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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stealth on August 15, 2010, 04:32:02 AM
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Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.
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here we go again... at least this one has an interesting twist
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it kinda makes sense that a ports ships that are at dock help defend the port..... unless they're mercs
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Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.
I thought you were leaving?
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I thought you were leaving?
A break very long long break. Starting the 21st.
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A break very long long break. Starting the 21st.
Right.
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Since we have subs in the port docked that don't move. How about the subs protect a port with in the ports radar only and have the Carriers spawn a little farther away from the port. Mostly because bombers come in low and kill the carriers before they can move 1 mile. Basically have carriers spawn a little more far away and stay hidden better. Have Subs just below the water that only can stay with in the radar zone of the port and of course be able to surface and fire there little guns. The Sub will visible by having a dot on it visible to enemy radar or a huge scope sticking out of the water. Have them about as easy to sink as a destroyer. A destroyers about as big the sub in the game. The sub doesn't have as many guns though but its under water a little bit so it makes up for it. In doing so the port has it carriers more hidden and safe and the port is protected by subs.
The weapon a submarine would have a chance against one of the fleet ships are the torpedoes, a submarine's deck gun isn't going to sink a destroyer or any other fleet ship before it sinks you.
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The weapon a submarine would have a chance against one of the fleet ships are the torpedoes, a submarine's deck gun isn't going to sink a destroyer or any other fleet ship before it sinks you.
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Could kill LVT or PT boats. In U-571 they disabled the radar. Could do the same with killing a large gun on the ship or try edleast.
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Could kill LVT or PT boats. In U-571 they disabled the radar. Could do the same with killing a large gun on the ship or try edleast.
PT Boat would probably kill a sub before it can kill the boat. A PT boat is far more heavily armed and protected than a submarine, so basically you want a submarine that would only be effective for defending against LVTs while in the water.
I'm not even going to comment on you bringing up U-571 other than to laugh at you for using that movie as a source reference. Well, I will point out one thing...the ship the U-571 used its deck gun on was a sub tender and it hit the radio room in a wonderful pyrotechnic display of "Hollywood" realism.
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U-boats that are unrelated to rank would not survive any longer than a CV parked right off the coast.
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PT Boat would probably kill a sub before it can kill the boat. A PT boat is far more heavily armed and protected than a submarine, so basically you want a submarine that would only be effective for defending against LVTs while in the water.
Put your waders on gents. Mahogany is now stronger than almost an inch of plate steel.
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Put your waders on gents. Mahogany is now stronger than almost an inch of plate steel.
I'd enjoy watching a Submarine attempting to torpedo a PT Boat. Wait, maybe the one deck gun (even the AA guns). Not to mention when a PT boat can and would trun circles around a cumbersome Type VII (or equivalent).
PT-109 (Elco) stayed afloat for 12 hours after forward half was cut in half by a destroyer.
PT-323 (Elco) was cut in half by a kamikaze aircraft on December 10, 1944 off Leyte, yet remained floating for several hours.
PT-305 (Higgins 78-foot), which had the stern blown off by a German mine in the Mediterranean and yet returned to base for repairs.
PT-171 (Elco) was holed through the bow off New Georgia on August 10, 1943, by an unexploded torpedo which failed to detonate yet remained in action and was repaired the next day.
The double mahogany hulls were stronger than you give them credit for. You wanna talk about crappy hulls, look no further than the Liberty Ships. At least they caught it after many broke in half for no reason than "embrittlement".
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I'd enjoy watching a Submarine attempting to torpedo a PT Boat. Wait, maybe the one deck gun (even the AA guns). Not to mention when a PT boat can and would trun circles around a cumbersome Type VII (or equivalent).
PT-109 (Elco) stayed afloat for 12 hours after forward half was cut in half by a destroyer.
It was cut in half, wood floats.
PT-323 (Elco) was cut in half by a kamikaze aircraft on December 10, 1944 off Leyte, yet remained floating for several hours.
It was cut in half, wood floats.
PT-305 (Higgins 78-foot), which had the stern blown off by a German mine in the Mediterranean and yet returned to base for repairs.
Same thing here, wood floats.
PT-171 (Elco) was holed through the bow off New Georgia on August 10, 1943, by an unexploded torpedo which failed to detonate yet remained in action and was repaired the next day.
Big hole in wood.
The double mahogany hulls were stronger than you give them credit for.
They broke in half. You wanna talk about crappy hulls, look no further than the Liberty Ships. At least they caught it after many broke in half for no reason than "embrittlement".
Nothing to do with this argument.
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It was cut in half, wood floats. It was cut in half, wood floats.Same thing here, wood floats.Big hole in wood.They broke in half.Nothing to do with this argument.
Thank you for reinforcing my point. PT Boats would sink more Subs, than vice versa.
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What it comes down to is firepower, not hull material.
Sub has a single 3 or 4" gun, most likely with a dual mount 20mm aft for AA. The AA guns have limited traverse and except to the rear probably can not depress down to engage a PT boat.
PT boat has a 37mm in the front that firing HE CAN penitrate the hull of the sub.
And a 40mm in the rear that can also do the job.
Add to that the fact that it has 2 dual .50's and a 20mm which can engage the subs deck crew.
Probable scenario goes something like this.
Sub fires deck gun, pt swerves, shot misses.
PT fires all forward guns, kills half the subs deck gun crew, increasing reload time.
Sub fires deck gun again, close on line but either long or short (hard to judge PT's speed, and its moving fast!)
PT continues to pour fire into sub's deck gun, disabling the gun, killing the crew.
Turns to the side so the rear gun can bear and starts pounding at the waterline.
PT parks 100 yards off the subs side and continues to blow holes in it until it sinks.
Pt goes home for barbecue and beer.
The PT boat is 4 times faster, nimble, and hard to hit.
The sub is 4 times bigger, slow, turns slow, and just needs 1 very small hole in its pressure hull, and it can no longer dive.
Once it can no longer dive, its easy meet for air attack. Which if the PT can't sink it on its own they would do.
Last sub fires a Torp at the PT, which is very unlikely to get a hit the pt boat.
Be it through manuver, not enough metal to set off the magnetic detonator, or is not able to run shallow enough to physically hit the PT boat.
PT fires a torp at the sub, which hits it and breaks it in half.
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Good run down Ghosth. PT Boats had two to eight Depth Charges as well.
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Thank you for reinforcing my point. PT Boats would sink more Subs, than vice versa.
I take it you fellas have never set foot on a submarine. I see alot of wiki cut-n-paste. This whole thread is pretty much fruitless. A submarine would know of any surface ship long before the surface ship knew where the submarine was. Using it in the manner of the OP puts it out of its element and pretty much turns this thread into useless argument debating the hypotheticals.
If a spitty can make quick work of a pt in a strafing run I the a 40mm bofors would have no problem.
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I take it you fellas have never set foot on a submarine. I see alot of wiki cut-n-paste. This whole thread is pretty much fruitless. A submarine would know of any surface ship long before the surface ship knew where the submarine was. Using it in the manner of the OP puts it out of its element and pretty much turns this thread into useless argument debating the hypotheticals.
If a spitty can make quick work of a pt in a strafing run I the a 40mm bofors would have no problem.
Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors. <shrugs>. I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.
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Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors. <shrugs>. I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.
What sub did you board?
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Type 7's (common German U Boat) didn't have a 40mm bofors. <shrugs>. I've been on a few Subs, but WWII subs didn't have the capability of today.
Not to mention that WW2 subs made for terrible surface gun platforms. They sat too low in the water and would pitch and roll with the seas making aiming rather difficult.
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Not to mention that WW2 subs made for terrible surface gun platforms. They sat too low in the water and would pitch and roll with the seas making aiming rather difficult.
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As compared to what? A pt boat? lol..now that is funny.
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As compared to what? A pt boat? lol..now that is funny.
Yes, compared to a PT boat or any other combat surface vessel.
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Yes, compared to a PT boat or any other combat surface vessel.
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Jesus ack ack, pt boats only draw like 5 or 6 feet of draft, that thing would be like a damn cork bobbin around. The last time I sat a maneuvering watch in the sail of a submarine it was sea state 2, didnt even flinch. And the boat I was on wasnt designed to run on the surface, unlike a ww2 submarine. I have also been on planer type vessels on the open seas and ill tell you what, I'll take the sub ride over the kidney jarring blood pissin ride of a planer hull any day. But dont take the opinion of somebody whos been there, done that. Im doubting your argument as to a pt boat being higher in the water than a submarine also. As far as a gun being to low to the water, the most stable place on a vessel is at the water line. Go climb a tree in a windstorm once, Tell me if its more stable up with the birds or down by the trunk.
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Jam they're right on this one. Might happen in the future from what I've read / heard but it's not an immediate need to the game. Nice to have? sure and maybe, someday. IMO pointless to argue about it.
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What sub did you board?
For starters and in direct relation to this thread:
http://glnmmorg000.web151.discountasp.net/apps/dnn/mydnn/Attractions/USSSilversides/tabid/60/Default.aspx (http://glnmmorg000.web151.discountasp.net/apps/dnn/mydnn/Attractions/USSSilversides/tabid/60/Default.aspx)
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http://www.usscod.org/ (http://www.usscod.org/)
Anything else?
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A PT boat is weak and can get killed by one staff from a plane. It is heavily armed I say its a good match. A sub can carry more torpedoes though. Who would waste there time on a PT boat when they can be firing torpedoes at Carriers. LVTs would die easily. A sub would kill the destroyers before they can do anything. Since the destroyers in this game can't launch depth charges or torpedoes. Then air support could kill the heavy cruiser. From there both forces would kill the carrier and the PT boats. Sure a sub wouldn't work in some cases. It's all about strategy. Unless you don't have that and you go in guns blazing and first shot fired by the enemy goes in the middle of the sub. Then that wouldn't work. If everybody did that though none of us would land kills though. Bring in the sub I say. Whatever floats your boat.
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A PT boat is weak and can get killed by one staff from a plane. It is heavily armed I say its a good match. A sub can carry more torpedoes though. Who would waste there time on a PT boat when they can be firing torpedoes at Carriers. LVTs would die easily. A sub would kill the destroyers before they can do anything. Since the destroyers in this game can't launch depth charges or torpedoes. Then air support could kill the heavy cruiser. From there both forces would kill the carrier and the PT boats. Sure a sub wouldn't work in some cases. It's all about strategy. Unless you don't have that and you go in guns blazing and first shot fired by the enemy goes in the middle of the sub. Then that wouldn't work. If everybody did that though none of us would land kills though. Bring in the sub I say. Whatever floats your boat.
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A Sub vs a single destroyer could go either way, all depended on the firing angle and if the destroyers were alerted or not.
A sub vs 2 destroyers was dead, just a question of time. Because one destroyer could lay off to the side, pinging it with sonar, and tell the other destroyer when to drop depth charges.
Subs generally had one chance to take out a destroyer, and after that would have to dive deep and try to evade.
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That's all great and stuff but we don't got sonar next best thing is radar which if we add it to the game it might so up on it. We don't got depth charges eather. I wish we did though.
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The only way we should get subs is by getting shipping convoys with DDEs to kill... if we dont then these DDs in the CV groups could possibly detach from the CV and kill the Sub before the CV is downed... beyond that i have a good feeling HTC would incorporate sonar warning systems into the CV groups automatically like they do with the 12 mile air raid sirens.
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that is still alot of water to cover. maybe have it like a field gun that you can move but say only 10-15 nm from base. also have the sub siren on the cv different than the air raid siren