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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nemisis on August 16, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
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You guessed it, more GV's.
I want the T48 57mm GMC, which was an M3 with a 57mm (6lber) AT gun mounted on top. Carried 99 rounds.
The M3A1 75mm GMC, an M3 with the M3 75mm tank gun (M4A3(75)'s main cannon) mounted on top. 59 rounds carried.
SdKfz 251/22, an SdKfz 251 with a Pak 40 mounted on top.
These would introduce fast, lightly armored tank destroyers into the game. The T-48 would the the perfect hit and run tank destroyer, where as the M3A1 would be more of a town killer or self propelled artillery piece.
The Pak 40 would be interesting since it can neither run from something like a T-34 or slug things out in open combat. I imagine it would require more finesse to use.
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You guessed it, more GV's.
I want the T48 57mm GMC, which was an M3 with a 57mm (6lber) AT gun mounted on top. Carried 99 rounds.
The M3A1 75mm GMC, an M3 with the M3 75mm tank gun (M4A3(75)'s main cannon) mounted on top. 59 rounds carried.
SdKfz 251/22, an SdKfz 251 with a Pak 40 mounted on top.
These would introduce fast, lightly armored tank destroyers into the game. The T-48 would the the perfect hit and run tank destroyer, where as the M3A1 would be more of a town killer or self propelled artillery piece.
The Pak 40 would be interesting since it can neither run from something like a T-34 or slug things out in open combat. I imagine it would require more finesse to use.
I have a sneaking suspicion we are going to see M18 in large font here soon.........
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I have a sneaking suspicion we are going to see M18 in large font here soon.........
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
DO NOT SPEAK OF IT!!!!
may BAR have mercy on your soul......... :t
i do think that these gun trucks would add an interesting twist to the game, but i just can't see where they could be usefull
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Waiting on Semp to wish for the kitchen sink...
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Waiting on Semp to wish for the kitchen sink...
:rofl
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Why u planing to do dishes?.
Semp
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Wildcat, the M3A1 would likely be used as a fast town killer or self propelled artillery piece as I said. Imagine getting 59 of the sherman's HE rounds to a town as fast as an M3 can get there.
The SdKfz 251/22 would likely be used as a multi purpose vehicle. It won't be as effective at killing a town as the M3A1, but you have at least some capability to defend yourself. I imagine this being a poor mans T-34, in the sense that it is fast, but isn't really suited to dealing with heavy tanks.
The T48 would likely be used as nothing more than a tank destroyer. I can easily see this being used as an ambush weapon where it would kill a tank or two, and then motor away. It may also be used as a camper since it is small, hard to spot, and is capable killing any tank in the game. It could penetrate 90mm of armor at 1800yds when using APDS (armor percing discarding sabot) rounds. I don't know the ROF, but one would think it would be fairly high given the small size and weight of the shells.
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How much you want to bet that Nemisis is on Hitech's "ignore" list due to the "spamming" of ground vehicles on the wish list? :noid
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How much you want to bet that Nemisis is on Hitech's "ignore" list due to the "spamming" of ground vehicles on the wish list? :noid
We can only wish.
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+1 That would be fun to use... top speed of 45MPH Beats the T34 @ 33 MPH. I could see someone getting in and killing and then running away..
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Also wouldn't mind seeing this, firing M51 APC rounds of course.:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dodge_wc55_m6_37_mm_GMC.jpg)
Dodge WC55 mounting an M3 37mm.
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Also wouldn't mind seeing this, firing M51 APC rounds of course.:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dodge_wc55_m6_37_mm_GMC.jpg)
Dodge WC55 mounting an M3 37mm.
Why? It was a POS and ineffective against any German armor and around '43 was given limited standard classification and declared obsolete by the war's end. It would be useless in AH.
ack-ack
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because it would be fun to drive around in, popping panzers. Not going to see it any time soon if ever but it would be fun to have.
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+1 That would be fun to use... top speed of 45MPH Beats the T34 @ 33 MPH. I could see someone getting in and killing and then running away..
we have enough vultures in the sky, we don't need to feed them in their cartoon GV's. :huh :furious
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I have a sneaking suspicion we are going to see M18 in large font here soon.........
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
DO NOT SPEAK OF IT!!!!
may BAR have mercy on your soul......... :t
i do think that these gun trucks would add an interesting twist to the game, but i just can't see where they could be usefull
Big pictures speak louder than words :D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/M18_hellcat_side.jpg)
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because it would be fun to drive around in, popping panzers. Not going to see it any time soon if ever but it would be fun to have.
You're not going to pop a panzer or any other tank in this game in a Dodge WC55. A jeep would be able to kill you, that's how much of a POS the Dodge WC55 was.
ack-ack
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So you're saying that dispite the fact that the Dodge WC55 can out run a panzer, there is no chance that you can get in behind them, kill them with a few shots, and then scoot before his buddies figure out where the shots came from and kill you? I'm not sure I buy that.
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So you're saying that dispite the fact that the Dodge WC55 can out run a panzer, there is no chance that you can get in behind them, kill them with a few shots, and then scoot before his buddies figure out where the shots came from and kill you? I'm not sure I buy that.
Do you know anything about the Dodge WC55 or as it is more commonly known, the M6 Fargo?
First off, the Fargo could not fire on the move and the 37mm was mounted facing to the rear and had to be shot that way as it could not be fully depressed when facing forward. It had no armor and despite what you think, the 37mm Gun M3 was ineffective against German armor of the time. Most of the Fargos that were used in the Tunisian Campaign had the 37mm gun removed and reverted to being used as a cargo truck. In addition, those Fargos that did keep their guns in the Tunisian Campaign were pretty much slaughtered when they ran into the more heavily armed and gunned German tanks at Kasserine Pass.
By 1943, the Fargo was being removed from service because it was ineffective and by 1945 was declared obsolete. The only reason why there were so many produced had nothing to do with how effective it was, it was due to the fact that it only cost around $4,000 to build.
Your little scenario wouldn't play out since the Fargo couldn't fire on the move and had to be parked with its bellybutton pointing towards the tank. Hell, a tank crewman would be able to take you out with a pintle gun.
ack-ack
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There isn't any GV that you can reliably score hits in while moving, so your point is moot. Second, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to use this thing in open combat. Scoot around the flanks, kill one of them, and then motor away till they've forgoten about you.
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There isn't any GV that you can reliably score hits in while moving, so your point is moot.
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You're incorrect about not any GV not being reliable in shooting on the move. Just look at any modern tank, all of them have gyrostabilized main guns that allow them to shoot accurately on the move. If you don't believe so, just read about that how a US armored company wiped out an Iraqi tank battalion at the Battle of 73 Hastings.
The Sherman and Pershing both had gyrostabilized main guns that allowed them to fire on the move and yes, score hits. There is a paragraph in Cooper's "Death Traps" that talks about an armored task force that came under fire from a German road block in the woods consisting of some German tanks. The US task force had the only Super Pershing in the ETO that was near the front of the column and while on the move, swung its turret to the woods and fired two rounds in quick succession. Cooper, who was in the middle of that column saw to fireballs in the treeline indicating that the Super Pershing had scored two hits on two German vehicles.
So my point isn't moot.
Second, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to use this thing in open combat.
Way to go and insult the World War II veteran Fargo crews that fought in this vehicle in North Africa out in the open against German tanks.
Scoot around the flanks, kill one of them, and then motor away till they've forgoten about you.
Yeah, you're gonna out flank them and get behind them and then have to back up in reverse so you can get point the 37mm that's in the cargo bed at the German tank. Remember, you can't fire the 37mm gun forward, the blast would literally destroy the cab of the truck from the blast concussion in addition to the windshield also blocking you from being able to fully depress the gun while facing foward.
As a tank destroyer the Fargo was a piece of crap and completely and totally ineffective against German armor, there is nothing that you can present that shows otherwise.
ack-ack
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There isn't any GV that you can reliably score hits in while moving, so your point is moot. Second, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to use this thing in open combat. Scoot around the flanks, kill one of them, and then motor away till they've forgoten about you.
I make kills regularly and consistently on the move in at least 3 tanks in the game. The T-34/85(My favorite smooth rider), the M-4 Sherm, and even the panzer on flat terrain. With the panzer you simply time the rhythmic up & down swing of the gun and it ain't much worse than shooting quail, Chucker Partridge, or Huns. It surprises heck outa them when they're so carefully planning their shot and the blow up first. Today I killed a tiger with a one shot smoke/turret, and a follow up to finish him w/o stopping in a T-34/85. :banana: :neener:
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Dam, i was hoping that this would be another B-29 thread.
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Dam, i was hoping that this would be another B-29 thread.
It would be step above than wishing for the M6 Fargo.
ack-ack
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There isn't any GV that you can reliably score hits in while moving, so your point is moot. Second, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to use this thing in open combat. Scoot around the flanks, kill one of them, and then motor away till they've forgoten about you.
I have to disagree with you on that one Nemisis. Most of the kills I make in the T3485 are while I am moving. The speed and fast turret make it ideal for booming and zooming on the move..
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nem... ive hit countless GVs in the game while on the move. the only GV i have a problem doing this with is the stupid tiger. And that was basically a heavily armored mobile gun platform :lol waitttt....all of them are :rolleyes:
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Gosh I love this place; didn't know there WAS such a thing until this thread. All the information I can find tells me it's the WWII armor equivalent of a Yugo.
I saw where it could (also) carry HE. We could always park it in the middle of a de-acked town and plink at buildings.
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There isn't any GV that you can reliably score hits in while moving, so your point is moot. Second, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to use this thing in open combat. Scoot around the flanks, kill one of them, and then motor away till they've forgoten about you.
You must be a masochist.
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I have to disagree with you on that one Nemisis. Most of the kills I make in the T3485 are while I am moving. The speed and fast turret make it ideal for booming and zooming on the move..
Zzzzactly! :banana:
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I've never been able to reliably hit a moving target while moving at more than, say, 800yds. If the panzer were a bit larger, I could do it, but I'm always just a bit off.
And Ack-Ack, I know we're not going to get the M6 any time soon, if ever (said it twice now actually).
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I've never been able to reliably hit a moving target while moving at more than, say, 800yds. If the panzer were a bit larger, I could do it, but I'm always just a bit off.
They wont make the tanks bigger because you suck.
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nem... ive hit countless GVs in the game while on the move. the only GV i have a problem doing this with is the stupid tiger. And that was basically a heavily armored mobile gun platform :lol waitttt....all of them are :rolleyes:
Sometimes I wonder why people think the tiger is so great. I seen a guy take one into town the other day to defend. I sneaked up behind him with my T3485 and blew him away while he was still trying to turn that slow turret around on me.. They are great at defending v-bases at long range... Just dont bring one to town. There are too many directions for other to sneak up on them and kill them before they can turn that slow turret around..
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Just dont bring one to town. There are too many directions for other to sneak up on them and kill them before they can turn that slow turret around..
Last time I jumped into a Tiger about 5 months ago in the MW arena, I used it to defend our town that was being attacked by the Knights. I parked my tank on the corner of the town facing the most likely approach from the spawn point and just sat there with my engine off listening for approaching enemy GVs. By the time I towered out of my tank because the attack was over, I had 10 or 12 kills. The only time any of the enemy GVs got behind me was an M8 that was going to fast for to hit while he was moving but he only lasted until the time it took me to move my turret rearward and kill him.
ack-ack
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I'm actually a pretty good GV'er stokes, just can't hit a target moving while I'm moving as well. Actually, thats not entirely true; I can do it on a somewhat regular basis when there is little deflection.
Suprised no one caught on to the fact that you were in a good spot and needed to be flanked. That or get Dr7 and his magic firefly to up.
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LMAO.
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Last time I jumped into a Tiger about 5 months ago in the MW arena, I used it to defend our town that was being attacked by the Knights. I parked my tank on the corner of the town facing the most likely approach from the spawn point and just sat there with my engine off listening for approaching enemy GVs. By the time I towered out of my tank because the attack was over, I had 10 or 12 kills. The only time any of the enemy GVs got behind me was an M8 that was going to fast for to hit while he was moving but he only lasted until the time it took me to move my turret rearward and kill him.
ack-ack
That the only way I prefer a Tiger or will spend the perks is if I have a good hiding spot between the spawn and their goal, be it town or base. It's GREAT for those long kill shots without a bunch of bomb****s hanging overhead wanting to brag up killing a tiger, yes I've done it too.... :old:
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I'm actually a pretty good GV'er stokes, just can't hit a target moving while I'm moving as well. Actually, thats not entirely true; I can do it on a somewhat regular basis when there is little deflection.
Suprised no one caught on to the fact that you were in a good spot and needed to be flanked. That or get Dr7 and his magic firefly to up.
Your right, I understand, I suck in a P38...well thats not intirley true. I can hit a moving target from D1000 and rip your plane apart before you even see me.
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Lol strokes, are you still pissed that you got hoed when BnZing people you said should climb up to fight you?
Clearly a high deflection shot is more difficult than a low deflection shot. I can't make high deflection shots in a fighter, but I manage to land hits in a low deflection shot; the same is true in a tank. Tanks don't have a stream of shells they can guide onto their target, so it would be easier for a fighter in that sense.
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Sometimes I wonder why people think the tiger is so great. I seen a guy take one into town the other day to defend. I sneaked up behind him with my T3485 and blew him away while he was still trying to turn that slow turret around on me.. They are great at defending v-bases at long range... Just dont bring one to town. There are too many directions for other to sneak up on them and kill them before they can turn that slow turret around..
The Tiger is an amazing tank when used properly. Where the other tanks tend to shine in up close battles and skirmish warfare, the Tiger is an artillery piece. The sheer mass of the shell it fires means that it can lob a much harder punch than any other tank when out at "falloff" ranges (where the shell has basically entered freefall). The armor is thick but not sloped, therefor it deals with long range "blunt impact" shots better than close range punching shots where something like a T-34 can use the round's kinetic energy to glance it off.
If you can use the graduated marks to range your targets in a Tiger, you're generally too close.
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Your right, I understand, I suck in a P38...well thats not intirley true. I can hit a moving target from D1000 and rip your plane apart before you even see me.
thats why we need the P-38K :D
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Lol strokes, are you still pissed that you got hoed when BnZing people you said should climb up to fight you?
Clearly a high deflection shot is more difficult than a low deflection shot. I can't make high deflection shots in a fighter, but I manage to land hits in a low deflection shot; the same is true in a tank. Tanks don't have a stream of shells they can guide onto their target, so it would be easier for a fighter in that sense.
I know im waaay over that, it hapens 10 times everyday.
The question is, are you over it?
thats why we need the P-38K :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Sometimes I wonder why people think the tiger is so great. I seen a guy take one into town the other day to defend. I sneaked up behind him with my T3485 and blew him away while he was still trying to turn that slow turret around on me.. They are great at defending v-bases at long range... Just dont bring one to town. There are too many directions for other to sneak up on them and kill them before they can turn that slow turret around..
The tiger is my ride. I love the baby to death... in fact, rarely do i ever get killed by a GV while driving one. its usually a dumb P47 or A20 getting the kill on me.
The Tiger is an amazing tank when used properly. Where the other tanks tend to shine in up close battles and skirmish warfare, the Tiger is an artillery piece. The sheer mass of the shell it fires means that it can lob a much harder punch than any other tank when out at "falloff" ranges (where the shell has basically entered freefall). The armor is thick but not sloped, therefor it deals with long range "blunt impact" shots better than close range punching shots where something like a T-34 can use the round's kinetic energy to glance it off.
If you can use the graduated marks to range your targets in a Tiger, you're generally too close.
as long as you are outside of the 16 mark in distance the only thing you really have to worry about is the firefly but you need you have frontal armor to the enemy, the 16 mark is really the safe point. even then, some GVs like the T34/76, M4/75, PnzrIV have to get closer than that to kill in the front.
proud to say that this tour i have a 37:2 one being a pnzr's kill on me. tour 126; 17:2 with one death from a 34/85. tour 125; 21:2 with both deaths being aircraft :D you wanna know how to use a tiger? you found your source :P
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The tiger is my ride. I love the baby to death... in fact, rarely do i ever get killed by a GV while driving one. its usually a dumb P47 or A20 getting the kill on me.as long as you are outside of the 16 mark in distance the only thing you really have to worry about is the firefly but you need you have frontal armor to the enemy, the 16 mark is really the safe point. even then, some GVs like the T34/76, M4/75, PnzrIV have to get closer than that to kill in the front.
proud to say that this tour i have a 37:2 one being a pnzr's kill on me. tour 126; 17:2 with one death from a 34/85. tour 125; 21:2 with both deaths being aircraft :D you wanna know how to use a tiger? you found your source :P
I fully agree with your comments 321Bar. I think the new town layout isnt good for the tiger. Once your in the town, too many different directions for them to come at you.. My last few tigers kills were of tigers in a town. You are also correct when you said that facing the enemy is the way to go.. A frontal shot on a Tiger is like using a BB gun.. I go for the rear and sides up close while I am still moving, and he cant turn that turret that fast...Flank around the tiger always...
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The Tiger is a world beater at long range. As OOZ said, while some GV's are better for close range and skirmish comabt, the tiger is more of a stand off weapon. Sit back at 2500yds, and pick of the few that are dumb enough to hold still and return fire.
And BAR, the M4(74) isn't really a good example of a tank that needs to get closer, since no frontal shot is possible.