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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: groundfeeder on August 24, 2010, 09:54:01 AM
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Has anyone noticed people leaving the game at a fairly good rate?
I have seen members of squads leave the game after many years of play, most of them say the same thing...."The game has become to arcade".
Last night i logged on to the orange arena,giant furball. Blue arena same thing, with the added caveat of a lovely field of overlapping dar on both arenas, the pizza map is ridiculous with the new settings. I looked for a few squaddies, and only 3 where on. I cant tell you the last time i saw that few in the game!!!!
Post after post seems to be about people quiting the game, or at least quitting for awhile. If the numbers are up for htc it is because of the death of another flight Sim. I dint think that trend will continue. I myself find that i am logging on less and less,cant stand the gameplay anymore.
Do i furball occasionally, yes, but some nights i enjoy just lifting in a heavy jug, sneaking into enemy territory and porking a base deep behind the lines. Why you ask? kinnda peacefull flying low and hitting the base behind their lines, and giving the "what the he!! is going on there experience. :airplane: Oh yeah cant do that anymore!
I do think that the game has gone downhill in a big way,and as i see in the forums so do a growing proportion of others. I miss the game having a purpose, I miss flying with my squad, I miss a feeling of having accomplished something. I don't give a crap about the score i have, or the rank in a cartoon world, I played the game because i enjoyed it, and lately i just don't seem to feel the same, feels like work.
Whatever the reason for taking the fun out of the game I really don't care anymore. I have posted,as others have, my displeasure for the changes, and HTC could give a sh!#
To all that I have fought with and against :salute A bunch of great people in here and i will miss all (even bish) of you :cry I have enjoyed the camaraderie and have had a great time with all. but it may be time after 3 years to move on.
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posts like this number in the dozens and have been around since the year 2000. you aren't seeing anything unusual. you are seeing much needed turnover, like the tilling of a farmers field. Take the left over waste from the previous year and work it under the soil to feed next years crop.
lol Nice try though? Fertilizer?
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Has anyone noticed people leaving the game at a fairly good rate?
People come and people go... I guarantee you that overall numbers are up in Aces High since Fighter Ace closed its doors.
There has been some changes to effect base taking game-play but overall the game itself hasn't changed.
Then again, I'm a scenario war criminal and I'm not to be trusted. :devil
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Actually, our squad has probably doubled almost in the last couple of months so I agree with Yeager that it is normal attrition. What I can't figure out is how a computer game can be considered anything but arcade. Most of the whiners want a real simulator where the adversary is going to react only in the guidelines of what they consider to be appropriate responses. Most complain about the HO's and the vulching, but when you get down to it, most of the aviation history you read was HO's and vulching. If this game was a real simulation, alot of people wouldn't be flying as there are far more controls which need to be done to maintain flight then what this game requires. Guess what, real life is unscripted and it is unknown how anyone is going to react to a given situation. that is what I like about this game, as it is unscripted, and you do not know what the other guy is going to do. :salute
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Have fun in WW2OL as it's the only MMO flight sim that is even close to this one in terms of realism (I suppose there is Warbirds :rofl) Have fun with the 3 fighter planes per side you get to choose from (oh there are more than 3 with the variants but it's basically 3 per side.) Have fun with the crappy flight and damage models. Have fun with with the laughable takeoffs and landings where cartwheeling across an airfield and landing upside down will still get you a successful RTB. But hey, it is easier to bounce people in there (well unless they have bionic ears, you'll find out about that) and that's all that matters right? Oh, I should also mention that you can't sneak attack any towns because in order to capture them they have to have an attack order placed on them by the high command so the other side will definitely know you're coming.
All you guys that are :( over the changes to this game need to realize that most people have busy lives and family commitments that limits their flying time. They don't want to log in and spend 20 out of the 30 minutes they have allotted trying to figure out where to lift from and then the remaining 10 flying into combat because they have just used up their 30 minutes and haven't even fired their guns yet. I do think there is a point where they can overdo it with making the fights too fast and furious but they haven't reached that point IMO. It's about right where it's at. You can find good fights in a reasonable amount of time and they don't always have to be a furball.
Have fun with whatever you decide to do because that's what it's all about. If it's not fun for you then it's time to move on. Don't blame the game though, it's very fun if you allow yourself to enjoy it.
Most complain about the HO's and the vulching, but when you get down to it, most of the aviation history you read was HO's and vulching.
So true. From The First and the Last by Adolf Galland:
We feared for every ME-262 taxied out for the take-off. A flight of piston-engined fighter planes that had the job of covering the take-off and the landing of the ME-262s was already involved in heavy dogfights. A large number of light flak guns posted all around the field were barking away furiously. Mustangs and Thunderbolts did not manage to prevent the take-ff of the jet fighters, but it was critical and exciting.
The real war was not fair. To paraphrase another aviation quote, 'If it's a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly.'
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Same thing every year. The kids go back to school and suddenly the sky is falling. Don't worry. They'll be back again at Christmas, Easter and when school lets out next June. Yee ha, squeaker season is over.
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to me the game has become exactly that...scripted... HTC has taken away a HUGE chunk of what the game used to be. I can tell on any given night almost to a note exactly what you will see in the game. Hordes, furballs abound, I used to love busting up an noe raid and doing an occasional noe myself. if 4 going on 5 years,i just checked, is not a year to year thing.
The numbers as i have said may be up due to the failure of warbirds but how long do you think that will last?
What ever the case IMO the game has lost something....and no WWII is not close to the flight model of AH....tried it once.
I do love AH and used to look forward to play, just not so much anymore. I can,t stand the 40 on 40 furballs it is boring.
The game has become uber arcade, and if you don't think so look around, a bunch if us do.
As far as this kind of post, you usually see it pop up after a big update, and then dwindle off. I don't see that happening here.
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Same thing every year. The kids go back to school and suddenly the sky is falling. Don't worry. They'll be back again at Christmas, Easter and when school lets out next June. Yee ha, squeaker season is over.
Far from squeaker....and havent seen much of those on either....nothing compare to years past.
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I thought the only constant was change.
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I'm reading these threads and I'm drawing the same conclusion either man up and learn to fly and fight properly with good ACM and teamwork or go elsewhere.
The problem was/still is people who do nothing else but troll the map looking for easy captures and the least amount of resistance so they can have a nice big group hug and pats on backs for a horde job well done.
Until we break the chess piece spirit and the horde mentality then these threads will keep popping up. The game isn't about just furball or capture it is a fine blend of both and If you can't appreciate both gameplay aspects then you will find yourself struggling to enjoy it.
If you suck in a fighter go and ask someone for help.
Oh and I saw sirnuke flying this morning! I will be expecting some nasty downright dirty Spit 9 fights! :cheers:
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I thought the only constant was change.
You got it! :aok
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I'm reading these threads and I'm drawing the same conclusion either man up and learn to fly and fight properly with good ACM and teamwork or go elsewhere.
The problem was/still is people who do nothing else but troll the map looking for easy captures and the least amount of resistance so they can have a nice big group hug and pats on backs for a horde job well done.
Until we break the chess piece spirit and the horde mentality then these threads will keep popping up. The game isn't about just furball or capture it is a fine blend of both and If you can't appreciate both gameplay aspects then you will find yourself struggling to enjoy it.
If you suck in a fighter go and ask someone for help.
Oh and I saw sirnuke flying this morning! I will be expecting some nasty downright dirty Spit 9 fights! :cheers:
How dare you say these things! These poor souls want an Easy Button because effort is hard. :cry
Not much else to really say on that.
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The problem was/still is people who do nothing else but troll the map looking for easy captures and the least amount of resistance so they can have a nice big group hug and pats on backs for a horde job well done.
The problem? :rofl
Some people LIKE doing that, whats the problem??
Some guys like flying around looking for easy kills with the least amount of resistance,whats the problem?
I think the "problem" is people who say that the way other people play is a problem.
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since we are spilling our guts out here please allow me to do some spilling: The biggest change I have seen in this game over the last few years is the number of people playing because AH is a "massively multi-player Online game" versus the number of people playing because they already loved the subject, war aviation.
It used to be a sizable number of people played AH because they loved the subject as a part of their lives before they even knew this game existed. Today I sense way more people are here simply because of the MMO aspect of the game. Its just another opportunity to "spank" online and talk smack to other players like themselves. It has really cheapened the overall experience......
This is what I believe has impacted AH (negatively from my perspective) more than any arena setting.
Do not get me wrong, I still enjoy and love "the game" I just miss the quality of the interplay between opponents brought on by people who understood the game from a love of war aviation in general and WW2 aviation in particular.
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The problem? :rofl
Some people LIKE doing that, whats the problem??
Some guys like flying around looking for easy kills with the least amount of resistance,whats the problem?
I think the "problem" is people who say that the way other people play is a problem.
I don't think he was trying to say that it was a problem with the game but rather that is those people's problem/s. Apparently fighting with little to no resistance and bouncing unaware enemy cons used to be easier than it is now and some people are butthurt that it isn't easy anymore. That's my take on it being rather new and all.
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Nah, he was talking about people "trolling" the maps looking for easy captures with the least amount of resistance, which i find to be extremely hypocritical.
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why exactly are you unable to sneak into enemy territory? just because someone may see a dot? do you realize that the bases do not flash till you hit the old dar ring?
if so many are busy furballing, then you'd be safe to still do your sneak attack as long as you don't flash a base.
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since we are spilling our guts out here please allow me to do some spilling: The biggest change I have seen in this game over the last few years is the number of people playing because AH is a "massively multi-player Online game" versus the number of people playing because they already loved the subject, war aviation.
It used to be a sizable number of people played AH because they loved the subject as a part of their lives before they even knew this game existed. Today I sense way more people are here simply because of the MMO aspect of the game. Its just another opportunity to "spank" online and talk smack to other players like themselves. It has really cheapened the overall experience......
This is what I believe has impacted AH (negatively from my perspective) more than any arena setting.
Do not get me wrong, I still enjoy and love "the game" I just miss the quality of the interplay between opponents brought on by people who understood the game from a love of war aviation in general and WW2 aviation in particular.
on that note......as long as i can remember, i have found war planes to be the most beautiful machinery ever produced. especially the ww2 era. when i get up close to the aircraft at shows, i'm the geek climbing around underneath, looking at the hydraulic systems, the electrical systems......just seeing how beautifully they were engineered way back then is truly amazing.
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actually, the more disturbing trend, is those that fly a combat game, and then go out of their way to avoid combat. :rofl
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You can say you dislike certain parts of everything you do in life. This "game", for me, still provides a respite from: caring for a WW2 vet father with Alzheimer's who lives with me, relieves the stress of officiating college sports, and provides an escape from thinking about the job. As 'Mike115' said when he pm'ed me last night, paying $15/month is a heck of lot cheaper than paying for a nut doctor's therapy most of us need from real life.
ps. what Cap said above me! :aok
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why exactly are you unable to sneak into enemy territory? just because someone may see a dot? do you realize that the bases do not flash till you hit the old dar ring?
if so many are busy furballing, then you'd be safe to still do your sneak attack as long as you don't flash a base.
Did someone say you "couldn't" still sneak into enemy territory?
And you're right about people being too "busy" to bother to defend, in that respect nothing has changed.
Most guys never seemed to care enough to investigate flashing bases with no dots.
I did. It was one of my favorite things to do.
most times you would catch a few guys trying to sneak a base. And they would keep coming back, a few defenders could have a real good time for a while.
Now the chances are you will only encounter a horde trying to do the same thing.
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actually, the more disturbing trend, is those that fly a combat game, and then go out of their way to avoid combat. :rofl
Yup, I couldn't agree more, the vulchers,spawn campers, alt monkeys etc.
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Did someone say you "couldn't" still sneak into enemy territory?
And you're right about people being too "busy" to bother to defend, in that respect nothing has changed.
Most guys never seemed to care enough to investigate flashing bases with no dots.
I did. It was one of my favorite things to do.
most times you would catch a few guys trying to sneak a base. And they would keep coming back, a few defenders could have a real good time for a while.
Now the chances are you will only encounter a horde trying to do the same thing.
the OP kind of insinuated that he couldn't sneak into enemy territory anymore.
you're right too.....i've messed up some bases pretty bad with a panzer, because if it's flashing, and there's nothing shown in the air, most will ignore it. :devil
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Has anyone noticed people leaving the game at a fairly good rate?
Do you have anything to support this?
ack-ack
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I'm reading these threads and I'm drawing the same conclusion either man up and learn to fly and fight properly with good ACM and teamwork or go elsewhere.
The problem was/still is people who do nothing else but troll the map looking for easy captures and the least amount of resistance so they can have a nice big group hug and pats on backs for a horde job well done.
Until we break the chess piece spirit and the horde mentality then these threads will keep popping up. The game isn't about just furball or capture it is a fine blend of both and If you can't appreciate both gameplay aspects then you will find yourself struggling to enjoy it.
If you suck in a fighter go and ask someone for help.
Oh and I saw sirnuke flying this morning! I will be expecting some nasty downright dirty Spit 9 fights! :cheers:
:aok
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Yup, I couldn't agree more, the vulchers,spawn campers, alt monkeys etc.
i think everyone in here as done all of that which you mentioned, at least once.
the funny thing with the alt monkey types.......often, you can look at the roster(in mw) and by knowing who's on, you can kind of judge where you'll find em.
when i see someone i know normally flies high, i do the same. it's truly amazing how many will run, and climb as they do, rather than fight co-alt....even t 20k.
or the ones that drop from that high, make a single supersonic pass, and keep going(if they don't auger).
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I'm reading these threads and I'm drawing the same conclusion either man up and learn to fly and fight properly with good ACM and teamwork or go elsewhere.
The problem was/still is people who do nothing else but troll the map looking for easy captures and the least amount of resistance so they can have a nice big group hug and pats on backs for a horde job well done.
Until we break the chess piece spirit and the horde mentality then these threads will keep popping up. The game isn't about just furball or capture it is a fine blend of both and If you can't appreciate both gameplay aspects then you will find yourself struggling to enjoy it.
If you suck in a fighter go and ask someone for help.
Oh and I saw sirnuke flying this morning! I will be expecting some nasty downright dirty Spit 9 fights! :cheers:
Said with a little more tact that I would have used, Bruv hit the nail square on the head.
ack-ack
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the OP kind of insinuated that he couldn't sneak into enemy territory anymore.
you're right too.....i've messed up some bases pretty bad with a panzer, because if it's flashing, and there's nothing shown in the air, most will ignore it. :devil
It was kinda cool watching the map for noes.
On any particular night I would notice that no matter which base started flashing with no dots, you would see the same few guys upping to investigate/defend.
It was fun because the incoming cons were low, so it was a quick fight. And usually the same cons would keep coming back over and over.
You didn't have to waste time climbing to 15k+ to be on equal terms with the cons.
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It was kinda cool watching the map for noes.
On any particular night I would notice that no matter which base started flashing with no dots, you would see the same few guys upping to investigate/defend.
It was fun because the incoming cons were low, so it was a quick fight. And usually the same cons would keep coming back over and over.
You didn't have to waste time climbing to 15k+ to be on equal terms with the cons.
your last statement.......i've been finding myself doing that more and more, in mw lately. went into blue last night to fly with squaddies, and found a decent fight at around 10k, which was below some of the mountain tops.......but there were guys over 20k there too.
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The real war was not fair. To paraphrase another aviation quote, 'If it's a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly.'
You mean no ENY! My goodness how primitive.
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Said with a little more tact that I would have used, Bruv hit the nail square on the head.
ack-ack
What nail?
I still don't understand what the problem was.
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What nail?
I still don't understand what the problem was.
avoiding combat you said it yourself. With a little more practice and skill you guys (I refer to any overwhelming force NOE or not) may be able to fly to an enemy field and CAP it above radar.
Of course you can kill the radar and have exactly what you did before the changes. The reason you have your panties in a bunch is because the defenders now have half a chance of GIVING you combat!
Personally It doesn't bother me either way i'll adapt and get on with it instead of crying on the bbs. I find the slow dar updates extremely annoying but they give a more "realistic" aspect to long range radar so defenders can be lurking and not have it give their presence away if they stay out of the enemy circle.
I saw many Bish horde missions to "win the war" yesterday and had to swap to give them some action. They still reset the map regardless. You can't stop a steamroller and if they had fun doing it then that is fine also.
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well you just need to know when it's time to take a break.it's the same as needing to take a vacation from your job.i took 8 months off came back joined a squad that flys the plane i like .this crap doesn't piss me off any more i fly with great guys and it's fun again.oh and what chance's who cares :D
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those that want to roll undefended bases could always head to ew. :noid
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those that want to roll undefended bases could always head to ew. :noid
eaglehrt has been lapping up the MA action recently. He called me a cheat just the other day :devil
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avoiding combat you said it yourself. With a little more practice and skill you guys (I refer to any overwhelming force NOE or not) may be able to fly to an enemy field and CAP it above radar.
Of course you can kill the radar and have exactly what you did before the changes. The reason you have your panties in a bunch is because the defenders now have half a chance of GIVING you combat!
Personally It doesn't bother me either way i'll adapt and get on with it instead of crying on the bbs. I find the slow dar updates extremely annoying but they give a more "realistic" aspect to long range radar so defenders can be lurking and not have it give their presence away if they stay out of the enemy circle.
I saw many Bish horde missions to "win the war" yesterday and had to swap to give them some action. They still reset the map regardless. You can't stop a steamroller and if they had fun doing it then that is fine also.
My panties in a bunch!! :rofl
I WAS the defender!! What the hell are you talkin about?
And there are more guys avoiding combat in other ways than there EVER were guys "sneaking bases!!
Avoiding combat. Thats rich.
The thing I really don't understnad is why you would care what other guys are doing?
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those that want to roll undefended bases could always head to ew. :noid
OR, guys could defend them or stop whining about guys who do it.
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Sounds like the game outgrew you. It's the same game just more folks.
Sounds like your squad may be imploding too. Check around for one that fits your idea of what you want in the game.
Hope you get through your ordeal soon. <S>
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those that want to roll undefended bases could always head to ew. :noid
I'll switch sides to defend 'em...until they start attacking the third side and I'm stuck for another hour. Perhaps I'll try to talk HT into letting me (and only me :D) be able to switch sides as quickly and often as I need to so I can find fights. :aok
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OR, guys could defend them or stop whining about guys who do it.
i do join in the defense/ :aok
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I'll switch sides to defend 'em...until they start attacking the third side and I'm stuck for another hour. Perhaps I'll try to talk HT into letting me (and only me :D) be able to switch sides as quickly and often as I need to so I can find fights. :aok
:rofl
:aok
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The thing I really don't understnad is why you would care what other guys are doing?
I care what the enemy is doing because it influences every decision I make. What base to take off from? which country to fly for. Etc etc.
I believe HT made the dar changes to increase chances of combat. The people coming here and posting negatively are the ones that believe it is the end of AH for one or many different reasons. Either we are completely misunderstanding one another or i'm lost.
Dar changes = good, but could use a little tweaking
posting drama threads on BBS = normal i guess :rolleyes:
gameplay = whatever you enjoy doing but don't horde in a manner that is unacceptable for a GAME!
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I care what the enemy is doing because it influences every decision I make. What base to take off from? which country to fly for. Etc etc.
I believe HT made the dar changes to increase chances of combat. The people coming here and posting negatively are the ones that believe it is the end of AH for one or many different reasons. Either we are completely misunderstanding one another or i'm lost.
Dar changes = good, but could use a little tweaking
posting drama threads on BBS = normal i guess :rolleyes:
gameplay = whatever you enjoy doing but don't horde in a manner that is unacceptable for a GAME!
well...this IS s combat game, isn't it?
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eaglehrt has been lapping up the MA action recently. He called me a cheat just the other day :devil
Shoot down his boyfriend Pluto for some real laughs, he actually accused me of using a "check 6" hack that would cause him to blow up if I have him a check 6. :rofl
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well...this IS s combat game, isn't it?
combat game? i thought we were here to win the warz!!! :rock :rock
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I thought the only constant was change.
Actually, the only constant that matters in this ol' world these days is the almighty dollar & some-odd cents change. :rolleyes:
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Actually, the only constant that matters in this ol' world these days is the almighty dollar & some-odd cents change. :rolleyes:
Too broke from the change to have enough change for a buck. :furious
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You got it! :aok
Your animation in your signature reminded me of THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_G2zp-opg)
Here you go waystin.. I made a .gif just for you: (http://www.lca.ympsa.com/piggie.gif) (http://www.lca.ympsa.com/piggie.gif)
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Has anyone noticed people leaving the game at a fairly good rate?
If anything I feel I like notice more people here.
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My turn :lol
Just started flying again and I don't see any difference in the game from the last 2 or 3 (more?) years. Basically, the game has become too easy and predictable. If after being off for more than a year (with a few short comebacks) I can take a P40 up and torture multiple Spit16s, something is wrong with the game. Too predictable and too easy! Avoid HO, reverse, fire, rinse, repeat . . . . .
I think this started when they made every plane fly like a Spitfire (almost). That made it too easy for every one. It took the challenge away, and kept the players that would have otherwise left because of the learning curve (good business decision btw), in the game. This easy mode everything lead to the game we have today.
It used to be that if an F4U or 109 met a spitfire, the guys in the U or the 109 had better known what they were doing. You had an E vs Turning fight. Now, I can just turn fight a spit in a G6, a 110, a F4U, etc.
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My turn :lol
Just started flying again and I don't see any difference in the game from the last 2 or 3 (more?) years. Basically, the game has become too easy and predictable. If after being off for more than a year (with a few short comebacks) I can take a P40 up and torture multiple Spit16s, something is wrong with the game. Too predictable and too easy! Avoid HO, reverse, fire, rinse, repeat . . . . .
I think this started when they made every plane fly like a Spitfire (almost). That made it too easy for every one. It took the challenge away, and kept the players that would have otherwise left because of the learning curve (good business decision btw), in the game. This easy mode everything lead to the game we have today.
It used to be that if an F4U or 109 met a spitfire, the guys in the U or the 109 had better known what they were doing. You had an E vs Turning fight. Now, I can just turn fight a spit in a G6, a 110, a F4U, etc.
Well in your case, your natural abilities must be absolutely uncanny, as I've been playing for five years now, and I STILL find it challenging, struggling to see even 2 or 3 kills in lights. But to me, the challenge is the fun of it. If it were easy, I'd have gotten bored of it a long time ago...
Just keep in mind that this game doesn't came as easy for most people as it does for you.
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Now, I can just turn fight a spit in a G6, a 110, a F4U, etc.
you must have ran into a noob fest dedalos :D
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Well in your case, your natural abilities must be absolutely uncanny
In this particular case, they are.
- oldman
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I think this started when they made every plane fly like a Spitfire (almost).
Really, when did this happen. Give an update version number or something verifiable so that I can go back and fact check, because I think you are up past your nostrils in odoriferous poo.
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It used to be that if an F4U or 109 met a spitfire, the guys in the U or the 109 had better known what they were doing. You had an E vs Turning fight. Now, I can just turn fight a spit in a G6, a 110, a F4U, etc.
LOL, I love when 110s try to turn with me in just about anything. I know that is a fireball waiting to happen and it ain't gonna be me. Only time a 110 has gotten me is when I was already locked into a turning engagement with another plane.
In ww2ol, we axis fighter pilots were stuck in 110s in tier 0 (early war) for the longest time and I hated them. It was to the point that I just about didn't fly until tier 1 came in with the 109E-4. Now over here, when I see one I feel this urge to drop everything and kill them. :P
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LOL, I love when 110s try to turn with me in just about anything. I know that is a fireball waiting to happen and it ain't gonna be me. Only time a 110 has gotten me is when I was already locked into a turning engagement with another plane.
In ww2ol, we axis fighter pilots were stuck in 110s in tier 0 (early war) for the longest time and I hated them. It was to the point that I just about didn't fly until tier 1 came in with the 109E-4. Now over here, when I see one I feel this urge to drop everything and kill them. :P
i think i've only had one or two 110's out turn my pee38 o doom. i also think both of them were flown by some of the jg54 doods.
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another disturbing trend i've been noticing, is the fact that rather than adapting, and overcoming, people that don't like the changes are all too anxious to come here and complain. very disturbing.
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Nah, he was talking about people "trolling" the maps looking for easy captures with the least amount of resistance, which i find to be extremely hypocritical.
The above comment is clearly part of the problem.. There you go again dictating how other should play the game..If a player wants to troll the map looking for easy captures, why should you care? If you do not want him capturing bases, you should up and stop him or them.. Yours is the same old mentality. Either play the game my way or your a hypocrite. If a group is taking undefended bases who is fault is it really? I would think that the owners of those bases are at fault for not defending them...
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The above comment is clearly part of the problem.. There you go again dictating how other should play the game..If a player wants to troll the map looking for easy captures, why should you care? If you do not want him capturing bases, you should up and stop him or them.. Yours is the same old mentality. Either play the game my way or your a hypocrite. If a group is taking undefended bases who is fault is it really? I would think that the owners of those bases are at fault for not defending them...
An excuse being used by lamers for years.
If you were actually employing tactics and strategy you will have success no matter what the enemy does because you planned for it.
If your tactics and strategy can be disrupted by just a few enemy upping at the base you are attacking than you need to rethink what you consider tactics and strategy.
(effective ones anyway...)
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As 'Mike115' said when he pm'ed me last night, paying $15/month is a heck of lot cheaper than paying for a nut doctor's therapy most of us need from real life.
Actually it was me, and i still think this LOL
AH and target shooting are great for clearing the mind after an insane day :aok
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An excuse being used by lamers for years.
If a player wants to play the game his way you call him a "Lamer" I think you should not worry about what the other guys are doing and you play your way and let him play his way..After all, at the end of the day it is just a game. An addicting game I might add, but just a game.. Everyone who plays finds certain things that he or she likes about the game. Some like to GV, some like to move the map, and other like to fur ball, and a select few like to have their names on the Aces Website for having the highest scores every month.. I say good for all of these different players..
They are all playing the game the way that they enjoy it...
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another disturbing trend i've been noticing, is the fact that rather than adapting, and overcoming, people that don't like the changes are all too anxious to come here and complain. very disturbing.
Once again here we go....it isn't about adapting i love a good furball from time to time,but now it is a constant furball in the MA. The game play has lost some very interesting componets and has for sure become arcade like.
Besides whats wrong with sneaking into enemy territory to bomb a strat? Noe? or are you to lazy to up and find where they are? Oh i get it, instant gratification, well wait till you get home to play with your new toy or you will loose all the pieces!
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Once again here we go....it isn't about adapting i love a good furball from time to time,but now it is a constant furball in the MA. The game play has lost some very interesting componets and has for sure become arcade like.
Besides whats wrong with sneaking into enemy territory to bomb a strat? Noe? or are you to lazy to up and find where they are? Oh i get it, instant gratification, well wait till you get home to play with your new toy or you will loose all the pieces!
i have gone deep into enemy territory. i've bombed hq, cities, whatever else is deep within. i do that when i don't feel like flying a fighter. sometimes i have my fun just hitting radar towers......or bombing from a lower altitude to lure fighters in.
when you get older, you'll understand what some of us are saying.
aaww jeeze!! my grandparents used to say that to me!!! :rofl
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Once again here we go....it isn't about adapting i love a good fur ball from time to time,but now it is a constant fur ball in the MA. The game play has lost some very interesting componets and has for sure become arcade like.
Besides whats wrong with sneaking into enemy territory to bomb a strat? Noe? or are you to lazy to up and find where they are? Oh i get it, instant gratification, well wait till you get home to play with your new toy or you will loose all the pieces!
Well said! I used to enjoy watching the map for signs of the NOE or strat buff runs and upping to stop them. I could play for hours just doing that.. Nothing hurts worse than going to all of the trouble to mount an NOE raid and have your troops killed at the last minute by someone who was watching the map. Or upping to hunt a buff on its way to the strats. You know he is there somewhere but you must hunt him.. I would love to sit in the tower while they de acked, and just when the troops showed up come out and blast them.. That part of the game seems to be gone now.. Now you log on and see a giant dar bar with many red and green dots on two or three places of the map..
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Well said! I used to enjoy watching the map for signs of the NOE or strat buff runs and upping to stop them. I could play for hours just doing that.. Nothing hurts worse than going to all of the trouble to mount an NOE raid and have your troops killed at the last minute by someone who was watching the map. Or upping to hunt a buff on its way to the strats. You know he is there somewhere but you must hunt him.. I would love to sit in the tower while they de acked, and just when the troops showed up come out and blast them.. That part of the game seems to be gone now.. Now you log on and see a giant dar bar with many red and green dots on two or three places of the map..
trust me it's not.
i just had nisr kill me a few times. deacked most of the base, he decided i had enough fun, came out, spotted me before i thought he would(thought i was better concealed), and whamo.....cap's in the tower.
he had 2 or 3 more kills frm me and cdr i think it was.
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Once again here we go....it isn't about adapting i love a good furball from time to time,but now it is a constant furball in the MA. The game play has lost some very interesting componets and has for sure become arcade like.
Besides whats wrong with sneaking into enemy territory to bomb a strat? Noe? or are you to lazy to up and find where they are? Oh i get it, instant gratification, well wait till you get home to play with your new toy or you will loose all the pieces!
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i have gone deep into enemy territory. i've bombed hq, cities, whatever else is deep within. i do that when i don't feel like flying a fighter. sometimes i have my fun just hitting radar towers......or bombing from a lower altitude to lure fighters in.
when you get older, you'll understand what some of us are saying.
aaww jeez!! my grandparents used to say that to me!!! :rofl
Oh my young one how little you know at your age..you my little one are so searching for answers at your age......fear not ,when you reach the latter stages of adulthood you will realise something, your an idiot... and BTW lol so did mine!!
good banter but still as i have said game as lost a bit.
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The above comment is clearly part of the problem.. There you go again dictating how other should play the game..If a player wants to troll the map looking for easy captures, why should you care? If you do not want him capturing bases, you should up and stop him or them.. Yours is the same old mentality. Either play the game my way or your a hypocrite. If a group is taking undefended bases who is fault is it really? I would think that the owners of those bases are at fault for not defending them...
I think you're reading what I said TOTALLY wrong.
I am most certainly NOT dictating how people should play, quite the opposite actually.
I totally agree with everything you've said in the above quote.
I don't understand why someone who is fighting 5 sectors away from a base that is being "sneaked" would even care, especially if they are NOT the "win the warz" types.
I think they feel a little superior. (did i say a "little"?)
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Oh my young one how little you know at your age..you my little one are so searching for answers at your age......fear not ,when you reach the latter stages of adulthood you will realise something, your an idiot... and BTW lol so did mine!!
good banter but still as i have said game as lost a bit.
young one? i don't think so. at least that's not what my body tells me when i try to contort to get myself under the dash of a car.
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one of your squaddies shot me down in lw blue last night. it couldn't have been my fault, as i had my sapp issue blender running full tilt.....it had to be due to the expanded radar. :neener:
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some nights i enjoy just lifting in a heavy jug, sneaking into enemy territory and porking a base deep behind the lines. Why you ask? kinnda peacefull flying low and hitting the base behind their lines, and giving the "what the he!! is going on there experience. :airplane: Oh yeah cant do that anymore!
Stay under 65 feet, and your fine.
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Ive been in the DA all week. The MA doesnt interest me much. It has bombers,cities, strats, but when you get down to it it, its about pounding a base with superior numbers, blowing up towns, and letting 10 robot paper cutout figures capture it.
The fighting in the MA (LW anyways) is all about speed, and surprise an very little acm. Thats why Ive chosen the DA to fly mostly. Many people in there will fight the way I like.
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Game isnt fun anymore. If it wasnt for events, I would be gone also. Game and forums seems like high schol all over again, drama drama drama. Twittle that toejam.
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ever since i started my squad i have not loved this game any more so with or without the changes. I see the changes to be a chalenge to adapt to. I see the new town to be a strategic defensive perimeter with many choke points. i see the landscape and think to myself, what if?... This is a great game, a great setup, and great flyers. i have never loved it so much.
groundfeeder... if you do not like the way its played by others, use the others' way of playing to your advantage. there's nothing like upping a zero and dogfighting your way to the death or upping a 110 or an F4U1C or 4 to 15-20k and capping a CV group from bombers and suicide fighters. the thrill fuels me and my squaddies. we laugh and have great times. (in fact, my most favorite flights aren't the long bomb runs or escort duties or the furballing or base taking, my favorite sortie is the CV cap... it may not seem like much but it keeps you to the advantage and keeps you having fun and racking kills. Escort duties come a close second to this and 3rd would be GVing) This game is a sandbox man, fly it the way you want to. BE IMAGINATIVE because you hit a roadblock in the gaming and you can go around it. :aok
I've learned that MANY GV tactics can be employed on the ground and many other air tactics in the sky. read up and use them. maybe the leading role is where you need to be?
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Game isnt fun anymore. If it wasnt for events, I would be gone also. Game and forums seems like high schol all over again, drama drama drama. Twittle that toejam.
perdweeb
hey bud. <S> like i said above, there are many more things this game offers in the MAs. you just need to find it. maybe you havent done a few things that seem pointless? like i said, CV capping is a wonderful sortie. 4-8 F4Us above a carrier and sometimes that will allow the furballers to take the base below you.
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hey bud. <S> like i said above, there are many more things this game offers in the MAs. you just need to find it. maybe you havent done a few things that seem pointless? like i said, CV capping is a wonderful sortie. 4-8 F4Us above a carrier and sometimes that will allow the furballers to take the base below you.
Just got done doing that 321. In the end, they overwhelmed us with numbers but it was a blast while it lasted.
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ever since i started my squad i have not loved this game any more so with or without the changes. I see the changes to be a chalenge to adapt to. I see the new town to be a strategic defensive perimeter with many choke points. i see the landscape and think to myself, what if?... This is a great game, a great setup, and great flyers. i have never loved it so much.
groundfeeder... if you do not like the way its played by others, use the others' way of playing to your advantage. there's nothing like upping a zero and dogfighting your way to the death or upping a 110 or an F4U1C or 4 to 15-20k and capping a CV group from bombers and suicide fighters. the thrill fuels me and my squaddies. we laugh and have great times. (in fact, my most favorite flights aren't the long bomb runs or escort duties or the furballing or base taking, my favorite sortie is the CV cap... it may not seem like much but it keeps you to the advantage and keeps you having fun and racking kills. Escort duties come a close second to this and 3rd would be GVing) This game is a sandbox man, fly it the way you want to. BE IMAGINATIVE because you hit a roadblock in the gaming and you can go around it. :aok
I've learned that MANY GV tactics can be employed on the ground and many other air tactics in the sky. read up and use them. maybe the leading role is where you need to be?
Gotta tell ya....of all the response i have ever had :salute yours may be one of the best. no bull.
The general problem i have had, is that i may not want to climb to the sub stratosphere or maybe just dont have the time. I do truly love this game...and have tried to interject new aspects of play into it.
i am just getting beat down by the constant level of arcade feel from it. We all see the red stream-o-death on the maps. but it gets old after awhile!
we used to have choices about what we did in the game, like it or not,......we had them....these choices are dwindling
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you have got to heal yourself of this miserable belief that the game owes you fun. It ows you only a connection to the server. You have got to make your own fun, your own enjoyment. If you cant do that then whats the point of complaining? unless you are having a menstrual cycle you have zero excuse.
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we used to have choices about what we did in the game, like it or not,......we had them....these choices are dwindling
the only reason it is dwindling is because people can be narrow minded. you can avoid the ball of red or you can get above it in a pony and pick the crap out of em until you get them mad enough to PM you or call you out on 200 :rofl
Just got done doing that 321. In the end, they overwhelmed us with numbers but it was a blast while it lasted.
Try extending the cap out another 2 miles or so in a rotation. 4 on one side, 4 on the other. you'll be able to respond much more quickly to the threat even if it was 2 and 2.
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Gotta tell ya....of all the response i have ever had :salute yours may be one of the best. no bull.
The general problem i have had, is that i may not want to climb to the sub stratosphere or maybe just dont have the time. I do truly love this game...and have tried to interject new aspects of play into it.
i am just getting beat down by the constant level of arcade feel from it. We all see the red stream-o-death on the maps. but it gets old after awhile!
we used to have choices about what we did in the game, like it or not,......we had them....these choices are dwindling
and thank you for the comment <S> i hope i helped. im serious, just find another way to fight, patience wins out almost always in the end... i hope you find what you want. :aok
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you have got to heal yourself of this miserable belief that the game owes you fun. It ows you only a connection to the server. You have got to make your own fun, your own enjoyment. If you cant do that then whats the point of complaining? unless you are having a menstrual cycle you have zero excuse.
well i think it does owe me fun...i pay for it you dolt! as far as a connection to the server... your useless swill makes it almost worthwhile to bail on the game itself! Get out of your parents basement and stop commenting to the opposite of everything you read you mental pigmy!
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well i think it does owe me fun...i pay for it you dolt! as far as a connection to the server... your useless swill makes it almost worthwhile to bail on the game itself! Get out of your parents basement and stop commenting to the opposite of everything you read you mental pigmy!
easy.... reread what i have said in my last two posts. :confused: if you dont like what he is saying, then ignore it because its your life and your $15, do what you like. the game does owe you fun but not by handing it to you... you need to search out for it like a friend who owes you money before you get the satisfaction.
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and thank you for the comment <S> i hope i helped. im serious, just find another way to fight, patience wins out almost always in the end... i hope you find what you want. :aok
Maybe a break, will do the trick.... someone posted in a response to another post, that this game was like crack, and should be regulated by the FDA...........Maybe the are correct :aok
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Maybe a break, will do the trick.... someone posted in a response to another post, that this game was like crack, and should be regulated by the FDA...........Maybe the are correct :aok
i took a break for a year. im back and loving it more than my first year here :aok maybe this will help. a month or two off will help sometimes <S>
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i took a break for a year. im back and loving it more than my first year here :aok maybe this will help. a month or two off will help sometimes <S>
well perhaps your right....thank you voice of reason....just need to blow off steam. If those of us didn't voice an opinion about the game, it truly would wither and die. guess it shows we give a crap about it....oh well gonna have a beer and try to relax.........$#it ...out of beer! :furious
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well i think it does owe me fun...i pay for it you dolt! as far as a connection to the server... your useless swill makes it almost worthwhile to bail on the game itself! Get out of your parents basement and stop commenting to the opposite of everything you read you mental pigmy!
Well it sounds like you are getting the short end of the stick and nothing is going to change that. Select Account Admin and then select Delete Account. Be bold, be beautiful... and remember: Dont go away mad, just go away.
I think both you and the game would be better off.
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oh...i thought this thread was going to be about these people :confused:
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz229/emo_witchy_girl/Emo%20boys/Emo-16.gif)
and the emo's
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Really, when did this happen. Give an update version number or something verifiable so that I can go back and fact check, because I think you are up past your nostrils in odoriferous poo.
:rofl How exactly would you check? I am sorry I am not able to provide a version number :lol Don;t worry though, flying straight and fast to the ack has not changed. So, despite what you think, it was 4 or 5 years ago? I don;t remember exactly, but it was after the endless threads about how the 109s and F4Us were not modeled correctly if you want to search for those and get version number to verify :rofl
I do remember being in the DA with Bighorn after one of the patches and he asked me to try the F4Us. I remember the reaction from both of us "Holly crap, they can turn now" lol. As I said, the game became easier at some point. Flying a 109 or an F4U the way TC was flying them back then took a lot more skill and knowledge of the planes than it takes now. Had you been dog fighting back then you would not be thinking I am full of it. You can only talk from your experiences. I understand that and I remember how our early engagements would end up too, so I know where you are coming from :aok
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I remember they had a flaw in the FM of ALL planes where you could hardly do a mild flat turn in ANYTHING without the wings stalling. That was back when the game was just out of beta, maybe 2000. The statement about "making all the planes fly like spits" is pure hyperbole. Also, I've run into a heck of a LOT of people that have played this game just superbly, you needn't flatter yourself as it is nothing to mount on the wall.
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THE Funny thing is, that in corsairs, the only pile-it i kill is me. same in the 109's and 190's. the spits seem easy to me, hurricanes easier than the spits, and the zeeks easier than both.
the f6f feels the easiest of the american planes to me, although the rear view sucks. p39 the only thing i have success against is gv's, p40 i absolutley suck in, p51 i can't hit anything 'cept the dirt.....p38 i love, but i don't have the same success as the rest of the sapp'rs yet........
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I remember they had a flaw in the FM of ALL planes where you could hardly do a mild flat turn in ANYTHING without the wings stalling. That was back when the game was just out of beta, maybe 2000. The statement about "making all the planes fly like spits" is pure hyperbole. Also, I've run into a heck of a LOT of people that have played this game just superbly, you needn't flatter yourself as it is nothing to mount on the wall.
I agree on the hyperbole. I was trying to make a point. Your point is that you have something personal with me. That is fine, but not related to the subject. If you can;t tell the difference or don;t remember a change, that is not my fault. I do remember that there was no way in hell I could dog fight in an F4U or 109 until a patch. I guess I learned over night :lol
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I agree on the hyperbole. I was trying to make a point. Your point is that you have something personal with me. That is fine, but not related to the subject. If you can;t tell the difference or don;t remember a change, that is not my fault. I do remember that there was no way in hell I could dog fight in an F4U or 109 until a patch. I guess I learned over night :lol
Nah, just more idiots in the game decreasing your chance for a decent fight. :joystick:
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Nothing personal at all, I enjoyed our fights in MidWar this past year. I do admit I sometimes have troubling understanding the point you sometimes try to make in your posts. As in the intent of what you are saying.
We will keep at it :)
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Ok I'll throw my two sense in this...
There are two types of football players. Those that want to run up the middle, and those that want to play-action pass. Those that want to run up the middle pride themselves on physical ability, Blocking technique, and running ability. Those that want ot Play-action pass (fake the run up the middle and throw a pass to a wide open reciever) pride themselves on being smarter.
The MA is the same way. There are those that pride themselves on their ability to come across another pilot regarless of the plane matchups, E disparities, and number disparities and come out victorious...demonstrate thier skills as [cartoon] pilots. There are those who want to pull off ever deeper and daring raids into enemy territory without being discovered...prove how smart they are.
The skill people are easy to satisfy. I think the issue is with the latter. The radar settings force everything to be a full frontal confrontation. But this doesn't eliminate strategy in the game, it transforms it from figuring out how to 'fake out' the other side, to organizing the proper resources and executing a well thought out plan to accomplish an objective. Which should be a great thing to do in a war sim.
The "fake out" guys are getting pissed because they can't do "fake out" base taking anymore, because with radar covering the whole map, bandits are drawn to you like moths to a flame.
Would changing the radar back really fix the problem? I say that's a matter of perception. The reason you could sneak a mission in the past is not because your plan is clever enough to have faked anyone out, it's because no one cares. It's not worth the time investment to fly around looking for a few planes that might be trying to capture a meaningless base. So the percieved cleverness of your part is nothing more than the result of it not being worth the enemies time to look for you.
It seems the choice has been made by the game developers to promote action per unit time for paying customers. Not hard to figure out why they made that choice.
Perhaps you can change your definition of being stategic, from faking the enemy out, to planning a raid that can capture a base with a handfull of very organized friends or squadies, knowing that the enemy will see you coming. Just a suggestion :salute
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I have been taking a break for about 3 weeks now. So I can't tell you about anything I haven't observed where I wasn't flying.
But there is one thing that is clear because I have been reading these boards.
There are really only about 20 or 30 guys posting here. Most of them have been at it a long time and have developed a very high opinion of themselves and think their opinion has of course more weight than any else. If all anyone did is read this board before they decided if they wanted to play Aces High, I doubt they would.
See you boys soon <S>
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I do remember that there was no way in hell I could dog fight in an F4U or 109 until a patch. I guess I learned over night :lol
Well the question is, do you think the way they handle now is incorrect? Just curious because it isn't wrong. Improving the fidelity of the flight models does not equal making the game more arcade.
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I'm just glad they improved SAPP-mode on the 38s.
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they didn't for me.......i had my blender running full tilt, and still flew into a mountain.
i was told that that would let me fly through them dammit!!
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Well the question is, do you think the way they handle now is incorrect? Just curious because it isn't wrong. Improving the fidelity of the flight models does not equal making the game more arcade.
I have no clue if it is right or wrong. I never flew these plains in real life. The reality is that no one can claim that the models are right or wrong (ok, maybe 99% of the people). Sure the numbers used may be accurate but the actual modeling (code) it self, how would I know? So now the question is, how do you know? Ho can you tell if the always - as we are told by the experts here - perfect models are correct or if they have been improved? The only thing I can tell is that they change every so often and some things went from hard to easier. Does that make them more accurate?
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The only frame of reference any of us has is how the cartoon planes fly. I'd wager there isn't anybody in here who's flown a single-seat WWII aircraft in combat configuration into combat to be able to give us a definitive 'It handles right'.
So much of how people use the planes in here is based on emergent behavior. Each plane is just a set of numbers with a wireframe over it, right? So with this much HP, this propeller, these wings, this much drag, at this weight (in horribly simplistic terms) you get a Ki-84, or a F4U-1D, or whatever. The program then takes care of the rest as far as how it flies and what happens at different speeds and AoA, etc.
I think it would be fascinating (and I bet they did something similar in the early days) to see something modeled like a Cessna 172 or something along those lines. Something that everybody and their dog has flown, and knows how it handles. Just to see how close to reality the game engine gets it.
Wiley.
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Has anyone noticed people leaving the game at a fairly good rate?
I have seen members of squads leave the game after many years of play, most of them say the same thing...."The game has become to arcade".
Last night i logged on to the orange arena,giant furball. Blue arena same thing, with the added caveat of a lovely field of overlapping dar on both arenas, the pizza map is ridiculous with the new settings. I looked for a few squaddies, and only 3 where on. I cant tell you the last time i saw that few in the game!!!!
My wife is up doing assignments, its like 4:46am so I decided to log in and have a quick fight. Couldn't get into the first arena so I loaded the second one n the pizza map came up, hurt my eyeballs so bad I alt+f4'ed it ;) Not lying either.
The maps are ugly, big, cluttered and most importantly strategically pointless. The only time I saw a reset recently was when our country decided to let the bish's win so we could get a new map (which turned out to be an even more pointless 500 island thing that'll get reset next week on TT by HTC)
AH is a good game, has loads of good points, by far the best flight sim around but the maps and the strat are sucking. Luckily the good points outweigh the bad.
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I think it would be fascinating (and I bet they did something similar in the early days) to see something modeled like a Cessna 172 or something along those lines. Something that everybody and their dog has flown, and knows how it handles. Just to see how close to reality the game engine gets it.
Wiley.
We do have the RV8 in-game... :noid
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I think it would be fascinating (and I bet they did something similar in the early days) to see something modeled like a Cessna 172 or something along those lines. Something that everybody and their dog has flown, and knows how it handles. Just to see how close to reality the game engine gets it.
Wiley.
why do you think the rv8 is modeled in the game? it's hitech's real world plane.
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Cool. Never realized what the RV8 was, had heard it mentioned in passing but never bothered finding out.
Wiley.
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why do you think the rv8 is modeled in the game? it's hitech's real world plane.
Well, my dog has not flown one of those either :D In any case, all it would prove is that the rv8 is or is not modeled right. I am willing to bet that the people that have flown rv8s will end up arguing with one another about it ;)
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Well, it's a plane Hitech has personal experience with flying in the real world. It stands to reason they used the same process to model the RV8 as they used to model the war planes. If the RV8 is right, it's fairly reasonable to assume that the engine is capable of making the war planes work reasonably close, right?
But yes, people with RV8 experience probably would quibble with its abilities in game.
Wiley.
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Well, my dog has not flown one of those either :D In any case, all it would prove is that the rv8 is or is not modeled right. I am willing to bet that the people that have flown rv8s will end up arguing with one another about it ;)
perhaps, but I think it would help him prove that his math is correct with the flight model.
IIRC hitech also has experience in P51's also, so he's got that to go off of as well as his rv8 experience.
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I have no clue if it is right or wrong. I never flew these plains in real life.
Well you had no problem implying that they had been made to turn better to make the game easier. I simply disagree with the reasoning behind that change, if such a change was indeed made (I obviously wasn't playing AH at the time you referenced.)
The reality is that no one can claim that the models are right or wrong (ok, maybe 99% of the people). Sure the numbers used may be accurate but the actual modeling (code) it self, how would I know? So now the question is, how do you know?
I can't tell for sure. I can only compare the way the plane flies in game to what I've read about the aircraft from people that flew them and flew against them including Eric Brown who flew scores of WW2 aircraft from all different nations. It is my understanding from my own reading on the subject that the Bf109 was quite maneuverable up until the later models of the G series (G-10 and later variants) where so much weight was added to the airframe that the wingloading increased to a point that the maneuverability suffered as a result. While even the early 109s could not best their Spitfire contemporaries in terms of turning radius, it was quite possible for a good pilot to turn inside of a Spitfire long enough to achieve a victory. For proof of that, I point to Hans Joachim Marseille:
Marseille said that in such conditions, there's a lower chance and too little time for the usual chase attack method, and preferred to use high angle deflection firing from short range while making a sharp turn. In doing so, he never used his gun sight and instead fired a very short burst at the passing target in the split second when its leading edge, its propeller, disappeared from his eyes behind his aircraft's nose.
As for the Corsair, it had something like an 11:1 kill ratio in air combat in WW2. That speaks for itself but it is not difficult to find comments regarding the Corsair such as this:
How can the Corsair be evaluated? Its standing as a major combat aircraft of World War II can not be denied. But its merits, or lack thereof, have always been controversial. The Corsair was fast, sturdy, powerful, well-armed, and versatile. Its handling qualities were widely criticized, but an experience pilot who knew the strong points of the aircraft could outmaneuver fighters that were praised for their handling and maneuverability.
That comment there pretty much jibes with what I see in this game. Someone that knows what they are doing with a Corsair can indeed outmaneuver some of the supposedly more maneuverable fighters but that certainly isn't true from everyone. The person at the controls is way more important than what virtual aircraft they happen to be flying.
My point is that if the Corsair and 109s used to be unmaneuverable bricks and if they were changed at some point so they weren't, it wasn't to make the game easier. It was more likely done to make them perform more realistically because in reality they were not unmaneuverable bricks. Indeed, I don't have first hand experience to support that assertion but as I said, there exists plenty of evidence to support my statement.
Ho can you tell if the always - as we are told by the experts here - perfect models are correct or if they have been improved? The only thing I can tell is that they change every so often and some things went from hard to easier. Does that make them more accurate?
Well you are apparently an exceptional virtual pilot and that has been confirmed by other parties here. Just because you can get in an inferior aircraft and outperform someone flying a better aircraft doesn't mean that the flight model has been dumbed down to be easier. It means you're good. I know personally when I am flying a Spit IX, I don't fear a turning engagement with a 109G-6 and definitely don't with the G-14 or K-4. I find that the 109s up to the G-2 are pretty good dogfighters. The G-6 is kind of iffy and the G-14 and K-4 are strictly B&Z fighters in the hands of all but the best sticks.
With the Corsair, it all depends on how the fight goes and if they are able to get their flaps down. Without flaps, they can't turn with a Spit IX, they just can't. Again, it comes down to the pilot. A good Corsair pilot will give you a tough fight in a Spit IX, a poor one will be quickly shot down.
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Like I have posted multiple times, personally I had more fun on the game years ago, but it just slowly starting dieing to me. I tried to come back for a month, but after a few days the same thing happened as it did before just way faster, I got bored....Personally in my opinion I was not to happy with the arena caps, as well as the maps being used. IT was like the same maps over, and over, and over again. As well as the enormous maps that just didnt work at times of the days when only 100 people were on. I had SO MUCH more fun back 7-8 years ago, when there was one arena, awesome maps, and less BnZers. Just as an example, Fighter Town was one of the funnest maps EVER placed on AH, just giant furballs and fun for hours.
-BigBOBCH
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Well you had no problem implying that they had been made to turn better to make the game easier. I simply disagree with the reasoning behind that change, if such a change was indeed made (I obviously wasn't playing AH at the time you referenced.)
So were not here when it allegedly happened, and yet you disagree with the reasoning? Well, what ever the reason was, the results are the same right?
Well you are apparently an exceptional virtual pilot and that has been confirmed by other parties here. Just because you can get in an inferior aircraft and outperform someone flying a better aircraft doesn't mean that the flight model has been dumbed down to be easier. It means you're good.
Nop, no where near exceptional, and that is my point. There is no way, I should be able to pull up, hang on my prop, roll over while the bad guy flies under me, pull up behind him on his way up, fire, hit him, rinse and repeat in a p40 with full flaps at 1K over the tree lines. It has nothing to do with being a good or a bad pilot. The plane can either pull its nose up or can't. Nothing to do with the guy puling on the stick. He only matters on the timing and the angles. I used the P40 as an example because of the big dif vs a spit16.
I don;t know how to better explain it. I told people in the past in the DA that I fly everything (excluding 190s) the same way I fly a spitV. Should that be possible?
And to avoid any confusion, the models have changed several times. Maybe the latest version is the most accurate one, maybe not. But if you do a search on the BBS will find the old threads complaining about the 109 models and the F4U models, and then you will see that those threads disappear. It will give you an idea of when the - in my opinion - big change happened. And yes, in my opinion, the game/planes became easier to fly. As I said before, there was no way I could win vs someone like TC in an F4U until those changes. I don;t think I learned over night.
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So were not here when it allegedly happened, and yet you disagree with the reasoning? Well, what ever the reason was, the results are the same right?
Nop, no where near exceptional, and that is my point. There is no way, I should be able to pull up, hang on my prop, roll over while the bad guy flies under me, pull up behind him on his way up, fire, hit him, rinse and repeat in a p40 with full flaps at 1K over the tree lines. It has nothing to do with being a good or a bad pilot. The plane can either pull its nose up or can't. Nothing to do with the guy puling on the stick. He only matters on the timing and the angles. I used the P40 as an example because of the big dif vs a spit16.
I don;t know how to better explain it. I told people in the past in the DA that I fly everything (excluding 190s) the same way I fly a spitV. Should that be possible?
And to avoid any confusion, the models have changed several times. Maybe the latest version is the most accurate one, maybe not. But if you do a search on the BBS will find the old threads complaining about the 109 models and the F4U models, and then you will see that those threads disappear. It will give you an idea of when the - in my opinion - big change happened. And yes, in my opinion, the game/planes became easier to fly. As I said before, there was no way I could win vs someone like TC in an F4U until those changes. I don;t think I learned over night.
not to be an ass......but i'd like to see film of that. i always end up in those trees trying anything near like what you described.....
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I preferred the RV8 setup for the Con. :D
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Like I have posted multiple times, personally I had more fun on the game years ago
srry your not having as much fun anymore. For me, I dont care what map. I dont care arena caps, or this whine or that whine........I just enjoy killing people. well, ......you know what I mean.
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I'm with you Ded, I fly the same way in everything too. Some planes do better than others using them the way I fly, but some do seem to not want to do what I want. As far as the planes suddenly getting easier to fly, I dont know. I think some of the planes that are created for us, like the spit16, are made because they were real easy to fly, but thats just a guess.
All in all I'd rather have planes easier to fly so more people can give a good fight. If they were real hard and few could fly them well, the playing field would really suck.
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Most do not know this but Dedalos dresses like Robin Hood when he flies.
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Most do not know this but Dedalos dresses like Robin Hood when he flies.
Pfffft, you are jealous because I look hot in those green tights! :O
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not to be an ass......but i'd like to see film of that. i always end up in those trees trying anything near like what you described.....
Find the ones from our fights in the MW a while back :D
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Pfffft, you are jealous because I look hot in those green tights! :O
Thats cool, just be sure to keep you jUnK in the tRuNk :neener:
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Thats cool, just be sure to keep you jUnK in the tRuNk :neener:
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Find the ones from our fights in the MW a while back :D
i forgot about them....thankfully, i kept that version of ah, and just dl'd this one fresh. :aok
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Pfffft, you are jealous because I look hot in those green tights! :O
(http://www.phroth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/peter_pan2_1.jpg)
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(http://www.phroth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/peter_pan2_1.jpg)
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:eek: :rofl
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(http://www.phroth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/peter_pan2_1.jpg)
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And that proves my point. Well, some jealousy about the hair also.
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srry your not having as much fun anymore. For me, I dont care what map. I dont care arena caps, or this whine or that whine........I just enjoy killing people. well, ......you know what I mean.
Eh, I came back once and gave it a shot again, had fun for a month but got burnt out, I am considering coming back again since I am back in full time college and so weekends and nights I have nothing to do once work is done.
-BigBOBCH
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And that proves my point. Well, some jealousy about the hair also.
Dorothy Hamill called, she wants her wig back :D
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i see a disturbing trend of pictures that in one way or another are kinda scary. :noid
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The vast horrors awaiting us on the internet are legion.
One maxim that often comes around to bite me is 'What has been seen cannot be unseen.'
What gets my mind turning and causes me to lose sleep at night, is what was Robin Hood there up to? Did he really think he looked good and wanted to share his good lookingness with the world, or did he lose a bet?
Wiley.
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I get the feeling that you gus don't think I look good in that picture :(