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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fencer51 on August 31, 2010, 10:57:23 AM
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Check the front page kids.
Thanks HTC, that will be a great addition to SEA Events.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/mossie16/mossie162.jpg)
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Check the front page kids.
Thanks HTC, that will be a great addition to SEA Events.
It might also become the ultimate bomber & attack score padding plane ;)
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So when is it being ADDED ???????????
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Another Allied plane.. :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm so done with this game.
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yep it's as ugly as it's always been :bolt:
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Another Allied plane.. :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm so done with this game.
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WANT. The Norden-equipped Mossie was one of the most fun rides in WB back in the day, especially for the P-38 squads who wanted to run a Droop-Snoot mission.
Now if only we could get time-delay fuses and skip bombs to use the Mossie and B-25H properly... :bolt:
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Thanks HTC! I think it will be a fun addition to the game.
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AND it carries a 4k bomb! This is gonna get ugly. :O
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AND it carries a 4k bomb! This is gonna get ugly. :O
The "Cookie" can be a real game changer.
I saw it also had a 3x500lbs load out.
Methinks this is gonna be fun!
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thought this might be along soon :rock
I am very :banana: about this :D
needs a nickname though, how about:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:AJRUmICKkihHrM:http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/cookie%20monster.jpg&t=1)
;)
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With that cookie, the 110 might be replaced for smash and grab....
And NOE toolshedders are gonna have a ball with this plane...
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With that cookie, the 110 might be replaced for smash and grab....
absolutely not.
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me like eeee
long time
:aok
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Forget toolshedding, I'm thinking more along the lines of 'CV destruct-o-matic'.
Wiley.
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The Norden-equipped Mossie
:headscratch:
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Like the cockpit. Looks good.
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:headscratch:
Note the glass nose on the screenshots- this version is equipped with a bombsite and no guns.
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I noticed it but im trying to ignore it and hopefully it will go away. Did you not see those big ugly bombs it has been attacked by, the poor girl is sick!
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:D
so did the bomber/navigator have to lie on the floor to use the bombsight? looks like it from the cockpit screenies.
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so did the bomber/navigator have to lie on the floor to use the bombsight? looks like it from the cockpit screenies.
I think, if I recall correctly without digging out the books, that the bomb aimer/navigator sat in a copilots seat for most of the flight and only wriggled into position in the nose for the bomb run. I forget if he laid down or not, I think the space is a bit bigger than it looks in the in-game screenies.
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Note the glass nose on the screenshots- this version is equipped with a bombsite and no guns.
Yeah, Blackett not Norden tho, mainly Mk XIV, T1, T1A...
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absolutely not.
You're right, I didn't realize this model doesn't have the 4 20mms in the nose..
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Yeah, Blackett not Norden tho, mainly Mk XIV, T1, T1A...
Ok, you got me- but in generic flight sim speak (at least in every one I've ever flown), Norden usually is just shorthand for bombsight like drunks is for paratroopers (and SAPPers).
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really? we needed another mossie?? really??? i don't see how this adds more than say, a beaufighter, or a 111, or a G4M for that matter. i know, i know, it has it's place in history, but we already have a mosquito. my $0.02. flame away brit lovers
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Another Allied plane.. :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm so done with this game.
No loss, I'm sure most of us didn't even know you existed before your post.
ack-ack
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Not the ride I would have preferred (still hoping) but anything new is a plus for me.
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I've asked for it before, so I'm gonna give a big <<S>> HTC
We need that plane, gonna be fun in MW and scenario use.
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really? we needed another mossie?? really??? i don't see how this adds more than say, a beaufighter, or a 111, or a G4M for that matter. i know, i know, it has it's place in history, but we already have a mosquito. rs
This is a completely different beast which will be used in a completely different way. It's not comparable at all to the Mossie already in game, due to
- having a big bomb load
- having a bomb sight
- having no guns at all.
So it's a bomber which will fill a similar role as the Arado 234.
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This is a completely different beast which will be used in a completely different way. It's not comparable at all to the Mossie already in game, due to
- having a big bomb load
- having a bomb sight
- having no guns at all.
So it's a bomber which will fill a similar role as the Arado 234.
this and hopefully a "tse-tse" next week :pray
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This is a completely different beast which will be used in a completely different way. It's not comparable at all to the Mossie already in game, due to
- having a big bomb load
- having a bomb sight
- having no guns at all.
So it's a bomber which will fill a similar role as the Arado 234.
Interesting.... :aok Very cool HTC crew!
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This is a completely different beast which will be used in a completely different way. It's not comparable at all to the Mossie already in game, due to
- having a big bomb load
- having a bomb sight
- having no guns at all.
So it's a bomber which will fill a similar role as the Arado 234.
all of that is cool, but in my opinion the planes i listed above (and a few more) have more of a historical signifigance than a gunless bomber mossie, therefore would be more deserving of a spot in-game. again, just my opinion.
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Another Allied plane.. :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm so done with this game.
luftweiner! :aok
you think im any happier though? wheres my darn a6m3!!!
and M-18 :noid
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We are assuming they are making it to spec...............
I doubt they will give it the speed, altitude, nor the 4k ord it truly deserves and had.
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We are assuming they are making it to spec...............
I doubt they will give it the speed, altitude, nor the 4k ord it truly deserves and had.
ummm... well I hate to say this but looks like a cookie bomb and 2 500lb bombs to me.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/mossie16/mossie163.jpg)
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:x :x :x more Jap rides now plz :neener:
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all of that is cool, but in my opinion the planes i listed above (and a few more) have more of a historical signifigance than a gunless bomber mossie, therefore would be more deserving of a spot in-game. again, just my opinion.
if it was created from scratch I might agree with you, but its a mod of an existing plane which was recently updated, so we get a completely new, completely different plane for just a little more work :aok
agreed bruv, tse-tse :pray
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:x :x :x more Jap rides now plz :neener:
yea please! or M-18 :noid
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yea please! or M-18 :noid
alright ya we need more jap lovers where ya at!! :rock :rock :salute
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SWEET. Thanks htc!
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Cool, but it would be nice to see more german iron :D
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You guys complaining about this new plane are thick. Im sorry, but after all these years you STILL dont get it???...its a lot easier to make a variant of an existing plane than it is to make a plane from scratch. Its hilarious how people complain when we get something new. Grow up.
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I think the next thing that should be added is the Junkers Tri-Motor as a 40ENY Troop Transport.
Give the Germans an airdrop option (Since they did it first....)
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You guys complaining about this new plane are thick. Im sorry, but after all these years you STILL dont get it???...its a lot easier to make a variant of an existing plane than it is to make a plane from scratch. Its hilarious how people complain when we get something new. Grow up.
not allowed to voice my opinion? get over yourself, highness
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all of that is cool, but in my opinion the planes i listed above (and a few more) have more of a historical signifigance than a gunless bomber mossie, therefore would be more deserving of a spot in-game. again, just my opinion.
Ahem the mossi started life as alow level bomber but was upgraded then degraded again for the advantage of speed i believe :)
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:x :x :x more Jap rides now plz :neener:
KI-84lb might be an easy addition. :D
And, the new Mossie is a great idea and also looks grrrrrrrrrreat!!
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I have been hoping HTC would add this variant. :D Look at the engine nacelles guys. There are six exhaust stubs on each side of the engine nacelle. The nacelles appear to be more elongated than the current Mossie we have in game. The Mossie Mk VI in game has five exhaust stubs on each side. If I am certain, this new Mossie variant will have excellent top speed over 15K. But I could be wrong.
If it is what I think this Mossie is, itll likely be a perked ride in Mid War, as we would see this bomber flying high in the clouds, flying fast enough that most interceptors will struggle mightly in gunning it down.
Karnak please shed us some more light!
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The damn thing is as ugly as ever, but it will be nice to have a bombsight. I might actually fly it now.
Always nice to see what those lovable madmen at HTC have cooked up.
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not allowed to voice my opinion? get over yourself, highness
Nope, not allowed. Be happy with a gunless fighter :aok
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A high speed perked bomber that isnt a jet would be a fine addition. Considering how many perked bombers we have. Personally I would have liked to have seen the P61 as a perked ride
Perked or not. I see this plane being used. Probobly not by me. But I see it being used.
Whats going to be funny to watch is people running away from it if it gets on anyone's 6 LOL
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The damn thing is as ugly as ever,
:furious
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Quick pull from Wikipedia (bad source of information).
The B.Mk. XVI had a maximum speed of 408 mph (656 km/h), a cruising speed of 245 mph (394 km/h), ceiling of 37,000 ft (11,280 m), a range of 1,485 nm (2,390 km), and a climb rate of 2,800 feet per minute (853 m). The type could carry 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) of bombs.
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq286/09171992/Album001/0013sp4z.jpg)
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Great im glad we have another brit plane and another mossie instead of something useless like more jap planes or german bombers wtg :salute
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The damn thing is as ugly as ever
Nemesis:
(http://amomtwoboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mr_magoo.gif)
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really? we needed another mossie?? really??? i don't see how this adds more than say, a beaufighter, or a 111, or a G4M for that matter. i know, i know, it has it's place in history, but we already have a mosquito. my $0.02. flame away brit lovers
One is a pure bomber, the other is a fighter-bomber. Very different missions. The Mosquito was a very versatile plane. This is a very good addition. I'm glad to see it.
:banana:
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Great im glad we have another brit plane and another mossie instead of something useless like more jap planes or german bombers wtg :salute
:furious my jap rides will outdo almost any of that german metal :D :salute
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I honestly would rather see more variants come out which are faster to make, than new airframes which take a helluva longer time, with 2-3 exceptions (P-63, He-111, Hs-129)
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Nemesis:
(http://amomtwoboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mr_magoo.gif)
Are you kidding? Look at it. It doesn't have the graceful look of a zero, the sleek, fast look of a P-51, or even the deadly beauty of a 190.
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They just put those out there to throw everyone off, they are really adding the Tu-2 :devil
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:furious
It's okay Bat, poor little Nemisis has no clue to what he speaks of.
ack-ack
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i think the new plane looks beautiful.
my only concern, it looks like there will be nothing in terms of aircraft armament. basically a goon that some man made from leftover couch frames that can carry a 4k bomb......
why am i complaining? looks great, HTC :aok
please add the Pe-2 or re-model the FM-2 next! :pray
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this and hopefully a "tse-tse" next week :pray
oh man, would that make GV busting interesting
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HTC has a consistant track record of surprising us.
1.) Why is anyone fixated on this being the only offering that can be released with the next update based on HTC's track record?
2.) How often has HTC released more than a single new and unexpected offering in an update?
3.) Why do some of you long timers act as though HTC is personaly abusing you by not fulfilling your expectations and desires?
One would think some players are mistaking thier $14.95 per month as an accumulation of one stock share per month granting them a vote at a quarterly share holders meeting. I can see HiTech's wisdom in not going that route. How would some number of you treat him if you had a few shares and felt entitled to your fantasy as an investor?
HTC was asked in the Wishlist forum last week if they would put up some screen shots of something being worked on. I'd say HTC delivers when asked nicely.
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It'll give the TAs and 47Ms something to do.
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:x
NEW BOMBER NEW BOMBER!!!!
I wonder if it will have formations?
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Formations would definitely be a great feature! Likely to be perked in Mid War, and perhaps a low ENY value in Late War. We shall see. :joystick:
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I have been hoping HTC would add this variant. :D Look at the engine nacelles guys. There are six exhaust stubs on each side of the engine nacelle. The nacelles appear to be more elongated than the current Mossie we have in game. The Mossie Mk VI in game has five exhaust stubs on each side. If I am certain, this new Mossie variant will have excellent top speed over 15K. But I could be wrong.
If it is what I think this Mossie is, itll likely be a perked ride in Mid War, as we would see this bomber flying high in the clouds, flying fast enough that most interceptors will struggle mightly in gunning it down.
Karnak please shed us some more light!
This Mossie is unlikely to be available in MW. B.Mk XVIs started ops in early 1944. Speedwise the FB.Mk VI will easily out run it down low, but you are quite correct that the 6 stacks mean something. It has two stage Merlins unlike the FB.Mk VI's one stage engines, thus having excellent high altitude performance. Top speed should be something like 410-416mph at ~27,000ft. It is quite likely to be a perk bomber, much cheaper than the Ar234, but still perked.
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It'll give the TAs and 47Ms something to do.
They have to plan their intercept well. Catching a 400mph plane at 30k isn't that easy.
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They have to plan their intercept well. Catching a 400mph plane at 30k isn't that easy.
Indeed. Likely the best way to catch one would be to line up for a high angle frontal shot or a head on. But if the Mossie pilot is smart, he can easily avoid it. Climbing to altitude and diving in on its six is possible, but one would need a considerable speed and altitude advantage to pull it off.
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Looks great, can't wait to take it CV hunting!
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I can see it now.... 10 of these things heading for HQ's. I'd be willing to bet that HQ's will be going down more often. :banana:
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I can see it now.... 10 of these things heading for HQ's. I'd be willing to bet that HQ's will be going down more often. :banana:
I can safely saddle up in my 163 then... no pesky rear guns to ruin my day :)
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Formations would definitely be a great feature! Likely to be perked in Mid War, and perhaps a low ENY value in Late War. We shall see. :joystick:
Probably won't see it in the MW arenas as I believe is a late model Mossie, first seeing service around 1944.
ack-ack
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I can see it now.... 10 of these things heading for HQ's.
... or 4 formations, they are bombers after all ... :bolt:
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I can see it now.... 10 of these things heading for HQ's. I'd be willing to bet that HQ's will be going down more often. :banana:
I can safely sadle up in my 163 then... no pesky rear guns to ruin my day :)
Both good things IMO. A new wrinkle on the old raids, but not an invulnerable one. Challenging to both use properly and stop properly. :aok
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Will this model have the option for formations?
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Will this model have the option for formations?
if its a Bomber i dont see why it would not be :pray
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Formation of Mossie's with 4,000lbs each + CV = no more CV.
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Formation of Mossie's with 4,000lbs each + CV = no more CV.
:devil
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Moar German bombers!
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mossie did bomb germans silly
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Will Mosquito PR.Mk XVI/ F-8 Mosquito (PR.Mk XVI's flying with the USAAF were F-8s in US nomenclature) skins be allowed on it?
EDIT:
Also, I am wondering if there are people out there thinking the last thing we needed was another Mk XVI of something British. :P
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Probably won't see it in the MW arenas as I believe is a late model Mossie, first seeing service around 1944.
ack-ack
first entered squadron strength in 1943, so it would be classified as MW
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first entered squadron strength in 1943, so it would be classified as MW
No combat ops until 1944 though. P-51Bs saw combat ops in Dec. 1943.
It would also be almost untouchable in MW.
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Eh I dont see much use of a mossie with no guns and just bombs.....once you drop bombs your a sitting duck.
-BigBOBCH
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Eh I dont see much use of a mossie with no guns and just bombs.....once you drop bombs your a sitting duck.
At 30+k and 400 mph? Hardly. Who will catch ya in the first place? ;)
It will see good usage.. particulary with those trying to boost score :)
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Wtf is a 30K?
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Wtf is a 30K?
ever heard things like "B17s, 18k" in game? ;)
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hhhmmm, What's the "B" stand for? :headscratch:
:D
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Will this model have the option for formations?
I hope not. Seems like that would be a bird where one pilot, one plane would be plenty.
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I doubt that it would be perked, down low it has no special characteristics and at the high altitude it takes to be able to outrun anything it will still be slower than most planes you will find at those altitudes.
K4s, 190D, P51, Typh/Temp, Spit14, Spit16, P47N and M, Yak9U, Ta152, the F4U1a and the F4U4 all have a speed advantage over the mossie at altitude, these are also some of the most common planes in LW.
I imagine it will still have a very strong following, but will probably have an ENY of 10-15.
Also keep in mind that at the 20k+ altitude it is difficult to bomb, a change of 1 foot from calibrated altitude could make you miss the target completely, i believe this could factor in to any perk pricing.
edit: Please give us the tse-tse too.
Sincerely,
Tupac
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I hope not. Seems like that would be a bird where one pilot, one plane would be plenty.
I don't see any reason why it should be treated much different than a Arado 234.
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I think the next thing that should be added is the Junkers Tri-Motor as a 40ENY Troop Transport.
Give the Germans an airdrop option (Since they did it first....)
Germans also did a first jump w/o parachutes :O ....late in the war with materials in poor supply, they were said to have held guns on troopers forcing them to jump into pasture fields without chutes. :huh
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I hope not. Seems like that would be a bird where one pilot, one plane would be plenty.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not going to fly all the way up to 18K and over just to stay alive long enough for me to drop one 4,000lbs bomb.
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I doubt that it would be perked, down low it has no special characteristics and at the high altitude it takes to be able to outrun anything it will still be slower than most planes you will find at those altitudes.
K4s, 190D, P51, Typh/Temp, Spit14, Spit16, P47N and M, Yak9U, Ta152, the F4U1a and the F4U4 all have a speed advantage over the mossie at altitude, these are also some of the most common planes in LW.
Tupac
It will flat out, out run a Tiffie or a Spit 16 at altitude. Not sure about the Yak. The Tempest, Fw190D-9 and F4U-1 will all have very narrow intercept windows. All of those aircraft mentioned will have a very hard time intercepting it if they are not pre-positioned at altitude before the Mossie crosses their path. Even the Me163 will be unable to intercept before bombs are released if you are reacting to it showing up on radar.
I would be surprised it is not perked. This is one of the ultimate bombers of WWII.
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Cool :aok Long over due.
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Yak9U's performance suffers above 17K. If the Mossie XVI will achieve 400+ mph at 27K, only a small handful of prop planes will be capable of catching it. Jets wont have a problem. However, if any of the high alt prop planes have an altitude advantage on the Mossie XVI, then the Mossie is toast- having nothing to defend itself with.
In consideration of the Mossie's survivability, it all really boils down to two things:
1. What altitude the Mossie XVI is flying at, and its airspeed
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2. How prepared is the enemy opposition? Are they at altitude and in a position to intercept?
We can only sit and wait as HTC sends us the new update. I personally would like to see an option for formations. This would allow extra ord and the ability to cause some damage. A single Mossie with 6x500lb (3000lbs) bombs wont do much damage with level bombing at 25K (unless of course it is porking a base with pin point accuracy). It takes a little over 2000lbs of ord to drop one hangar. One lone Mossie will only be able to knock down one hangar. However, the single Mossie will have the flexibility to dive bomb the troop barracks, fuel, and ammo bunkers with measurable success. With formations, a flight of Mossies will be able to drop a few hangars in one or two passes.
It will be interesting to see how the AH pilots use the XVI tactically.
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Germans also did a first jump w/o parachutes :O ....late in the war with materials in poor supply, they were said to have held guns on troopers forcing them to jump into pasture fields without chutes. :huh
wait what, i dunno about all that. I hear they were pretty smart folks an jumpin outta a plane without a chute is not :noid
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Yak9U's performance suffers above 17K. If the Mossie XVI will achieve 400+ mph at 27K, only a small handful of prop planes will be capable of catching it. Jets wont have a problem. However, if any of the high alt prop planes have an altitude advantage on the Mossie XVI, then the Mossie is toast- having nothing to defend itself with.
In consideration of the Mossie's survivability, it all really boils down to two things:
1. What altitude the Mossie XVI is flying at, and its airspeed
and
2. How prepared is the enemy opposition? Are they at altitude and in a position to intercept?
We can only sit and wait as HTC sends us the new update. I personally would like to see an option for formations. This would allow extra ord and the ability to cause some damage. A single Mossie with 6x500lb (3000lbs) bombs wont do much damage with level bombing at 25K (unless of course it is porking a base with pin point accuracy). It takes a little over 2000lbs of ord to drop one hangar. One lone Mossie will only be able to knock down one hangar. However, the single Mossie will have the flexibility to dive bomb the troop barracks, fuel, and ammo bunkers with measurable success. With formations, a flight of Mossies will be able to drop a few hangars in one or two passes.
It will be interesting to see how the AH pilots use the XVI tactically.
Where are people getting figures like 400+ mph at altitude? This sounds completely ludicrous for a mid-war prop plane.
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They should put it in the game as a non-perk aircraft and add a small price if deemed neccesary.
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This sounds completely ludicrous for a mid-war prop plane.
Let's just start with the fact that it's not an mid-war plane at all... ;)
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Where are people getting figures like 400+ mph at altitude? This sounds completely ludicrous for a mid-war prop plane.
The XVI is actually a later war variant. If you look on the front page pictures, you will see six exhuast stubs. This may indicate a 2-stage supercharged Merlin engine. If that is the case, we can expect excellent high speed performance as Karnak had mentioned earlier in this thread.
They should put it in the game as a non-perk aircraft and add a small price if deemed neccesary.
Um yes... thank you for stating the point of the discussion.
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It will flat out, out run a Tiffie or a Spit 16 at altitude. Not sure about the Yak. The Tempest, Fw190D-9 and F4U-1 will all have very narrow intercept windows.
To highlight the intercept problem: Just think about how difficult it is already to catch Ki-67's doing ~330 mph at "only" 20k (unless you happen to run across them at altitude by chance or good planning). Now put 7k altitude and 70 mph on top of that. And now that we are back to small dar circles (hooray!), a Mossie with a carefullychosen route can be quite elusive to many a would-be interceptor.
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It will be interesting to see how the AH pilots use the XVI tactically.
Suicidal divebombing from 25k is my guess.... :furious
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Suicidal divebombing from 25k is my guess.... :furious
:rofl Well we do have the Lanc-stuka. What might we have next? A Moss-stuka? Hehehe.
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This may indicate a 2-stage supercharged Merlin engine.
There is no "may" about it. It is powered by either a Merlin 72 and 73 or a Merlin 76 and 77, all high blown engines. Don't let the numbers fool you, they aren't counter rotating.
Variant summary from "Mosquito" by C. Martin Sharp & Michael J. F. Bowyer:
B.Mk. XVI (Merlin 72/73, 76/77 Bomber with two-stage Merlins and a pressure cabin. First flew 1.1.44. Fuel: 860 gal. max., 539 gal. with useful load (4 X 500 lb. bombs and 2 X 100 gal. drop tanks); 587 gal. max. fuel load or 497 gal. plus 4,000 lb. bomb and 2 X 50 gal. tanks. Weights: (lb.) a.u.w. with small bomb bay 23,646 (24,152 carrying 2 X 100 gal. tanks), a.u.w. with 6 X 500 lb. bombs on Avro carrier 24,030. With 4,000 lb. bomb: 14,901 tare, a.u.w. 24,412; a.u.w. with 2 X 100 gal. tanks 25,917. With H2S a.u.w. 24,064 when carrying 4 X 500 lb. bombs and Boozer with Oboe and 4,000 lb. bomb; a.u.w. 25,501 when also fitted with Album Leaf, Fishpond, Boozer or Monica. 23,888 lb. recommended for the 4,0000lb. bomb Mk. IX/XVI, on 20.1.44, maximum take off weight as 25,200 lb. and landing weight of 20,500 lb.., fuel capacity being 597 gal., operating from an 1,800 yard runway. Initial operating ceiling was set by this order at 28,500 feet, rising to 29,500 feet at target. Still-air range was set at 1,470 miles, max. op. range as 1,00 miles and op radius at 550 miles. Speeds: (8 Group listing) 329 m.p.h. at S.L., max. after leaving target 333 m.p.h. S.L.,, max. 408 m.p.h. F.S. gear at 28,500 feet before target, 419 m.p.h after, all with unshrouded exhaust machines (standard). Length overall 40 feet 6 inches. Declared obsolete 14.4.49.
So, we have loaded speed at sea level at 329mph, after bombs gone at sea level of 333mph. Best altitude is 28,500ft where it does 408mph with bombs and 419mph afters bombs are gone.
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So, we have loaded speed at sea level at 329mph, after bombs gone at sea level of 333mph. Best altitude is 28,500ft where it does 408mph with bombs and 419mph afters bombs are gone.
At 28k, The P-51D in AH does ~430mph, the 109K-4 ~440mph - and that's with WEP. That's very little speed advantage for those fighters, if they aren't at altitude before meeting the Mossie, they will have a very hard time to catch up before the bombs are falling, if at all.
I would try to take a P-47M (~460 mph) and get to alt once I just suspect there is a Mossie lifting somewhere, so I can get the necessary altitude before the enemy breaks dar.
For me as a buff hunter, the Mossie could be an interesting "problem", having to read the map and plan my flight just like the pilot of that unarmed bomber. I see fun ahead! :)
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"AND it carries a 4k bomb"
Should have seen that coming when they introduced the new city layout... :P
I'm sure it will be good for the game... :rolleyes:
-C+
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Where are people getting figures like 400+ mph at altitude? This sounds completely ludicrous for a mid-war prop plane.
Museums are always helpful.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3365
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Kewl :aok
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Awesome! :rock Thanks htc!
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For me as a buff hunter, the Mossie could be an interesting "problem", having to read the map and plan my flight just like the pilot of that unarmed bomber. I see fun ahead! :)
Ditto- I actually look forward to trying to cut it off in my old 109G6. (Who says you have to try it in the fastest plane available?)
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Where are people getting figures like 400+ mph at altitude? This sounds completely ludicrous for a mid-war prop plane.
lots of midwar planes go over 400 at alt. the new mossie won't be one of them, since it isn't a midwar plane, but many others do!
p-51-b
p-47d-11
typh
f4u
just to name a few!
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is everyone really gonna fly it 30k? cmon, chalenge doesn't need all that traffic up there. :devil i see this thing getting action early on, but in reality who wants to buzz around @400 mph 30,000 feet up and not shoot at anything. i know for sure i wouldn't, but it's your $15 ;)
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There is no "may" about it. It is powered by either a Merlin 72 and 73 or a Merlin 76 and 77, all high blown engines. Don't let the numbers fool you, they aren't counter rotating.
Correct, the odd numbers (73, 77) indicate Merlins with pressurization blower (one per aircraft).
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is everyone really gonna fly it 30k? cmon, chalenge doesn't need all that traffic up there. :devil i see this thing getting action early on, but in reality who wants to buzz around @400 mph 30,000 feet up and not shoot at anything. i know for sure i wouldn't, but it's your $15 ;)
Even though I am mainly a P38 cartoon pilot, I will soon find myself buzzing around in the B.XVI. Even if youre at 30K 400 mph, you are still unarmed and you will need to have some balls if youre going to go into enemy territory where the combat action is. Which is precicely what I will be doing. I might even drop down to 20K on the initial pass of a base just to draw some attention and to see how well I can dodge em before getting blown to bits. :D
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I hope HTC puts in a few more cloud layers and some wind layers as well with the release of this Moss.
There is very little penalty in regards to bombing accuracy at high alts, they need to encourage them to stay lower. If you're flying in a bomber at 25K+, you might as well fly offline.
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Did I miss it earlier...what is the service date of this MOSS variant?
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Given their speed I'd think it would be a lot easier to rustle up some escort fighters for a Mossie bomber mission than a normal buff raid. Jets excepted, one or two P-51 or P-47M escort fighters could delay any interceptors long enough for the Mossies to get clean away.
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I hope HTC puts in a few more cloud layers and some wind layers as well with the release of this Moss.
There is very little penalty in regards to bombing accuracy at high alts, they need to encourage them to stay lower. If you're flying in a bomber at 25K+, you might as well fly offline.
I do agree: There should be some degradation in accuracy when bombing from high alt, particularly wind layers would be fun. (And I wouldn't mind getting the old calibration method back in the MA as well :) )
But it's not that 25k buff flying is like offline play. In last tour, I did a lot of long buff runs into enemy territory. I was always flying between 23-30k, but I still was getting air combat (and 17 kills) in 9 out of 12 sorties. An altitude like that just ensured that I was facing not 1-2 fighters at a time only, instead of being jumped by a dozen of them
Given their speed I'd think it would be a lot easier to rustle up some escort fighters for a Mossie bomber mission than a normal buff raid. Jets excepted, one or two P-51 or P-47M escort fighters could delay any interceptors long enough for the Mossies to get clean away.
Too bad the Spit XIV will run out of fuel after 1 sector, would make a perfect companion to the B.XVI otherwise. ;)
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XIV can climb to over 20k then cruise at 330-350 for over 50mins ... if you do it right ;)
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XIV can climb to over 20k then cruise at 330-350 for over 50mins ... if you do it right ;)
You gotta convince the Mossie drivers to slow down for that... :D
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If you're flying in a bomber at 25K+, you might as well fly offline.
+1
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Hee - one of my most memorable sorties was in the Mossie bomber, in Warbirds. Over an hour of playing tag with a Dora, who couldn't let a poor defenseless bomber go land...
He couldn't catch me at altitude, but I really couldn't quite get away.
:)
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just hope the bombsight isnt as bad as the arados
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Im defineatly looking forward to this airplane, i love Ki67s at 30k, i will love mossies at 30k, 410 MPH and a 5k bombload even more!
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just hope the bombsight isnt as bad as the arados
What's bad in the Arado bombsight? It's just the same any bomber has...
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If you're flying in a bomber at 25K+, you might as well fly offline.
pfff. we did an HQ raid the other day, 4 sets B17s at 25k with 8 P47M escorts. we didnt drop the HQ and out of 20 aircraft Pipz was the only one to make it home in his beat up jug :lol
we did claim 9x 163s and a bag of assorted fighters though, was the best ah fun ive had for weeks :D
btw i hear that 38 thingy actually does quite well over 10k ;)
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pfff. we did an HQ raid the other day, 4 sets B17s at 25k with 8 P47M escorts. we didnt drop the HQ and out of 20 aircraft Pipz was the only one to make it home in his beat up jug :lol
we did claim 9x 163s and a bag of assorted fighters though, was the best ah fun ive had for weeks :D
btw i hear that 38 thingy actually does quite well over 10k ;)
that odd looking bomber thing? :noid
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maybe ... :bolt:
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Gonna blow all my precious bomber perkies on Mossie MkXVI formations.............
Can see the HQ raids coming.............. :x
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One thing that I do notice is that the faster the bomber, the harder it is to be accurate. You have much less time to stabilize your speed and calibrate your sight after lining up on the target.
I did some very rough calcs at work today and a Bf109K-4 starting at sea level and climbing at 175mph to 28,500 feet would be about 35 miles behind by the time it reached 28,500ft if they started on exactly the same heading with the Mosquito XVI directly overhead and moving at 408mph. Even with unlimited fuel and WEP it would take over an hour for the Bf109K-4 to make up that ground.
Now, the Mossie XVI will likely have a MIL speed somewhat slower, so the Bf109K-4 with unlimited WEP and fuel would probably overtake it in only about half an hour instead.....
Basically, if you aren't in a jet or rocket, you will need to be lucky or to have planned your intercept.
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^^^^^^
Which is pretty much what happened historically, too.
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Speed and bomb load are awesome, but, what really got my attention was the recipe folder and spice rack. :O
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/mossie164.jpg)
SWchef
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Speed and bomb load are awesome, but, what really got my attention was the recipe folder and spice rack. :O
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/mossie164.jpg)
SWchef
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4800/pillshereq.jpg)
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Speed and bomb load are awesome, but, what really got my attention was the recipe folder and spice rack. :O
SWchef
:rofl
May as well do something while waiting for everyone to try to get up and intercept you, so why not some cooking? At 28k, you only need to get water to 156 F or 70 C to boil. :D
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Funny, they look more like Flares to me. But I am all for cooking something at 30K.
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Basically, if you aren't in a jet or rocket, you will need to be lucky or to have planned your intercept.
It would help if you had radar that showed the altitude of the cons in a certain sector.
Would help in planning an interception. :D