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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kuhn on September 07, 2010, 10:06:31 PM
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Cant wait till the frenchy rides show up. :D
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I also dislike the little pest when it's flown by someone capable and experienced, because unless you are similarly tooled up it means almost certain death. I've been unable to find a counter 1v1 co-alt in the Camel, the Dr1 dances around just outside your reach and eventually pulls in behind. You can re-roll the dice using the vertical for awhile but once at low alt your only real chance is low speed scissors. Unfortunately though the Dr1 stallfights better than anything. So you're utterly depending on the other guy making a mistake... and as he's the one enjoying himself it's far less likely.
Maybe some sort of reverse perk system where the more capable players can't access the triplane? Or a humiliating announcement whenever someone above a certain rank gets a kill in a Dr1...
"PLAYERHANDLE was victorious yet again in his rinky dink noob ride (yawn)
:D
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I certainly don't fly WWI much at all, but I too, with limited knowledge, clearly see the advantages it has.
BUT..... Isn't the highest K/D ratio still the D7?
EDIT: Just looked it up..... WHOA, forget that, the DR1 is double the next best.
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I have been flying the camel lately and I have to say fighting a Dr1 down low on the deck is an almost impossible no win scenario Seņor.
Higher up......say 7 K or more you have a better chance, but alt advantage is your only real chance of winning the fight.
My strategy is to peck them to death from above :D :D :D ....... a stab here, vator there, a PW, a couple holes in the wings, ect.
Victory can be achieved, but you have to be patient and careful not to pull too hard on the stick during any tight maneuvers or you pull off one or both upper wings.
I have done that more times than I would like to admit. :o :o :o
I hope we see some new BnZ planes in the near future.
Good thread,
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Mano
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I hope we see some new BnZ planes in the near future.
The domination of the Dr.I is to a large part result of the special combat environment in AH's WW1 arena. Very low numbers and lack of combat options result in a series of duel-like low altitude 1v1 dogfights for the most part. And that's were a Dr.I excels. When the arena was still full of people, the D.VII fared much better, because there were more opportunities to play it's strengths and don't play the Dr.I's game.
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QFT The D.VII used to have the K/D that the DR1 has now.
The domination of the Dr.I is to a large part result of the special combat environment in AH's WW1 arena. Very low numbers and lack of combat options result in a series of duel-like low altitude 1v1 dogfights for the most part. And that's were a Dr.I excels. When the arena was still full of people, the D.VII fared much better, because there were more opportunities to play it's strengths and don't play the Dr.I's game.
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The d7 can spank the dr1 in a low alt fight..... so can the Camule.....its just harder to do in the Camule. The French planes will just bring the BOOM&ZOOM weenies and a whole new 'wine' to the table. I'll be waiting with cheese and crackers as they plummet from the sky :lol :lol
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lol Wormz I don't think you are the right man for the job (conversely) when it comes to making combat comparisons - based on the fact that you can pretty much take down anyone in anything :salute What I mean to say is, you probably don't get a balanced impression of the relative strengths and weaknesses of one a/c versus another in typical combat, you'd have to go up and spank yourself to get that (and some of us would pay to see that fine display - you don't have a twin brother by any chance I suppose?).
Those of us mere mortals lower down the food chain get a much better picture and the data supports the general consensus; all things being equal the Dr1 rules. So, many choose it as their primary ride, even those who's obvious ability suggest they could do very well in other a/c. What's needed then (in the absence of rectification of the FM or introduction of other a/c) is a ruthless campaign to slander and shame them into changing their ways :old: Or maybe it's ok to use whatever (game) tactic you can to gain victory.... I'd be just as happy with that consensus, in fact it might lead to a more authentic 'feel' to the place; whining about alt monkeys, gang bangers and HO shooters? Gimme a break, who started that rubbish? If a couple want to go off somewhere quiet and make love that's fine by me, but until real bullets come out of the screen and do actual physical damage I'm happy to take whatever anyone dishes out within the scope of the game.
So in conclusion I'm ok for one thing or the other... top guns either need to lose the Dr1's or give the rest of us the go ahead to drop this pretence of 'gentlemans' rules'. I don't mean we should stop being friendly about our endeavours, quite the opposite; just stop being unfriendly (and hypocritical) about our tactics.
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:salute Tusk! and sorry, no twin brother... :lol It would be fun if some how the top dr1 guys , or top Camule guys had to fly other rides. I forced my self to learn each plane and enjoy each for what it iz.I died a lot doing that. Yes, the dr1 spanks the other three pretty much all the time. The pilots level of skill in said dr1 determines how severe that spanking iz.I think when more planes are added, the arena will be a whole new ball game. The dr1 will get picked and flamed as the newer planes boom&zoom it to death. The dr1 hot shots will either learn to cope, or just not fly any more. I cant wait to get the B&Z boys down on the deck and smoke um..... by Camule ,dr1, or what ever i feel like flying.
The beauty of the arena is that it's still so new. I wish more peeps would take the time to learn the planes, and really push their A/C skills.Some of the 1v1's I've had in there have been the absolute best.I :salute every one who ups a funky little fabric covered plane and gives it his best shot. The guy who keeps upping to the better stick. The guy, who with a little help, gets better each week. And the top sticks who help the noob try to get better.
WW1 may never become a huge arena, and that may be a good thing. Till new planes are added...... dr1 is the uber ride.If you dont fly the dr1...let the dr1 stick call u an alt monkey.... stay on top and smoke him :lol :lol
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The d7 can spank the dr1 in a low alt fight..... so can the Camule.....its just harder to do in the Camule. The French planes will just bring the BOOM&ZOOM weenies and a whole new 'wine' to the table. I'll be waiting with cheese and crackers as they plummet from the sky :lol :lol
There are a couple French rides that BnZ quite well. I was thinking more in the line of the Nieuports . No Bnz Tactics work well with those models. BRING ON the Nieuport 17.
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Who started the rumor about the French Planes?
:rolleyes:
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Kuhn......................... ... :bolt: :bolt:
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That's like inviting someone over to have a Banana Split
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_epifs2NN8ao/SE_krX7BMkI/AAAAAAAAASQ/mEKKYIYsRjw/s400/banana_split.gif)
and just when their mouth starts watering.............
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.......you inform them you just ran out of ice cream.
:frown: :frown:
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The domination of the Dr.I is to a large part result of the special combat environment in AH's WW1 arena. Very low numbers and lack of combat options result in a series of duel-like low altitude 1v1 dogfights for the most part. And that's were a Dr.I excels. When the arena was still full of people, the D.VII fared much better, because there were more opportunities to play it's strengths and don't play the Dr.I's game.
LOL Lusche...as I read the forums I notice you have usually got a kinda of sort of got an opposite side taking to everything. It's been a while since I have had a chance to fly in any arena but I was there from the start in WWI and with more peaple in the arena just means I could land alot more kills every sortie b4 fuel ran out in my dr1. It could be asked from anyone in the arena that I have no prob nosing my dr1 into any multi con cloud. At the start it was nothing to land 15 kills on a 25% fuel load. Well...assuming ya make it out of the swarm of bullets first.
As some knows...I have learned the camel and d7 with some decent kills. Bring on some B&Z and they can die as well....or better yet I just join up with worm and we will learn the new crates and start killing with them. LOL...been so long I got to relearn everyting anyway.
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LOL Lusche...as I read the forums I notice you have usually got a kinda of sort of got an opposite side taking to everything. It's been a while since I have had a chance to fly in any arena but I was there from the start in WWI and with more peaple in the arena just means I could land alot more kills every sortie b4 fuel ran out in my dr1. It could be asked from anyone in the arena that I have no prob nosing my dr1 into any multi con cloud. At the start it was nothing to land 15 kills on a 25% fuel load. Well...assuming ya make it out of the swarm of bullets first.
As some knows...I have learned the camel and d7 with some decent kills. Bring on some B&Z and they can die as well....or better yet I just join up with worm and we will learn the new crates and start killing with them. LOL...been so long I got to relearn everyting anyway.
YEAH MAN! :aok :lol :banana: :airplane: :joystick: :rock
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I agree with SCTusk on this one, if you've been playing for 1 week or 1 month, go ahead and fly the DR1. But if you've been around for a while and still fly the DR1 you need to get a grown up plane without training wheels.
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I agree with SCTusk on this one, if you've been playing for 1 week or 1 month, go ahead and fly the DR1. But if you've been around for a while and still fly the DR1 you need to get a grown up plane without training wheels.
Well thanks for telling me how I should enjoy the game :aok will you be paying for my account from now on?
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Nope, why would you ask?
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Nope, why would you ask?
I'm noticing quite a bit of snobbery building in the ww1 arena as regards plane choice. If I wanna fly a DR1 I'll fly it regardless of how long I've been flying tbh I don't see a huge difference between the F1 and DR1 if anything the F1 is more stable and less rudder intensive and its only downside is the view over the top wing in a turn.
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Perv you are one of the few (pun intended) experienced and capable drivers who ups the Dr1 without hypocrasy; you're quite happy to engage under any terms. The fact that you don't see the Dr1 as having any great advantage is irrelevant, and an issue that's already been discussed at length elsewhere. If someone feels threatened by the combination of your good self + Dr1 enough to attack only with an alt advantage, or with a wingman, or blasting away HO then in my experience you simply get on with the job without complaint :salute
You may disagree but the general feeling is that the Dr1 is superior, and certainly any Camel driver will approach 1v1 with caution - a well handled Dr1 will quickly out turn him and there's just nowhere to go from there, either at altitude (Dr1 more robust in the dive) or on the deck (Dr1 seems about 5% quicker in a flat right hand turn). The current grumble concerns a handful of experienced Dr1 pilots who insist on co-alt, 1v1 no-HO-shooting merges..... which for a Camel driver equates to being held in contempt unless he turns up to a boxing tournament with one hand tied behind his back. Gentlemans' rules are fine providing the gentleman making the rules doesn't have a horseshoe in his glove.
I generally don't fly the Dr1 because of traditional squad Allied leanings. If the Sopwith Triplane were available (I believe it was actually superior to the Dr1) I would certainly spend time in it, but I wouldn't expect or demand any favours in combat. As far as I can see, nobody goes in there to give someone else target practice. We all seem to enjoy a good fight but lean towards the win rather than the loss in our preferences. No shame in that. There's also an obvious historical appeal. So I can't see a problem with trying to gain an advantage that would have been historically applicable. Jumping someone from above, maybe out of the sun or while they are otherwise engaged..... a little spoiling attack on a HO merge with a quick burst, these are all valid tactics from a historical perspective.
In general the guys in the WW1 arena seem very friendly. Problem right now is that some of the top Dr1 drivers have come to expect an easy time of it, having bluffed the opposition into giving up their rightful combat options based on some non-historical 'Gentlemans Code'. The sooner we take the gloves off and get stuck in no holds barred the sooner we'll see some fair dinkum knock down drag out fightin', instead of this prissy 'not the face!' slapfest we have at the moment. Here in Australia at least, we leave that stuff to the girls.
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Tusk nailed it.
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In general the guys in the WW1 arena seem very friendly. Problem right now is that some of the top Dr1 drivers have come to expect an easy time of it, having bluffed the opposition into giving up their rightful combat options based on some non-historical 'Gentlemans Code'. The sooner we take the gloves off and get stuck in no holds barred the sooner we'll see some fair dinkum knock down drag out fightin', instead of this prissy 'not the face!' slapfest we have at the moment. Here in Australia at least, we leave that stuff to the girls.
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So a few of the top dr1 sticks have called your flying tactics names, and your upset? Would it make a difference if say,I called some one an alt monkey while I'm flying a d7. Or, don't be a ho bunny while I'm flying a camel? I'm just trying to understand whats really going on here..... If hoing a dr1 is they way peeps think that's their best chance of winning the fight then do it! Keeping an alt advantage is the smart thing to do in any fight... The great dr1 sticks die all the time when fighting each other... I tell peeps all the time ... fly your fight, not the other guys. If some one is fussin on the all channel about how u fly then u have gotten in to their heads with your flying tactics.They'll up again in anger and be an easier kill.... all apart of the game.
I really haven't seen these few call everyone else out on how they fly. Peeps are gonna complain about stuff. We all do. I've found the more you fly a plane the more you learn how to kill it in another. I feared Lghays for a long time... until i learned how to beat them... now their just another plane to shoot down. Same with dr1. Don't let the watermelon talk fight your fight. Fly to win and let the words roll off your back.
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when I come into a battle area and there is a DR1 higher than me I just egress away from it. Unless Im in a DR1 myself, then I might get within 1000 just to get a sense if the guy is any good. Ive been shot down so many times I dont need any more practice at it.
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The general feeling is just that a feeling, I flew the dr1 from the start because I had an interest in it historically. I've flew the camel and dr7 against the dr1 and the same thing is true as any other fight its the pilot not the plane (if anything the dr7 and especially the F1 are much more stable to fly in vertical moves than the DR1) the camel is almost on a par in turn with the DR1. If you think a fight is simply chasing each others tails in a circle then yes you will lose eventually to a better turning plane, but thats true of the MA as well.
I also don't think HTC would put such a limited planeset together if they weren't in different ways equal.
Personally I like the WW1 how it is but from a selfish point of view I'd like more targets, its funny how numbers in an arena build numbers. How could you change the gameplay to attract more targets err players back to the arena? Would be interesting to hear any ideas even if they are a not strictly from an air combat perspective? :salute
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GRIPE GRIPE GRIPE.....Why is there so much griping? Everyone always wanting more. When I started flying online sims i died over and over and over till I finally got a kill. I was getting mad but the rage was just a fuel for me to learn how to win instead of losing. The same principal I and everyone else should use in life. The point being that if ya don't like being ded by some crate then learn how to kill it or get in the same plane and give back what he gave you.....DEATH. If ya fly a plane just for it's historical sense then don't complain if a different crate that you may beleive is better than yours constantly kills ya.
I might have just woke up on the wrong side of the world 2day but the griping is getting old about the dr1. Instead bring it to the air and let it be settled up there.
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So a few of the top dr1 sticks have called your flying tactics names, and your upset?
Upset? Who said anything about being upset? Girls get upset.... :cry
....that's it.... :cry
...now my keyboard's wet.... :cry
...and th5 Flong butt# gRunth$ sh(; .. :cry
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I don't see a huge difference between the F1 and DR1 if anything the F1 is more stable and less rudder intensive and its only downside is the view over the top wing in a turn.
I haven't flown the Dr1, only the Camel. The Dr1 is less stable than the F1?? The F1 is a bobble head. Does that mean the Dr1 randomly spins 720 degrees on its own about all three axes at once??
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I stopped going in the WWI arena because I never see more than three or four players on in it now if that. Maybe a new plane will bring more players in that arena for a time. That was a fun arena.