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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 96Delta on September 13, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
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◊ Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010
◊ Time: 7:30 PM EST (Assembly) → 8:30 PM EST (Launch)
◊ Arena: Titanic Tuesday
◊ Aircraft: B-17G, P-51D, P-51B, P-47M, P-38J/L
◊ Vehicles: N/A
◊ Mission Text: Room (purple)
◊ Mission VOX: Local (restricted) → VOX Channel in Mission Editor
◊ Command VOX: Ventrilo
◊ Target: TBD
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Those registered on the [MoM] alert roster [current count: 238]
will be receiving an activation telegram in a few days containing
additional details and information.
To read about past [MoM] missions, please view our Mission Logs (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Past.php)
linking to the Aces High forums posts for each.
For more information about the Loose Cannons Alliance [LCA]
or the ROOK Missions-of-the-Month [MoM], please visit our website at:
http://www.lcasquadron.org/
:salute
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This looks fun. I want a P38 :aok
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Here's a vid that JG11 made of a previous [MoM] event.
In this mission we had 56 sets of B-17's and 50 fighter
escorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMpZSSjtv6Y
The more that participate, the more of a blast it is!
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Nice looking video and seems to be a pretty cool MA based event :aok
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Everyone I have ever done has been a blast. Looking forward to this one, and very nice to have you back Delta <<S>> :cheers:
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We'll be looking foward to seeing u in the sights. :airplane:
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:aok IN.
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Delta.... Well it's about time is all I can say.. Looking forward to this one.. Flying a little escort this time <<S>>
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Excellent Delta! Have been looking forward to trying this ever since I joined the LCA. Thanks for bringing it back! Most importantly, can't wait to see the awesome teamwork with all the ROOK squads coordinating. This is the MISSION of ALL MISSIONS.
Crush 'em, smash'em, hulk will....
<S>
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Tuesday will be here before we know it. If your not wanting to fly with us, then intercept us. We need those folks as well. Relaxed chaos, it will be fun.
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I love to see these but I always forget when they are scheduled. Please keep this thread on page one as a reminder.
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This looks awesome! Can't wait. :cheers:
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Very nice. Lol looks like I rejoined the game on the right time. :rock
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WE SHALL WAIT HIGH
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Prepare for BATTLE MEN !!!! :joystick: :salute
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And it's a-hard,
it's a-hard,
It's A-Hard,
IT'S A-HARD;
It's a HARD RAIN gonna fall- all-all.
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WE SHALL WAIT HIGH
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Prepare for BATTLE MEN !!!! :joystick: :salute
:rofl :rofl :rofl consider me with ya up there...sure gona be fun :aok
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where do i put my "X"?
i'm in
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Save two 38s for Strokes and I... we're still looking for good (you don't really have to be good in a 38) 38 sticks.
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So Bishop are the only country with a MOM forum? Why do I need to see this chit?
:D
:salute
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MOM!!!! i missed you so much :cry :cry :cry
Glad your back :cheers:
For those of you who dont know...........for the opposite side...mom can be a real bitc#..... :devil
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Tick toc, tick toc....5 days and counting. 47's, 51's or take a bomber and have some fun. :cheers:
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Hehe, this make me want to start the Bishop MoM again. :lol Delta im gonna PM you.
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i'll be waiting to killlll the rook MoM... make sure you attack the bishops :t i know ill take out 3-10 at least :devil
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It's been so long, I have almost forgotten what MoM looked like....see you on the 21st.
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It's been so long, I have almost forgotten what MoM looked like....see you on the 21st.
same. hopefully to kill the MoM
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Not sure who we'll target but I have a small request
for whoever is opposing us.
Please oppose us in AXIS aircraft so we can enjoy
the immersion factor we're striving for....preferably in 262's
...they go into the box...but never come out. :neener:
And a hearty thank you to those who have signed up
on the MoM Alert List, you should be receiving an activation
'telegram' later this evening → along with all the other
alert list registrants, all 243 of you! :cool:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM.php
And finally, if you're planning to join, please be sure to join one of the
posted missions quickly as the number of fighter slots is indexed against
the number of bomber positions occupied. If we have a lot of bombers, we
will have many fighters. I watch the mission rosters carefully to
achieve the best ratio between the two.
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i will be high in my German iron waiting to deliver some tater salad :devil
and think out side of the Box, stragglers come first
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i'll be waiting to killlll the rook MoM... make sure you attack the bishops :t i know ill take out 3-10 at least :devil
I doubt they will be that brave. HeHe I've got to get more perkies for 262s.
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I doubt they will be that brave. HeHe I've got to get more perkies for 262s.
I'll just most likely fly my pony. ive never been able to get the 30mm's range and attack angle down. and they'll know ill be the pony.
I WILL BE THE ONLY P51 WITH THOSE 262S!!!!
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Not sure who we'll target but I have a small request for whoever is opposing us.
Please oppose us in AXIS aircraft so we can enjoy
the immersion factor we're striving for...
I'll be sure to rally the 49th, KN, and (+) precision in defense on the 21'st. If I have time, I'll fit them out with the WGr21 rocket sight, and get them some practice just to be mean.
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So the 125th Spartan Warriors will be attending this MoM. We can guarantee 4 slots but may have 6 attend (2 are unsure and will be sparatic) so fill us in and let us know what's available to us. thanks
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125th Spartan Warriors
SWkiljoy
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So the 125th Spartan Warriors will be attending this MoM. We can guarantee 4 slots but may have 6 attend (2 are unsure and will be sparatic) so fill us in and let us know what's available to us. thanks
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125th Spartan Warriors
SWkiljoy
Plenty of slots for all the aircraft we are flying. Your choice. :rock
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ill even switch my crew over to knights if you choose to attack them just so we can kill you all
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ill even switch my crew over to knights if you choose to attack them just so we can kill you all
just need that one night for Bish and Knits to work together to bring them all down, call it a truce for one night :D imagine what a Titanic Tuesday that would be
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it would be Pure WAR!!!!
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just need that one night for Bish and Knits to work together to bring them all down, call it a truce for one night :D imagine what a Titanic Tuesday that would be
Curious idea....I had been ruminating about roughly the same
thing...a truce between the BISHOPS and the ROOKS to decimate
the Knights...
GREric...what ya think? :devil
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Hehe, I like the sound of that. We could plan something out, I think it will be very cool. But first what about our old plan, you remmber?
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49th FG, and (+) precision will be on stand-by for interception of your bombers.
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Curious idea....I had been ruminating about roughly the same
thing...a truce between the BISHOPS and the ROOKS to decimate
the Knights...
GREric...what ya think? :devil
lol thats a monthy happening in the MA's
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:airplane:
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Hehe, I like the sound of that. We could plan something out, I think it will be very cool. But first what about our old plan, you remmber?
Hi Eric,
Yes, I remember but I want to hold off on that until
we get this established again. I'm not sure what kind of
turnout we're going to have so I'm kind of playing off
of that for the moment.
...But I DO remember. :airplane: :D
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Nothing like sending out a bogus mission to confuse the enemy....but believe me...we shall intercept either way!! :rock :devil
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;)
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Hi Eric,
Yes, I remember but I want to hold off on that until
we get this established again. I'm not sure what kind of
turnout we're going to have so I'm kind of playing off
of that for the moment.
...But I DO remember. :airplane: :D
Hehe :D Good, I will help out alot to make this MoM one of the biggest and most fun on ever. :devil Cant wait.
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what time will the MoM start? i may not be able to make it due to housework ive been ignoring :cry
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7:30 PM EST (Assembly) → 8:30 PM EST (Launch)
4:30 PM PST (Assembly) → 5:30 PM PST (Launch)
I think im correct. ^^
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7:30 PM EST (Assembly) → 8:30 PM EST (Launch)
4:30 PM PST (Assembly) → 5:30 PM PST (Launch)
I think im correct. ^^
That is correct.
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1 day warning!!
Can't wait to get those who sign up for the High B-17 Flight up and Combat Boxed. We will rain destruction!
(I claim dibs on the dog owned by whom ever gets that dreaded tail end charlie position. He's such a cute little Pug)
-Smkn-
Leading the "91'st Bomb Group (High)"
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I hate German iron, but I will fly one for you, German Tater Salad isnt that bad you know.... :D
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1 day warning bump :rock
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Nemisis, 321BAR, I'll be waitin on ya guys in my 17's. :devil I expect proper setups from you guys! No excuses! :aok :salute
If I recall correctly, the standard German attack plan was, the 109's would engage the escorts and the 190's would be tasked with intercepting bombers. As such, the 190 pilots were ordered to NOT engage allied escorting fighters. Maybe someone will be able to clarify? I can't remember where I read that, it's been so long. :headscratch:
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Nemisis, 321BAR, I'll be waitin on ya guys in my 17's. :devil I expect proper setups from you guys! No excuses! :aok :salute
If I recall correctly, the standard German attack plan was, the 109's would engage the escorts and the 190's would be tasked with intercepting bombers. As such, the 190 pilots were ordered to NOT engage allied escorting fighters. Maybe someone will be able to clarify? I can't remember where I read that, it's been so long. :headscratch:
Thats good to know. :D Rooks good luck youll need it. This will be great, cant wait.
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Nemisis, 321BAR, I'll be waitin on ya guys in my 17's. :devil I expect proper setups from you guys! No excuses! :aok :salute
If I recall correctly, the standard German attack plan was, the 109's would engage the escorts and the 190's would be tasked with intercepting bombers. As such, the 190 pilots were ordered to NOT engage allied escorting fighters. Maybe someone will be able to clarify? I can't remember where I read that, it's been so long. :headscratch:
Im still flying my moosetang. either that or my 110. bleh you know that 110s are buff hunters, dont whine :rolleyes:
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OK 321BAR, we've got 3 squadrons taking part in the defense, and I'll see how many we can scrape up at the time with a mission, but don't expect more than 30 fighters, even with some luck on my part.
We'll be upping assorted 190's and 109's, maybe some of KN with ta-152's for levening.
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We are going to round up a few brave P38 pilots. :t
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I would like to request that everyone here attempt to supress the porking that usually goes on. Not much good if the best bases have FH's, ords, and drop tanks disabled.
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Won't know what country we are attacking until about an
hour before we launch. But since Nemesis is working to
provide a defense I'm leaning towards hitting Knights,
but the map will ultimately decide.
The last thing I want is a milk run. Our pilots are
thirsty for combat! :joystick:
Depending on the circumstances and ROOK turnout,
I plan to announce the target country on 200 after
we are at combat altitude.
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12 hour bump. See you fellas in the air :cheers:
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120 plane horde :rolleyes:
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Bring in to knitland, bro.
We'll be up.
:airplane:
:airplane:
:airplane:
:airplane:
Nice vid. ;)
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Ahhhhhh Knightland!?! The Bishop MoM Force was gonna take you down!!! Lol can wait, 7 hours.
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well i fly knight so either way ill be up looking for the swarm, looks to be a fun time :salute
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if i get back in time ill round up my squad for either nit or bish defense. this will be one of very few times our crew will gladly switch to another country. So if you see a few p51s in the air next to about 30 other planes trying to stop your 120 plane horde, then it is a fair fight :t
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if i get back in time ill round up my squad for either nit or bish defense. this will be one of very few times our crew will gladly switch to another country. So if you see a few p51s in the air next to about 30 other planes trying to stop your 120 plane horde, then it is a fair fight :t
I have ordered our legions to target all P-51's
engaging our group for immediate and unrelenting
destruction. :t
Come in allied aircraft and get hunted aggressively. :devil
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Im still flying my moosetang. either that or my 110. bleh you know that 110s are buff hunters, dont whine :rolleyes:
Pony's taste like chicken, 110's are crunchy. BRING IT! :salute :rofl (get's knocked down with a single rocket) Bah, at least I knew you were there! :lol
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:rofl i feel wanted...
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I have ordered our legions to target all P-51's
engaging our group for immediate and unrelenting
destruction. :t
Come in allied aircraft and get hunted aggressively. :devil
You will spend the rest of the war in bish POW camp,chewing beans;
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Really, really, really hoping to make it up for this tonight, likely on the side of the defense. Please post what country you'll be attacking at some point so I know which country to join up with. At the very least I can absorb some bullets that might otherwise have hit a good fighter pilot...
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Hopefully my client won't crash 2 times an hour. Happened yesterday...*sigh* Definitely want to be there when we are intercepted. :x 321, is that a squirrel with a Bazooka??? Looks like HiTech has added some hit men as I think it was those guys who got me. They use SA-2's... :noid
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I haven't run one of these for the past 14 months.
I'm just crossing my fingers hoping that we get
a good ROOK turnout in bombers.
And yes, I plan to give an indication of some sort
of what country's airspace we will be violating. :eek:
ghi, would these be Fava beans? :uhoh
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Wow 14 months. Didn't realize it has been that long.
This is the first screenshot I ever took, and was from the first MoM.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/down262.jpg)
See ya in a few hours. :x
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im gonna take a bomber....first one Ive been able to make :)
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We should get ThunderEGG to post a B-17 mission to intercept and have a battle ship on battle ship engagement :x I think I will try those 110's air to air rockets. Hope to see you in my gunsights tonight 4 hours and drooling. :bolt:
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1 Hour bumb! :rock
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Hitting bish or knights?
perdweeb
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Keep in mind, we only have 3 partial squadrons confirming they will help out. Realisticly, I expect no more than 25 fighters, while I may hope for 30-35.
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<S> MoM pilots. It was a real blast. Got 3 of your B-17's out of the main group. Maybe we can do this again if both sides had fun. Already made some notes on what does and doesn't work, and plan on being better organized next time.
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Had a blast! :rock
Was glad I stayed up that long for a hefty dose of rare & challenging high altitude combat.
:salute
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My first MoM, and I really enjoyed it. Well done all.
<S>
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Great times.
Was a BIT dissapointed to see a flight of 4 p-51's (at 30k no less) engage the group as the bombers climbed out.
That and the 4 262's that tried to vulch the returning bombers as they sat and lined up for a end-of-MoM screenshot.
Hope next month we get even MORE numbers.
-Smkn-
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Great times.
Was a BIT dissapointed to see a flight of 4 p-51's (at 30k no less) engage the group as the bombers climbed out.
That and the 4 262's that tried to vulch the returning bombers as they sat and lined up for a end-of-MoM screenshot.
Hope next month we get even MORE numbers.
-Smkn-
that 4 ponies better not be us :headscratch:
The 20th FG had 7 :lol and we all attacked you at 35k. we knew the odds were against us but we gladly fought to the death and dragged approx 15 fighters with us to the deck :t
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That was very fun, I counted 34 bombers in mission but more joined after it took off, and 20+ fighters. It was great, my bombers made it home with only abit of damage. That was a great MoM, well organized and controled. I cant wait for the next one, and to host my Bishop MoM.
Oh btw I have a full video of the whole MoM Mission, if anyone wants a copy.
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I was lucky throughout the mission. I kept seeing planes come at me and suddenly they'd hit the guy next to me. Many times I saw enemy planes whizz past me real close, heard the guns but no damage. Did hear a few pings but nothing tragic. Made it home and stayed airborne around the filed as guys landed. Lost 2 drones to 262s bent on landing vulches, but ended up landing ok.
Great work Delta, I hope I can make the next one.
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<S> too all who flew the MoM, had a great time defending against it, that sucks about the 262's tho, what dweebs
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Had a great time. I've got film up until the time I had to bail, will try and get some screenshots up later. Flew a 109K4, weaved and dodged through the escorts getting off a couple of snapshots, had a 38 about 800 yds back at one point that got a few light pings in as I dodged, then a 51 overshot after getting a ping or two in. That left me at the same alt and behind the buffs, so had to do the really nasty straight-6 run. Shot down 1 B-17 and pinged another before oil damage, a pilot wound, and no ammo had me turn for home. Had to bail near A53 as my plane slowly lost control.
The giant formations of B-17s with swarming escorts elicited some fun "Holy $#@$#" calls over Vox :D
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what dweebs
... and mass formations of buffs at 30k with 35-40k escorts isnt dweeby? :headscratch:
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... and mass formations of buffs at 30k with 35-40k escorts isnt dweeby? :headscratch:
Hey, this game can get stale after awhile, like it or not , the MOM's breath in some new life to this game .
Besides it is the closest that some get to experiance an FSO, only in FSO you have no DAR bar to find the enemy. Love the aluminium overcast and seeing everyone zip around dogfighting! :salute 96Delta.....good to have you back!
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... and mass formations of buffs at 30k with 35-40k escorts isnt dweeby? :headscratch:
When checking my 50 minutes of film, I found that the reports about altitudes of both bombers as well as their escorts had been grossly exaggerated for the most part. Even by myself.
In AH at high altitude, more distant cons often seem to be way above you while in fact they are just slightly higher.
The bombers actually had been between 23-26 (their target level being 25k obviously, very few of the fighters that tried to bounce me had been higher than 30k (most Ponies were well below 30 before engaging, only a small flight of P-38 happened to be 30-36k)
The main bomber group shortly after hitting their target:
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/658/closetotarget.jpg)
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:salute
To all who set this up.
Had a great time attacking your bomber formations and fending off escorts.
Already looking forward to the next one.
-Honcho-
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My 3rd MoM, always a good time. We decided to fly against the bombers this time instead of with them. I lost my 262 at 32K to carrier ack without any warning. Yes I was pissed and yes I'm whining about it. 1 shot 1 kill and I'm in the tower.
Finished attacks with JUGS and 190's and had a blast. :x
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I found that the reports about altitudes of both bombers as well as their escorts had been grossly exaggerated for the most part. Even by myself.
awww if i'd known that I would have scrambled some interceptors :( the reports I was seeing (from people whos intel I trust) were muuch higher. 25k buffs with 30k escort isnt too bad, at least some planes are still maneuverable at 30k.
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Damn Dragon, Id have thrown my fist thru the screen.
Chock another one up for the robots.
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Thank you Delta. I had a great time.
Thank you P-51 escorts for taking the trip. You guys did a great job. Was very fun to lead you fellas, and you guys made it easy on me.
For the guys that called us a dweeby hoard......well......we came in at 25K and gave you a weeks notice before we were going to do it. There was no hiding or hoarding. But some folks will call anything over three planes a hoard.
I know it was a lot of work for you Delta, but everyone that I have seen or talked to, that flew with us or against us had a great time. Thank you for the hard work :salute
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awww if i'd known that I would have scrambled some interceptors :( the reports I was seeing (from people whos intel I trust) were much higher. 25k buffs with 30k escort isnt too bad, at least some planes are still maneuverable at 30k.
Honestly, I wouldn't even had complained if they had been higher.
Getting altitude is about the only chance they have to get to the strategic targets deep behind the enemy lines and getting back.
We could see how they were swarmed with fighters, if they had been at a supposed altitude of 15k only, they would have never stood a chance of getting near their target even.
Yes, I believe that it there should be a chance of success for both sides :old:
And btw: Escorts suffer from the same problems as the interceptors do at very high altitudes. If you are an escort hovering at 36k over the buffs and simply drop down on a 30k interceptor like you are used at usual MA altidudes, you will be in for a surprise ;)
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I'm betting quite a few players learnt about compression last night :D
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HAHAHA, MonkGF. :cheers:
I remember your 109k4 run nearly perfectly. Mainly because us buffs were cat-calling you on vox because of the fast dead-six attack and the 109 tag.. We were all amazed that you made it through with both wings attached. <S> Sir for bravery. :airplane:
High Bomb group was set at 25k, With Low group at 23k. The LCA didn't want to bring them all up to orbit altitude, even if ment a greater survivabilty. The object was to have fun, on both sides. Either being apart of the bombers and looking on with worried brow at 7 190's setting up a slashing attack. :uhoh (Which was DAMN frightening as it was professional) Or being one of the attackers, looking at 112 bombers with escorts and wondering "I'm supposed to shoot at THAT?!" :bolt:
The next MoM is in the works. Hopefully we'll get past 100 participants this time. (Which... given what we're thinking of doing, is going to be freaking AWESOME!!!!!)
<S>
-Smkn-
(Oh, and as a request to anyone who recorded the bomber attack. Could you see what killed me and my drone right AFTER the drop? Had just popped out of the bomb sight and closed the doors when I was missing my tail and my drone was nowhere. Did I get bombed by my own? Or just got lucky and bulls-eyed by a flak?)
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When checking my 50 minutes of film, I found that the reports about altitudes of both bombers as well as their escorts had been grossly exaggerated for the most part. Even by myself.
In AH at high altitude, more distant cons often seem to be way above you while in fact they are just slightly higher.
The bombers actually had been between 23-26 (their target level being 25k obviously, very few of the fighters that tried to bounce me had been higher than 30k (most Ponies were well below 30 before engaging, only a small flight of P-38 happened to be 30-36k)
The main bomber group shortly after hitting their target:
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/658/closetotarget.jpg)
my crew of 7 hit the escorts and we were all at 35k feet. i dove two grand due to maneuver problems at alt and we had a form of 10 ponies 6k out HIGHER than us. we hit some planes around 27k and me and one of my squaddies climbed back to 32k and 7=5 38s and 47s were there still ABOVE us. those 38s werent a problem for us 51 attackers though but those 47N/Ms :rolleyes: add the 10 51s in and we got smashed...
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HAHAHA, MonkGF. :cheers:
The next MoM is in the works. Hopefully we'll get past 100 participants this time. (Which... given what we're thinking of doing, is going to be freaking AWESOME!!!!!)
Yes the next MoM Mission is in the planning. Cant wait, im sure and hope we can get over 100 people in it next time.
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Was a lot of fun as expected, thanks to the leadership on all sides for their efforts. A recording or transcript of comms from both sides would be fun to have, if our calls in the high bomber group were any indication. Similar to the soundtrack from '12 Oclock High' and 'Memphis Bell'. Looking forward to the next one, thanks to everyone who participated.
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AFTER ACTION REPORT
Mission No. 5
Tuesday, 21 SEP 2010
OPERATION HARD RAIN
Thanks for attending guys. I'm very glad that everyone
seems to have had a good time. Sure, it's fun for me to participate
but my main objective is to make sure everyone has fun on both sides
of the battle so we can continue to build interest and increase
involvement in future [MoMs]. The bigger the better!
Last night was quite a clash. We launched the bombers in three
waves to form three bomber groups, the 91st, 381st and 398th,
corresponding to high-mid-low group positions respectively.
I was in the last group to launch, the low bomber group.
The fighter group consisted of the 383rd Fighter Squadron in P-8L's,
the 487th Fighter Squadron in P-47M's and the 352nd Fighter
Squadron in P-51D Mustangs.
While we were taking off I looked skyward and saw a swarm of
black dots above us; our P-51 escorts overhead providing cover
for us as we lumbered to our target altitude of 23,000 feet.
It was a comforting site to see our "little friends" shepherding
us while we were so low and vulnerable.
As I looked at the map I could clearly see the three
groups as tight masses of green dots clawing themselves
upward, still climbing in ther bombers towards the rally
point; still not at a defensible altitude and not yet grouped
together. Fragmented, low, vulnerable.
Then the red dots began to appear.
At first we were met by 4 P-51D mustangs that I presume
were captured aircraft employed by KG.200 as a ploy to
get into the bomber formations and cause some mischief.
These were quickly followed by reports of 262's, Fw190's and
Me109's. Before long the lead group was under attack
while they were still climbing to their assigned altitude
of 25 thousand feet. Being in the last group to take off,
we saw very little enemy contact but the guys up front
were already getting hit!
The radio soon began to crackle with excited calls of "262,
two 262's closing in fast!" Then "swarms of 190's above us!"
I saw bombers falling from the sky without a wing and
enemy fighters coming apart as they dared attack a B-17
from the six o'clock position. Fighter escorts were
claiming victories and did an excellent job of defending
the bombers. Most stayed with the bombers but some
of our escorts were seduced low in pursuit if enemy
fighters. Despite these few who couldn't detach themselves
from their prey, I couldn't ask for more from our brave
little friends who had to fight the enemy AND manage their
scarce fuel and ammunition supply! Well done!
Judging from the reports that I was getting back from
group and squadron commanders, the defense was well
organized and was attacking in waves. To hear the
descriptions of some of these attacks, they seemed
coordinated and highly determined, reminding me of the
eyewitness accounts offered by 8th USAAF bomber pilots
and crew.
And we were still only half way to the target.
Looking at the map, it seemed that the progression of the
lead bomber group had been halted, as if they had
bumped up against an invisible wall of resistance.
It was wierd. It appeared to my bloodshot eyes
as though the lead bomber group had actually turned around!
I was beginning to fear the worst; that we wouldn't even make it
to the target without being decimated by enemy fighters.
"Maybe we should have gone higher", I thought.
Eventually though, the 381st and 398th reached the 91st BG
and we were finally able to establish our vertical box
formation at our designated altitudes. Finally, mercifully,
we could make our turn towards the target, fully formed into
a three thousand foot high wall of steel bristling with
50-caliber widow makers, surrounded by ravenous eagles.
Thankfully too, my fears of utter annihilation turned out
to be exaggerated.
When I queried the group and squadron commanders for a
SitRep and strength report I was informed that relatively
few bombers had been lost. Judging from the VOX traffic
and the map it seemed otherwise. I let out a great
sigh of relief as I realized that the bulk of our force
was intact and loaded for bear.
We still had a chance.
Traveling west towards the Knight industrial center,
we were being met by what seemed to be a steady stream
of enemy combatants, some of them from KG.200 again in
P-51s, P-47's and a lone report of an LA-7! (sigh)
Still, the clear majority of opposition were in 190's,
109's, 110's and 262's and a couple of Italian C.202's.
To those brave Knight pilots I offer a hearty salute
and my deepest respects for keeping the theme of the
night intact so everyone involved could get the smallest
sense of the experience confronted by our grandfathers
in that grueling conflict.
As we continued on our westerly course, the strength
of enemy fighter opposition suddenly dropped off
compelling one bomber pilot to quip, "that was their last
wave". Indeed, it felt like we had braved the brunt of a
massive storm and had finally emerged out of the darkness
into clearing skies. It was still raining though, but the
downpour of enemy hail had somewhat abated. Whew.
Just in time.
The target was now fast approaching and we had to open our bomb
bay doors and get into our Norden bomb sites. By this time many of
us had acquired a dedicated gunner from among our casualties
and they couldn't have been more welcome as enemy fighters
were circling, waiting for us to begin the bomb run and
become most vulnerable.
I didn't see any flak over the target which was very
surprising as I had received intel that the flak would be
dense over such a vital strategic asset. It might have
be present and perhaps I was so focused I didn't see any.
Who knows, perhaps we were experiencing some much-needed
luck or maybe the 16-year-old flak gunners had fled to the
shelters. Whatever the reason, it was a welcome development.
3-2-1, "bombs away" reports punctuated VOX, "what direction
do we turn after bomb drop?" "Turn Right", came the replies,
"and head to A25". Now fragmented, the bomber group struggled
to resume a close defensive formation. Our fighter escorts
had been fragmented too, whittled down by enemy fighters,
low ammunition and fuel shortages.
We began to egress but the enemy would not let us escape without
a protracted fight. Again, Fw190's, 262's and other German plans
pursued us and snipped at the stragglers. We began to descend
to a lower altitude to assist returning fighter escorts
in getting to us so they could repel the heel biting
Knights.
Returning to base, we were lining up on the tarmac for a
group photo when some tenacious, suicidal Knight
pilots decided they couldn't resist strafing the field.
They traded perkies for scorn as they swooped down in
262's bent on revenge. I have their names but cannot
reveal them as we have sent an assassination team to Knightland
to hunt these vermin down and dispatch them to the final
adjudication location. You know who you are.
Reviewing the battle, approximately 60% of our bomber force
returned to base. I don't have any debriefs from the fighter
groups so no data on their disposition is available.
STEALTH of the 777th Heaven's Demons compiled the following
data for us after most of us had landed (or been vulched).
Bomb Damage Assessment:
City - 11%
Refinery - 75%
Radar Factory - 58%
Troop Training - 72%
Bomb Damage Points Landed: 31,238
Enemy Fighters Destroyed (landed): 24
Total Mission Duration: 97 minutes
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For this [MoM] I flew mostly with icons off as this helped
immerse me in the World War II experience a bit deeper.
This approach isn't for everyone. It makes the challenge of
defending yourself much harder but it's much more realistic
in my opinion. And, since I recorded over 4 DVDs worth of FRAPS
last night, no icons will make for a much more interesting
movie that I'm planning to produce to promote greater
[MoM] participation.
Next Mission
The next [MoM] will be the toughest mission yet and will
test the mettle of even the bravest bomber and fighter pilots
as never before. We expect the mission to be exceptionally
dangerous and the loss of life high. The feint of heart need
not apply. Mission success and your survival will require the
highest order of discipline, teamwork and piloting skill.
Error will result in death.
This [MoM] is based on a historical event.
Details to be posted sometime next month.
To receive an alert with mission particulars before the
[MoM], please register on our [MoM] Alert List at
the following link. By subscribing, you'll make
certain that you never miss your MoM. :)
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http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM.php
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Any screen shots from last night? I was in the vicinity but didn't see the mission, what can I say I'm a sucker for a low alt furball. :)
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was great fun, we initially concentrated on killing the fighters before attacking the buffs...all was going well for me till I had a CTD!...however..that would not stop me! I re upped and shot down some stragglers
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JG11 flew Ta-152's last night. Here is one view...
(http://kenshelby.us/images/buffs-05.jpg)
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Had a great time last night defending! I only wish that I didn't disco in my P-51D at 20k. But after 5 min of having to reset my connection I upped a 109k and got shot down by the escorts. Lol
Great fun though. :rock
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Actually 96delta, most of were in ta 152's. Seemed only right that we all up in german rides to fight the advancing allies :banana: I myself only landed 2 kills. 75% and a drop tank and drop tank and i still ran out of gas tryin to get to you all. P-47 M's just wouldnt let up though. I myself had to bob and weave from top to bottom through 1000 feet of boxed up bombers while one was chasin me. I'm surprised i never collided. It was fun though. KN and friends will definitely be there next month for the next one. :salute salute allied dweebs
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Ya'know Jonah, one of the things I was most worried about
(aside from not getting enough bomber pilots) was whether
pilots would opt to fly in the P-47 group as in the past
those slots have been hard to fill.
Imagine my surprise when the 'Jug" slots filled to
capacity quickly, in fact, before any of the other
fighter slots.
That was a bit of a welcome but unexpected surprise.
By all accounts, the Jugs didn't disappoint! :salute
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Salute :salute 96Delta, Hightone (My Squadron leader for the P-51 escorts) and all those who made it a great event.
The only problem was our squadron being based farther from the target than the bombers. We should have flown to a frontline base and refueled for the flight.
We burnt through both our drop tanks before seeing any real opposition. We stayed with the lead bomber group and almost compressed chasing 190's as they dove away but stayed on point to protect our bombers. When I heard that was the last wave of enemy fighters and bombers opened doors over the target I headed for the nearest base that was still three sectors away. Many pilots had to ditch in the sea on the way back including Hightone. Conserving fuel I counted down the gallons and set a glide slope managing to reach the shore of a friendly Island. My fuel ran out and knowing I could not reach the runway of the nearby field I searched for a place to touch down. The road leading into a town was my only hope. I set her down gently on the road with no damage except the bullet holes from many encounters with the 190's. A passing jeep picked me up and drove me back to base as I wondered the fate of my comrades.
I owe my life to that rugged 51. :D
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(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1065/152vsbufhoarde.jpg)
No kills
No collisions
No left wing (shortly after pic)
Sweet screenshot :aok
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Any screen shots from last night? I was in the vicinity but didn't see the mission, what can I say I'm a sucker for a low alt furball. :)
I'm hoping to get some time tonight to go through my film and post a photo diary.
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Bombers were formed up nicely the few stragglers got picked off. The escorts did very well. I was chased down and away by 2 p-47ms but they made the ultimate sacrifice for the bombers.
Was really fun though :salute
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96Delta, do you mind if we make this a regular thing? We had a good turnout for defenders, being assisted by the 125th Spartans, Kamandos Nowotony, and 582nd Kokutai, along with pilots of various groups. We were a little hampered by organization, but thats something we can work to improve on.
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:D It is a regular thing, every month there should be a MoM Mission, Delta leads the Rook MoM and I lead the Bishop MoM, no Knight MoM yet (untill someone starts it). By the way I have some more pic from 96Delta's wing.
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/EverRun/pic3.png)
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/EverRun/pic2.png)
(http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt139/EverRun/pic1.png)
I have the full video of all 59 min of the mission. Ill post more pics if people want.
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Yes, I know (mission of the month). I'm asking if it would be fine if I were to organize defenders every month. I'll try to cull out the dweebs that would take a P-51, or a P-47 (no offense BAR), but I can't guarantee anything.
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Hey I think that would be really cool, its alright with me, I bet it would be cool with 96Delta too. It would make it alot more funnier for everyone. btw what country are you with?
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Currently, we are Knit, but we cycle through the countries. Not sure how long we're in rotation with the knits, it may be 8 months, it may be 3 weeks.
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Our squad has been organizing and participating in intercept and escort missions on TT lately. We have a couple of guys that are really good at mission planning, and we always fly knights. I will run it past the guys and see if there is any interest in planning something monthly. I will either post a response here, or one of them will. <S>
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Our squad has been organizing and participating in intercept and escort missions on TT lately. We have a couple of guys that are really good at mission planning, and we always fly knights. I will run it past the guys and see if there is any interest in planning something monthly. I will either post a response here, or one of them will. <S>
I think that would be really cool, the Knights need a MoM Event. If you guys need any help just ask, we can also send you some graphics for ads and stuff.
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Yes, I know (mission of the month). I'm asking if it would be fine if I were to organize defenders every month. I'll try to cull out the dweebs that would take a P-51, or a P-47 (no offense BAR), but I can't guarantee anything.
:rolleyes: P51s :D gotta love those 6 .50s
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MonkGF Debrief, Knight Interceptor Force
Joined the official intercept mission, grabbing a 109-K4. Take off was sweet:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/takeoff.jpg)
Unfortunately while trying to form up with the spread out interceptors, an enemy CV tried to take potshots at us:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/cvack.jpg)
Heading in I completely missed the first wave of buffs flying by underneath. Yes, that's just the FIRST wave:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/missedbuffs.jpg)
Ah, there are some targets!
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/foundbuffs.jpg)
"Paging Lusche, paging Lusche. Is there a Mr. Lusche in the house?". Not that I really care, I was up there as well, and nothing to do about it until AH2 starts dealing better with crew freezing and oxygen failure and stuff, but there WERE escorts up near 40k:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/HighEscorts.jpg)
Ah, an escort to try and kill!
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/killescort_1.jpg)
No, buffs are the number one target, leave the escorts alone, they can't hit the target!
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/backtobuffs_1.jpg)
Ooooo, shiny!
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/killescort_2.jpg)
No no no no no, kill the buffs, stupid!
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/backtobuffs_2.jpg)
Now I've managed to pick myself up a couple of trailers. Had a total of 2 38s try for me at long range, and one P-51 came flying through at one point and pinged me but overshot:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/trailers.jpg)
Finally picked out my target as I'm sideslipping trying to throw off the aim of the guys trying to get me. Tracers were flying past here off and on for like 30 seconds. And of course all my target indecision means I'm co-alt with everybody and now stuck with the dangerous six approach to the buffs rather than the slashing diving attack I could have started with. Or I just could have stuck with trying to pick off escorts. But hey, it's only a virtual life:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/inthemiddle.jpg)
Trailers are gone, now its just me and OddCAF:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/inonbuff.jpg)
Set the lead plane on fire:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/onedown.jpg)
Woops, no ammo, blood over the canopy, leaking oil, time to skeedaddle:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/imhit.jpg)
And after my plane starts a graceful dive turn to the right, it's time to abandon ship:
(http://www.gstelmack.com/ah2/mom1/bailout.jpg)
This was a lot of fun, I'll be looking for future MoMs to get involved in.
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Great screenshots guys!
Thanks for sharing.
And I love the commentary Monk! :lol
:salute
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I got a couple screen shots of this event about 30 showing just how big this mission was. For a moment the column of the massive raid fighters and bombers was 75miles long. Check out the images in the photo gallery at. www.777thfg.webs.com (http://www.777thfg.webs.com) Great MoM 96Delta and to everyone who help make it.
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Well, those screenshots confirm that it was a pair of Rook CVs trying to screw with the interceptors and protect the buff's initial entry into Knight airspace. Next time we'll have to sink those before intercepting.
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Both of those CV's were in about the possition I'd expect if they had either just taken the base, were skirting the coast to avoid detection, or getting in possition for an attack. I'd give the rooks the BOTD on this one.
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:rock
GREAT MISSION! Had a great time. lots of fun!
hats off to tarstar as 38 leader :salute
Gotta love guys who dont check their "6" as they try to catch the bombers...lol ( surprise! huh? Boom.)
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Both of those CV's were in about the possition I'd expect if they had either just taken the base, were skirting the coast to avoid detection, or getting in possition for an attack. I'd give the rooks the BOTD on this one.
Sorry, yeah, not accusing anyone of anything, more tongue-in-cheek. There was a huge fight going on in the area and I'm sure these were there supporting it, as there was also a Knight CV or two in the area. This was more something not really considered by the interceptors, and needs to be factored in next time. We lost at least one to the ack, and I took a ping trying to get out of it. If we'd been grouped like we should have been, it could have been much worse and been pretty detrimental to the actual MoM.
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Just a heads-up.
I've already begun work on the next [MoM] and
it's going to be more than just another bomber raid.
The next mission will be a historical recreation of the
8th Air Force's second raid on Schweinfurt, Germany
that occured on Thursday, October 14, 1943, a date
that would forever become known as "Black Thursday".
This coming October 14th, 2010 will mark the 67th Anniversary of
what has been called "the most savage air battle ever fought"
so the next [MoM] will be two days earlier, on Tuesday, October 12
to remember and honor the brave men who fought and those who
died during that epic battle.
Obviously, I'm going to need a great many bomber pilots
to pull this off. Just as important, opposition aircraft should be
Luftwaffe aircraft. This isn't just a mission guys, we're trying
to commemorate something solemn so please stick to the theme
when selecting your aircraft.
More to come. :salute
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:salute
Great Idea 96Delta
Question will Allies be using 1943 fighters or will you be using late war escorts agian?
-Honcho-
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Great Idea 96Delta
Question will Allies be using 1943 fighters or will you be using late war escorts agian?
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I've been struggling with that.
Most of the losses during that mission were attributable
to ack and air-to-air rockets. I'm sure that the opposition will
be launching 262's and Ta152's to counter the strike
so I figure that should create the same kind of threat
that the rockets and ack did in '43.
But to balance that, I'll probably use late war jugs.
All that accompanied the 2nd raid on Schweinfurt were
P-47D's so to balance it I'll likely use the P-47M's.
If I were to use, say the D-40, we would be completely
outclassed by the 152s and 262s so I see no other choice.
Dave
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Just a heads-up.
I've already begun work on the next [MoM] and
it's going to be more than just another bomber raid.
The next mission will be a historical recreation of the
8th Air Force's second raid on Schweinfurt, Germany
that occured on Thursday, October 14, 1943, a date
that would forever become known as "Black Thursday".
This coming October 14th, 2010 will mark the 67th Anniversary of
what has been called "the most savage air battle ever fought"
so the next [MoM] will be two days earlier, on Tuesday, October 12
to remember and honor the brave men who fought and those who
died during that epic battle.
Obviously, I'm going to need a great many bomber pilots
to pull this off. Just as important, opposition aircraft should be
Luftwaffe aircraft. This isn't just a mission guys, we're trying
to commemorate something solemn so please stick to the theme
when selecting your aircraft.
More to come. :salute
AVA arena would be fantastic for this, that way only time era planes could be used(enabled) as well as a map that's two sided (2 countries) Allied gets a certain plane set and the same for Axis, I'm sure both countries that are opposing the raid would just fly Axis planes, What's your thoughts?
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I've been struggling with that.
Most of the losses during that mission were attributable
to ack and air-to-air rockets. I'm sure that the opposition will
be launching 262's and Ta152's to counter the strike
so I figure that should create the same kind of threat
that the rockets and ack did in '43.
But to balance that, I'll probably use late war jugs.
All that accompanied the 2nd raid on Schweinfurt were
P-47D's so to balance it I'll likely use the P-47M's.
If I were to use, say the D-40, we would be completely
outclassed by the 152s and 262s so I see no other choice.
Dave
Have you thought of hosting a MoM in the Midwar to keep the mission aircraft in the era you desire?
Just a thought.
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Hi guys, thanks for the suggestions.
I have considered using one of the other arenas
but I believe that many of the pilots who participate
in MoM do so because they see it advertised on Text.
Many remark that they forgot about the MoM until
they saw the text announcements.
I'm confident that if I were to try and do this
in another arena nowhere near the number of
people who participate will show up, dooming
the operation.
So its Titanic Tuesday or its not.
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Hi guys, thanks for the suggestions.
I have considered using one of the other arenas
but I believe that many of the pilots who participate
in MoM do so because they see it advertised on Text.
Many remark that they forgot about the MoM until
they saw the text announcements.
I'm confident that if I were to try and do this
in another arena nowhere near the number of
people who participate will show up, dooming
the operation.
So its Titanic Tuesday or its not.
Good point, one last thing to consider on hosting it in another arena would be to get a CM to make an all arena wide announcement. I mean they do it for jeep races why not MoMs?
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Have you thought of hosting a MoM in the Midwar to keep the mission aircraft in the era you desire?
Just a thought.
I like this idea. I don't think it would hurt the numbers too badly as long as an announcement could be made in MA's. I think people would switch over.
I think you should try it. If it fails, then the following month go back to MA. Couldn't hurt to try. Even the AVA is gaining popularity recently showing that we as a community are willing to give something new a chance.
Just sayin.
:airplane:
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Things Ive tried in the past always worked better as far as participation in the MA rather than the SEA or AVA. Its in your face and hard to miss, or turn down since you're already there.