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Title: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Perrine on September 13, 2010, 04:29:28 PM
clipped crop clapped spit 5
(http://ww2total.com/WW2/Weapons/War-Planes/Fighter-Planes/British/Spitfire/images-Mk-V/Spitfire-V-03-px800.jpg)

clipped and griffon engine detuned spit 12
this would be nice perk plane in mid war arena
(http://mission4today.com/uploads/downloads/images/2009/06/47_spitfire_mkxii_flgoff_jean_maridor_91sqn_1943.jpg)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Hu0bQOfIyEArJM:http://www.wewerethere.defencedynamics.mod.uk/ww2/images/nigeria_spit_lg.jpg&t=1)
(http://www.irishdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/supermarine_spitfire_mkXII.jpg)


Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 13, 2010, 05:16:57 PM
No.  The spitfire is smurfy with clipped wings and with the ghey16 being the most capable fighter in the game already... adding more would be a travesty.  Besides, there are a whole host of other fighters that are worthy of being introduced prior to any more spitfires.  The Spitfire are covered very well, too well really.   ;)
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Plawranc on September 13, 2010, 05:17:30 PM
Hell yeah  :aok
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Plawranc on September 13, 2010, 05:18:13 PM
No.  The spitfire is smurfy with clipped wings and with the ghey16 being the most capable fighter in the game already... adding more would be a travesty.  Besides, there are a whole host of other fighters that are worthy of being introduced prior to any more spitfires.  The Spitfire are covered very well, too well really.   ;)

There is NEVER too many Spitfires until we start INVENTING variants  :devil
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Plazus on September 13, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
We have enough Spitfires for the time being, IMO. I think HTC should invest more of their time fleshing out the Axis airplanes first before adding more Spits.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Plawranc on September 13, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Well, selfishly Plaz... YOU LIE


but from a community POV, yeah. we need more Black Crosses and Red Dots...... targets  :devil
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Perrine on September 13, 2010, 05:31:35 PM
We have enough Spitfires for the time being, IMO. I think HTC should invest more of their time fleshing out the Axis airplanes first before adding more Spits.

How about this... i wish for more clipped wings spits, in return you get a Bf109G-10 (basically a Bf 109G-14 geared for hi-alt) and remodel axis planes like Zeros to AH2 standards  :aok
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: guncrasher on September 13, 2010, 06:48:59 PM
No.  The spitfire is smurfy with clipped wings and with the ghey16 being the most capable fighter in the game already... adding more would be a travesty.  Besides, there are a whole host of other fighters that are worthy of being introduced prior to any more spitfires.  The Spitfire are covered very well, too well really.   ;)



no........... :bolt:

semp
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Tupac on September 13, 2010, 06:58:30 PM
Give me my Me-410, tu2 and yak3, and you may have your spitfires.

Ill allow this.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Plazus on September 13, 2010, 08:02:43 PM
How about this... i wish for more clipped wings spits, in return you get a Bf109G-10 (basically a Bf 109G-14 geared for hi-alt) and remodel axis planes like Zeros to AH2 standards  :aok

Again, I am going to disagree. Respectfully of course. Not only would it be nice to remodel the Zero and the Bf-110, it would be worthwhile for HTC to model in the Me-410, He-111, Do-17, Ki-43, G4M, Tu-2, and a slew of others that has not been represented yet. These aircraft are badly needed for the scenarios and FSOs that take place each week. Clipped-wing Spits just would contribute nothing to AH except pollute the already large planeset with more Spits.

Why do you want another clipped-wing Spitfire? It is from my understanding that you just want another ub3r late war Spitfire with lethal guns that can out-roll, out-turn, out-accelerate, out-run, and out-climb anything else in the game. Learn to fly the Spitfires already in game before making a silly wish like this.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: StokesAk on September 13, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
If you fly long enough, some one can eisly clip your wings for you, few .50s would do it.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: MachFly on September 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
There is nothing worse than the most beautiful plane turned into something ugly.  :old:


On a serious note, why would you want an airplane with a high altitude engine have low altitude wings? It would suck all around.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: RTHolmes on September 13, 2010, 08:37:54 PM
err ... um ... yes! :aok
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 13, 2010, 09:09:03 PM


no........... :bolt:

semp

Show me another plane that can do what the '16 does across the board....  ... .... .... ....   cant think of one, can you.   ;)
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Perrine on September 13, 2010, 09:22:16 PM
It is from my understanding that you just want another ub3r late war Spitfire with lethal guns that can out-roll, out-turn, out-accelerate, out-run, and out-climb anything else in the game.

No.  My original post contained only mid war spitfires.

The spits that i mentioned (detuned griffon powered XI and clipped cropped clapped Mk V) were developed specifically to at least put up a fight against Fw-190 at low alt in 1942-43.  Don't worry,  La7s, P51s, 190D and other god-tier late war planes should still overmatch and dominate Mark XII and clipped cropped clapped Mk V.

See the performance of these planes

clipped cropped clapped mk v
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3228speed.gif
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3228.html


spit xii
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.jpg
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.html

it shouldn't cause disruption and whinefest like when spit XVI was introduced 5 years ago.
but who cares!? They gave us a 109G14 and i think its performance mirrors the spit 16 (just gotta adopt to different style of gunnery in 109) :aok

Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: 321BAR on September 13, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
There is NEVER too many Spitfires until we start INVENTING variants  :devil
I feel an EVIL con coming on :t :t :t
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Guppy35 on September 13, 2010, 09:36:24 PM
No.  My original post contained only mid war spitfires.

The spits that i mentioned (detuned griffon powered XI and clipped cropped clapped Mk V) were developed specifically to at least put up a fight against Fw-190 at low alt in 1942-43.  Don't worry,  La7s, P51s, 190D and other god-tier late war planes should still overmatch and dominate Mark XII and clipped cropped clapped Mk V.

See the performance of these planes

clipped cropped clapped mk v
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3228speed.gif
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3228.html


spit xii
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.jpg
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-XII.html

it shouldn't cause disruption and whinefest like when spit XVI was introduced 5 years ago.
but who cares!? They gave us a 109G14 and i think its performance mirrors the spit 16 (just gotta adopt to different style of gunnery in 109) :aok



Don't kid yourself.  The XII was the XVI in 1943.  Trust me on this one.  I can go on about the XII forever and would love to see it.  But in the overall scheme of things, there are other birds that should be added first.

If you want that performance, go jump in an XVI and have at it. 

And in terms of Spitfires.  Any new Spitfire would cause a whine.  That's just a given.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: RTHolmes on September 13, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
no doubt about the whines, and the XII would be a stone cold killer in AH. what perk value for MW I wonder  :uhoh
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Perrine on September 13, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
no doubt about the whines, and the XII would be a stone cold killer in AH. what perk value for MW I wonder  :uhoh

i think the spit xii is just as fast as ki 84 and 190a, but won't outclimb planes like spit 16 and 109k
and i doubt you can turn and burn it since you got a slightly heavy griffon engine.  Heck I don't even turn and burn with spit 14 in dueling arena furballs.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Guppy35 on September 13, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
i think the spit xii is just as fast as ki 84 and 190a, but won't outclimb planes like spit 16 and 109k
and i doubt you can turn and burn it since you got a slightly heavy griffon engine.  Heck I don't even turn and burn with spit 14 in dueling arena furballs.

Again, trust me on this one.  I'm guessing you've discovered the XII recently.  It's been my baby since 1980 :)

Standard tactics with the XIIs were to troll below the 190s and 109s.  They'd break into the 109s and 190s and have at it.  Best day being October 20, 1943 when they got 9 for no loss after being bounced.  It turned just fine and was put into production to stop 190 hit and run raiders on the south coast of England, which they did, most effectively on May 25, 1943 when 4 Spitfire XIIs of 91 Squadron caught 12-15 190A5s and shot down 5 for no loss.

I fly my cartoon 38G the way I do because of those Spit XII guys.  I like to fly low and try and suck em down and see what I can do.  It's burned into my cartoon pilot brain to fly it that way.


Would I enjoy the XII?  Sure.    But do we need it in AH?  Not before a lot of other birds come first.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Perrine on September 13, 2010, 11:00:48 PM
Again, trust me on this one.  I'm guessing you've discovered the XII recently.  It's been my baby since 1980 :)

Standard tactics with the XIIs were to troll below the 190s and 109s.  They'd break into the 109s and 190s and have at it.  Best day being October 20, 1943 when they got 9 for no loss after being bounced.  It turned just fine and was put into production to stop 190 hit and run raiders on the south coast of England, which they did, most effectively on May 25, 1943 when 4 Spitfire XIIs of 91 Squadron caught 12-15 190A5s and shot down 5 for no loss.

I'm not even sure if that's a spitfire anymore (in traditional sense)
that sounds more like a tempest :devil

Quote
I fly my cartoon 38G the way I do because of those Spit XII guys.  I like to fly low and try and suck em down and see what I can do.  It's burned into my cartoon pilot brain to fly it that way.

in AvA with no icons?

there's no way i can do that in MA or dueling arena since icons and external views in DA are on.
maybe i can with LA7 in DA and MA but its just gonna be hit 'n run ambush


Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Bruv119 on September 14, 2010, 01:49:49 AM
your preaching to the choir on this one perrine.

Hell yea we should have those 2 spitfires and the more common seafire! 

Clipped wings should be optional in the hangar for the mk 5 and 14.  However if HTC would truly unleash the beast the whines would go through the roof.

We need to keep a little room for balance and gameplay fairness.   ;)
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Guppy35 on September 14, 2010, 02:27:14 AM
your preaching to the choir on this one perrine.

Hell yea we should have those 2 spitfires and the more common seafire! 

Clipped wings should be optional in the hangar for the mk 5 and 14.  However if HTC would truly unleash the beast the whines would go through the roof.

We need to keep a little room for balance and gameplay fairness.   ;)

Gotta show me a wartime clipped XIV before I'd back that one Bruv.  Lots postwar, but yet to see one in a wartime photo.  I believe the clipped XIVs were when they were put in the same role of ground attack as the XVI was at the end of the war.   More of a reaction to the jets taking over and the XIV losing it's role as interceptor that it had in the ETO while the Merlin Spits did the ground attack work.

You'd need to have engine options too if you were going to clip the Spit V, that and A, B and C wing options for the V. 

I think we'd be better off with a Merlin 66 Spitfire IX from 1943.
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: 4deck on September 15, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
If you fly long enough, some one can eisly clip your wings for you, few .50s would do it.
:aok :rofl
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: Avanti on September 17, 2010, 02:07:31 AM
Quote from: Plawranc link=topic=296684.msg3787554#msg3787554 date=128441704


but from a community POV, yeah. we need more Black Crosses and Red Dots...... targets  :devil
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how about more Red Stars? or blue and white circles?
Title: Re: how about more clipped wing spitfires?
Post by: JOACH1M on September 18, 2010, 08:44:10 AM
Boo hiss no more spits!!! I want me 410, bristol beaufighter, and p61!! :bolt: