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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Plawranc on September 13, 2010, 05:29:07 PM
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I know its not part of WW2 and I know it was 20 years ahead in tech. But it uses a WW2 plane so I thought EVIL CON!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/AC-47_gunship_-_one_gatling_gun_points_out_the_cargo_door%2C_and_one_each_points_out_of_the_two_windows_forward_of_the_door.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/MXU-470.jpg)
hehehehehe, some of the Vietnam guys may have even seen this :x
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+1 on AC-47, prolly Hitech would do it as a convention plane. Just imagine. going to attack what you think is a C-47 from the side and then it unloads on you
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+1 on AC-47, prolly Hitech would do it as a convention plane. Just imagine. going to attack what you think is a C-47 from the side and then it unloads on you
I would use it for 1000 perkies, hell i would pay 5000 perkies for that one time use :x :x :x :x :x.
semp
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I would gladly give up all perks, and my right to play for a month just to see the look on someones face when I shoot him down in a C-47 :rofl.
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I would gladly give up all perks, and my right to play for a month just to see the look on someones face when I shoot him down in a C-47 :rofl.
Sorry to break it to ya but it wouldn't help.
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Sorry to break it to ya but it wouldn't help.
Agreed. The AC47 and AC130 were both made for ground attack roles only. neither had any Air to Air gunnery or defenses
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So the gatling gun isn't in a flexible mount, or would it just be difficult to aim at an aircraft with?
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So the gatling gun isn't in a flexible mount, or would it just be difficult to aim at an aircraft with?
Seriously, do you even bother to research any of these planes? If you had you would have seen that the guns are mounted on the left side of the AC-47. The only way a Spooky could have shot down another plane is if the other plane slowed down and flew off the left side of the AC-47.
(http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312830/ac47.jpg)
ack-ack
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Since they are "aimed" from the cockpit, a flexible mount would be pretty silly.
(http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.cv/topcover/Sites/.Pictures/topcover/AlaskanAirPower/spookypilot.jpg-thumb_269_202.jpg)
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Since they are "aimed" from the cockpit, a flexible mount would be pretty silly.
(http://homepage.mac.com/topcover/.cv/topcover/Sites/.Pictures/topcover/AlaskanAirPower/spookypilot.jpg-thumb_269_202.jpg)
hehehe :aok
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how quick could 2 of these take out the town? :noid
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im still asking for 262s with the 30mm MK-108s in a gattling-style configuration and heat-seaking 5" rockets :D
EVIL CON
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foo fighters with gatling guns is what I'm praying for
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Seriously, do you even bother to research any of these planes?
No, he doesn't.
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foo fighters with gatling guns is what I'm praying for
:rofl hell yeah!
tigers are no match for Dave Grohl with a vulcan!
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im still asking for 262s with the 30mm MK-108s in a gattling-style configuration and heat-seaking 5" rockets :D
EVIL CON
poor jeeps
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So the gatling gun isn't in a flexible mount, or would it just be difficult to aim at an aircraft with?
:lol
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why did they not cut a hole in the door instead of creating extra drag by removing it?
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They shot the fun back so the airplane could go faster.
Semp
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They used that approach with the ACH-47 Guns-a-Go-Go too :D
(http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/chinook/images/guns_a_go_go_drawing_1.jpg)
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why did they not cut a hole in the door instead of creating extra drag by removing it?
The door on the AC47 swung in, not out. The gun was mounted, bolted , through the floor to a support strut. So the door was removed. The AC47 did not experience a major change in speed because of door. Also, Viet Nam was warm, even in the winter season you could have a daily temperature in the 90’s and during the summer 110+ with 100% humidity was normal. The lapse rate was 1.5 to 3 degrees per thousand feet and spooky in Viet Nam operated around 3000 ft AGL, so instead of being 125 - 130 degrees inside of that tincan it was 5 or 7 degrees cooler. Don’t forget the heat from three min guns. Also initially the guns were fired by the crew chief with an optical at the door. The min gun was air-cooled. At least the ones I saw were.
I was with the 5th Special Forces and we called in fire support including Spooky to put rounds on nme troop movement many times. I was also in a fire support base in January of 68 that was being overrun by the north and it was necessary to call in spooky and some fast movers to lay down napalm on our wire. Next morning we had a number of crispy critters the napalm had taken out but in the wire were over 70 that had been killed by spooky. At some points spooky fired and put rounds within 50 feet of our fighting positions, they were that good.
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Incredible reading Traveler. What a life you have lived man.
Thanks for that reply.
S!
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Ack-Ack
I know it wasn't flexible, but who cares, as an Evil Con Plane it does not have to be realistic. If they werent flexible so what, make them flexible.
Honestly ack-ack, if you fight this one you are condemming the Super Fokker, the Minigun RV8, the Flying Shark and even SANTA!
Just let it go, and make a goonie bird that bites back.
Besides, a massive goon hoarde turns up, and then it drops the town, and then a few real C-47's take it, could you imagine their faces
when a C-47 blasts them out of the sky?
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You don't need guns to land kills in a goon.
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Ack-Ack
I know it wasn't flexible, but who cares, as an Evil Con Plane it does not have to be realistic. If they werent flexible so what, make them flexible.
Honestly ack-ack, if you fight this one you are condemming the Super Fokker, the Minigun RV8, the Flying Shark and even SANTA!
Just let it go, and make a goonie bird that bites back.
Besides, a massive goon hoarde turns up, and then it drops the town, and then a few real C-47's take it, could you imagine their faces
when a C-47 blasts them out of the sky?
I'm glad Silat turned me on to these wonderful anti-squeaker ankle guards, works wonders.
(http://www.binbin.net/photos/nike/nik/nike-tiempo-shield-shin-guard.jpg)
Oh...my reply to Nemisis was in response to his question on whether or not the AC-47 was capable of shooting down an airplane and had nothing to do with an Evil Con mission. So kiddo, Pull your head out from where the Sun don't shine and you'll look like less of an idiot. I know it's something that I'll (or anyone else) will never see in our life time but we can always hope.
ack-ack
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Not that I ever trust wiki but wiki says Spooky was faster than the Skytrain.
why did they not cut a hole in the door instead of creating extra drag by removing it?
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You don't need guns to land kills in a goon.
werd!
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Not that I ever trust wiki but wiki says Spooky was faster than the Skytrain.
wiki is actually reliable as long as you double check with the given sources
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Puff the Magic Dragon
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did you know he lived by the sea lol(I'm sorry i just had to say it) :devil
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Agreed. The AC47 and AC130 were both made for ground attack roles only. neither had any Air to Air gunnery or defenses
Hehehehe doesn't stop GV's not able to engage air targets .
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Seriously, do you even bother to research any of these planes? If you had you would have seen that the guns are mounted on the left side of the AC-47. The only way a Spooky could have shot down another plane is if the other plane slowed down and flew off the left side of the AC-47.
(http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312830/ac47.jpg)
ack-ack
If you have ever flown a control line COX plane with you pivoting in place while the plane flies a banked turn around you . You have good reference for how they work . The control lines stay pointed in one spot while the plane circles . Imagine the control line representing the bullet stream. Not sure on the AC47 but the AC130 is not aimed from the cockpit . It has an operator in the cargo compartment . Also gotta love the bofors 40mm and the 105 you get with the AC130 .
Whoops responded to wrong guy sorry akak
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vietnam era aces high :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
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vietnam era aces high :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.
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Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.
Not if HTC modeled in the failure rate of those missles.
I'd prefer to see sheep in pantyhose with miniguns on their backs,and if they were skinned in pink then pigs could fly!
:devil
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This is in reply to the general discussion.
Just to clarify a few things about the AC series of gunships in Vietnam and beyond. First, let me give you a bit of background on myself so you dont think I'm BS'ing. I recently retired with 33 years service in the Air Force and Air Force Reserve. I spent two tours in Vietnam, one as a weapons loader on F-100 and A-37 aircraft. The second tour was with the 20th SOS Green Hornets as a gunner. After that I joined the 919th SOG at Duke Field Fl as a gunner on AC-130A's. I retired the last of the AC-130A's as the chief gunner. I have over 3000 hours in the gunship and helicopters as a gunner.
Now to clarify a few things. The AC-47, although not officially air to air capable, could in theory, take out any lower flying aircraft that happened into it's bullet stream of 300 rounds per second. It originally used 10 50 cals but went to the 7.62 minigun when they became available. The pilot aimed the aircraft by using the airspeed, ailerons and rudder with the copilots help. The gunners reloaded and fixed the guns as necessary. The gunner did not fire nor aim the guns, they were on fixed mounts. All of them.
The AC-130A originally had 4 7.62 miniguns and 4 20mm Vulcan cannons (gatling guns) firing at the rate of 2500RPM (for the 20mm) and either 3000 rpm or 6000 rpm for the miniguns. When the modification called "surprise package" became available the two rearmost 20mm and miniguns were removed and two 40mm Bofors cannons were installed. They had a firing rate of 100 shots per minute or almost two per second. This is slower than they originally had as naval defense guns which fired at 120 spm. You could not fire both cannons at once for fear of structural damage. As in the AC-47 they were aimed by the pilot with optics fed electronically to the gunsight from the senors. The pilot adjusted bank angle and rudder input and the copilot ran the throttles to align the movable pipper and the fixed pipper in the gunsight until they were both superimposed and simply pulled the trigger. The pilot never sees the actual target.
During the invasion of Panama in 1989 they were tasked with stopping possible escape by Norriega by shooting down any helicpoter flown by non US military forces. Newre models of the AC-130 have trainalble guns that slave to whereever the sensor is looking and computers that handle the mundane tass of windage, etc. The newest version, the AC-130U ahs a chainfun inpace of the 20mm twin guns and in place of the 40mm Bofors. It can strike two targets at once and has a 105mm cannon in the left side door inplace ot one of the 40mm cannons used on the original configuration used in the AC-130A.
Sure hope this helps clear up things. Any questions just ask.
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Yeah, and look at how well WWI turned out. Also, the guided missles would take a lot of the fun out of the game, IMO.
There would still be some good dogfights as I believe that Vietnam was also a test bed for the new AtA missiles, and that the Phantom had more kills with (correct me if I am wrong) its 20mm gatling cannon.
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No doubt there would be some good fights. Good fights in WWI too. I just don't want to see months spent on something that will see a lot of use only untill the "new" wears off.
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Re: Ack-Ack
I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.
What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?
Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.
oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
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We used to fly ac-130 on ac-130 in janes atf head to head. tons of fun.
-Crusader
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and that the Phantom had more kills with (correct me if I am wrong) its 20mm gatling cannon.
You're wrong. Especially considering the lack of guns in most Phantom models.
Obviously the navy and Marines didn't have guns, so 0 there.
The Air Force shot down F-4C/D/E crews scored 107½ MiG kills in (50 by Sparrow, 31 by Sidewinder, five by Falcon, 15.5 by gun, and six by other means) source (http://web.archive.org/web/20071127002310/http://www.afa.org/magazine/sept2004/0904vietnam.pdf)
Re: Ack-Ack
I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.
What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?
Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.
oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
It was a joke? Maybe a bit of research and effort in a wish would temper Ack-Ack a bit. Or a :rofl.
Ack-Ack just gives back some of what gets dished out.
Otherwise, make the wish list -read only-.
wrongway
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Wasn't the AC-47 a Vietnam era aircraft? I don't recall it being in service in WWII.
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I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns.
In a forum about WW2.
Doesnt take a genius does it?
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I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns.
In a forum about WW2.
Doesnt take a genius does it?
It was just a question. Didn't know if it served in WWII or not.
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"I am suggesting a Vietnam era aircraft with miniguns. In a forum about WW2."
What is it Forrest Gump used to say? (Not the phrase about a box of chocolates)
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Re: Ack-Ack
I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.
What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?
Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.
oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
That one line made your whole post completely irrelevant and hypocritical.
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Re: Ack-Ack
I do not particularly care about your opinions on young players, your arrogance and sheer pigheadedness has no equal anywhere. You attack members of this board on the slightest things because you can, you berate people when they have no wish to start an argument especially seeing as this thread and others are JOKES!. And on top of all this you are ruining what this whole thing is all about, Aces High, the Bulletin Boards and this thread.
What was that again, oh thats right. HAVING A LAUGH AND HAVING FUN. is that too much to ask?
Seriously, it does not matter, anything can shoot down anything if it has a gun. While unlikely it is still possible. Hell a B-17 with a modified pilot operated gun shot down a Zero.
oh and one more thing.... Its spelt Aeroplane dumbazz.
I see your head is still stuck way up there, must be smelly.
ack-ack