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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: fbWldcat on October 08, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
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Early War RAF bombers
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
(http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/bomber/whitley/whit_infl.jpg)
This one has been mentioned in some threads over the past couple of months, but didn't make that big of a splash.
Heavy Bomber
Crew- 5
Powerplant- Two 1,075 HP Rolls Royce Merlin X V-type in-line engines
Max Speed- 370 km/h (230 mph) at 5,000 m (16,400 ft)
Service ceiling- 26,000 ft (7,925 m)
Max Range- 2,400 miles (3,862 km)
Wingspan- 84 ft (25.60 m)
Length- 70 ft, 6" (21.49 m)
Height- 15 ft (4.57 m)
Weight- 33,500 lbs (15,195 kg)
Arament- 1x 7.62mm vickers mg in nose; 4x vickers mgs in tail gun; up to 3,175 kg of bombs (7,000 lbs)
Avro Anson
(http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/resrc/images/hst/l-g/anson_2.jpg)
Recon/ light bomber/ some versions used for troop transport
Crew- 3-5
Powerplant- two 335HP Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah IX Radials
Max speed- 188 mph
Service Ceiling- 19,000 ft
Max Range- 790 miles
Wingspan, Length, Height- 56.5 ft (17.22 m), 42.25 ft (12.88 m), 13ft, 1" (3.99 m)
Weight- 9,300 lb (4,218 kg) loaded
Arament- 4x 7.62mm MGs (various cabin mountings [ or dorsal turrent ]) up to 500 lbs of bombs
Misc. Planeset (e.g. Czechs, rarer plane-types in the game)
Don't laugh, this is one that once more prominant aircraft are added, it could be a great addition to the game.
Avia B.534 (Czechoslovakia)
(http://forum.valka.cz/files/avia_b-534_2_.jpg)
Crew- 1
Powerplant- One 850 HP Hispano-Suiza HS 12Y in-line engine
Max Speed- 245 mph
Ceiling- 34, 777 ft
Range- 360 miles
Length-26 ft, 10"
Wingspan-30 ft 10"
Height-10ft, 2"
Weight- Unloaded (3,219 lbs) Loaded (4,674 lbs)
Arament- 4x 7.7mm fixed forward firing MGs; up to 6x 20 kg bombs
Used in both combat and squads in WWII, namely against the Russians. Not the best performing aircraft but would be fun in some FSOs and against real combat situations.
Bloch MB. 151/152
French Fighter; crew of 1
(http://aerostories.free.fr/dossiers/AA/vichy/MB152vi_02.JPG)
Powerplant-one 1,080 HP Gnome Rhone 14N-25 14 cylinder radial engine (MB. 152)
Max speed- 316 mph (509km/h)
Ceiling- 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Range- 335 miles (540 km/h)
Length: 9.10 m (29 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 10.54 m (34 ft 7 in)
Height: 3.03 m (9 ft 11 in)
Weight- Empty (4758lb/ 2,158kg) Loaded (6,173 lbs/ 2,800 kg)
Arament- Gun package 1- 4x 7.5mm MGs; GP 2- 2x 7.5mm MGs PLUS 2x 20mm cannons
Bloch MB. 174
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/france/aircraft/bomber/bloch-mb-174/bloch-mb-174-01.jpg)
Recon bomber- crew of 3
Powerplant- 2x 1,140 HP Gnome-Rhone 14N 14-cylinder radial engines
Max Speed- 329 mph (530 km/h)
Ceiling- 36,090 ft (11,000 m)
Max Range- 798 miles (1,285 km) with a 400kg bombload
Wingspan- 58 ft, 8" (17.90 m)
Length-40 ft 2" (12.25 m)
Height-11 ft, 7" (3.55 m)
Weights- Loaded (15,784 lbs/7,160 kg) Empty (12,340 lb/ 5,600 kg)
Arament- up to 7x 7.5mm MGs. Max internal bombload of 400kg
What are your thoughts? Good ideas, bad ideas?
Jackson, Robert. The Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft. Bath, England: Parragon Pub., 2002. Print.
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My guess is two threads that were identical. :rolleyes:
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You would be correct. When I checked it didn't pop up. Tried posting again and both were sitting right there.
EDIT: I will however add a few planes to the other post. Typing from the book.
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The French Aircraft, especially, would help some FSOs. The bombers (RAF) could help Squad Ops such as Early war attacks on Italy.
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What? no short stirling?
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Not on the list of things I typed from the book. Would be a nice addition, though. I think a bomber that would be in the frontrunning above all these would be the Wellington. The Halifax would be next, but these are just some I pulled from the depths of overlooked history.
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There's already waaaaaay more allied stuff in the game than axis stuff....just sayin... :noid
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So? Not everyone is a Luftwobble, ya know. :D
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Gimme a Fiat G.55, A-26 Invader, Ki-100 and J2M for late war.
Gimme a Fiat C.200, Beaufighter, and Ki-44 for mid-war.
Gimme a Gladiator, Do-17 and He-111 for early war.
Gimme a Panther, Tiger II, Jagdpanzer IV (L48 and L70), Jagdpanther, M36, Churchill, Artillery, JS-2, KV-85, Su-100, and perk accordingly, and I'll be happy.
Oh yea, and an M-18 Hellcat just so we can see what 321BAR has next on his list!!
And just for giggles - how about a Meteor F.3? It did see combat, about as much as the 163 did in terms of operations.
Sorry for the hijack - I'm bored.
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Brown Baron, I realize the allies have many more aircraft than the axis, but there is no early war bomber for the RAF whatsoever. There are also no French aircraft in the game. The French planeset is very deserving and one of the most unnoticed in the game (bluntly put, we have none, we need some).
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So? Not everyone is a Luftwobble, ya know. :D
French aircraft were relevant for maybe a few months of the war at most, while the Free French Air Force used a large numbers of foreign-produced aircraft (Curtiss Hawks and P-40s, Spitfires, etc.). Would they be a nice add? Maybe in the future, but there's a lot more glaring gaps. And isn't the Lancaster available in the EWA? Technically, our Lanc SHOULDN'T be because it's a later mark, but that's beside the point...
Japanese are suffering more than all the other countries right now. Italy flew a lot of German crates, and Lend-Lease can at least fill in the gaps short-term for the Russians so these have valid plug-ins for now.
But when we have Bf-110s subbing in for Ki-45s, no early-war IJAAF fighter whatsoever, and Ki-67s replacing G4Ms over Guadalcanal and China something is very, VERY wrong.
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YAK-9DD :noid
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You and your Double-Ds...lol :banana:
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But, what about the...........
And the ...........
And of course there are other "gaps" to fill 1st.
Your planes suk, my ideas are better.
What about MY needs? :bolt:
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What about MY needs? :bolt:
JC's got a line on Double Ds...talk to him. :x
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+1 for the B29.
:bolt:
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He-111 +1
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French aircraft were relevant for maybe a few months of the war at most, while the Free French Air Force used a large numbers of foreign-produced aircraft (Curtiss Hawks and P-40s, Spitfires, etc.). Would they be a nice add? Maybe in the future, but there's a lot more glaring gaps. And isn't the Lancaster available in the EWA? Technically, our Lanc SHOULDN'T be because it's a later mark, but that's beside the point...
using that argument the Brewster export we have shouldn't have been added to the game. Regardless of how little operational time it saw during the Battle of the Lowlands and France, the French planes did see a lot of operational combat time during this period and would be good additions to the early war planes set. In addition, these planes and others that flew with the Dutch, Czechs and Poles would help make the early war plane set a true early war plane set instead of the hodge podge mess it is now. Also, a few of the Dutch planes could also be used for the early war PTO plane set.
Japanese are suffering more than all the other countries right now. Italy flew a lot of German crates, and Lend-Lease can at least fill in the gaps short-term for the Russians so these have valid plug-ins for now.
Agreed, the Japanese plane set, especially the early war and mid-war IJAF fighter and IJN/IJAF bombers plane set needs additions and should get the main focus. I don't really agree with though about the Soviet plane set, at least in regards to bombers. Right now, the Soviet plane set is okay because the Soviet set is filled in by a lot of Lend-Lease planes already present in the game. The Soviets could use though the Yak 3 and MiG-3 with maybe the MiG-1 for an additional early war Soviet plane. The Soviets need most is a bomber thought I'm not sure how much use they'd see in the MW or LW arenas when bombers like the B-17, B-24, Lancasters and the new Mosquito are available.
But when we have Bf-110s subbing in for Ki-45s, no early-war IJAAF fighter whatsoever, and Ki-67s replacing G4Ms over Guadalcanal and China something is very, VERY wrong.
True, that's why the Japanese planes should receive the priority attention.
ack-ack
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M-18 :noid
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Pe-2. nuf said.
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I'm working on some French skins... :banana:
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Pe-2. nuf said.
I actually would like to see the Pe-2.
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I'm all for the Avia B.534, biplanes are sweet.
I mean, seriously, it's sooooo pretty!
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/Makoyouidiot/AviaB534.jpg)
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nothrop P-61 nightfighter 4 20mms in nose and 4 50 cal in a radiomote contrl turret top speed 500mph at 5k
+1 it enter sevice in 44 so action in the pacifc
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nothrop P-61 nightfighter 4 20mms in nose and 4 50 cal in a radiomote contrl turret top speed 500mph at 5k
+1 it enter sevice in 44 so action in the pacifc
The Blackwidow also saw action in the ETO and CBI and it did not go 500mph at 5,000ft.
ack-ack
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How bout this for some new planes...and weapons!!!! Yes. Give us the B-29 and a Fat Boy A-Bomb. Ok to keep people honest with it (otherwise people would just nuke each other all the time) assign a perk value to the bomber, and a higher one for the bomb. Then give us a F-8 Bearcat and Hawker Seafury, or to even out the jets available give us the Gloster Meteor..after all they were in use and knocked down some v1s and v2s which we could also have added and given perks assign.
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nothrop P-61 nightfighter 4 20mms in nose and 4 50 cal in a radiomote contrl turret top speed 500mph at 5k
+1 it enter sevice in 44 so action in the pacifc
Before starting a possible hijack, SEARCH is your friend.
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Before starting a possible hijack, SEARCH is your friend.
He doesn't know how to search or read. He is best left ignored until he eventually makes some sort of post with logic in it.
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New Planes:
1. Ki-100
2. He-162
3. Meteor F.Mk3
Plane Upgrades:
1. 109K-4 to 1.98 ata boost / 2000Hp DB-605DC
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How bout this for some new planes...and weapons!!!! Yes. Give us the B-29 and a Fat Boy A-Bomb. Ok to keep people honest with it (otherwise people would just nuke each other all the time) assign a perk value to the bomber, and a higher one for the bomb. Then give us a F-8 Bearcat and Hawker Seafury, or to even out the jets available give us the Gloster Meteor..after all they were in use and knocked down some v1s and v2s which we could also have added and given perks assign.
B-29 - No. It would overbalance the game and there are way more important planes to add than this one. Search for other B-29 threads and your questions and concerns will be put to rest.
F-8F Bearcat - No. Did not see combat in WW2. Sorry.
Hawker Seafury - No. Did not see combat in WW2. Sorry.
Gloster Meteor - No. While it did see combat in WW2 and was in squadron strength, there are still other planes needed in the AH planeset first.
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M-18 :noid
M-18 :noid
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M-18 :noid
M-18 :noid
M-18 :noid :furious
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Gloster Meteor - No. While it did see combat in WW2 and was in squadron strength, there are still other planes needed in the AH planeset first.
That, and we have two jets and one rocket TOO MANY in the game as it is.
:noid :noid :noid
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Planes.
1st one-yes
2nd one-no
3rd one-no
4th one-yes
5th one-no
Why we leaving out the french planes so much,what don't like there pastries?
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CAC Boomerang!
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The TU-2. A really remarkable attacker.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/tu-2-1-1.jpg)
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There has been mention of "more important planes" that should be added first. I am curious as to which aircraft those are
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i think we need a few french planes in the game they would be great addition :devil
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There has been mention of "more important planes" that should be added first. I am curious as to which aircraft those are
He-111
Bristol Blenheim
Ki-100
A few folks want the A6M3
Lagg-1/3
IL-4
The list goes on.
Mostly the much neglected Japanese and Russian plane-sets. But alos a couple of early war RAF bombers and very important German bombers (All categories covered in the list above.)
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The G4M needs to be on that list. Most important Japanese bomber of the war, and we ain't got it.
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The Blackwidow also saw action in the ETO and CBI and it did not go 500mph at 5,000ft.
ack-ack
Nate doesn't know what he is talking about, disregard anything he says
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The G4M needs to be on that list. Most important Japanese bomber of the war, and we ain't got it.
It was just a small list of things that popped to mind, the G4M just didn't pop in. But yes, the G4M definitely needs to be added to the game.
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how about this one?
copying Saxmans post
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/551/medium/Lockheed_PV-2_Harpoon.jpg)
Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon
4000lbs of bombs or torpedoes
8x.50cal machine guns forward fixed
8x5" HVAR
Maximum speed 320mph
Range of ~2500mi
Not as fast as the Mosquito, but double the range while also being faster than the B-25 and B-26 and comparable in bomb load, while also carrying rockets.
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Just give us HE111 and p61 blackwidow
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The main problem with French planes is that they only saw action during the Battle of France up to June 1940 and then briefly during Operation Torch. This means they have a limited number of scenarios they can be used in (two effectively). They wouldn't be very competitive in the MAs either, even in the EW MA with its much better 1941 era fighters and bombers.
The game needs at least one slow early war bomber for scenarios. Something from 1940/41; slow, poorly armoured and with rifle calibre guns for defence. Currently it is hard to run effective early war scenarios since the 1941 bombers we have outclass the 1940 fighters. You could have an He 111, G4M, Il-4, Wellington or SM-79. As an added bonus all of these were used as both torpedo bombers and level bombers. Any of these could sub for any of the others in a whole load of 1940-41 scenarios a lot more realistically than the Boston, B-25 or Ju 88 can.
The main lacks WRT fighters for scenarios are the Ki 43 and the Yaks 1, 3 and 7. The Ki 43 would be a fun ride even in the late war MA, slow and pathetically armed but it would out turn anything. The Yak-3 would be a fantastic LW MA ride. The Beaufighter has also a lot of scenario potential and would have a nice niche in the MA; a torpedo bomber with four Hispanos.
Planes like the B-29, A-26, Meteor, Me 410 and G 55 would do well in the LW MA but are more restricted scenario wise.
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Just give us HE111 (sure) and p61 blackwidow (I'd love to see it, but not important to the game at all).
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Nate doesn't know what he is talking about, disregard anything he says
WHATEVER LEAST I TRY
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As Greebo mentioned, some mid-war common aircraft are missing that would be invaluable to AvA, FSO, Snapshots, etc., but probably wouldn't be as well received in the LW arenas.
These would be, specifically, by country...
Ki-43
Ki-27
G4M
Yak-1
SB-2
Pe-4
SM.79
C.200
G.50
He-111
Ju-52
Beaufighter
Blenheim
Wellington
These aircraft would pretty much open up the 'historical' areas of AH, AvA, FSO, Snapshots, etc.
While I understand that most of these aircraft would never be used in the LW, there's certainly a valid argument for having them.
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As Greebo mentioned, some mid-war common aircraft are missing that would be invaluable to AvA, FSO, Snapshots, etc., but probably wouldn't be as well received in the LW arenas.
These would be, specifically, by country...
Ki-43
Ki-27
G4M
Yak-1
SB-2
Pe-4
SM.79
C.200
G.50
He-111
Ju-52
Ju-87G1,G2 AND D5 with Bk37mm
ME-410
Beaufighter
Blenheim
Wellington
These aircraft would pretty much open up the 'historical' areas of AH, AvA, FSO, Snapshots, etc.
While I understand that most of these aircraft would never be used in the LW, there's certainly a valid argument for having them.
Fixed
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Fixed
While a tank-buster Stuka would be a neat addition to the game, plus it would fill up a necessary gap in German tank killing capability, it isn't the most needed plane in the game. The Wellington, Pe-4 Pe-2 Ki-43 and other planes from other planesets are more important.
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Which is why I left the He-111 at the top of the list. But Stuka Tank-busters and 20mm armed Stuka's are my personal top pick. Especially since HTC can include them with and update to the Stuka's Loadout.
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I would love to see the Ki27 and Ki43. While not likely to see a lot of MA action, they would allow us to run proper scenarios based on arguably the most storied WW2 fighter unit the AVG Flying Tigers.
Not to mention the Ki27 I-16 match up would be useful in early JapRus scenario.
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I would love to see the Ki27 and Ki43. While not likely to see a lot of MA action, they would allow us to run proper scenarios based on arguably the most storied WW2 fighter unit the AVG Flying Tigers.
Not to mention the Ki27 I-16 match up would be useful in early JapRus scenario.
I think the Ki-43 would see a lot of use in the LW arenas (would be very popular in both the EW and MW arenas) and would see just about as much use as the A6M5 Zeke. The only limiting factor would be it's rather poor armament but it turns a little better than the Zekes we have in the game and should give the Finnish Brewster a run for its money in a turn fight.
ack-ack
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Boomerang
(http://www.geog.utas.edu.au/hpf/images/elec_scale/AWESOME%20RC%20CAC%20BOOMERANG.jpg)
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moin
Messerschmitt Me 410!!!!
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a ju88 as havy fighter would be awesom and easy to create!
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