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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Flench on October 27, 2010, 01:19:37 PM
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Has 195 player's in a 100 cap arena ? Can some one feel me in on how this work's ?
When Green has 25/350 max
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Purple has 5/ 350 max
Should the Orange be 350 too ? Seems like to me HT is trying to make me fly were I don't want too .
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Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooo onnngg story there bud. in a short words it goes like this "sucks to be you" or "deal w it"
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When I turned off Titanic Tuesday, the caps had already kicked in and that is how there is more than the cap in Orange. Happens everyday at around noon CST, as well.
We have toyed with the idea of kicking everyone out of the arena at noon, everyday, but I am sure that would start up a whole new mess of complaints.
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Can't you just add to Orange the 350 cap like the others when this change is made ?
It's 2:25 central here now and
Green has 0/350
Purple has 6/350
Orange has 104/100
Blue has 67/150
Now this don't make a bit of since to me ..so here I set for 2 hour's waiting to get in Orange .
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I have no control over the cap numbers. I just checked and both (orange and blue) arenas have over 90 players in them and Blue is open.
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Can't you just add to Orange the 350 cap like the others when this change is made ?
It's 2:25 central here now and
Green has 0/350
Purple has 6/350
Orange has 104/100
Blue has 67/150
Now this don't make a bit of since to me ..so here I set for 2 hour's waiting to get in Orange .
Where have you been Flench? This is how the cap system has been for years. It is a dynamic cap system used to bring the population in BOTH LW arenas up to a "playable" number quicker. If they had Orange set at 350 it would soon fill and it would take a lot longer for the numbers in Blue to build to a playable number.
Of course it worked much better when the over all population was higher. With the down turn in the economy I think the over all population has dropped quite a bit. Only HTC would know for sure. I wish they would look at the numbers and compare them to 18-24 months ago to see if that is true. If it is, it might be time to go back to a single LW arena, or the pair with out caps.
Either way, I'd like HTC to give an "official" statement as to the situation. I know things have changed, but is it enough to warrant changing the cap situation? I think this is one of those "areas" that when they crop up HTC might want to post an "official" version to help calm down the over reacting paranoid masses generate.
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Let's have a vote and see what the over reacting paranoid masses say , lol .
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hey!!!!!
just because im paranoid doesnt mean they arent out to get me!!!!!
:noid
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When I turned off Titanic Tuesday, the caps had already kicked in and that is how there is more than the cap in Orange. Happens everyday at around noon CST, as well.
We have toyed with the idea of kicking everyone out of the arena at noon, everyday, but I am sure that would start up a whole new mess of complaints.
We don't complain....we strongly suggest!!!! :D
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It's 11.27 PM central here now and
Green has 0/350
Purple has 12/350
Orange has 147/100
Blue has 100/150
You sure this dynamic cap system is working ? Guess I can just forget about flying in the Orange arena ..
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Orange wont kick up to 200 unless blue is over 105 for the MAs, early and middle have no bearing on the MAs
In the numbers you quote, blue must have dropped below 105 so orange's cap dropped from 200 > 100
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It is not our sandbox, we don't get to make the rules. If we play nice we do however get to play in it.
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Well , I was not able to get in Orange all day yesterday and really thinking about quitting this game just because of this .When I do get time to fly I CAN"T get in where my Squad is . So , I will take my 14.99 and play in some one Else's sand box . Another point to make is your trying to take a base and get booted and can not get back in to where I was at , BS ! and for you guy's that feel the same you need to speak up now .
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^^
I believe there are quite a few threads, recently, indicating similar frustration with the caps. I am also frustrated that the caps continually put me in a barely populated arena.
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Thank you DaddieDrax for standing up on this . Some of the guy's that's been around for ever act like there scared to speak up and say any thing . How many people here keep logging on and off over and over and over trying to get in Orange when it's 101/100 or find them self waiting and waiting and waiting for the cap to be raised ?
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I just quit playing during the day. :aok
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Thank you DaddieDrax for standing up on this . Some of the guy's that's been around for ever act like there scared to speak up and say any thing . How many people here keep logging on and off over and over and over trying to get in Orange when it's 101/100 or find them self waiting and waiting and waiting for the cap to be raised ?
The cap won't raise if you don't go into the blue arena.
You think the cap just floats for no reason?
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I'm not going in a arena with just 20 people in it . If I was going to do that I would play PF .
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Well , I was not able to get in Orange all day yesterday and really thinking about quitting this game just because of this .When I do get time to fly I CAN"T get in where my Squad is . So , I will take my 14.99 and play in some one Else's sand box . Another point to make is your trying to take a base and get booted and can not get back in to where I was at , BS ! and for you guy's that feel the same you need to speak up now .
So, your alternatives seem to be:
1. Can't get into Orange, can't fly with squad or
2. Can't get into Orange, QUIT, can't fly with squad
How about make squad arena Blue?
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I believe there are quite a few threads, recently, indicating similar frustration with the caps. I am also frustrated that the caps continually put me in a barely populated arena.
I'm not going in a arena with just 20 people in it . If I was going to do that I would play PF .
I just checked and both (orange and blue) arenas have over 90 players in them and Blue is open.
RE: Caps at 350?
Would you not being able to get into the arena with 351 people in it work better for you?
The key to the problem is here:
The cap won't raise if you don't go into the blue arena.
You think the cap just floats for no reason?
It's your $15. Spend it not flying if you like. Miss your squad? There's always AIM.
wrongway
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What is going on is when Orange is full people go to the DA until Orange open's up and when skuzzy made his post was 3 hour's later .
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I just quit playing during the day. :aok
Many seem to have, which magnified the problem.
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Many seem to have, which magnified the problem.
What did HTC think was going to happen with the arena CAP's?
Pretty soon I will get bored of just flying FSO and quit for good. Until then there is no reason for me to biotch about the CAP's.
We have toyed with the idea of kicking everyone out of the arena at noon, everyday, but I am sure that would start up a whole new mess of complaints.
I would like to see after you guys did that if your player base would drop.
Check out the urban dictionary for SKUZZY lol.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Skuzzy
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So just what are you trying to say ? You got any more alternatives , lol ? What is going on is when Orange is full people go to the DA until Orange open's up and when skuzzy made his post was 3 hour's later .
Uh, my post was just a little over an hour after yours.
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It opened up right before you made that post thought , strange . All I ask is ,Just check the system out and see if there is something that can be done .
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What did HTC think was going to happen with the arena CAP's?
It did work well (more or less) for a long time. Caps did not cause people going away in the first place. For 3 years, there was only a relatively short time (1h) where gameplay was suffering after CAP kicked in.
It's only that after the numbers started to declone, the CAP really started to be a problem for us non-peak players. The arenas don't reach critical mass in short time anymore. Numbers have dropped, but time & trigger levels have stayed the same. Now it takes 4 hours instead of 1 - and this is the main problem.
It's not that "I can't fly with my buddies" or "LWB sucks". It's because LWO is locked at 100 and LWB is creeping along at 40 players for several hours.
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its a daily occurrence for us euros
and its getting more than a tad annoying
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It did work well (more or less) for a long time. Caps did not cause people going away in the first place. For 3 years, there was only a relatively short time (1h) where gameplay was suffering after CAP kicked in.
It's only that after the numbers started to declone, the CAP really started to be a problem for us non-peak players. The arenas don't reach critical mass in short time anymore. Numbers have dropped, but time & trigger levels have stayed the same. Now it takes 4 hours instead of 1 - and this is the main problem.
It's not that "I can't fly with my buddies" or "LWB sucks". It's because LWO is locked at 100 and LWB is creeping along at 40 players for several hours.
Exactomondo
#s are declining and personaly I dont see the consistent rise in both arenas to NOT whine about it. I dont see a need for more than 350 in one arena. Nor would I care if I was 351. It would make greater sense to me then and I know there would be epic whines if we had a fixed cap in arenas but I would think it would be much easier to stomach
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hey!!!!!
just because im paranoid doesnt mean they arent out to get me!!!!!
:noid
but if they ARE out to get you,are you REALLY paranoid? :noid
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Some of the guy's that's been around for ever act like there scared to speak up and say any thing .
Maybe they arent acting
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Exactomondo
#s are declining and personaly I dont see the consistent rise in both arenas to NOT whine about it. I dont see a need for more than 350 in one arena. Nor would I care if I was 351. It would make greater sense to me then and I know there would be epic whines if we had a fixed cap in arenas but I would think it would be much easier to stomach
Lets say that they make the caps 350. 400 people log on. You will have 350 in one arena, and 50 in the other. With the dynamic caps in place like they have it now, that same 400 is closer to 200 in each area.
I don't know about you, but if I can't get into one arena I'd like to see the other arena have 200 players instead of 50. Like Lusche said, a couple of years ago when the dynamic caps kicked in there were enough people logging in at that time that the numbers climbed fairly quickly. Now, not as many people are logging on so it takes MUCH longer for the numbers to climb.
I really wish Hitech or Pyro would chime in here and let us know what they think and why they are doing things the way they are. At least the info would be there to point out and everyone would know. I know not everyone would like it, but atleast they would KNOW what the deal is.
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Lets say that they make the caps 350. 400 people log on. You will have 350 in one arena, and 50 in the other. With the dynamic caps in place like they have it now, that same 400 is closer to 200 in each area.
I don't know about you, but if I can't get into one arena I'd like to see the other arena have 200 players instead of 50. Like Lusche said, a couple of years ago when the dynamic caps kicked in there were enough people logging in at that time that the numbers climbed fairly quickly. Now, not as many people are logging on so it takes MUCH longer for the numbers to climb.
I really wish Hitech or Pyro would chime in here and let us know what they think and why they are doing things the way they are. At least the info would be there to point out and everyone would know. I know not everyone would like it, but atleast they would KNOW what the deal is.
True, but I dont see the #s being consistent enough to even warrant a cap system. Anything less than 200 on a large map or 100 on a small map and I think people's mood tends to get more on plowing less defended areas and ignoring getting horded on the other.
Although I LOVE the choice of having 2 LW arenas available most of the time, the same scenario comes and goes: LWO:Rook or bish ENY at 24 and both bashing nits because they have no #s. LWB: Nit ENY 24 and they are off bashing some less defended part of the map. Although I dont mind side switching at all, my point being you have 2 arenas that limit players and everyones off to reset the map because noone wants to defend. Product being horde or be horded. Definatly NOT fun on any side.
Last weekend, #s were well balanced as the fights IMO. Yes there were hordes, but the hordes were countered by defending hordes because having a larger populated area, people are more willing to defend when they see 10 others upping. Last weekend was in fact the most fun my squaddies and I had in a long time and that was the reason.
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Some of the guy's that's been around for ever act like there scared to speak up and say any thing .
Or maybe some of us that have been around for ever aren't bothered by the arena caps as it doesn't affect us at all. I have no problems getting into any arena I choose to.
ack-ack
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Uh, my post was just a little over an hour after yours.
isn't it grand when the people we need to hear something intelligent and important from the most in this conversation have nothing more to say than to quibble of insignificant and truly minor side issues brought up in the conversation?
thanx for the amazing insight into finding a resolution for the problem.
split arena's and caps may at one time have served a purpose, but the problems that it was intended to cure have long since become a thing of the past. the cure has out lived it's purpose and now creates it's own form of infectious discontent amongst the masses.
facts for me stand as this; sign on look for squaddies, cant find squaddies then maybe stay for a bit and see if they show up, find squaddies and cant fly with them because of caps ask them if they are having a good time with alot of fights, if they are not ask them to come into other arena so we can stir up some crap as a group, if they are having a good time then i wont ask so they wont feel obligated, instead i tell them to have a good night and ill catch them later on, sign out find something else to do with my time.
I am a Muppet and i enjoy the company of my squad, to hang out with my squad and my best friend, who is also a Muppet, are the only reasons i came back after being gone for almost a year. i like the game OK enough, but my foundation for being here is purely for the company. there are millions of games of many types out there that i can spend endless hours playing, but in this one is where i found the company i like to keep. thus if caps prevent me from hanging with those individuals whose companionship serves as the foundation of my membership in aces high, then i will soon find that i have no foundation for wasting my time or money doing something that to me is limited in its overall appeal.
hell i get as much if not more entertainment here on the BBS as i generally get from playing the game, here i never get screen pauses, booted, HO'd, picked etc etc, and i can be here for free.
no this is not a whine or complaint, and this is not a "do it my way and make me happy or ill leave!" post, its a simple statement of facts based on my views. the truth of the matter is that when i get tired of paying for something that, due to built in or perceived circumstances, i derive little or no pleasure from, then i will stop paying for it.
the staff at hitech can act as great and grand and disinterested in post's as they choose, but the bottom line is this, unhappy people do not long pay for entertainment that they don't find fun and interesting, and this fact controls their bottom line.
but if they ARE out to get you,are you REALLY paranoid? :noid
SEE I KNEW THEY WERE OUT TO GET ME!!!!!!!!!!!
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isn't it grand when the people we need to hear something intelligent and important from the most in this conversation have nothing more to say than to quibble of insignificant and truly minor side issues brought up in the conversation?
thanx for the amazing insight into finding a resolution for the problem.
split arena's and caps may at one time have served a purpose, but the problems that it was intended to cure have long since become a thing of the past. the cure has out lived it's purpose and now creates it's own form of infectious discontent amongst the masses.
facts for me stand as this; sign on look for squaddies, cant find squaddies then maybe stay for a bit and see if they show up, find squaddies and cant fly with them because of caps ask them if they are having a good time with alot of fights, if they are not ask them to come into other arena so we can stir up some crap as a group, if they are having a good time then i wont ask so they wont feel obligated, instead i tell them to have a good night and ill catch them later on, sign out find something else to do with my time.
I am a Muppet and i enjoy the company of my squad, to hang out with my squad and my best friend, who is also a Muppet, are the only reasons i came back after being gone for almost a year. i like the game OK enough, but my foundation for being here is purely for the company. there are millions of games of many types out there that i can spend endless hours playing, but in this one is where i found the company i like to keep. thus if caps prevent me from hanging with those individuals whose companionship serves as the foundation of my membership in aces high, then i will soon find that i have no foundation for wasting my time or money doing something that to me is limited in its overall appeal.
hell i get as much if not more entertainment here on the BBS as i generally get from playing the game, here i never get screen pauses, booted, HO'd, picked etc etc, and i can be here for free.
no this is not a whine or complaint, and this is not a "do it my way and make me happy or ill leave!" post, its a simple statement of facts based on my views. the truth of the matter is that when i get tired of paying for something that, due to built in or perceived circumstances, i derive little or no pleasure from, then i will stop paying for it.
the staff at hitech can act as great and grand and disinterested in post's as they choose, but the bottom line is this, unhappy people do not long pay for entertainment that they don't find fun and interesting, and this fact controls their bottom line.
SEE I KNEW THEY WERE OUT TO GET ME!!!!!!!!!!!
got 1 question though.....do we know who "they" are? :noid :O :devil
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got 1 question though.....do we know who "they" are? :noid :O :devil
Im not sure.........but i know "they" are all around us!!!!!!!!!!!
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Skuzzy, people complain about this game ?
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isn't it grand when the people we need to hear something intelligent and important from the most in this conversation have nothing more to say than to quibble of insignificant and truly minor side issues brought up in the conversation?
thanx for the amazing insight into finding a resolution for the problem.
The problem is Flotsom, for as long as there have been Arena Caps, the folks at HTC HAVE been answering why they are there. Over, and over, and over. The problem is, people do not care for, or accept the answers as given.
Fact: HTC has stated multiple times that the size of the arena became as such that the game suffered.
Fact: HTC has directly been able to correlate implementation of arena caps with a rise in business.
Have things changed since then? Perhaps. Perhaps not. You and I do not have access to that data. However, HTC made a decision in the best interests of his business, and if he decides the caps are no longer serving their purpose, or even worse, hurting his income, then he will change what's implemented. What is he supposed to do until then? Just copy and paste the same response he's given over and over again? Here's just 3 examples of them giving answers...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,221928.msg2677826.html#msg2677826
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264069.msg3289222.html#msg3289222
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264069.msg3323611.html#msg3323611
We're not going to get info you want, because unless that info is "we're removing caps", you won't be satisfied. How do I know that? Because you aren't satisfied now, even though the reasoning behind the implementation of Arena Caps have been posted many times prior, and you aren't satisfied.
Look, I'm not saying I entirely disagree with you when it comes to caps. I am not the biggest fan either. But to accuse the crew at HTC of not answering questions about caps is just mind boggling, when they've done so many, many times.
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Have things changed since then? Perhaps. Perhaps not. You and I do not have access to that data.
Yes, they have, and yes, we have a access to a lot of data.
We're not going to get info you want, because unless that info is "we're removing caps", you won't be satisfied. How do I know that? Because you aren't satisfied now, even though the reasoning behind the implementation of Arena Caps have been posted many times prior, and you aren't satisfied.
These many times you are citing are from years ago. Back then I could (grudgingly ;)) live with caps. Now I can't, because the environment they are operating has changed and the result they produce is much different than back then
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Caps bother me for other reasons, aside from the obvious aforementioned reasons posted above.
My biggest gripe, being semi-retired and playing during the day, is that we'll have a huge map with 100 total players in it. That equates to roughly 33 per side, spread out over huge tracts of cartoon land.
While I don't typically enjoy the massive hording furball, I do like to have the choice of combat - I can fly a fighter, bomber, up a GV, etc.
The most fun I've had in this game recently came last weekend when we had a huge map and 350+ players.
Not whinin', just saying.
J
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Yes, they have, and yes, we have a access to a lot of data.
Except some crucial data like subscription numbers and the business revenue figures. We can claim the numbers are in decline but without knowing what the subscription numbers, whatever claims people make will be inaccurate. We also don't have the revenue figures and as such, we cannot make any accurate claims that revenue has gone down. All people can do is make assumptions and inaccurate ones at that. So, while we do have a lot of data it's just all assumption and conjecture without the critical data.
ack-ack
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when the question has changed then the answers need to be revisited. that was my point. the total number of players on at any one time has dropped dramatically, thus the caps are no longer needed as they currently are, so if they are to remain then a well thought out and intelligently put answer to the questions of why they remain is in order.
when skuzzy could take the time to make a correction to someones post, a correction that was of no real value to the conversation, but could not take the same amount of time to answer why the caps were still necessary in the face of the dwindling numbers, then personally i feel insulted and of little importance in his opinion.
if enough people have asked the same question over and over and appear to not comprehend the answer you have been giving, then maybe it is time to reevaluate the answer you are giving and consider altering it in a manner so that those who do not understand it or grasp your line of logic will.
i am not one who takes to being asked the same question over and over either. but i do understand that when a person is paying me to provide a service, and the service i am providing is causing them confusion and frustration, it is my obligation to answer them repeatedly and in every way i can think of to attempt to ensure that i will make them understand why things are the way they are. if i choose not to live up to this obligation then i choose to risk losing that individual(s) as a customer.
it is simple basic business 101, satisfy the customer.
Flench is a Muppet, he is my squaddie and i like him. i would not like to lose him as an on-line friend just because someone felt that it was beneath them to stop for a minute and give him the courtesy that he is paying for. even if that answer was given privately and not in a public forum. Flench is a good guy with a level head, if someone picked up a phone and said "hey we understand your distress and we would to make you a happier customer but due to blah blah and blah we have decided that currently it is best for all if things remain the way they are". i am more than certain that Flench would accept what ever they told him and become a much happier customer even though he will no be getting what he wanted. sometimes just being acknowledged with a touch of respect and intelligence is enough.
before you say it, yes i know that they cant possibly call everyone and have a conversation with them on this matter. that was just an exaggerated example. but mass email, a general post etc etc, they can do something.
like i said before, this is not a whine it's a simple statement of facts from my point of view. my view is mine and i don't expect anyone else to follow them, think as you as an individual would choose to. but ask yourself how long you would retain your job if you were as dismissive to those that pay you as it seamed that maybe Skuzzy was to Flench herein.
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if you cannot get into orange just tell your squadie to type"alt f4 is cheat codes" on 200 and i bet you will get in
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I'm not going in a arena with just 20 people in it . If I was going to do that I would play PF .
Don't let the door......................... ........! :cry
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Unreal !
BTW : The Hot Soup Mafia , Don't quit anything !
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I still don't understand how the arena cap is preventing anyone from playing. Yeah I get that you may not be able to play in a certain arena but it certainly is not preventing you from going to another.
I actually can appreciate the arena caps if it can keep a side from being so lopsided and disrupts the game for everyone.
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In an arena with 100 people
30 or so each side
2 fronts per country
15 people on one front on big map
Slow action
Prime time you got 3 times that much
Just seems normal to bulk up the numbers a bit
More fair even
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I still don't understand how the arena cap is preventing anyone from playing. Yeah I get that you may not be able to play in a certain arena but it certainly is not preventing you from going to another.
Which is empty.
This is the main problem for me, not that I can't join my squad/friends/foe XYZ.
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I actually can appreciate the arena caps if it can keep a side from being so lopsided and disrupts the game for everyone.
caps have the opposite effect to that - they lock in imbalance and exacerbate it ...
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I tend to go to where my squaddies are. Now , If I dont like the map in blue, I will wait in the lobby for orange open up and vice versa. I would not go into arena with 20 people either, usually in that case, people are sitting in the tower.I would hate to see Flench go or any other player leave for that matter. I honestly do not think that the powers to be have the capacity to satisfy everyone.
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isn't it grand when the people we need to hear something intelligent and important from the most in this conversation have nothing more to say than to quibble of insignificant and truly minor side issues brought up in the conversation?
thanx for the amazing insight into finding a resolution for the problem.
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Skuzzy post was a good one. It called "BS" on Flench's post and proves that "they" responded 3 times quicker than Flench said they did. Your off base with your comment.
Unfortunately it wasn't an answer Flench was looking for, tuff! you can't please everyone all the time. The issue isn't that HTC hasn't explained it enough, or well enough, it's that people refuse to understand it, or accept it because it isn't what THEY want. Again tuff ! Your comments of "everyone's complaining should clue them in" is BS also seeing as there are less than 1% or the people subscribed are posting on the boards. A vocal minority is voicing their displeasure. Their only other option is to STOP paying the subscription and move on. HTC has let it be known they are not going to bend over backwards and change things just because a "vocal minority" says to, so my guess is they are ok with him, and/or you leaving.
Skuzzy has no control on what info is released. Skuzzy is in charge of "Technical Support". One of his...and I'm sure one of his least favorite jobs, is to try and maintain order on these boards and answer questions on the technical side of this for the game. Subscriptions, populations, caps is NOT his area. If you want info on that stuff I'd suggest you contact the owner/lead programmer Hitech, or the Producer/programmer Pyro and ask them about it as it is they who control the game mechanics and all information about the game.
OK enough with the "fanboi" response, as to the original post, I to think times have changed and maybe it's time HTC take a new look at the caps, and/or timing of the start of the dynamic caps. As pointed out by Ack-Ack all of the info we have available is speculation and conjecture. Much like the score system the numbers can be manipulated many ways. Kills being down may have nothing to do with population numbers being down but just an over all decrease in skill and running away from fights....which of course NEVER happens in the arenas :D It's TOTALLY up to HTC to figure out whats up, and how to handle it. All we can do is either accept it and play in their sandbox, or move on. For me, while it isn't as much fun as it was years ago, it's still the best game around, so I think I'll stick around.
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. Kills being down may have nothing to do with population numbers being down but just an over all decrease in skill and running away from fights....which of course NEVER happens in the arenas
That's why I posted not only kills numbers, but also population comparisons, which showed how the arenas filled up 2 years ago and how they do now.
We have also data on # of active players per any given tour, k/h and so on ;)
On another note, some people seem do misunderstand my point. I have stated countless times that I did not put up all that charts & numbers to prove that caps have caused a drop in player numbers or even in less subscriptions.
I put them up to show that active player numbers have changed, and how now the cap system fails to work the way it did.
I think was always pretty clear about that.
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All this talk about speculation and conjecture; It's clear to me that prime time numbers on-line are down. It's also clear to me that activity on the BBs is down. Neither of these observations is either speculation nor conjecture. They are observed statements of fact. Now I may or may not be able to interpolate those observations to conclude that subscription numbers are down but I don't have to. The fact the lower on-line numbers are affecting the arena populations is enough reason to consider a change regardless of what's going on with subscriptions.
I know HT isn't quick to make changes; consider that painfull base taking order experiment. Maybe he thinks things will turn around. Maybe he has a hard time admitting a mistake. I don't know what his reasoning is. What I do know is it's time to revisit the split arenas and the arena caps.
I had more fun last weekend playing during the con with everyone in the same arena than I have for years. There were fights of all types all over the map and I saw names that I haven't in ages. Often when I log on these days there's two hoards facing one another and nothing going on on the rest of the map. The smaller skirmishes that a full map produces have largely been lost except for during a few hours in the evening. That diminishes play options and, at least for me, makes the game less fun.
Many like Titanic Tuesday, some don't. Numbers fluctuate during a twentyfour hour period and at this point I'd say the arena caps, if needed at all, should be limited to that small handfull of primetime hours. I'd be all for going back to a single LWMA. Not only do I think it would improve gameplay but I think it would also make the community stronger with everyone in the same sandbox. Maybe then those that don't like big player numbers would even repopulate some of the other arenas; we could only hope.
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...Often when I log on these days there's two hoards facing one another and nothing going on on the rest of the map.
I would dare to say that this does not come from arena cap per se, but from {player} improper side balancing.
Too often than not what used to happen was 1 side would outnumber the other two 2 to 1, this would of course cause the lower number sides to fight only the larger numbered side, hence your 2 horde front. That does not happen as often, but it will always happen at some point.
Again, I still don't see the argument. Arena caps may not be popular but it is in place and working to help prevent this from happening, not all inclusive, but from what I have seen the fights are better and seeing less of the horde as before, most of all fights are spread out along a front more than just having these two huge dars.
caps have the opposite effect to that - they lock in imbalance and exacerbate it ...
I disagree, I have not seen it that way for some time. I play often and find fights are plenty, at least now when a side is being bounced, its not as mismatched as before.
This has more effect on the "pledge the allegiance" types than anyone else, for instance: if 500 {insert chess piece} want to log in and there is only room for 100, that can in effect be bad for the other two {insert chess pieces} if they only have 100 each. This would of course lead to hording and all the other {insert whine} arguments.
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I thought Orange at 2am ET limit was at 400.
Is it possible something was adjusted? Just wondering.
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Again, I still don't see the argument. Arena caps may not be popular but it is in place and working to help prevent this from happening, not all inclusive, but from what I have seen the fights are better and seeing less of the horde as before, most of all fights are spread out along a front more than just having these two huge dars.
Let me guess. you did not play in euro peak time recently? ;)
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Except some crucial data like subscription numbers and the business revenue figures. We can claim the numbers are in decline but without knowing what the subscription numbers, whatever claims people make will be inaccurate. We also don't have the revenue figures and as such, we cannot make any accurate claims that revenue has gone down. All people can do is make assumptions and inaccurate ones at that. So, while we do have a lot of data it's just all assumption and conjecture without the critical data.
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There's nothing wrong with a good assumption when all data points to such a conclusion. Lusche's kills/tour graph is actually a great tool to see how many players are playing. I would reckon that the relative kill ratios from tour to tour are within 5% of the ratios of active players with subscriptions from tour to tour.
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I agree that numbers seem down, and I agree that the Euro guys are getting screwed. I also believe that HTC should take a new look and maybe make a change, if not that at least post a reason they are going to leave things as they are. Maybe they have numbers that back what they want to do. I don't expect them to tell us the numbers, but a post just stating that they have looked at the issue again and plan to keep things as they are for now, or that they are working on trying a new fix, or what ever.
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:aok +1 Fugitive