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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Changeup on November 01, 2010, 03:05:59 PM
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No fire-mission here...just another "fun-time" poll:
Instead of asking who wants to eliminate Late War arena caps, lets ask it differently.
Who feels like Late War Arena Caps are a fun vacuum and would like them to burn in hell?
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Chappy....Im not that smart but thanks, lol
Changeup
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I understand what HTC is trying to accomplish with the caps, but I also feel bad for the guys on the other side of the earth that have to deal with massive maps with 14 people in it because the other arena with everyone else in it is closed.
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I understand what HTC is trying to accomplish with the caps, but I also feel bad for the guys on the other side of the earth that have to deal with massive maps with 14 people in it because the other arena with everyone else in it is closed.
With all due respect, it happens nightly...you can't fly with squadmates that are locked in one arena that you have no hope of getting into for about 2 hours.
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With all due respect, it happens nightly...you can't fly with squadmates that are locked in one arena that you have no hope of getting into for about 2 hours.
I've had this happen to me as well. Having played other games, I suppose it doesn't bother me as much since I usually just try to get my buddies to join me in another server. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
I don't know how they would fix this while still maintaining 2 arenas. Are you proposing a "Titanic Tuesday" style structure (I'm not against the idea)?
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With all due respect, it happens nightly...you can't fly with squadmates that are locked in one arena that you have no hope of getting into for about 2 hours.
I have never seen any condition where a room was not available in a matter of minutes.
I have never seen anyone locked in an arena either.
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Shuff....I apologize....I inadvertantly used "locked" instead of "Unable to bypass the automatic arena security that prevents a player from entering when numerical player-levels reach a certain point."
I was "locked" OUT.....
Last night was a good example of the time frame of which I speak. I find that in some cases, just because I haven't witnessed something, doesn't mean it can't/doesn't happen. I, like most, have more fun when I fly with folks I know....I still have some fun with other folks, like you Shuffler, but it isn't a stretch to say that almost everyone in here joined a squad of some kind for this very reason. For the sake of arena caps, 15 of your buddies are in Orange and you can't go fly with them and for what really? Maps will work in both arenas.
Just sayin :salute
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I have never seen any condition where a room was not available in a matter of minutes.
I have never seen anyone locked in an arena either.
Changeup is right...sometimes you cant get in Orange for awhile...Ive been locked out for hours
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I've had this happen to me as well. Having played other games, I suppose it doesn't bother me as much since I usually just try to get my buddies to join me in another server. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
I don't know how they would fix this while still maintaining 2 arenas. Are you proposing a "Titanic Tuesday" style structure (I'm not against the idea)?
Yes I am...why not? Everyone can play and it HELPS solve the international time issues....I said HELPS.
Changeup
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something was messed up last night either caps came in late or a reset.
Logged in at 9pm GMT (3 hours after caps kick in) had 250/100 and 50/150. Had to wait a whole 10-15 minutes for it to become 180/200 105/150 :eek:
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Changeup is right...sometimes you cant get in Orange for awhile...Ive been locked out for hours
Locked out is different from locked in. The original comment referred to squaddies being locked into an arena where another guy can't enter.
With all due respect, it happens nightly...you can't fly with squadmates that are locked in one arena that you have no hope of getting into for about 2 hours.
I have never seen anyone locked in an arena either.
Sounds like Shuff read the post correctly. Nobody is locked in an arena - they can leave whenever they want.
While I feel bad that people can't play with their buddies the instant they log on, I tire of all these same whine posts. But then reading them is better than some of the mind-dulling things I'm supposed to be doing at work. :D
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Yes I am...why not? Everyone can play and it HELPS solve the international time issues....I said HELPS.
Changeup
I agree, it could help.
I think if they were to change it to one arena, there should be a trial period. I get the feeling that after one month of a single arena, there will be an increase to the horde whines.
HOWEVER:
Some of the best and most fun dog fights I've ever been in have been horde vs. horde.
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ImaDot....really? I mean "drop-your-cell-phone-in-the-urinal", REALLY? Locked in, locked out....REALLY!!? I tire of smartazzed responses from trolling, mind-dulled....nevermind...lol. Besides, this is a POLL, not a whine. Maybe your work environment is affecting your spirited, critiquing and ability to differentiate between the two. We have some openings at our company....send me your resume and I will have our HR group look into it for you.
Changeup
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I think if they were to change it to one arena, there should be a trial period. I get the feeling that after one month of a single arena, there will be an increase to the horde whines.
I think we all have learned in the past 4 years that it doesn't need 500 players in a single arena to have "hordes only"... 25-22-8 with both big countries pounding on the small one ("quick! grab bases before people come in to defend!") ;)
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I think we all have learned in the past 4 years that it doesn't need 500 players in a single arena to have "hordes only"... 25-22-8 with both big countries pounding on the small one ("quick! grab bases before people come in to defend!") ;)
Good call....I have been one of the 8 and the guys I flew with were not from Thermopylae. All the while 16 of my buddies were in an arena that I was "LOCKED OUT OF" (with indifference to IMADOT) having a great time hording someone else.
Changeup
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"LOCKED OUT OF" (with indifference to IMADOT)
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:salute
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I think we all have learned in the past 4 years that it doesn't need 500 players in a single arena to have "hordes only"... 25-22-8 with both big countries pounding on the small one ("quick! grab bases before people come in to defend!") ;)
I totally agree!
However, I've seen people complain about hordes on 200 when the sides are pretty much even...
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I totally agree!
However, I've seen people complain about hordes on 200 when the sides are pretty much even...
Hordes can appear under almost any condition.
Even with balanced sides, you have nights where B horde K, K horde R and R horde B. That's something that just happens, and none of the current mechanisms can prevent that.
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i never get "locked out" of the AVA or the Midwar! maybe you guys should try it some time?
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HT, I think they want you to drop Caps for Euro times.
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HT, I think they want you to drop Caps for Euro times.
The problem with that is that you run into an even bigger imbalance later on. Then it's like 200 / 20 (though for a shorter time possibly)
My proposal would be simply to drop the CAPS on weekdays. I had presented the numbers a few times now: Currently both LW arenas combined rarely reach & surpass the max number of players in the biggest arena after the split. Only on weekends we still do have strong numbers, I could live with having the caps on Saturday & Sunday.
I think having a peak 400-450 players for 2 hours is not such a huge problem as looking at locked 100/40 for four hours. And they would be still 2 separate LW arenas, everyone would have the choice to join the second one if 300-400 players is to much on a large map for him.
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With all due respect, it happens nightly...you can't fly with squadmates that are locked in one arena that you have no hope of getting into for about 2 hours.
All you have to do is ask your squadmates to stop having fun and leave the good fight they have to found and come on over to the arena where nothing is happening. You're so selfish dude. :frown:
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HT, I think they want you to drop Caps for Euro times.
But what if you did start caps later, or start caps larger, like 200?
Would a later start time and greater imbalance as U.S. prime time began force people into the open arena as there is no other choice and fill the smaller arena faster or would people do as they do now and not even bother?
Just a thought.
If everyone went into the arena "with no one in it" who could not get into the full arena there would actually be someone to fight.
I have no problem with the caps. I usually don't bother with the full arena but if I'm determined to get in it usually doesn't take more than five of six minutes of trying.
wrongway
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I have seen where the arena was full for a very short time. They always become available in short order in my experiences.
I'll have to put the locked out for hours in my bag of never seen items till I see it....... let's see, it is beside the lochness monster and bigfoot. :D
I'll keep an eye out and let you know when I see the arena locked for hours. :D
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If everyone went into the arena "with no one in it" who could not get into the full arena there would actually be someone to fight.
We could say "if player numbers wouldn't drop" the same way ;)
We don't even know if players go away/play less because if caps or of any other reason or a combination. We can only see: the caps triggers & times are the same now as they had been years ago with almost double the players at euro evenings. And thats why they do not work anymore like they used to do.
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I think if they gave out gowns with the caps then folks would accept it more.
..... maybe throw in a rolled up paper with a string around it.....
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Nothing is going to happen with the cap situation because the vast majority of players complaining about them are still forking over the $15 a month. The cap was put in place because HTC saw a better retention of new subscribers with the cap. If the number of existing players leaving the game outnumbered the new players joining the game they would be forced to think of a new idea QUICKLY. Im not saying to end your subscription but from a business owners point of view HTC really has to motivation to change as the caps are doing exactly what they were intended to do.
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All you have to do is ask your squadmates to stop having fun and leave the good fight they have to found and come on over to the arena where nothing is happening. You're so selfish dude. :frown:
Truth-saying will get you whipped here Slash. :aok
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All you have to do is ask your squadmates to stop having fun and leave the good fight they have to found and come on over to the arena where nothing is happening. You're so selfish dude. :frown:
They may be bored with no fight. You could try to find a fight in the other arena and alert them to it.
Just because a arena has numbers does not mean the other arena will not have a better fight going on. I think too many folks just assume that is true.
If you go into the other arena it also changes the numbers and they may shift. Then when you drop out of that arena you may find the primary arena you wanted into has slots.
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No fire-mission here...just another "fun-time" poll:
Instead of asking who wants to eliminate Late War arena caps, lets ask it differently.
Who feels like Late War Arena Caps are a fun vacuum and would like them to burn in hell?
+1
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They may be bored with no fight. You could try to find a fight in the other arena and alert them to it.
Just because a arena has numbers does not mean the other arena will not have a better fight going on. I think too many folks just assume that is true.
If you go into the other arena it also changes the numbers and they may shift. Then when you drop out of that arena you may find the primary arena you wanted into has slots.
Not my first rodeo :aok
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CAPS wouldn't be a problem if they never fall below 200.
There is no reason whatsoever to have 150/100 caps at noon ET.
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Not my first rodeo :aok
aWWW CRUD..... so those are rope burns :neener:
da debils advocate cuzz mama said
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See Rule #6
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There are currently more maps and more choices :D
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Two shovels against the wall and told to take your Pick, would that be confusing to such a literalist I guess it would.
To the literalists out there, "choice of two late war maps"
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See Rule #6
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We don't even know if players go away/play less because if caps or of any other reason or a combination. We can only see: the caps triggers & times are the same now as they had been years ago with almost double the players at euro evenings. And thats why they do not work anymore like they used to do.
True but the prevailing attitude seems to be try over and over to get into the full arena or just log off.
Like someone else said, you're still paying your $ to fly or not....
I would speculate that if getting rid of the caps because of dropping numbers happens then things are pretty bad off for the game overall.
wrongway
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True but the prevailing attitude seems to be try over and over to get into the full arena or just log off.
Which is in some way absolutely understandable. When it was down to 40 or less players for almost 4 hours (and I went in... it sucked), you can't plame people if they chose not to sit there in hope someone else will finally follow. Woth only 140 players only, what do you expect when splitting them 100-40 on two arenas? That's far from being the "massive mulitplayer" many of us joined Ah for.
Oh and for the record... the action in LWO was as bad, with caps kicking in most battles simply dried out. That's what happens every evening at 7pm CET.
I would speculate that if getting rid of the caps because of dropping numbers happens then things are pretty bad off for the game overall.
IMHO, for us flying at euro times (yes, I'm selfish), it's worse keeping the same caps mechanism at only 50-66% population we had years ago, instead of saying "currently the numbers are much lower, let's dispense caps on workdays until we get more players again."
I can live with caps it it means about one hour "downtime" each evening - that's how it's been for years, and that's how it still worked on weekend. But not if it strangles gameplay the whole evening.
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It's messing things up even more
Because the caps are so WAC people stay in orange afk for hours
It's not a surprise to see twenty people on each country not in flight in orange
So even there where the numbers are ment to be you can't find decent fights....
Caps are WAC
No doubt
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:lol
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I dont even remember what I said there....... :headscratch:
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Two shovels against the wall and told to take your Pick, would that be confusing to such a literalist I guess it would.
To the literalists out there, "choice of two late war maps"
I see..... so your limiting yourself to just the late war selections and upset over someone else limiting the use of one of those.
It's all so clear now...... in a limiting way.
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All you have to do is ask your squadmates to stop having fun and leave the good fight they have to found and come on over to the arena where nothing is happening. You're so selfish dude. :frown:
LMAO!!
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LMAO!!
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I have seen where the arena was full for a very short time. They always become available in short order in my experiences.
I'll have to put the locked out for hours in my bag of never seen items till I see it....... let's see, it is beside the lochness monster and bigfoot. :D
I'll keep an eye out and let you know when I see the arena locked for hours. :D
I have a better idea..why not give me your cell phone number and I will call you when the clock starts...that way you can see what I see at the same time I see it....I bet you won't go swimming in the deep end of the Loch either....just sayin.
Changeup
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I have a better idea..why not give me your cell phone number and I will call you when the clock starts...that way you can see what I see at the same time I see it....I bet you won't go swimming in the deep end of the Loch either....just sayin.
Changeup
Everyone always wanting my phone number....... I'm booked solid. I'm the new singing sensation. My voice is know to break glass. Folks will do anything to get out of the room.
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Two shovels against the wall and told to take your Pick, would that be confusing to such a literalist I guess it would.
To the literalists out there, "choice of two late war maps"
Umm, oh great philosopher...to the pragmatists..."one map locked, only one choice left"....I see your logic and raise you a truth.
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Everyone always wanting my phone number....... I'm booked solid. I'm the new singing sensation. My voice is know to break glass. Folks will do anything to get out of the room.
I'm married to a lawyer so there is little chance we could become an item and if your singing damages my ears, she will sue you. Wait, she thinks my ears are damaged already....we're good so send it.
Changeup
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They may be bored with no fight. You could try to find a fight in the other arena and alert them to it.
Just because a arena has numbers does not mean the other arena will not have a better fight going on. I think too many folks just assume that is true.
If you go into the other arena it also changes the numbers and they may shift. Then when you drop out of that arena you may find the primary arena you wanted into has slots.
DISAGREE
It is not assumed you will find a "better" fight in an arena that has 150 players in it vs an arena with 5-10 players, it is true.
Caps are killing us right now.
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I dont even remember what I said there....... :headscratch:
Not your fault Llogann you quoted my post which included a slightly derogatory term describing what I thought of the caps.
The gist of what I wrote without the rule 6 infringement was that I know of no other game where you are subject to enforced separation from your squadmates.
You can of course go through the ten minute login logout shuffle to get where you want to be ofc or go play with the tumbleweed hmm deep joy.
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DISAGREE
It is not assumed you will find a "better" fight in an arena that has 150 players in it vs an arena with 5-10 players, it is true.
Caps are killing us right now.
Not "us" just you I guess.
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Obviously not.