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My wife recently traveled w AKAirlines, im pissed at em, well tsa anyway. butwipes felt her inappropiately. she felt violated. like she looks like them terds from 9-11. what bs. what deucebags, my 2 pennies.
file a suit.
i hate to say that, but that's what it's probably gonna take to stop this stuff.
file a suit.
i hate to say that, but that's what it's probably gonna take to stop this stuff.
...and people say I'm crazy for building my own plane...
file a suit.
i hate to say that, but that's what it's probably gonna take to stop this stuff.
tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
I hear Iran is pretty lax on airport security.
tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/WTC_smoking_on_9-11.jpeg)
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
I hear Iran is pretty lax on airport security.
tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/WTC_smoking_on_9-11.jpeg)
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
I hear Iran is pretty lax on airport security.
No thanks, I'll pass. Using your line of logic we should all live in padded bomb shelters and have our daily protein pill provided to us by the government.
i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/WTC_smoking_on_9-11.jpeg)[/center
those that feel more secure from things like this are not necessarily bad......but they are being fooled, as this is nothing more than a false security.
those that feel more secure from things like this are not necessarily bad......but they are being fooled, as this is nothing more than a false security.
That's not much better there greens. Many people die due to alcohol related automobile accidents every year, should the police in Alaska be allowed to stop all vehicles being driven by non whites and administer field sobriety testing? Because obviously a white man would never drive drunk, especially whilst wearing a suit, but we all know those Eskimos can't hold their liquor.2nd darndest thing i witness today. btw we shud meet up sumday. we'll see how manly u r. btw not a natives r alcoholics drunks etc. im heading to anchorage, ak via alaska airlines on december 14th ur invited there. lets meet up ill give u a taste of eskimo
/sarcasm
Did you know there are American citizens, white ones at that, fighting for our enemies abroad?
lol cant resist
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2nd darndest thing i witness today. btw we shud meet up sumday. we'll see how manly u r. btw not a natives r alcoholics drunks etc. im heading to anchorage, ak via alaska airlines on december 14th ur invited there. lets meet up ill give u a taste of eskimo
2nd darndest thing i witness today. btw we shud meet up sumday. we'll see how manly u r. btw not a natives r alcoholics drunks etc. im heading to anchorage, ak via alaska airlines on december 14th ur invited there. lets meet up ill give u a taste of eskimo
tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/WTC_smoking_on_9-11.jpeg)
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
I hear Iran is pretty lax on airport security.
OK to answer all three of you at once, if you walk through the machine then nobody gets felt up do they?
secondly its a same sex search, your not going to have men feeling up women in a pat search, it will be women. that is currently the law for all forms of body search and i don't see it changing now.
our women being violated????????????????????? violated????? really???? are they being penetrated???? are they being forced to stand in front of a bunch of people ogling them and touching themselves in inappropriate fashions? oh my god how pathetic and self righteous can a woman be???? she gets searched like everyone else. we live in a nation of pathetically lazy and self righteous people, but they also have a right to be kept as safe as possible.
those of you that believe that luggage goes unscanned really need to do your home work before you speak. nothing gets loaded that isn't cleared, and because its luggage not living it gets scanned much more efficiently. here try starting here http://host.madison.com/wsj/business/article_8472baae-ef5b-11df-9cac-001cc4c03286.html (http://host.madison.com/wsj/business/article_8472baae-ef5b-11df-9cac-001cc4c03286.html) just because it can be fast doesn't mean its not effective.
greens before you talk about what a white man would or wouldn't do in the name of god read your christian history. we are not innocent of our atrocities or our fanatics. do you know that many many whites are muslems? racial profiling doesnt work, safety measures to prevent acts of violence help but even those are inevitably defeatable. so they must change with the times.
so tec because i want my family not to die by the hands of a fanatic when it is easily preventable then that means i am a paranoid who wants to live in a bomb shelter? you take reasonable preventative measures to extreme retarded thought and arguments. i have historical support for my paranoia, your argument has nothing behind it but the bodies of those who have died because of people who win arguments the way you just presented your case. i suppose you think its outrageous that states are adopting laws that require children to wear protective head gear when riding their bikes skateboards ect. i further suppose that you think it is completely unreasonable that people shouldn't be allowed to drink and drive, hey they know when they have had enough......right?
there is a difference between reasonable safety and fanatical paranoia. don't confuse what i am saying to be anything more than what it is, reasonable measures to ensure the safety of others.
Those that are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither.
so tec because i want my family not to die by the hands of a fanatic when it is easily preventable then that means i am a paranoid who wants to live in a bomb shelter? you take reasonable preventative measures to extreme retarded thought and arguments. i have historical support for my paranoia, your argument has nothing behind it but the bodies of those who have died because of people who win arguments the way you just presented your case. i suppose you think its outrageous that states are adopting laws that require children to wear protective head gear when riding their bikes skateboards ect. i further suppose that you think it is completely unreasonable that people shouldn't be allowed to drink and drive, hey they know when they have had enough......right?
there is a difference between reasonable safety and fanatical paranoia. don't confuse what i am saying to be anything more than what it is, reasonable measures to ensure the safety of others.
ok all of you guys who use this line got a question for you.....
do you lock your house doors and/or windows?
do you lock your car doors?
do you secure in any fashion anything that you deam being of value?
well then you trade ease and convienance for security.
any act of security required some type of sacrifice. or should we disband our entire military and lay off every member of law enforcement? hell those are just security measures arent they? and dont they occassionally fail to catch the bad guy before he does something horrible?
your arguments hold no logic, they are tough words that are hollow when viewed under the light of reality.
as for the rest of your statement Von, how did airport and many other branches of security not fail there?
self defense is by its definition self security by the way.
Cap........you want it and you know it :neener: :rofl
ok all of you guys who use this line got a question for you.....
do you lock your house doors and/or windows? during the day when I'm home nope , only when its bedtime, is locking it going to really stop someone that wants in? if they want to bust in when I'm home great I'll call the cops and tell them to bring body bags
do you lock your car doors? nope, no need to great town i live in
do you secure in any fashion anything that you deam being of value? like my above posts, My insurance takes care of any losses to my home or truck
well then you trade ease and convienance for security.
any act of security required some type of sacrifice. or should we disband our entire military and lay off every member of law enforcement? hell those are just security measures arent they? and dont they occassionally fail to catch the bad guy before he does something horrible? this is just off the wall and makes no sense
ok all of you guys who use this line got a question for you.....
do you lock your house doors and/or windows? No, I have a Schutzhund trained German Shepherd. If he isn't enough of a deterrent, keep reading
do you lock your car doors? No again, I own a soft top Wrangler so I feel it's a bit pointless don't you think? I'd rather anyone looking to steal from my Jeep just open the door and look around rather than cutting my top
do you secure in any fashion anything that you deam being of value? In a manner of speaking, I suppose. I own firearms
well then you trade ease and convienance for security. Evidently, not
any act of security required some type of sacrifice. or should we disband our entire military and lay off every member of law enforcement? hell those are just security measures arent they? and dont they occassionally fail to catch the bad guy before he does something horrible? No system is perfect but regulating the ever-loving piss out of each and every aspect of society will not fix things, either.
your arguments hold no logic, they are tough words that are hollow when viewed under the light of reality. The only logic needed when my, or my family's personal safety is at stake is as follows: aiming center mass, breathe, relax, aim and squeeze
as for the rest of your statement Von, how did airport and many other branches of security not fail there? They were box cutters, bro. Not traditional weapons. Neither are ball-point pens, but I'm sure I'll live to see the day that they are banned on flights, as well
self defense is by its definition self security by the way. Yet it does not require any sacrifice of freedom to learn how to defend one's self
Cap........you want it and you know it :neener: :rofl
I really have no problem with the scans since I looked at the images that are generated. They are not very clear at all and in my opinion are much less invasive than a pat down is. With this in mind I feel that is very reasonable requirement for air travel and as far as I am concerned is no infringement on rights.
As far as I know there is no right to air travel. If you don't like the requirements there are several other ways to get where you are going that require none of these security measures.
or i'll just fart like there's no tomorrow. farts are always funny. :rofl
Who is to decide what's reasonable and what's not? You just admitted you would be all for public strip searches in the name of safety. So why not just toss out the 4th amendment? I mean if it's in the name of safety it's all good right? Why not give the police the power to just enter any home and check for contraband, or wiretap whomever they please? It's not that I give a rats bellybutton about some stupid scanner at an airport, what I care about is people who willingly give up their rights/freedoms. Keep playing the bleeding heart card, I'm sure it works on plenty of people. You want to carry on about all the people who have died because of our freedoms, what about the vastly larger number that have died to provide us with them?
my statement was "I" would, that was a reference to personal sacrifice of modesty, not to what others should take as being acceptable. and yet again you go to the edge of what the police would be entitled to do in the name of safety and security. answer me this Tec, who was the last person close to you that died needlessly because of the preventable actions of another? were you there when it happened? did their blood stain you clothes?
if it came down to a trade i would tell you this, you can keep your anarchy just give me back the woman i lost to a drunk driver when i was a teen, give me back the friend i was standing next to when he was shot by another kid, give me back.........well there are actually to many to list and my sorrows are not this boards business, so just give me back even one of the lives i have seen snuffed out or permanently damaged due to the preventable actions of another and i will fight for your anarchy.
till you can do that, live your delusion that you are losing something because others want to be safe, but let them have their blanket.
Zoom lucky you if your life is generally that safe. I'm honestly happy for your peace of mind.
Von a box cutter is sharper than most standard knives. if they had not been allowed on the planes then maybe things would have gone differently that day. counting on a dog and/or personal fire arms to defend yourself is as silly as believing that these machines will stop all would be terrorist. the fact that you have them allows you to "feel" secure and they do serve as a deterant to most others who may consider doing you harm, if someone works at it hard enough they will find a way around those things, but the harder you make it the longer it will take them and most will give up before they get very far. that is the same as these machines, they can be defeated, but most will stop before they try. they either do not have the mental faculties or the physical means to defeat the security so they will look for an easier target instead.
What we need is Lemurs watching you
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tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/WTC_smoking_on_9-11.jpeg)
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
I hear Iran is pretty lax on airport security.
it is a right to move freely, free of unreasonable search and/or seizure.
and do you really want your nuts x-rayed?
do you not think there is a reason that the dentist tosses a lead blanket over them when they x-ray your mouth? or a reason they leave the room.>?
It is and you can drive, take a train, walk they may take longer but are all other methods of traveling. These things are being done with to increase the safety of air travel.
IMHO this is no different than giving out certain information as meeting requirements to get a driver's license. If you don't want to meet them then you don't drive it is your choice. Air travel is not a guaranteed right or a requirement to be a US citizen.
I personally don't choose flying as my first option for travel due to the cost and how much of a pain it is to get through security, I don't think it is worth my trouble and time. I would have to be pressed for time in order for me to fly any where. Back when I used to travel for work you could arrive inside the airport 5 minutes prior to your flight leaving and still make the flight, then it was worth flying. I understand the increases in security but find it not worth my trouble any longer but these new requirements would not stop me.
There was just recently a big questions about rights being infringed on at my employer recently and in the meeting that followed it was expressed and pointed out that there have been several law suits filed and lost due to the fact that the measure being taken was placed there for the safety of the masses. The question was them making it a requirement for all employees of the hospital getting flu shot. Though they did not have to, they gave us a way out but they made it such a pain that almost everyone showed up for the shot.
BTW in answer to your last questions. I understand the dangers involved with x-rays and again your choice to fly, if it is that important to you take the train, bus, or auto.
Has anyone worn a dosimeter when they have gone through one of these things?
I've "accidentally" sat on a steam pipe putting out over 2-5 REM/hour.
some of us can't take an entire week off to drive.
i am being restricted from moving freely, as my ability to reasonably fly is being restricted.
and finally, do you think this will stop here?
how long till they start this at bus stations?
how long till they start this at train stations?
how long till they have security checkpoints at toll booths on the toll roads? and then the non-toll roads?
i mean...if it's for safety, they it must be ok, right?
2-5 rem/hour? What in the would do you do?
BTW in answer to your last questions. I understand the dangers involved with x-rays and again your choice to fly, if it is that important to you take the train, bus, or auto.what about pilots who have to submit to them at least once a day if not more? they have to go through them too and more frequently than any passenger would
2-5 rem/hour? What in the would do you do?
what about pilots who have to submit to them at least once a day if not more? they have to go through them too and more frequently than any passenger would
Multiple health institutions have all done studies with these new machines and all have come to the same conclusion that they produce more radiation than any previous machine which can affect your health over repeated use.
what about pilots who have to submit to them at least once a day if not more? they have to go through them too and more frequently than any passenger would
Multiple health institutions have all done studies with these new machines and all have come to the same conclusion that they produce more radiation than any previous machine which can affect your health over repeated use.
While I realize that everyone can't do that as easily as others that is still a choice of yours to make. I looked through the Bill of Rights as well and found nothing in there that says that there is right to travel freely. Just saying.
I guess when it becomes a safety concern for these forms of travel then I suspect I will feel much the same as I do now. My personal reservations should not impede others from a safe existence. Like I said earlier though I don't understand the big issue here these are not exactly detailed pictures. http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/how_it_works.shtm (http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/how_it_works.shtm)
But hey your opinion is as good as mine.
in the video it equals the rad does to 2 minutes of flying. now most flights are an hour or more so which do you think the pilot or even the passengers have more to worry about, the scan or the actual flight?
in the video it equals the rad does to 2 minutes of flying. now most flights are an hour or more so which do you think the pilot or even the passengers have more to worry about, the scan or the actual flight?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html)
Do the flight staff need to enter through these security check points? I personally have never seen them go through one and just assumed that there was a separate entrance and/or simply walked around the detectors at the entrance to the gates.
If this indeed an issue for pilots it would not take much for them to get it changed as OSHA would be more than willing to point out the obvious danger to employees considering they love nothing more than to point out flaws in work practices.
I see that the more they try to make things safe they are going to look deeper into things that sometimes we don't want to be seen but sometimes it is necessary.
If they just suddenly threw this in with no justification for it at all, believe me I would be right there with you but there have been issues where this may have been a help and given the way things have been going lately, I think it is a good idea.
If something happened where someone snuck something through that this thing would have caught then all that you will hear about is how the technology existed and not used. Where will the finger point then?
someone will stil sneak something on, should they so desire.
A medical x-ray penetrates the body giving a distributed dose. The x-ray back scatter is concentrated on the skin. Some people worry about increasing skin cancer risks. The millimeter wave has unknown long term effects. Draw your own conclusions on this http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1290527/Airport-body-scanners-deliver-radiation-dose-20-times-higher-thought.html)
All it would take to get anything past security and onto a plane is the same way prisoners have been doing it for the longest time.
The first article isn't about radiation exposure it's about the possibility of terahertz millimeter waves unzipping sections of DNA strands. The second article states that the exposure may be higher than generally known.
in the video it equals the rad does to 2 minutes of flying. now most flights are an hour or more so which do you think the pilot or even the passengers have more to worry about, the scan or the actual flight?Showing that the 2 minute dose that one receives from flying at altitude is possibly misleading.
Bluntly the dose was under-reported and disinformation was given out to lead people into thinking the dose was lower. Does that make it any better or worse? Not really.
The article was linked in response to: Showing that the 2 minute dose that one receives from flying at altitude is possibly misleading.
Bluntly the dose was under-reported and disinformation was given out to lead people into thinking the dose was lower. Does that make it any better or worse? Not really.
The article was linked in response to: Showing that the 2 minute dose that one receives from flying at altitude is possibly misleading.
heres a interesting read, over 35,000 pics were saved from the Florida courthouse, TSA has said over and over again that body imagers used for security purposes are unable to store, export or print images of passenger but yet 10's of thousands have been saved and leaked, so much for those rules, why would you want to keep them? and for what purpose but we feel safer dont we
http://news.discovery.com/tech/one-hundred-body-scan-images-published.html (http://news.discovery.com/tech/one-hundred-body-scan-images-published.html)
Article two
http://news.discovery.com/tech/feds-accidentally-save-body-scan-images-ooops.html (http://news.discovery.com/tech/feds-accidentally-save-body-scan-images-ooops.html)
I present that as one of the concerns that seems to have merit. Do you want some more?
That the images cannot and would not be saved.
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans (http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html)
http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf (http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf) Pages 7 and 16
Possibility of using the machines that produce higher definition images and a program to invert said image as pornography, including children.
Cannot include links as they violate forum rules.
Violations of peoples religious beliefs.
There are more concerns besides the possible and unknown long term health risks.
I present that as one of the concerns that seems to have merit. Do you want some more?
That the images cannot and would not be saved.
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans (http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20012583-281.html)
http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf (http://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf) Pages 7 and 16
Possibility of using the machines that produce higher definition images and a program to invert said image as pornography, including children.
Cannot include links as they violate forum rules.
Violations of peoples religious beliefs.
There are more concerns besides the possible and unknown long term health risks.
OK Tec is Obama n flotsom is vice pres :aok they right we not.
Bold fail
but let them have their blanket.
What we need is Lemurs watching you
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Nope. Blackberry fail. :cryHad to mess with you there Karaya.:devil
hows about this.................
shame on those people who carru bombs and weapons onboard airliners making this kind of security a necessary evil of modern society?
why dont we blame those who brought it on and not those who try to make life a little safer for the masses.
oh and by your own logic should we remove from the store shelves and from the homes of people every type of photographic equipment that has ever been created???? cause im sure at some point some scumbag has misused at least one of every kind of camera that has ever existed.
and as a final and really sickening thought ask yourself a question...would you rather an unidentifiable out of focus and fuzzy picture be found in some sleaze bags possession someday or a grave to visit....... which would you prefer to take the risk on?
LOL @ the video on the gizmodo page, the one from Florida. Did you guys even watch it? You can't see a single detail! Looks like a photoshop filter that turns you into cotton.
The long term health risks are bothersome. The millimeter band frequency they operate at is known to "unzip" DNA strands. If this happens, then that cell will not replicate correctly. As a biologist, I will refuse to walk through one. Feel my sack, if you must. I will give you a lollipop after, TSA dude.
The sample images from the body scans the TSA released are severely doctored as to hide the true effectiveness of the machine to the conservative (not the political meaning of the word) american populace. The true images from backscatter XRays are crystal clear, no matter what the TSA says. One handbook actually declares "if the genitals are not in clear focus, the scan is not being completed at an effective ratio."
While I don't really care who sees me naked, in fact, I would gladly walk through the airport au natural, I'm still young, dumb and in shape...... my girlfriend, on the other hand, will not be examined by Mister "fresh out of community college" TSA agent, an agency whose hiring procedures have already led to the hiring of convicted sex offenders and at least 3 pedophiles.
It is my opinion this is the latest reinforcing agent that the war on terrorism is over, and we have objectively lost.
This is not acceptable.
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Warhed if you keep reading it says the video is from a older machine that is much fuzzier than the other more sophisticated ones there using in Airports, that vid was from the courthouse i do beleive, read the whole article not just watch the vid
No thanks. I may be willing to make some concessions in life in the name of safety, I will not make them in the name of "feeling safe". As you yourself pointed out earlier in the thread anyone(well most) who don't feel like the blanket here is adequately warm and snuggly are free to go.
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i dunno your opinion on gun ownership, and fear i may be getting close to the edge here...but assuming you own some sort of firearm legally....but in the name of safety(because someone might break into your shop and steal it) would you give up your firearm just as easily?
please don't intrepret anything i'm saying as me being a sweetie .....
Tec your awesome.....an azzholieo......but awesome! :salute
my opinion on gun ownership....well i understand both sides of that debate. i believe in the end it is personal choice. especially considering that statistically those who own the gun are most likely to be its victim if it causes someone injury. if you own then and act responsible and handle them maturely then all should be fine, if you act like an idiot well then you will pay the price for your own stupidity.
so let stupid people own all the guns they want :) it will help keep the population down!
i use to own alot of firearms, i gave them up of my own choice and of my own decision, and do not own any today. due to past indiscretions involving other types of legal matters the government prefers i keep it that way :) , but if i am in absolute need of one i can get one, its not like that's really difficult.
OK sweetie :)
you ain't gonna try to make me wear a skirt now, are ya? :noid :bolt:
I'll be getting the pat down until the long-term health effects of these scanners has been determined. I'm high risk for skin cancer so the mere mention of it has turned me off for now.
I've got no problem with being seen naked. The problem lies with TSA and their lack of professionalism. They need to get their act together, plain and simple.
If it were up to me, these scanners wouldn't be necessary because there'd be plenty of legally armed civilians already on board airplanes. But we all know that'll never happen.
That is the core of the issue. While not being armed on a commercial flight, vigilance, prudence and being observant (i.e. having decent SA) would prevent lots of these incidents.
If others acted like the guy on the plane with the "underwear bomber" did, would-be attackers may think twice about trying this crap. This guy turned and saw the "underwear bomber" up to no-good and said "Oh HELL no, not on my ride home you are not!"
The problem is that people are assuming less and less responsibility for their own safety, and are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety provided by government entities.
I, however, am not one of them.
"As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff's blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs' breasts to everyone in the area," the lawsuit said. "As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated."
The suit said the woman filed an administrative claim against the TSA, but the agency never responded, sparking the lawsuit.The suit also claims that other TSA employees continued to joke and laugh about the incident for an extended period of time. The woman was distraught over the incident and left the screening area so an acquaintance could console her, the suit said.
When the woman re-entered the boarding area, employees once again began joking about the matter, the suit said."One male TSA employee expressed to the plaintiff that he wished he would have been there when she came through the first time and that 'he would just have to watch the video,'" the suit said.
The law suits are starting to pile up... These clowns aren't going to be around much longer. :aok
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-10-11/lawsuit-airport-search-indecent
I'll be getting the pat down until the long-term health effects of these scanners has been determined. I'm high risk for skin cancer so the mere mention of it has turned me off for now.
A Miami Transportation Security Administration screener was arrested this week after allegedly using an expandable police baton to beat up a co-worker in an airport parking lot.
The TSA considers what to do about airport security.
The reason for the assault: police said the victim and other TSA employees had been making fun of the size of the screener's genitals.
The disagreement started several months ago when screener Rolando Negrin, 44, and his co-workers were trained on the TSA's controversial full body image scanners.
The body scanners allow TSA staff in a separate room view images of the of airline passengers' full bodies, private parts and all, with the passenger's face blurred.
According to the police report, during the training exercise the machines revealed that Negrin "had a small noodle and [his] co-workers made fun of him on a daily basis."
After months of ridicule, Negrin told the police that "he could not take the jokes anymore and lost his mind."
in order for us to remain a free society, we must incur risk. if we attempt to remove risk, we will also remove our freedom.
Can you say ADS-B?
GA folks are gonna have to start grabbing their ankles soon, also...
in order for us to remain a free society, we must incur risk. if we attempt to remove risk, we will also remove our freedom.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/007rusty/popcorn.gif):lol "The Squirrels with cameras are for your protection" :rofl
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I'm going to softly moan as I get my pat down, let's make this uncomfortable for all involved. :aok:huh :lol :lol :lol
:huh :lol :lol :lol
tell you what, you wanna gripe about the full body scan well here is what you do.
go find the children of any of the people who were on flight 93 on 9/11/01 and tell them to their faces that, you would happily let their parents die once again because your modesty and personal convenience is more important to you than the lives of the potentially thousands of others who could be killed by another hijacking. i am certain that they will completely agree with you and your pathetic suit that your gonna file against the TSA because you were made to feel momentarily uncomfortable.
now i am most certainly not the prime example of a great American "citizen", but at the end of the day i am an AMERICAN and the want to ensure the safety of my countrymen/women/CHILDREN far exceeds my modesty or want to avoid momentary and MINOR discomforts. i would rather be publically strip searched than to have to ever again look at this
if your unhappy with the airport security in America you are more than welcome to move to a country that has less stringent standards..........
Fact, Had our authorities imply enforced laws and security measures already on the books 9/11 would never have happened. Period
Another country with less stringent standards... You mean like Israel?
Israel uses racial profiling.Right SMACK on the bullseye warhed :aok thats what TSA needs to do. n i think ill moan too when i get screened by TSA. :cheers:
Four letter word over here
Israel uses racial profiling.they don't need to profile racially...but they do need to profile.
Four letter word over here
If your going to fly... fly naked. :D
they don't need to profile racially...but they do need to profile.
Racial, ethnic, etc. They also have one of the safest airlines in the world.
Profiling is such a taboo in the U.S. Unless a child goes missing, or a serial killer is on the loose. Then suddenly profiling turns into a useful tool.
But for regular law enforcement and security, it's looked down upon.
Ah well, we'll reap what we sew.
There's an idea.. eat a plate of beans an hour before your flight. You won't be popular but you'll be remembered :tyou've no idea how much i been thinking about that.......along with a friggin ginormous dildo down my pants too.........let em pat that down, as i moan...... :devil
Better yet, buy metallic duct tape and cut it into strips. Then take those strips and stick them to you abdomen and form words, things like;
'Suck this' (with arrow pointing down)
'TSA gets off seeing me naked'
This way, when you go through the body scanner, they can discover how you really feel.
Can they arrest me or anything for doing that? Im flying december 10th, and i want some ideas.
you DO mean the FRONT of your pants right? :neener:
duct tape on an airliner? Are you crazy man? Have you not seen what macguyver could do with a roll of duct tape?
On the news they said that it would take around 6 hours to body search one flight. I pretty sure that was the number.
Can you say ADS-B?
GA folks are gonna have to start grabbing their ankles soon, also...
Everyone just pop some soma and chill.
Wow, just wow.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSQTz1bccL4
at least they put his shirt back on for him.
-eleventy million to that dad for letting them touch his kid.
Dunno, I wouldn't let my kid go through that. If this is what is happening to the US, then Bin Laden has won.
Hosschit we lost..we havent lost anything. So we have made changes that make it harder for the animals to hurt us. Its that or we can expect to get hit hard and often by an enemy we cant fight, just so we can stick our chest out and say "See? Im still free!" The next time an aircraft is used by them, all these "protesters" will be on the "Why isnt it harder to do that?" bus.
Now a post saying that a special ed teacher went thru TSA they didnt listen n his peebag spilled n they sheesh going way to far. TSA needs to stop.
“I am aware that it is policy, but I disagree with the policy, and I think that it is unconstitutional. As a U.S. citizen, I have the right to move freely within my country as long as I can demonstrate proof of citizenship and have demonstrated no reasonable cause to be detained.”
Blogger Matt Kernan bypasses the Body Scanner and Enhanced Pat Down by citing his constitutional rights... Chalk one up for the good guys!
http://noblasters.com/
Hosschit we lost..we havent lost anything. So we have made changes that make it harder for the animals to hurt us.
Wait! I have the solution.
Lets put full body scanners and pat down agents outside every home building and store in the country. We can augment this with placing portable scanners in every car that would instantly alert the national security force whenever any kind of contraband is detected.
Thing about the security types thats pretty consistent. They never think any measure or level of security is sufficient enough.
Total nonsense. We havent made it harder for them to do anything but take and blow up airplanes. Big whoop.
Whats to prevent them from blowing themselves up in the airport? Or times square? Or a mall? Or a movie theater? Or a school? Hospital? Or any of a thousand other places where large numbers of people can be killed or maimed in an instant.
Fact of the matter is since 9/11 it hasnt happend on an airplane again. Even without these machines or pat downs. Other countries DO manage to keep their air travel secure without such intrusive means. And do so reasonably well.
The scanners are not useless. Lost in all this artificial hand wringing
and hysterical wailing is that the TSA screening measures have made
the terrorists resort to using PETN.
PETN is what was carried by the underwear and shoe bombers since
other stuff IS detected but petn cannot be ignited in the way they
tried to. Also the amounts were absolutely too small to do anything
even if it could have been. A pat down *definitely* would have
revealed the underwear bombers hidden explosives pack for sure.
BTW. It was the Israeli security firm ICTS Int'l, using Israeli security
practices, that let the underwear bomber slip on boards the Detroit
bound flight in Sciphol a year ago.
As for doing things the Israeli way? Sure! IF the TSA had to treat
every passenger as a potential terrorist and interview each and every
one of them before boarding AND we had a fraction of a fraction of
the airports there are in this country AND we did not have the ethnic
diversity from being a melting pot for three hundred years AND we
didn't have some serious, domestic, non MiddleEastern-looking
terrorist groups already AND we did not have the massive number
of air travelers that we do. Then we could do what Israel does.
Once again, airports are not required to use TSA or the scanners. The TSA is not mandatory, it is up to the airport to decide to use TSA agents or use private security. Stop blaming the government on this one, they aren't "forcing" anything.your wrong... All private security companies at airport fall under TSA rules and must use TSA procedures.
your wrong... All private security companies at airport fall under TSA rules and must use TSA procedures.
I'm under the impression you have to go thru the Scanner, the "opt" out is the personal massage body search
I'm under the impression you have to go thru the Scanner, the "opt" out is the personal massage body search
It's the opposite, you can opt out of the scan, and get the frisking instead.
i think that's what i said, you have to go thru the scanner the "opt" out of the scanner, is the full body massage.... as far as Private companies doing the same Job, they have to follow the guildlines set fourth by the TSA ( Da Gov)
if they have no scanners at that Airport then your going to be guaranteed a body massage from a friendly security guard, people are so Paranoid to the point of EVEYONE has to Prove there NOT a terrorist to board and fly a plane into America or even within its own States, Sad....
:noid :noid :noid
uummmm...........
I should clarify, soma from Brave New World, not the real muscle relaxant (great name though).
well....seems like the sheep have spoken, and we're stuck with this crap.........guess i won't be visiting my brother anymore....or at least not till i have enough time off to drive to florida and back.
A private sector company would NOT have to use the scanners. There are a few airports who don't use TSA. I believe one on in San Francisco has never used TSA at all.