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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Amaazee on December 02, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
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Does anyone have any World War II French Aircraft film or books...
Was just sitting in History class and thought about how Aces High didn't have any French Aircraft....
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There are a few solid Early war French aircraft. In particular the Dewotaine (sp?) D.520 would be a good addition.
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What do we need French aircraft for ? We already have Peeefittyones doing enough running away from the fight .
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What do we need French aircraft for ? We already have Peeefittyones doing enough running away from the fight .
Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
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Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
Well said.
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Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
QFT plus they did develop the Hispano cannon which we all love or hate so much depending on which side of the nasty end of the barrell your plane is at the time of firing.
Not the same, but lack of Free French skins is a bit of a downer especially on Spit IX and XVI.
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See Rule #4
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Absolutely no sense of humor in here anymore
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
It was also the rear guard actions of the French army that allowed the British army to escape from Dunkirk. Those rear guard French units never broke and fought until they were over ran or destroyed and bought enough time for the British to get the majority of their beaten army out of France.
However, reading a diary of a Spitfire pilot, he didn't have very nice things to say about the French pilots.
ack-ack
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Hey Sunbat -how's things?
I don't hate America (I assume you mean the USA), nothing could be further from the truth - this game has put me in touch with some of the coolest, funniest and most polite people I've ever "virtually" met - that's the people. The country - how can you hate a country? Relative to the game we all play the sacrifice made ensured the freedoms we enjoy.
I think the point was that paying out on the French isn't that cool. I made the point about the cannon (French design) and expressed a desire for more Free French skins on a cartoon plane. Not a mention of USA.
Hate America? Are you serious? I was wishing people Happy Thanksgiving and I haven't the slightest notion what Thanksgiving is!!
Best re-read the quote - keep well too mate!
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Hey Sunbat -how's things?
I don't hate America (I assume you mean the USA), nothing could be further from the truth - this game has put me in touch with some of the coolest, funniest and most polite people I've ever "virtually" met - that's the people. The country - how can you hate a country? Relative to the game we all play the sacrifice made ensured the freedoms we enjoy.
I think the point was that paying out on the French isn't that cool. I made the point about the cannon (French design) and expressed a desire for more Free French skins on a cartoon plane. Not a mention of USA.
Hate America? Are you serious? I was wishing people Happy Thanksgiving and I haven't the slightest notion what Thanksgiving is!!
Best re-read the quote - keep well too mate!
I could be wrong, but I believe the vertically superior posts on America hating are unheartfelt "Look at me!" posts.
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It was also the rear guard actions of the French army that allowed the British army to escape from Dunkirk. Those rear guard French units never broke and fought until they were over ran or destroyed and bought enough time for the British to get the majority of their beaten army out of France.
However, reading a diary of a Spitfire pilot, he didn't have very nice things to say about the French pilots.
ack-ack
+1 Well Said..
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(Correct me if im wrong)
The French got their reputation for running when 3 battalions (two French, one American) advanced into the Argonne Forest in early October 1918. The communications were cut between the 3 groups, and the Americans dug in, the french withdrew.
Most of you know this story as "The Lost Battalion"
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Hey Sunbat -how's things?
I don't hate America (I assume you mean the USA), nothing could be further from the truth - this game has put me in touch with some of the coolest, funniest and most polite people I've ever "virtually" met - that's the people. The country - how can you hate a country? Relative to the game we all play the sacrifice made ensured the freedoms we enjoy.
I think the point was that paying out on the French isn't that cool. I made the point about the cannon (French design) and expressed a desire for more Free French skins on a cartoon plane. Not a mention of USA.
Hate America? Are you serious? I was wishing people Happy Thanksgiving and I haven't the slightest notion what Thanksgiving is!!
Best re-read the quote - keep well too mate!
No problem at all.
As you know, you and I have mutual respect for each other. It was simply the QFT that irriated me. I didn't think that the entire orignal post was true. That is all.
Thanks for clearing up your stance and forgive my hotheaded response.
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No it wasn’t. See my post above. No need to denigrate the US while loving on France.
I agree that French should be recognized but don’t let that hate of America cloud your vision.
You are certainly drawing a much different conclusion that I am from his post. That's your prerogative but please refrain from insinuating I "hate America".
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See Rule #4
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Its funny I think that everyone rants on about the French being cowards, the Brits needing saving and the US being white knights.
And not consider the several million Russians and their kill total of 85% of all German ground forces.
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Its funny I think that everyone rants on about the French being cowards, the Brits needing saving and the US being white knights.
And not consider the several million Russians and their kill total of 85% of all German ground forces.
Yes but they were evil.
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....... We already have Peeefittyones doing enough running away from the fight .
maybe they're looking for a more competitive fight than what you have to offer? :neener:
and +1 on the french planes
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Not enough can be said about the brave men and women involved in the French resistance, either.
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Its funny I think that everyone rants on about the French being cowards, the Brits needing saving and the US being white knights.
And not consider the several million Russians and their kill total of 85% of all German ground forces.
Yes not many living captives as the russians tended to shoot all germans fighting or captured.
The French resistance was a brave bunch indeed.
Back to the OP..... the Dewoitine D.520 was considered a good bird. The French pilots just did not have the experience of the germans they were fighting. Even the germans put the D.520 to use after the fall of France. Many sat on the assembly lines waiting for things like propellers. The unfinished birds were completed by the germans and put to use in the fight.
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See Rule #4
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Yes not many living captives as the russians tended to shoot all germans fighting or captured.
The French resistance was a brave bunch indeed.
Back to the OP..... the Dewoitine D.520 was considered a good bird. The French pilots just did not have the experience of the germans they were fighting. Even the germans put the D.520 to use after the fall of France. Many sat on the assembly lines waiting for things like propellers. The unfinished birds were completed by the germans and put to use in the fight.
Actually, the French pilots did quite well during the Battle for France. Out of the 351 D.520s that reached French squadrons at the time for the Battle of France, the D.250 accounted for 114 air to air kills, 39 probables while losing 54 to enemy action.
Under Vichy control, during the Syrian-Lebenon campaign, the D.250 accounted for 31 air to air kills (against British and Australian aircraft), 11 loses from enemy air to air action and 24 lost to AA, accidents and bombing attacks.
In other actions by the Vichy D.250 squadrons, one squadron (GC III/3) shot down an entire squadron flying the Fairy Albacore from HMS Fury.
Of the two Vichy D.250 squadrons that actively opposed the Allied invasion during Operation Torch, the Vichy French naval squadron Flotille 1F, saw action against US Navy planes. The D.250 didn't fair so well, losing at least one confirmed D.250 (some reports put it as high as 6 D.250s lost to USN Wildcats) while the USN Wildcats only losses were do to ground and friendly fire while claiming a confirmed 14 kills.
ack-ack
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See Rule #4
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(Correct me if im wrong)
The French got their reputation for running when 3 battalions (two French, one American) advanced into the Argonne Forest in early October 1918. The communications were cut between the 3 groups, and the Americans dug in, the french withdrew.
Most of you know this story as "The Lost Battalion"
IIRC one of the three battalions was british. (and i thought that Argonne offensive was alot more than 3 battalions' worth of men?)
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first let me say I am half French and half Irish......reading this reminds me of a UFC fight I watched, French fighter was talking before the match about how every one will realize the French are not cowards afte what he does too the guy he is fighting........lol well after the first round, during the break he refused to continue the fight......lol got his butt handed to him,one of the funniest things i ever saw on t.v.
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I think Americans making jokes about the French during World War 2 is one of the more ironic things I have ever heard.
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Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
Und they were squelched by die Wehrmacht im 6 weeks...
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I'd like to see the Curtiss Hawk Model 75 included. It did well during the Battle of France.
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2005/airshows/duxfordoct/photographs/hawk75_1.jpg)
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Its funny I think that everyone rants on about the French being cowards, the Brits needing saving and the US being white knights.
And not consider the several million Russians and their kill total of 85% of all German ground forces.
I am not calling the French cowards or the US White Knights. But was it true that Winston Churchill (Prime Minister at the time) wrote multiple letters to the US President asking for help?
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I'd like to see the Curtiss Hawk Model 75 included. It did well during the Battle of France.
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2005/airshows/duxfordoct/photographs/hawk75_1.jpg)
she sure does look pretty :O
are those nose-mounted Hispanos?
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If you own FSX there is a crowd called vertigo studios who make a most excellent P36 Hawk complete with a French skin. I bought that one and their SBD (which makes an interesting comparison to the AH2 version).
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she sure does look pretty :O
are those nose-mounted Hispanos?
.50 cals, .30 cals in the wings.
The Hawk was produced by Curtiss and sold to a pretty wide variety of countries, including France, Finland, and Holland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
It would be nice since it didn't only find its way into French hands, however, it would be nice to have a domestic French fighter, either the D.520 or the MS.406 (which was also sold to Finland).
The D.520 was a nice looking aircraft, and apparently on par with the Bf 109E, which was the Luftwaffe's premier fighter in the Battle of France.
(http://www.aviationartstore.com/images/photo_d520_inflight.jpg)
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Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. Not one. That is not something that the United States can claim about its military.
The French soldiers and airmen fought very bravely, but lost due to their leaders, political and military.
Contrary to the idiotic meme you are propagating, cowardice is not the only way to lose a war.
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+1 for a french aircraft somewhere. Whether it be the d.520, nieuport or Spad.
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d 520 is about the only real french plan that would ever be flown, and only in the EW at that - of course there are som WWI planes.
However, we could have some Vichi colors on 109s and 190s, some Free French on spits and hurries, and NN 8lik my sig) on yak 9T and yak-3s (when those fnally amke it into the game).
The french faught in ww2 very well, but alwys in the shadows of the larger armies - and on both sides.
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d 520 is about the only real french plan that would ever be flown, and only in the EW at that
All EW planes are available in LW too, and they are being flown there.
More than in EW itself ;)
However, we could have some Vichi colors on 109s and 190s,
No, we could not. Vichy France never had those planes.
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is it a rule #4 thread ? :) In any case, bring the d520 to AH! And the uber Spad XIV
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Absolutely no sense of humor in here anymore
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Having just read the thread, I think it isn't that humor is lacking. You just were'nt funny
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Absolutely no sense of humor in here anymore
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Having just read the thread, I think it isn't that humor is lacking. You just were'nt funny
Guppy messed up a post? :huh :lol
Here is an info link to some french WWII era planes including fighters, bombers, transports etc.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/france.htm
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Hate America? Are you serious? I was wishing people Happy Thanksgiving and I haven't the slightest notion what Thanksgiving is!!
I had a French guest in town for Thanksgiving this year. Showed him the Norman Rockwell painting, "Freedom from Want," prior to serving up a 100,000 calorie dinner.
Thanksgiving. Eat until you're tired, sleep until you're hungry.
On the OP: Yes to French (and any other early war) aircraft. D.520 is a great start. :salute
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I'd like to see the Curtiss Hawk Model 75 included. It did well during the Battle of France.
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2005/airshows/duxfordoct/photographs/hawk75_1.jpg)
Nice machine. + 1 for the Hawk.
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.50 cals, .30 cals in the wings.
Actually they are all 7.5mm (.295) guns. The French Hawks didn't recieve heavier calibre armament until in Finnish hands.
Regarding the French aircraft...
If the want is for historical fighter to fit to the Battle of France campaign, the best candidate for that would be Curtiss Hawk75A. But if the want is for best domestically built French aircraft, then the choise would be Dewoitine D.520.
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Actually they are all 7.5mm (.295) guns. The French Hawks didn't recieve heavier calibre armament until in Finnish hands.
Regarding the French aircraft...
If the want is for historical fighter to fit to the Battle of France campaign, the best candidate for that would be Curtiss Hawk75A. But if the want is for best domestically built French aircraft, then the choise would be Dewoitine D.520.
HTC Give us French Aircraft! :airplane: