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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: DmdFiat on December 18, 2010, 11:43:13 AM
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Hi. I got a new View Sonic VX2739wm at $330. My eye sight is declining due to 10hrs/day work but I couldn't afford more.
Compared to Samsung P2770H and HP 2710m it's a lot cheaper so I don't expect the same quality although it has the fastest response time, adjustable.
Running 1920x1080 since the other resolutions are all bad quality.
I'm just wondering if it's normal that going from two 19" monitors, this new 27" seems to have the colors and definition of the lines ( e.g. icons the task bar and text in the browser tabs ) a bit "washed out"? It seems like there's too much brightness even when i manually play with bright./contrast.
It's the same effect we get in the game when we increase the "gamma" but I don't have that control on the monitor.
I also noticed that depending on the inclination of the monitor, the top section seems darker if I keep it perfectly vertical and not tilted fwd a bit.
Are these things to be expected for such a wide monitor?
Thanks.
The game look a million times better.
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Dmdfiat, this review says about the same as you with the washed out colours when gaming.
so your eye sight isn't that bad. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2010/05/13/viewsonic-vx2739wm-monitor-review/1 (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2010/05/13/viewsonic-vx2739wm-monitor-review/1)
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Ah, interesting review. I guess I wasn't dreaming.
My eye sight did go down after a year in front of the PC 10x7 building up my new e-commerce. That's why I need a bigger screen so that I can enlarge the text and still have multiple windows open.
The comparison with the dell ( around $1000 ) and the Nec ( much smaller size ) reinforces what I was afraid of. With my budget I can't get much better unless I find a good used monitor.
Thanks for the link.
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Good buy,
But if anyone is interested in the HP 2710m, it can be had direct from HP for $299.95 ($439.95-$140.00 instant rebate w/ 2-day free shipping) right now.
Just looked like 5 mins ago.
Just putting it out there........................ ............................. ................
:salute
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do?storeName=storefronts&landing=display&category=display&a1=Screen+size&v1=27&catLevel=2#bcAnchor
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Interesting buy. One of the reviews mentioned: "it definitely is a little bit softer in focus. Colors are richer, but some small text does get a little bit fuzzy." which is similar to my problem.
Not sure if this is going the be an improvement. Urgh...now I can't decide :)
The specs seem the same:
It's a TN panel still.
Same aspect ration, same resolution, lower grade speakers, no USB ports same price and shipping. The reviews from people also talk about how nice the clarity is, just like my viewsonic....uhmmm.
The only way to find out is to return my viewsonic at costco. and try this one?!?!
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here's a side by side review:
http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/viewsonic_vx2739wm_vs_hp_2710m
number of colors is not there but they're both 16.7 million.
Uhmmm
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You should be able to adjust gamma through your video card control panel.
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I just ordered the HP 2710m too ( thanks Pudgie ). I will plug em side by side on my dual vid card and see which one to return. Both costco and HP will refund the full amount.
Crossing my fingers.....
Thanks guys. I'll post my review.
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My Costco has a Samsung 27" (http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS27EFHKUV/ZA) that I am going to pickup tomorrow that they have for $299. I will let you know what I think of it then.
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I am using the Hannspree HF289F 28 inch and I am very pleased with how the game is displayed at max resolution. 3 millisecond refresh rate beautiful colors and I fly the game in HD SLI
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Try calibrating
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
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I looked at the viewsonic and settled on the Hanns-G HZ281HPB.
It is 16x10 instead of the squatty 16x9 most monitors are these days.
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I looked at the viewsonic and settled on the Hanns-G HZ281HPB.
It is 16x10 instead of the squatty 16x9 most monitors are these days.
Yes I too like the 16X10 much better than the 16X9. It's a shame that computer monitors have fallen for the "HDTV" Specs trap. A lot of people think that HDTV resolutions are the latest and greatest, but computer monitors have been capable of HD resolutions LONG BEFORE HDTV's came out. I don't see any reason to limit computer monitors to a 1080p standard.
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I looked at the viewsonic and settled on the Hanns-G HZ281HPB.
It is 16x10 instead of the squatty 16x9 most monitors are these days.
I prefer 16:10 too but there aren't many options out there. I did look at the Hanns but the reviews weren't that great.
I can't get used to 16:9 not even my friends TVs. I don't like the stretched view. Even for movies. It's not natural.
I just finished playing with my 2 new monitors, the view sonic and HP.....they are VERY similar. I'll post a report soon.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/357835/hanns-g-hz281hpb (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/357835/hanns-g-hz281hpb)
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I prefer 16:10 too but there aren't many options out there. I did look at the Hanns but the reviews weren't that great.
I can't get used to 16:9 not even my friends TVs. I don't like the stretched view. Even for movies. It's not natural.
I just finished playing with my 2 new monitors, the view sonic and HP.....they are VERY similar. I'll post a report soon.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/357835/hanns-g-hz281hpb (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/monitors/357835/hanns-g-hz281hpb)
If the view is stretched then it isn't set up correctly. If you run a low definition 4:3 signal to a high definition 16:9 television, one of two things will happen depending on how the TV is setup. 1> The picture will be stretched out horizontally to fit the TV or 2> There will be black bars on the left and the right of the picture which will remain at 4:3. These bars tend to drive people crazy so by default TV manufacturers set it up to stretch it out, and most consumers tend to not know any better.
My in-laws have a HDTV with a low def signal and they were considering upgrading to Hi def service. I invited them over to see what it is like on my TV and all they did was complain about how everything was squished together.. how everyone looked so skinny and all that. The truth is that they've become so used to everything being stretched out on their TV that to them, *MY* tv was the distorted one. Because of this they refuse to pay extra for HD service which is fine.. if they are happy with their picture then that's that.
As for the simply aspect ratio of it all, movie theaters have an even MORE widescreen aspect.. sometimes 22:10 or even wider. Keeping that in mind, watching a movie on a 4:3 TV in itself I find to be not natural... but you have to remember that the aspect ratio of a display doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the image being 'stretched out' or distorted.
(http://www.lca.ympsa.com/scaling.jpg)
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.. but you have to remember that the aspect ratio of a display doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the image being 'stretched out' or distorted.
Interesting, I always though that everything looked "widened" with this wide monitors 16:9. So I went to prove it. I just drew a perfect circle in photoshop, 1000x1000. To my surprise it actually looked perfectly symmetrical. I also took a measuring tape and measured the circle on the screen, yes perfect circle. :confused:
So how is that, when you first switch to 16:9, everything looks stretched horizontally, the icons, text, the buttons..... Is it possible that my old 15w x 12h monitor was stretching images vertically and I had gotten used to the "wrong" proportions?
:headscratch:
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My own experience with my 2 brand new 27"; HP2710m and View Sonic VX2739wm
Overall impression: Very similar and a bit disappointed that for over $100 more in retail price for the 2710m the HP doesn't perform better.
Very similar specs that you can see online.
http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/viewsonic_vx2739wm_vs_hp_2710m (http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/viewsonic_vx2739wm_vs_hp_2710m)
Same sharpness, same crappy speakers, both short stands although the HP is much shorter.
I still don't know which 1 too keep!! - assuming that I can fix the "green" issue with the HP. :mad:
View Sonic
Pros :
-Cheaper
-More actual view space, 1/4" in each direction
-More realistic colors- more colors temps to chose from.
-Matte finish of the panel ( doesn't reflect light around ) to reduce glare.
-4 very handy USB ports
-higher response time - even though no1 can tell the difference.
-Better looking, slick, and overall size smaller due to the more narrow bezel.
Cons:
Lightness uniformity varies slightly more than the HP.
Angle view, from above, shows darker area in the middle
Many OSD controls are disabled.
HP 2710m
Pros:
Many more OSD controls for sharpness and image adjustments
Better view from different angles
A slight less "blueish" colors.
Brighter overall. increasing brightness and contrast doesn't ruin image as fast as the View sonic. But who needs it?
Out of the box has 75 hertz available.
Cons:
A green tint that I can't get rid of. Tried with the monitor's control and the ATI catalyst controls. Installed latest ATI drivers. No go.
No USB
The stand very short. Both monitors have no height adjustments.
Glare
The green issue-not sure if it shows- the left 1 the green HP:
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/1.jpg)
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/2.jpg)
More controls on the ( left ) HP. The view sonic has them disables and can't seem to access them.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/3.jpg)
Sharpness is very useful and the View Sonic has it disabled but it looks as good as the HP by default.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/4.jpg)
Looking from the top, the view sonic has a dark middle band. If both monitors were not raised like I did and relied on the height of the stands, it would be a problem.
From bottom looking up they both have a dark band at the top.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/5.jpg)
Now, unrelated....as I reinstalled the ATI drivers, first from ATI then, starting over, from the vid car manufacturer I couldn't get all the drivers installed. See the error in device manager. Pointed XP to the same location where all the drivers are ( C:\ATI\Support ) and system32. But no luck. Strangely everything is working. Hopefully some1 has a suggestion :x
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/6.jpg)
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Just got my Samsung P2770FH installed and hooked up today....WOW that is a bunch of screen real estate @ 1920x1080 with ~1ms refresh rate and nice touch button features for resize, etc...
I will give in game details later on tonight!
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My own experience with my 2 brand new 27"; HP2710m and View Sonic VX2739wm
Overall impression: Very similar and a bit disappointed that for over $100 more in retail price for the 2710m the HP doesn't perform better.
Very similar specs that you can see online.
http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/viewsonic_vx2739wm_vs_hp_2710m (http://www.all-monitors.com/compares/viewsonic_vx2739wm_vs_hp_2710m)
Same sharpness, same crappy speakers, both short stands although the HP is much shorter.
I still don't know which 1 too keep!! - assuming that I can fix the "green" issue with the HP. :mad:
View Sonic
Pros :
-Cheaper
-More actual view space, 1/4" in each direction
-More realistic colors- more colors temps to chose from.
-Matte finish of the panel ( doesn't reflect light around ) to reduce glare.
-4 very handy USB ports
-higher response time - even though no1 can tell the difference.
-Better looking, slick, and overall size smaller due to the more narrow bezel.
Cons:
Lightness uniformity varies slightly more than the HP.
Angle view, from above, shows darker area in the middle
Many OSD controls are disabled.
HP 2710m
Pros:
Many more OSD controls for sharpness and image adjustments
Better view from different angles
A slight less "blueish" colors.
Brighter overall. increasing brightness and contrast doesn't ruin image as fast as the View sonic. But who needs it?
Out of the box has 75 hertz available.
Cons:
A green tint that I can't get rid of. Tried with the monitor's control and the ATI catalyst controls. Installed latest ATI drivers. No go.
No USB
The stand very short. Both monitors have no height adjustments.
Glare
The green issue-not sure if it shows- the left 1 the green HP:
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/1.jpg)
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/2.jpg)
More controls on the ( left ) HP. The view sonic has them disables and can't seem to access them.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/3.jpg)
Sharpness is very useful and the View Sonic has it disabled but it looks as good as the HP by default.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/4.jpg)
Looking from the top, the view sonic has a dark middle band. If both monitors were not raised like I did and relied on the height of the stands, it would be a problem.
From bottom looking up they both have a dark band at the top.
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/5.jpg)
Now, unrelated....as I reinstalled the ATI drivers, first from ATI then, starting over, from the vid car manufacturer I couldn't get all the drivers installed. See the error in device manager. Pointed XP to the same location where all the drivers are ( C:\ATI\Support ) and system32. But no luck. Strangely everything is working. Hopefully some1 has a suggestion :x
(http://www.anticoelements.com/images/6.jpg)
Are you connecting your monitor through DVI or VGA? With DVI you shouldn't have any sharpness problems (especially considering you got two different monitors to test) unless your display card is defective.
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Are you connecting your monitor through DVI or VGA? With DVI you shouldn't have any sharpness problems (especially considering you got two different monitors to test) unless your display card is defective.
My card worked fine with my old monitors and I think it still fine.
I'm connecting with the DVI cables that came with the monitors. My Radeon X1950XT has 2 DVI.
I read somewhere from a review that some1 had "a bit fuzzy text" which he fixed by connecting via DVI.
Either way, after reinstalling my vid card drivers ( even though I can't get rid of the yellow "?" in the device manager) the quality has improved a bit. Things look sharper.
As for the GREEN tone I fixed it a BIT with the "Digital panel (DVI) 3 - Avivo Color" color temperature setting in the Catalyst panel.
I'm open to suggestions...
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I am assuming that you installed drivers for both monitors? My Samsung was recognized immediately by Win7 64bit but still wanted to install Samsung drivers for some reason. I can't say that it hurt anything but I do have more options for cleaning up the images now.
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I am assuming that you installed drivers for both monitors? My Samsung was recognized immediately by Win7 64bit but still wanted to install Samsung drivers for some reason. I can't say that it hurt anything but I do have more options for cleaning up the images now.
Absolutely. I don't want to take chances. All correct drivers are up. I still can't get the green tint off the HP 2710m.
The HP is a bit sharper but with the colors like this I can't keep it.
I tried to use VGA adapters and use the VGA input on the monitors but the quality is worse.
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FYI..
Talked to the Indian customer "service" for HP. Totally clueless of what the "green" issue with their 2710m is. It felt like I was talking to a robot.
They made me unplug the dmi cable from the back of the monitor which showed a little menu which should be white but it's green, so it's not my PC.
Indian lady: "sir please restart the PC and see what color the BIOS screen is". Me: "ma'am, I use magic jack and by powering off the PC will kill our conversation, plus my BIOS screens are blue". Her again: "sir please restart the PC and see what color the BIOS screen is".... Me: "ma'am, can you hear me?" Her: "yes, sir please restart the PC and see what color the BIOS screen is"
View sonic actually has American people answer the phones.
Anyway HP thinks the monitor is defective and they wanted to send me a new one. Since the sharpness of the 2 panels is the same and the view sonic is smaller overall, better and higher stand, 4 usb ports, no glare, I'll probably ship back the HP.
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Probably is a defective Indian made monitor just like the non-understanding tech support.