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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: skorpion on December 18, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
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My wishes are the P47-C and MiG-3 for the midwar (and i think they were early war aswell) so they could have a bit more fun in there.
Type Escort fighter
Power plant One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-59 Double Wasp 18-cylinder two-row radial engine with 2,300 hp
Accommodation 1
Wing span 40 ft 9.5 in
Length overall 36 ft 1 in
Height overall 14 ft 2 in
Weight empty aprox. 9,100 lb
Weight loaded 14,925 lb
Maximum speed 433 mph
Initial climb 2,800 ft/min.
Service ceiling 42,000 ft
It would be a good addition for the players who actually fly in the midwar.
Now for the MiG-3
It could carry up to 6 rockets and 440 pounds of bombs.
Maximum speed: 314 mph at sea level, 398 mph at 25,590 feet.
Time to altitude: 5 minutes 42 seconds to 16,405 feet; 10.28 minutes to 26,240 feet.
Service ceiling: 39,370 feet.
Range: 510 miles at 342 mph; maximum range 743 miles.
Power plant: 1350 hp Mikulin AM-35A liquid-cooled V-12; three-bladed all metal controllable-pitch propeller; radiator under fuselage amidships.
Armament: 1x12.7mm MG and 2x7.62mm MG in upper nose cowl; 2x12.7mm under-wing MG optional.
Empty weight: 5950 pounds.
Take-off weight: 7738 pounds (with under-wing guns).
Wingspan: 33 feet 5 1/2 inches.
Wing area: 187.73 square feet.
Length: 27 feet 7/8 inch.
Height: 8 feet 8 1/3 inches.
Both of these would be great for the MA's :cheers: :salute
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We have enough P47's as it is -1
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I'd like to see another axis fighter in the line-up sometine soon.
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Now for the MiG-3
It could carry up to 6 rockets and 440 pounds of bombs.
Maximum speed: 314 mph at sea level, 398 mph at 25,590 feet.
Time to altitude: 5 minutes 42 seconds to 16,405 feet; 10.28 minutes to 26,240 feet.
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We have enough P47's as it is -1
:aok
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What's the armament of 47c
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What's the armament of 47c
t3h n00k
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What's the armament of 47c
The usual, 8 x .50 cals and 500 lbs. bomb. But which C is he asking for, C-1, C-2, C-5?
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C-17 GlobeMaster please..............
Get your cargo there in a hurry! :aok
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I am asking for the p47c-1..probably shoulda pointed it out.
Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...
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I am asking for the p47c-1..probably shoulda pointed it out.
Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...
D11 is outclassed by the typical MW rides (PJ, Spit9), no reason to assume C wouldn't fare worse
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D11 is outclassed by the typical MW rides (PJ, Spit9), no reason to assume C wouldn't fare worse
usually when i see a D11 i expect a better pilot than usual... Most people underestimate the P47D models and severely underestimate the D11. I've flown the D11 and i must say ive had some great luck with it over the D25 and D40 models.
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Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...
big balls
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usually when i see a D11 i expect a better pilot than usual... Most people underestimate the P47D models and severely underestimate the D11. I've flown the D11 and i must say ive had some great luck with it over the D25 and D40 models.
D-25 and D-40 are heavier then the D-11, so you will need to micro manage your flight from "E" to gun package.
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I am asking for the p47c-1..probably shoulda pointed it out.
Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...
<fly my EW 109f more than anything else in LW, do JUST FINE!!!! Monster perk farming spit killer=)
elfy
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The P-47C was not significantly different performance wise from the D-11 and the D-11 well represents the early 47s in MW. The only primary changes was an 8" extension of the fuselage aft of the firewall for engine access, addition of a reinforced belly shackle extension and the incorporation of water injection in the throttle quadrant. The C also falls solidly in the MW arena not EW where it would have a more significant impact and be more interesting in the game.
I am always for more Thunderbolts though, the addition of the D-22/23 with the paddle blade props, more hp and under wing pylons has the most merit, especially because it was one of the most produced variants of the entire war.
:D
Seadog36
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usually when i see a D11 i expect a better pilot than usual... Most people underestimate the P47D models and severely underestimate the D11. I've flown the D11 and i must say ive had some great luck with it over the D25 and D40 models.
the biggest advantage EW birds have flying in LW is suprise. most(but not all) pilots underestimate an early war bird when they see them. they'l look at the EW birds as "easy kills" and therefore treat them as such, giving the EW bird a few precious moments to pull off that "omgwtf?!!?!?!? :joystick:" move they need to to get a kill. i love flying the p39 and p40 in LW. every plane i come across gets sloppy when taking them on, they forget how good of a turner both planes can be. my most memorable one was shooting down a k4 in a p40 because i was able to drag him down to the deck in a turning fight.
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I see how early war birds can do some wicked manuvers that some of the latewar birds cant. for example the F4F-4 can out-turn a F4U-4 but it cant run along side it. Also the P47-C-1 was almost exactly the same as the D-11 as seadog said but in every other way it could be out-classed by the latewar birds. Either way it would be cool to see something other than p38's and spits in the midwar
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D11 is available in MW isnt it? :headscratch:
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D11 is available in MW isnt it? :headscratch:
yes it is.
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D11 is available in MW isnt it? :headscratch:
D23 :noid
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The P47C-5 is a hangar queen. It'd only be used for scenarios, and unless you stayed above 25,000 feet, It wouldn't fare very well.
I am currently VERY happy with the Jug breeds we have in the stable, however if one *could* be added, I'd ask for anything D-15 through D-23. These would be the razorbacks with paddle blades and plumbed hard points on the wings for ord/drop tanks.
With the lower weight of the razorbacks, and the improved climb rate and acceleration of the paddle, and the capability to effectively Jabo, these would be the razorbacks for the Main Arena.
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I am currently VERY happy with the Jug breeds we have in the stable, however if one *could* (SHOULD) be added, I'd ask for anything D-15 through D-23. These would be the razorbacks with paddle blades and plumbed hard points on the wings for ord/drop tanks.
With the lower weight of the razorbacks, and the improved climb rate and acceleration of the paddle, and the capability to effectively Jabo, these would be the razorbacks for the Main Arena.
+1 :aok
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I am asking for the p47c-1..probably shoulda pointed it out.
Also who would fly such an early war plane in the latewar? its outclassed by almost everything in there...
Well, you see, some people don't shoot for what is easy; they go for what is difficult. I fly EW planes all the time, and LW planes that are difficult to master as well. Perspective, my dear Watson.
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they'l look at the EW birds as "easy kills"
Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.
ack-ack
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Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.
ack-ack
Id argue that they are easy kills. I have done some insane stuff in an early bird that a latewar plane cant do. :salute
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Because against a mid-war or late-war plane, the early war rides are easy kills.
ack-ack
no, some early war birds can hold there own pretty good against late war birds in the right situations.
like the p39 p40 b25s zeros and a few spits. the hurricane aswell.
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no, some early war birds can hold there own pretty good against late war birds in the right situations.
like the p39 p40 b25s zeros and a few spits. the hurricane aswell.
B-25 holds up against a late war fighter? sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.
Id argue that they are easy kills. I have done some insane stuff in an early bird that a latewar plane cant do. :salute
Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill. Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc. For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.
That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened. 1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.
ack-ack
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B-25 holds up against a late war fighter? sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.
Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill. Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc. For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.
That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened. 1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.
ack-ack
you realize that none of these factors count when he knows your there, has good skill, doesnt get a case of the stupids when impatience takes place and lastly...it boils down to the skill of the guy flying the early bird. what im saying is that an early war plane can kill the latewar plane easily because of the advantages in the PLANE not the pilot.
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you realize that none of these factors count when he knows your there, has good skill, doesnt get a case of the stupids when impatience takes place and lastly...it boils down to the skill of the guy flying the early bird. what im saying is that an early war plane can kill the latewar plane easily because of the advantages in the PLANE not the pilot.
And you're wrong. We can arrange some duels, you in any early war plane and me in the mid-war P-38J and I'll show you how easy it is for a mid-war plane like the P-38J to dominate any early war plane you choose to fly.
Like I said, pilots being equal the early war plane will die. Pilots of an unequal level (better pilot in the EW plane) and then the EW plane will have a better chance of success against the late war plane as the pilot can take advantage of the late war pilot's lack of skill and experience.
ack-ack
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B-25 holds up against a late war fighter? sorry but that alone lets me know you really have no clue.
Argue all you want but a P-39 will be outmatched by a mid/late war plane flown by a pilot of equal skill. Same goes for the P-40, Hurrricane I and II, A6M2, Spitfire I, etc. For example, a P-38J will dominate each of those planes you mentioned.
That's not to say that an early war plane can surprise and shoot down a mid/late war plane but if you look at those instances one of few things will have happened. 1) the EW plane bounced (with superior altitude and energy advantage) an unweary target 2) the EW plane cherry picked the other plane while it was already enaged 3) the EW pilot got lucky and encountered a player that lacked the skill and abilities to fly and fight in his plane properly or 4) the player in the mid/late war plane grew impatient and got a case of the stupids and tried to fight the EW plane's fight.
ack-ack
LOL.....
youve obviously never come across me in late war flying b25s.
as long as the LW fighter isent a dweeb and hides under the belly, those 6 .50cals max on the top turrets will rip a plane to shreds. you can tilt the bomber for a shot to make up for no tail gunner.
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LOL.....
youve obviously never come across me in late war flying b25s.
You're not kingcobradude are you? He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.
ack-ack
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You're not kingcobradude are you? He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.
ack-ack
:rofl
Ack-Ack, I think it is your luck to attract teh uber B-25 noobs.
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And you're wrong. We can arrange some duels, you in any early war plane and me in the mid-war P-38J and I'll show you how easy it is for a mid-war plane like the P-38J to dominate any early war plane you choose to fly.
Like I said, pilots being equal the early war plane will die. Pilots of an unequal level (better pilot in the EW plane) and then the EW plane will have a better chance of success against the late war plane as the pilot can take advantage of the late war pilot's lack of skill and experience.
ack-ack
its not as easy as you think. hopping in a p38 then instantly killing an early war plane isnt as simple as you think. by the way i never said I could do it but i know plenty of people that could because i havent been playing all that long. Im saying its the pilot...not the plane that matters here because some a6m2 dweeb could kill a f4u4 dweeb if he tried.
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its not as easy as you think. hopping in a p38 then instantly killing an early war plane isnt as simple as you think.
It is as easy as I've said it is. Unless I do something really, really stupid (which is very unlikely to happen) an early war plane isn't going to make me sweat.
ack-ack
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It is as easy as I've said it is. Unless I do something really, really stupid (which is very unlikely to happen) an early war plane isn't going to make me sweat.
ack-ack
Thats not ego I see is it?
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Akak is right. True, most of the early war birds can outturn late war birds, but cant kill them unless the late war pilot wants to get killed. This requires ultimate stupidity. For example, if you are in a pony, you dont want to turnfight with a spit 1, right? Dear Skorpion, the ACM is not all about turn rates...
Look, im a g-6 pilot, which isnt an early, but a mid-war ride. Unless i have superior energy over my late war (faster) opponent, i always have to be as tricky as i can, appear a nooblet etc. not to scare them to run away, climb and kill me in the BnZ. Another example: can a ww1 ride outturn an F4U4, pull maneuvers what are impossible for the f4u? Yes. Can the ww1 ride win? ...
Debrődy
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The C variant would be tough to use, even for the more experienced Jug pilots. No WEP in the C, and that's a major performance penalty for such a heavy fighter. Plus, you wouldn't have access to the single 500lb bomb. The D-11 is all we need for the earlier Jug. The D-22/23 is the only variant we're really "missing".
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You're not kingcobradude are you? He's the last guy that made that same comment to me, much to his woe.
ack-ack
nope lol.
i love flying in the b25. most the lw fighters will be lazy and think (oh look, no tail or ball turrets, will i just slightly hide under his tail and shoot him down, hur hur!"
then they get a big : :confused: when they realise i can tilt the plane to get a straight shot on them from the top turret.
take a b25C with that 10x50 cal strafer option, and you have a BEAST. just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win :t
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just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win :t
lol
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take a b25C with that 10x50 cal strafer option, and you have a BEAST. just go for the HO shot every time and your 99% garruenteed to win
... or take an A-20 and kill them using ACM ... :rock
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See Rule #4
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nope lol.
i love flying in the b25. most the lw fighters will be lazy and think (oh look, no tail or ball turrets, will i just slightly hide under his tail and shoot him down, hur hur!"
then they get a big : :confused: when they realise i can tilt the plane to get a straight shot on them from the top turret.
"Most" of the LW fighters that seem to engage you then really don't know how to successfully engage and shoot down a bomber.
ack-ack
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"Most" of the LW fighters that seem to engage you then really don't know how to successfully engage and shoot down a bomber.
ack-ack
no, i dont think thats the problem, i think the problem is what ive statedn allready. they UNDERESTIMATE it just because its an early war plane.
they come after it in a fully loaded 109k4 or g-14 thinking it'll be an easy kill and get lazy. and thats when its easy to suprise them.
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no, i dont think thats the problem, i think the problem is what ive statedn allready. they UNDERESTIMATE it just because its an early war plane.
they come after it in a fully loaded 109k4 or g-14 thinking it'll be an easy kill and get lazy. and thats when its easy to suprise them.
It's easy to surprise them because they are inexperienced and lack skill. I've been doing this for many years, believe me that it's inexperience that is getting these people shot down because they haven't learned yet the proper way to attack bombers.
ack-ack
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The C variant would be tough to use, even for the more experienced Jug pilots. No WEP in the C, and that's a major performance penalty for such a heavy fighter. Plus, you wouldn't have access to the single 500lb bomb. The D-11 is all we need for the earlier Jug. The D-22/23 is the only variant we're really "missing".
Hear Hear +1 :aok