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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tyrannis on December 21, 2010, 10:11:40 AM
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hey guys, i was recently watching the episode of "great planes" with the b25 on it, and i saw that they had a model with a type of under fuselage guns on it. (two .50 cals under the belly i believe) and said it was aimed by a periscope.
i also remember a few months back watching a history channel show where they recovered a very rare b25 out of a ship that had an actual ballturret intact on it.
does anyone know the classification of these types of b25s? and can they be put in game?.
the b25s biggest weakness right now is how easy it is to attack it from underneath, away from its guns.
give it a ball turret so it has a fighting chance :pray :aok
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The ventral turret was found on early model B-25's and was actually standard on the B-25C that we have in game. It was however almost universally reviled by the air crews who couldn't hit a thing with it and it was known to cause vertigo and nausea on the part of the poor operator. As a result it appears that most units removed it in the field, especially in the Pacific where the the 25's were being converted to low level strafers and wouldn't need a belly gun anyway.
I can't say if this was the reason that HTC did not model the gun position, or if accurately modeling the system wasn't worth the payoff in the end. The gunner has to kneel on a padded cushion on the bottom of the airplane and peer through a periscope which inverted the image he was trying to shoot at from most crew accounts I've read it was a real pain in the behind.
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As Soulyss said. It was useless other then causing gunners to throw up.
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As Soulyss said. It was useless other then causing gunners to throw up.
Maybe we can kill 999000 then
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As Soulyss said. It was useless other then causing gunners to throw up.
thats in rl. could be a whole diff story in AH, look at the brew? a horrible plane in rl but in AH it can somehow outrun 109s and ponies.
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thats in rl. could be a whole diff story in AH, look at the brew? a horrible plane in rl but in AH it can somehow outrun 109s and ponies.
No. A Brewster cannot outrun 109s and Ponys in game either.
wrongway
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No. A Brewster cannot outrun 109s and Ponys in game either.
wrongway
tell that to all the ppl who have been run down by brewsters in temps/ponies/38s/etc :rolleyes:
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ALL YOUR CREDIBILITY
tell that to all the ppl who have been run down by brewsters in temps/ponies/38s/etc :rolleyes:
You just lost it.
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tell that to all the ppl who have been run down by brewsters in temps/ponies/38s/etc :rolleyes:
In a dive it will catch them & with enough E they may intially run them down if the gap is not to great. No it will not out run any of these flat & level.
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In a dive it will catch them & with enough E they may intially run them down if the gap is not to great. No it will not out run any of these flat & level.
i should of clarified more, im sorry. i usually get run down by brews in the DA and im allways like this afterwards: :headscratch: woundering how they do it.
but yea AH doesnt model problems with guns/engines/etc. so why couldnt the ball turrets be added to the b25? we wouldnt suffer from the sickness the real gunners did. and it would give the b25c's a much better chance in places like mw and lw where everyone knows the easyiest way to kill them is simply hide under them
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i should of clarified more, im sorry. i usually get run down by brews in the DA and im allways like this afterwards: :headscratch: woundering how they do it.
but yea AH doesnt model problems with guns/engines/etc. so why couldnt the ball turrets be added to the b25? we wouldnt suffer from the sickness the real gunners did. and it would give the b25c's a much better chance in places like mw and lw where everyone knows the easyiest way to kill them is simply hide under them
It just boils down that HTC chose to model what was used the most in WWII. As the others pointed out the early B25's had them & was quickly done away with & they stopped putting them on at the factory. So we have what was most commonly produced in game. It is a wish list & no harm in asking I don't think your chances of getting it are that good though.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b25guns.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b25guns1.jpg)
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i should of clarified more, im sorry. i usually get run down by brews in the DA and im allways like this afterwards: :headscratch: woundering how they do it.
but yea AH doesnt model problems with guns/engines/etc. so why couldnt the ball turrets be added to the b25? we wouldnt suffer from the sickness the real gunners did. and it would give the b25c's a much better chance in places like mw and lw where everyone knows the easyiest way to kill them is simply hide under them
I'd suggest running on the deck then so they can't run under you.
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tell that to all the ppl who have been run down by brewsters in temps/ponies/38s/etc :rolleyes:
I've never had a Brewster chase me down in a P-38J, even when a Brewster has dove on me with a 5,000ft altitude advantage it never got close to me.
ack-ack
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hey guys, i was recently watching the episode of "great planes" with the b25 on it, and i saw that they had a model with a type of under fuselage guns on it. (two .50 cals under the belly i believe) and said it was aimed by a periscope.
i also remember a few months back watching a history channel show where they recovered a very rare b25 out of a ship that had an actual ballturret intact on it.
does anyone know the classification of these types of b25s? and can they be put in game?.
the b25s biggest weakness right now is how easy it is to attack it from underneath, away from its guns.
give it a ball turret so it has a fighting chance :pray :aok
Are you talking about the b25 that was pulled out of Lake Murray? (I think that is what lake it was) It had the remote operated turret, it is currently sitting in a museum in Birmingham, AL as it was found on the bottom of the lake.
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Are you talking about the b25 that was pulled out of Lake Murray? (I think that is what lake it was) It had the remote operated turret, it is currently sitting in a museum in Birmingham, AL as it was found on the bottom of the lake.
MAYBE, i dont remember tho :( i do remember the guy on the show kind of bragging about the find, because it was "very rare" to find a b25 with an actual ball turret intact nowadays.
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I've never had a Brewster chase me down in a P-38J, even when a Brewster has dove on me with a 5,000ft altitude advantage it never got close to me.
ack-ack
There is NO way someone had a 5k alt advantage on YOU.......................... :noid :salute
NOT
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They pull it from Lake Murray in San Diego county?
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tell that to all the ppl who have been run down by brewsters in temps/ponies/38s/etc :rolleyes:
only time this will happen is if its angus :aok
on another note, a Brewbrew will only run you down if you make a very big mistake. i have never had a brewster catch me unless i was caught in a situation that i could not make it out of... and that situation is when im in a turn fighter on the deck, coming out of a turning situation.
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The ventral turret was found on early model B-25's and was actually standard on the B-25C that we have in game. It was however almost universally reviled by the air crews who couldn't hit a thing with it and it was known to cause vertigo and nausea on the part of the poor operator. As a result it appears that most units removed it in the field, especially in the Pacific where the the 25's were being converted to low level strafers and wouldn't need a belly gun anyway.
Wouldn't that make our B25C a field mod plane then?
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Wouldn't that make our B25C a field mod plane then?
yes it would... :headscratch:
then again when would anyone in this game actually take a B25C as a true opponent? :lol
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yes it would... :headscratch:
then again when would anyone in this game actually take a B25C as a true opponent? :lol
when its packing 10x .50 cals and 6 500lb bombs to drop on your precious m18. :t
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when its packing 10x .50 cals and 6 500lb bombs to drop on your precious m18. :t
I'd main gun it like the rest :aok
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yes it would... :headscratch:
Hmm. So much for no field mods in the game then huh.
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Hmm. So much for no field mods in the game then huh.
It wasn't a field mod, but something done on the way to the theater. This was true of all combat birds. Things were tweaked at the depots before they went to their units. The 5th AF for example had ball turrets removed from their B24s and tunnel guns in their place as working from wet and rough fields caused the ball turrets to get covered in mud and be rendered useless. The B25 mods were done before being assigned to squadrons, again as that was the requirement for 5th AF. Long range "Tokyo" tanks were added to many 8th AF B17s at the depot's in theater.
A field mod would be a one off or limited number of mods done at a squadron level or by an individual pilot or ground crew. The only field mod I can think of in game, is the Malcom hood on the P51B/C as that was produced in England and added as they became available at the group and squadron levels. It never made it to the MTO or PTO that I know of.
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I've never had a Brewster chase me down in a P-38J, even when a Brewster has dove on me with a 5,000ft altitude advantage it never got close to me.
ack-ack
I have this same sentiment. The only time a Brewster has kept up with me in a Pony was when I was low and slow, and I think that is because Ponies don't accelerate all that well.
A Brewster that has kept it's speed up is a wickedly surprising enemy.
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I have this same sentiment. The only time a Brewster has kept up with me in a Pony was when I was low and slow, and I think that is because Ponies don't accelerate all that well.
A Brewster that has kept it's speed up is a wickedly surprising enemy.
tonight i had my first brewster get on my six by diving... he was at 20k... got within 400 yards and started pinging