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Title: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 22, 2010, 10:06:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UqEhUm2B_8&feature=player_embedded

be warned

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Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Serenity on December 22, 2010, 02:24:48 PM
Hilarious!
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: 007Rusty on December 22, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: 1sum41 on December 22, 2010, 02:38:27 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: crazyivan on December 22, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
fn zombie carolers! :rofl
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Tupac on December 22, 2010, 03:22:34 PM
lol
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Selino631 on December 22, 2010, 04:06:04 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Tigger29 on December 22, 2010, 05:08:24 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole Zombie thing?

While the carolers were at most 'slightly' humorous, the rest of the video was just... kind of dumb.

Don't get me wrong I got a kick out of Zombieland, but I just don't understand this whole Zombie Craze going on and all.  Heck, there are places ever selling novelty "Zombie survival kits" at non-novelty prices!
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: ozrocker on December 22, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
My son-in-law is in the zombie craze too. I don't get it either. IMO all of the zombie movies =stupid


                                                                                                 <S> Oz
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Serenity on December 22, 2010, 05:20:09 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole Zombie thing?

While the carolers were at most 'slightly' humorous, the rest of the video was just... kind of dumb.

Don't get me wrong I got a kick out of Zombieland, but I just don't understand this whole Zombie Craze going on and all.  Heck, there are places ever selling novelty "Zombie survival kits" at non-novelty prices!

I have a "zombie survival kit" I made myself consisting of 3 MREs, a K-bar, and a couple rounds of .50 cal... (No gun to shoot them from, lol). I don't actually intend to use it for zombies, but it will be useful in any type of disaster!
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Plawranc on December 22, 2010, 05:37:15 PM
I do too!, I have an aluminium reinforced Base ball bat (no guns till 18 in Aussie), Tinned food, knife, First aid kit, and basics.

Will work on getting to the barracks nearby to either meet up with the military, or jack the guns from their armoury.  :devil
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: maddafinga on December 22, 2010, 08:32:09 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole Zombie thing?

While the carolers were at most 'slightly' humorous, the rest of the video was just... kind of dumb.

Don't get me wrong I got a kick out of Zombieland, but I just don't understand this whole Zombie Craze going on and all.  Heck, there are places ever selling novelty "Zombie survival kits" at non-novelty prices!

I've been in on a zombie craze for the better part of my life.  Zombie fiction combines elements of many fantastic themes, worldwide apocalypse, total breakdown of all society, monsters, survival themes, religious/supernatural overtones, etc.  Frequently the books and movies and shows that feature zombies also hold a pretty interesting lens through which you can examine the current society's various anxieties.  Good entertaining movies and food for thought built right in, not to mention the social commentary.  What's not to love?

As far as survival plans, I've been working on those for years. 

The must have equipment right now is a good 22 rifle and a backpack full of ammo for it, a good quality crobar, this two handed high carbon steel and polycarbonate machete from Cold Steel (cheap too!) (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1289/4680088475_779389ef7e.jpg) a bunch of MREs and binoculars, and a mountain bike too.

 Depending on the outbreak severity and anticipated duration, I have two pretty good go to plans.  Find a fair sized two story house, black out all the upper windows, bring a few ladders and all possible supplies up to the second floor, knock out the staircase.  It would be possible to ride it out a good while there.  The second involves the stone warehouse buildings on the fringes of towns, stone and concrete buildings, steel doors and no windows and tons of space.  Very very secure and with room for every possible bit of supplies you could possibly get. 
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 22, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
mine involves getting my hands on one of these bad boys

(http://www.militarypictures.info/d/370-3/Bradley.jpg)

getting to the coast, and finding an island :D
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Serenity on December 22, 2010, 09:53:36 PM
I've been in on a zombie craze for the better part of my life.  Zombie fiction combines elements of many fantastic themes, worldwide apocalypse, total breakdown of all society, monsters, survival themes, religious/supernatural overtones, etc.  Frequently the books and movies and shows that feature zombies also hold a pretty interesting lens through which you can examine the current society's various anxieties.  Good entertaining movies and food for thought built right in, not to mention the social commentary.  What's not to love?

As far as survival plans, I've been working on those for years. 

The must have equipment right now is a good 22 rifle and a backpack full of ammo for it, a good quality crobar, this two handed high carbon steel and polycarbonate machete from Cold Steel (cheap too!) (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1289/4680088475_779389ef7e.jpg) a bunch of MREs and binoculars, and a mountain bike too.

 Depending on the outbreak severity and anticipated duration, I have two pretty good go to plans.  Find a fair sized two story house, black out all the upper windows, bring a few ladders and all possible supplies up to the second floor, knock out the staircase.  It would be possible to ride it out a good while there.  The second involves the stone warehouse buildings on the fringes of towns, stone and concrete buildings, steel doors and no windows and tons of space.  Very very secure and with room for every possible bit of supplies you could possibly get. 

I don't know how much a .22 would do on zombies. From what i've seen in the zombie games and movies, zombies don't really have 'critical points' like brains which just need a little plinking to kill. You usually have to destroy the entire head, in which case I would suggest something along the lines of a nice 12ga shot gun with a mix of buck shot and slugs, as well as a good 'ole fashioned flame thrower.

From my present location in Texas, my plan would be:

I've got the MREs and K-bar already. Use those to get across town to Camp Mabrey and raid the armory there. Once I raid the armory, I will hole up in the Texas Military Museum, where I will plan on sleeping in one of the old tanks, and stow all my critical supplies in the other armored vehicles. I can venture out during the day to retrieve more MREs and ammo from the supply depot on base, and try to hook up with other Midshipmen and Active Duties. From there, we secure ourselves in the museum until the outbreak subsides. If the zombies come in, we shoot as many as we can coming through the doors or windows. If we get over-run, everyone locks themselves in a tank with the MREs. There's air and water, and the zombies aren't going to get in after us! Then it's just a matter of waiting...
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 22, 2010, 10:11:31 PM
but is the infection that zombies have communicable to say.. fish?

I say no.. but others have argued that I'm wrong. 

Were the creatures in I Am Legend zombies or what?
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: maddafinga on December 22, 2010, 10:17:31 PM
I don't know how much a .22 would do on zombies. From what i've seen in the zombie games and movies, zombies don't really have 'critical points' like brains which just need a little plinking to kill. You usually have to destroy the entire head, in which case I would suggest something along the lines of a nice 12ga shot gun with a mix of buck shot and slugs, as well as a good 'ole fashioned flame thrower.

From my present location in Texas, my plan would be:

I've got the MREs and K-bar already. Use those to get across town to Camp Mabrey and raid the armory there. Once I raid the armory, I will hole up in the Texas Military Museum, where I will plan on sleeping in one of the old tanks, and stow all my critical supplies in the other armored vehicles. I can venture out during the day to retrieve more MREs and ammo from the supply depot on base, and try to hook up with other Midshipmen and Active Duties. From there, we secure ourselves in the museum until the outbreak subsides. If the zombies come in, we shoot as many as we can coming through the doors or windows. If we get over-run, everyone locks themselves in a tank with the MREs. There's air and water, and the zombies aren't going to get in after us! Then it's just a matter of waiting...

It's all about the brain man.  Destroying the entire head is just an overkill way to destroy the brain, you see.  A 22 will kill the brain just fine, it's light and accurate and you can carry way more ammo than larger caliber rifles or shotguns.  Range is also a major factor, distance = safety, the farther away you can keep them away from  you to kill them the safer you are.  If they can't get close to you they can't grab you or bite you or overrun you.  Shotguns have to be much closer to be effective than a rifle.  Also consider that in a close quarters situation where the shotgun would be effective, hits would be spraying a splatter and fine mist of infected material all around, making accidental infections much more likely.  Also you'd have to stop and reload every so often, creating tremendous danger and basically leaving you undefended and helpless for a bit, all the while they're closing in or grabbing you.  At shotgun ranges you'd be way ahead to use the two handed machete, it's silent so you wouldn't attract more with the sounds of your firing, and it never needs reloading.  A decapitation pretty much removes the threat.  While the head is still alive, it can't come after you on its own you see.  

Think about your armory plan for a minute man, everyone else has already had the same idea.  All that equipment has already either been shipped out and is being used or been overrun and looted or been overrun by the zombies.  You want a very secure area where you won't be surprised by an unseen threat and lacks open areas new threats could come from.  You'll want a place with fewer people, not more.  

Read the zombie survival guide http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Complete-Protection/dp/1400049628  it's got pretty much everything you'd need to know, and will explain in great detail how and why your initial instincts are wrong.  Max has thought this stuff out so much more thoroughly than anyone else ever has already.  The work has already been done, you just need to get educated.  It's a great book too, entertaining, and the recorded attacks section at the end is fantastic.  

http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Zombie_Survival_Guide

http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons

http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Recorded_Attacks
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: danny76 on December 23, 2010, 12:29:45 AM
There's a zombie craze? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Plawranc on December 23, 2010, 01:13:51 AM
Holing up is the best form of defence against viral zombies, EG 28 days later and I am Legend.

But for Solanum and Radiation Zombies, or "The Undead" which have no nervous or mobile control. Mobility is the best form of defence as they are slow and easy targets, but are dangerous in large numbers, by keeping mobile you limit exposure to 1 or 2 at a time as different from 10 to 20. Also, Viral turns humans into animals, so they rely on light, sight, smell and sound. Holing up and hiding will work well, and as they are living zombies (I know it sounds dumb) they will starve or dehydrate to extinction once there are no more hosts.

The Undead will remain forever, so steadily killing them 1 at a time, or finding an area with enough resources and weapons and of course survivors to fight off substantial numbers to join on to is the key. If these dont exist as in total subjugation by the zombie hoardes. Run and gun is how its done!
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Serenity on December 23, 2010, 01:19:01 AM
Holing up is the best form of defence against viral zombies, EG 28 days later and I am Legend.

But for Solanum and Radiation Zombies, or "The Undead" which have no nervous or mobile control. Mobility is the best form of defence as they are slow and easy targets, but are dangerous in large numbers, by keeping mobile you limit exposure to 1 or 2 at a time as different from 10 to 20. Also, Viral turns humans into animals, so they rely on light, sight, smell and sound. Holing up and hiding will work well, and as they are living zombies (I know it sounds dumb) they will starve or dehydrate to extinction once there are no more hosts.

The Undead will remain forever, so steadily killing them 1 at a time, or finding an area with enough resources and weapons and of course survivors to fight off substantial numbers to join on to is the key. If these dont exist as in total subjugation by the zombie hoardes. Run and gun is how its done!

You bring up an interesting point... If you were the only one left on the planet... would you keep fighting for survival? Or would you bite a bullet...

I think personally, if I was the only normal human left in a world of zombies, the loneliness would take hold pretty quickly, and that bullet would be looking real friendly... but thats just me. I don't like being alone.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Plawranc on December 23, 2010, 01:20:50 AM
if I had a generator, And a tv, a pc an xbox, and easy access to a recently clensed GAME outlet. Id be fine for about 5 or 6 years.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: IamSalem on December 23, 2010, 11:13:53 AM
You bring up an interesting point... If you were the only one left on the planet... would you keep fighting for survival? Or would you bite a bullet...

I think personally, if I was the only normal human left in a world of zombies, the loneliness would take hold pretty quickly, and that bullet would be looking real friendly... but thats just me. I don't like being alone.


But how would you really know if you were the last one. That's what would keep me from biting the bullet. I have to agree with Madda, a good .22, like the one Tuk just got, would be perfect. Ammo is abundant and light. I've got a write up of what I'd do, but it's on my other computer. Will post later.


Oh, and cool video!  :aok
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 23, 2010, 11:22:25 AM
look at what I started.. *hangs head in shame ;)
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Tupac on December 23, 2010, 11:48:39 AM
Id drive to Mabry and hole up with Serenity, but first I would grab my dads 870, my .22 and my M39 along with all the ammo I can carry
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Soulyss on December 23, 2010, 12:04:42 PM
but is the infection that zombies have communicable to say.. fish?

I say no.. but others have argued that I'm wrong. 

Were the creatures in I Am Legend zombies or what?

In the original I Am Legend story/book they are vampires.  I haven't seen it, but I heard the movie changed the ending which pretty much ruins the point of the title. 
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 23, 2010, 12:16:31 PM
the movie and the book don't even remotely resemble each other...

oh and the book applies vacuum
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: APDrone on December 23, 2010, 02:04:32 PM
I saw the title of this thread and one thought came to mind.

Avoid Walmart.

WTH do these people come from??

Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: STXAce8 on December 23, 2010, 03:10:16 PM
How to stop zombies: get a mini gun with lots of ammo.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: crazyivan on December 23, 2010, 04:02:27 PM
Id drive to Mabry and hole up with Serenity, but first I would grab my dads 870, my .22 and my M39 along with all the ammo I can carry
That's right get on a main road! Tupac, aka just another zombie now.. :D

Madda Ilike the idea of a 22 head shots. Just not gonna hack it for close range action. There's always that 1 sneaky zombie that get's through your safety zone.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Ping on December 23, 2010, 05:29:19 PM
I would have to say that I am Legend is just a remake of Omega Man.
 :noid
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Tupac on December 23, 2010, 05:45:42 PM
There is a house on my street that has a deer fence, and is at the top of a hill with a clear 360 degree line of sight. That's where I would go short term, maybe a month. It's 2 stories, and I could black out the windows, and barricade the staircase.

I hit a javelina at 204 yards with my M39, I assume I could do the same thing hitting a zombie.

After I felt it was safe to move, I would grab my M39 and my .22, and start to head into town, looking for other people
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 23, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
I would have to say that I am Legend is just a remake of Omega Man.
 :noid

Legend was 100 times better :D
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: adam1 on December 23, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
I don't know how much a .22 would do on zombies.

   
  Actually, .22s are actually good with Zombies, because the rounds don't have the penatrating power to go all the way through one's

   head, so it rattles around inside it.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: IamSalem on December 23, 2010, 08:32:26 PM
  Actually, .22s are actually good with Zombies, because the rounds don't have the penatrating power to go all the way through one's

   head, so it rattles around inside it.

Yup, puncture the skull once then ricochete around inside.  :aok
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 23, 2010, 08:37:57 PM
In all of the what if Zombie threads I've ever seen I've never once heard anybody mention claymores. 

How about a flamethrower for close in and some napalm for extra crispy zombies?

Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Pigslilspaz on December 23, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
  Actually, .22s are actually good with Zombies, because the rounds don't have the penatrating power to go all the way through one's

   head, so it rattles around inside it.

That is actually the reason my friend bought a .22 over a .357
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Pigslilspaz on December 23, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
In all of the what if Zombie threads I've ever seen I've never once heard anybody mention claymores. 

How about a flamethrower for close in and some napalm for extra crispy zombies?



claymores are one time use, and very loud, drawing even more attention, booby traps and even bear traps would work good.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Raptor on December 23, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
Me and my friends have done some experiments and came to the conclusion that the Zombie condition is caused by a parasite that, once mature settles in the brain. It secretes a mucus which causes the host to lose advanced brain function, leaving the stem and primative functions in tact. The larva are most abundant in the sinus cavity and saliva, explaining why bites are the primary cause of infection. Science.

Re: whoever said get a boat and go to an island...
most ports and ocean front estates have a high population density. I for one would not want to risk traveling to a port, then trying to clear out a close-quarters vessel.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 23, 2010, 08:57:23 PM
ahh but I didn't share the rest of my nefarious plan.. you MAKE noise when pulling up about 200 yards from shore. Let the come a shambling out to the beach an pick them off one by one  :devil

That said.. if a shark eats a zombie will it become infected and thus a zombie shark?  Can you imagine a great white zombie? *shudders*
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Raptor on December 23, 2010, 09:16:10 PM
I don't think that it would transfer. Most diseases are only spread through one species, and things like avarian flu or swin flu are mutations. Most predators would not eat a zombie because they do not like rotting flesh. The only animals that would dine on the dead are scavengers, and they unique digestive systems that can digest rotting foods, so I do not think we would see zombie animals.  Just an increase in scavengers (cyotes, crows, vultures)
However since you are wanting to fear animals as well, there would be escaped animals from zoos, packs of wild dogs, etc.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Penguin on December 23, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
If you guys want to read a good zombie book, here's one that'll make your skin crawl:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passage_(2010_novel))

These aren't your average street stumblers.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Ping on December 24, 2010, 02:15:43 AM
Dichotomy I agree on Legend being better, BUT its still a remake  :neener:

Penguin, would that be Malcolm X ?
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 24, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
Agreed ^5
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: maddafinga on December 24, 2010, 01:34:07 PM
In all of the what if Zombie threads I've ever seen I've never once heard anybody mention claymores. 

How about a flamethrower for close in and some napalm for extra crispy zombies?



The fire won't kill them immediately, they wouldn't notice the pain at all, they'd just keep coming until the fire destroyed the brain.  Basically you'd end up with roving torches coming after you burning your shelter and forcing you out amongst them.  Same with booby traps, only a headshot from one of the bearings inside the claymore would do any damage, the rest would tear through harmlessly.  You'd attract a lot of attention and do yourself no good at all. 
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Big Rat on December 24, 2010, 01:49:10 PM
A Saiga 12 with a 30 round drum would be perfect close quarter zombie mess maker.  For shooting them more stand off I can use my Sig 516 (http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af288/BigRatphotos/Sig%20516/002.jpg?1293219761).  It gets a forward verticle grip for Christmas :D

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Dichotomy on December 24, 2010, 01:51:36 PM
The fire won't kill them immediately, they wouldn't notice the pain at all, they'd just keep coming until the fire destroyed the brain.  Basically you'd end up with roving torches coming after you burning your shelter and forcing you out amongst them.  Same with booby traps, only a headshot from one of the bearings inside the claymore would do any damage, the rest would tear through harmlessly.  You'd attract a lot of attention and do yourself no good at all. 

well I was thinking of setting them up about 5 ft and aiming them up at a 35 degree angle.  Oh and I wasn't planning on being close.  Minimum of 500 yards away :D
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: sunfan1121 on December 24, 2010, 01:55:01 PM
Weren't the zombies in the original zombie movies afraid of fire?
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: Serenity on December 24, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
Oh PLEASE don't add a verti-grip to the Sig! Why go and ruin a perfectly sexy gun?!?
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: crazyivan on December 24, 2010, 05:06:54 PM
After I felt it was safe to move, I would start to head into town, looking for other people
We lost Tupac again.damn zombies :D

Weren't the zombies in the original zombie movies afraid of fire?
Night of the living dead they were.
Title: Re: Surviving Zombies During the Holidays
Post by: maddafinga on December 24, 2010, 08:08:38 PM
We lost Tupac again.damn zombies :D
 Night of the living dead they were.

Well really, in their defense, fire bad....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLyJ4QMj-5M