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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gaboon on December 22, 2010, 07:14:21 PM
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Name me the first casualties during a state of war in December of 1941. What was the target and what was the platform causing the casualties.
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USS Kearny sank by Uboat U-568 Oct.17th 1941
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That is correct Uptown but I stated in December 1941
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Pretty sure it's something to do with the Carrier Akagi, but I'm not 100%
EDIT: Wait a minute isnt this Pearl Harbor
2nd EDIT: Now I am confused because Japan never declared a state of war... :headscratch:
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sub tender in the phillipines?
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I mean by December 1941 there were several places to look for a "state of war." Britain and Germany were at war. Germany had already started its offensive on the USSR. Japan was at war with China. Surrounding nations were obviously affected. There are many places to look before concluding who died on Dec, 1st 1941.
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Did a submarine have any thing to do with it ?
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Britain and France declared war on Germany 3rd September 1939.
Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941 at which point the US then declared war on Germany.
The first US forces didn't really start arriving in the European theater until January 1942. Not surprising considering the attack by the Japanese at Pearl. The war in Europe had been in progress for 2 1/2 years by this time.
Anyway, in answer to your question, I would guess it must be related to Pearl Harbour as the US wasn't at war with anyone up to that point in time.
RTR
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December 7 1941 the USS Ward fired 2 shots at a Japanese midget submarine the first shot passing over the conning tower the second shot hitting the sub on the right hand side and base of the conning tower sinking the submarine there by the United States fired the first shots of WWII killing the crew of the submarine. A total of 5 Submarines were launched to attack the harbor 4 of the 5 are accounted for and the 5th still remains a mystery as to where the sub is. Some believe the sub actually entered the harbor and fired both its torpedo's. There is a picture that shows 2 torpedo's and its wakes leading back to a shadow that many think this is the 5th submarine. If this is the case I believe the 5th sub is still in the harbor and just hasn't been found yet
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well i have a question here, when did WW2 actually start in 1939 or 1941? im confused :headscratch:.
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But no state of war was declared on Dec 7tth. Japanese had not even written a declaration of war until after they heard of the successful attack on Pearl Harbor :old:
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well i have a question here, when did WW2 actually start in 1939 or 1941? im confused :headscratch:.
September 1939, beginning with the German invasion of Poland, Britain and France declared war on Germany
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well i have a question here, when did WW2 actually start in 1939 or 1941? im confused :headscratch:.
Derk WWII started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. The US didn't enter into the war until December 1941 when the Japanese attacked Pearl.
So, just to clarify something that Gaboon stated. The US did not fire the first shots of the second world war. They may have fired the first shots at Pearl Harbour, but the war had been going on in europe for over 2 years by that time.
RTR
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gaboon didn't specify that it was the first US casualty of Dec 1941 so I am thinking it is unrelated to Pearl Harbor.
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Your right.
We need more info.
Gaboon? :D
RTR
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The United States wasn't at war when USS Ward sank that sub.
President Roosevelt didn't sign the declaration of war until the next day. December 8, 1941.
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Interestingly enough the gun from the Ward is outside the capital building in St. Paul, Minnesota. Many of the crew were reservists from Minnesota.
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The question might be.. When did the Second world war actually become a "World War".. From most of what I have read this was when Japan attacked the United States on 7 Dec. 1941.. Prior to that it was considered "A European conflict".. I may be mistaken here but that has been my impression..
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The question might be.. When did the Second world war actually become a "World War".. From most of what I have read this was when Japan attacked the United States on 7 Dec. 1941.. Prior to that it was considered "A European conflict".. I may be mistaken here but that has been my impression..
September 19, 1931 Japan marches into China.
Germany and Italy didn't make their move until 1936.
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September 19, 1931 Japan marches into China.
Germany and Italy didn't make their move until 1936.
Yes I know.. But again, Japanese aggression against China was also considered to be a localized (Asian) Conflict.. Japan also became a member of the Axis powers prior to 7 Dec. 1941.. It was for this reason that Hitler declared war upon the United States immediately following the attack on Pearl.. But it was the attack on Pearl that brought the U.S., ultimately, into the war.. Many would argue that this was the turning point at which the conflict became Global..
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Every textbook says 1939. Remember, America is not the center of the universe
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WWII wasn't a world war until the United States entered the war when we declared war on Japan on Dec. 8 1941. The United States was in a state of war knowing a attack was eminent but just didn't know where the attack would come from. All patrol ships had orders to fire on any unidentified ships.
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WWII wasn't a world war until the United States entered the war when we declared war on Japan on Dec. 8 1941. The United States was in a state of war knowing a attack was eminent but just didn't know where the attack would come from. All patrol ships had orders to fire on any unidentified ships.
Since the question was "Name me the first casualties during a state of war in December of 1941. What was the target and what was the platform causing the casualties."
Since most of the world EXCEPT the United States was at war at that time, those "first casualties during a state of war in December 1941" would probably be from many other nationalities.
Those two Japanese sailors were just two of tens of thousands that lost their lives around the world at that time.
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WWII wasn't a world war until the United States entered the war when we declared war on Japan on Dec. 8 1941. The United States was in a state of war knowing a attack was eminent but just didn't know where the attack would come from. All patrol ships had orders to fire on any unidentified ships.
You must be joking?
A) The world was at war long before Pearl Harbour.
The Battle of Britain had been waged.
Russia had been invaded
And the only battle of note on US soil was Pearl Harbour which isn't on mainland USA. Further, was there any fighting of note in the whole American continent (both north and south)? Your understanding of world is a little flawed. Either that or the rest of us are wrong.
B) What is a "State of War"? A state of war only exists after a declaration. That's why most of the world uses the term conflict after Vietnam and Korea in historically dealing with them.
C) I would suggest every patrol vessel fires on unidentified ships whether it was 1941 or 2011 if those ships pose a threat. i'm sure if I was to sail up to the CVN-77 in an unmarked boat I wouldn't get a bunch of flowers thrown at me.
Next time for Trivia maybe ask "How long is a piece of string? It's a bit more precise.
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6 cubits?
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Or we could have these in the O'Club... Or make one post with six different questions.
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Sure got a lot of bites for that one :lol
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WWII wasn't a world war until the United States entered the war...
cant really think of an appropriate reply which doesnt break the forum rules, so I'll just say get an education and leave it at that. :rolleyes:
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WWII wasn't a world war until the United States entered the war when we declared war on Japan on Dec. 8 1941.
Huh, I thought I smelled some fish there.
If not, this is a very, very sad statement.
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cant really think of an appropriate reply which doesnt break the forum rules, so I'll just say get an education and leave it at that. :rolleyes:
Well, prior to the US entering the war formally, discounting of course the aid we were sending abroad, what country was involved prior to US entry that linked combatants across the circumference on the globe? Canada perhaps?
And your right about the US not being the center of the universe, England is right? Greenwich is 0'0".
To the OP, well the battle for Hong Kong began on that day, going to be pretty hard to neck that one down...
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Sure got a lot of bites for that one :lol
Just trying to show that if the person playing Alex Trebek is putting together a quiz he needs to be very careful to word the question to point to his specific answer.
This particular quiz question was very poorly written and I think needed to be pointed out if future quiz questions are forthcoming.
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Or we could have these in the O'Club... Or make one post with six different questions.
I think the general discussion forum is a great place for these. It certainly beats the ranting, raving, whining, and flaming that most of the posts here seem to start off as or become. It's a refreshing change of pace. :salute
PS. When searching for the answer to this trivia question I was blown away when I stumbled upon who was the 1st female casuality of the war. Anyone have a guess who that might have been?
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nvm
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Derk WWII started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. The US didn't enter into the war until December 1941 when the Japanese attacked Pearl.
So, just to clarify something that Gaboon stated. The US did not fire the first shots of the second world war. They may have fired the first shots at Pearl Harbour, but the war had been going on in europe for over 2 years by that time.
RTR
I would assume it wouldn't be a 'world war' unless nations from all over the globe are actively engaged against each other with sides clearly defined.
Can't say WW2 started with germany invading poland simply because there was a war in europe and a war in china/japan when china wasnt an ally of allied forces of europe nor japan an enemy of allied forces europe at the time. It was european conflict not global.
You could say it became a world war when japan allied itself with germany, declared war on the US (by proxy making the US and germany enemies even if germany didnt declare war on the US until a few days later) and became enemy to allied forces including the british commonwealth... which made china an ally of the US and Britain practically instantly.
It was only until then that separate conflicts all over the world became polarized into allies and axis and the fighting became widespread on a global scale.
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I would assume it wouldn't be a 'world war' unless nations from all over the globe are actively engaged against each other with sides clearly defined.
Can't say WW2 started with germany invading poland simply because there was a war in europe and a war in china/japan when china wasnt an ally of allied forces of europe nor japan an enemy of allied forces europe at the time. It was european conflict not global.
You could say it became a world war when japan allied itself with germany, declared war on the US (by proxy making the US and germany enemies even if germany didnt declare war on the US until a few days later) and became enemy to allied forces including the british commonwealth... which made china an ally of the US and Britain practically instantly.
It was only until then that separate conflicts all over the world became polarized into allies and axis and the fighting became widespread on a global scale.
Using your logic then, WWII started in September 1940 when Japan formally became allies with Germany, linking the war in Europe with the War in Asia.
OR using your logic, a secret treaty between a European nation, lets say Germany, and a mostly Asian nation, oh how about we use Russia for the heck of it, to attack Poland in 1939.
Britain declared war, France declared war, there was fighting between German and British/French Naval ships all across the world from South America to the Indian Ocean.