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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Avanti on December 31, 2010, 02:15:23 AM
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My reasoning for this is cause it is quite a good plane and is very versatile
I also propose the same for the Spitfire MkXVI
Thoughts?
Flame suit is on
Avanti
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-1-1-1-1-1. If we ever bring the P51C into the game perk that, but not my P51D. I mean our P51D yeah.(dont worry my precious they wont perk you)
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What do you think a P51C is? It's a P51B built in Dallas. So we have it already. Perking any Mustang would be just silly,as would perking the 16. Just shoot em.
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I think this is an original idea and warrants some consideration.
:uhoh
Sorry. :D
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Hmm, rolling perk system with plane perks based on the KD ratio of the previous tour might do a little to create diversity.
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want the mustang perked? fine.
i want your 109k4
spit16
190D-9
perked.
perk those along with the mustang, and we have a deal. :aok
..oh, and unperk the me262. no use having a plane anyone barely flies perked now is there? :noid :D
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want the mustang perked? fine.
i want your 109k4
spit16
190D-9
perked.
perk those along with the mustang, and we have a deal. :aok
Fine by me, I rarely fly any of those
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Fine by me, I rarely fly any of those
And those who DO fly those particular models fairly often? I'm sure they'll demand to perk YOUR favorite rides...
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cool pony dives in from 20k extends 3 sectors, comes back at 20k, dives, extends for 3 sectors. oh yeah, its a great plane. that's how most people fly it, same for fw190's. a few can actually fly fight in it. most just hit and run. you want to perk one, try the p47 with its unlimited ammo 3400 rounds?
semp
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Hmm, rolling perk system with plane perks based on the KD ratio of the previous tour might do a little to create diversity.
Just had a quick look at this, 104 vehicles to use, discount chute and gun, if you perked the top 20 on KD you wouldnt get the P51D it comes in about 24, P47M would get perked at lowest rate coming in at 19 or 20th place.
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Just had a quick look at this, 104 vehicles to use, discount chute and gun, if you perked the top 20 on KD you wouldnt get the P51D it comes in about 24, P47M would get perked at lowest rate coming in at 19 or 20th place.
Wirbles would feel some pain :)
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want the mustang perked? fine.
i want your 109k4
spit16
190D-9
perked.
perk those along with the mustang, and we have a deal. :aok
..oh, and unperk the me262. no use having a plane anyone barely flies perked now is there? :noid :D
262's and 163's should not even be in this game..neither did much in the real war. 163's total of 8 kills :huh
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262's and 163's should not even be in this game..neither did much in the real war. 163's total of 8 kills :huh
I think their initial fear factor in the war and far advanced engineering at the time earn them the right to be in our little game.
Plus, they're nice to have for scenarios such as the upcoming 2011 Battle over Germany scenario.
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Grab the F4U-4 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Grab the Spit14 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Perking the P51D does have its merit, other than the fact that the crying would be worse than a gym full of 300 children who just saw Barney get killed. :lol
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No flames just heaping doses of NOPE. :aok
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if u perk the 51 then the mossie needs to be perked.
with decent throttle and rudder control the mossie can dog fight a 51 with ease.
ive had many a 51 run away from a fight in my mossie (the ones that lived).
ill take a mossie to a furball over a 51 anyday.
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Personally, I think any plane ENY 10 or less needs to have a 1-5 perk cost. Just like HTC has done with the T-34/85 and the M4/76.
The OP fails to give a logical reason why he'd like it perked.
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How about no?
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If HTC give me a P-51D that can fly like the ones I saw on the History Channel series Dog Fight then I say go a head and perk it. Other wise let it alone.
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51 REALLY isnt that remarkable an aircraft in here, and it's not the fastest, I don't believe. I'd imagine it gets more porker sorties than anything else
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if u perk the 51 then the mossie needs to be perked.
with decent throttle and rudder control the mossie can dog fight a 51 with ease.
ive had many a 51 run away from a fight in my mossie (the ones that lived).
ill take a mossie to a furball over a 51 anyday.
Then you have not fought against just an average P51D pilot then. ;) The P51D is faster, turns better (w/ flaps), accelerates better, climbs better, dives, better, rolls better, and recovers from stalls much easier. The only things the Mossi Mk IV has on the P51D are better guns and more ordnance capability (4/500lb > 2/1k bombs).
The Mossi is not a dog fighter, for air to air it needs to stay fast as speed and firepower are its only blessings. The P51D can at least pop flaps at high speeds and turn.
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wow the pony....perked, thats the last thing we need. Most of the planes that are perked from their weapons or speed. Pony has no cannons and plenty of things can keep up with it.
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The Mossi is not a dog fighter, for air to air it needs to stay fast as speed and firepower are its only blessings. The P51D can at least pop flaps at high speeds and turn.
erm wrong.
you can stall fight the mossie.
mossie is a dog fighter IF you know how to fight it. i do ( or at least i did. ive not played for a few mnths). 51 is easy meat unless u now the 51 well.
the only plane i fear in a mossie is a 38 and thats mainly due to i always get caught out by the top sticks in it.
i flew the mossie as my main ride for around a year for EVERY type of combat from low alt base defense against cv to high alt bombers / fighters.
"few" people have taken the time to learn the mossie so it has a bad reputation. it is a difficult plane to fight well but you can do it with practice.
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Imho there are only a very small # that need perking now...since we have 109Ks, P-51s, Doras ect all non perked, there is little to no reason to have many perked any more. Me 262 I guess? and one or two others. Thats it.
Perking P-51. Will never happen simply because of the great # of players who want them in game in unlimited quantity. Will never happen.
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The F4U-4, F4U-1C, Tempest Mk V, Me262, Me163, Ar234, Mosquito Mk XVI, Firefly VC, Panther V G, Tiger I and, future, B-29 should all remain perked. The Spitfire Mk XIV, Sherman (76), T-34/85 and, future, A-26 are more marginal.
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The F4U-4, F4U-1C, Tempest Mk V, Me262, Me163, Ar234, Mosquito Mk XVI, Firefly VC, Panther V G, Tiger I and, future, B-29 should all remain perked. The Spitfire Mk XIV, Sherman (76), T-34/85 and, future, A-26 are more marginal.
half the planes youve stated are perked, soo.... :huh
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half the planes youve stated are perked, soo.... :huh
All the units I mentioned are perked. I was stating the ones I think are solidly needing to be perked, vs the ones that might not need to be perked.
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It is a very capable plane I agree.
Should we perk a plane that was produced in such large numbers?
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Should we perk a plane that was produced in such large numbers?
Numbers don't play any role in determining if a unit is perked or not. That said, it shouldn't be perked.
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No way does the P-51 need to be perked. Its climb rate will always keep it from being a great dogfighter against anyone that knows what hes doing and is in the right plane. And IMO anyone that wants to run at 18K for 5 sectors just to get a kill or two will never be a threat and neither will the mount that takes them there.
-1 on perking the P-51, and I think they should move the ENY back up to 8 or maybe even 10. :aok
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No way pony needs or deserves to be perked, obviously HTC feels the same about the Spit 16.
The pony especially has its shortcomings that can be exploited.
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I think their initial fear factor in the war and far advanced engineering at the time earn them the right to be in our little game.
Plus, they're nice to have for scenarios such as the upcoming 2011 Battle over Germany scenario.
you mean the ones we're gonna shoot down? :D
back on topic... I fly the P51B mainly, love the bird. for me its easier to fly than the Delta... Should my 51B be perked too?
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Most 51s are skittish enough as it is. Perking will only make them more so.
Now having a destroyable 51D strat on the other hand... :devil
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Personally, I think any plane ENY 10 or less needs to have a 1-5 perk cost. Just like HTC has done with the T-34/85 and the M4/76.
+1 on this idea - perk em all.
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you mean the ones we're gonna shoot down? :D
back on topic... I fly the P51B mainly, love the bird. for me its easier to fly than the Delta... Should my 51B be perked too?
no way should be bravo be perked! delta shouldnt either because all it does is dive in from 30k run away then do it over again...nothing really worth perking over. -1 to this idea
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no way should be bravo be perked! delta shouldnt either because all it does is dive in from 30k run away then do it over again...nothing really worth perking over. -1 to this idea
you never flown a 51 well huh? this is far from the truth. People just believe this is the case because they cannot fly any other way.
Second off you didn't notice the sarcasm in my writing? :rolleyes:
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you never flown a 51 well huh? this is far from the truth. People just believe this is the case because they cannot fly any other way.
Second off you didn't notice the sarcasm in my writing? :rolleyes:
lol bar. his calls mustangs "runstangs", and critisizes me in the DA whenever i fly one. :rolleyes:
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all the good planes get called names - but then they fly some other lw airplane or modified plane or whatever as if thats any better.
I think th perk system is fine - if anything - I would unperk the 14 too. . .
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Yep put the D-Pony back to ENY of 8 and un-perk the Spit 14. While the P-51D may not be under modeled in AH. In my opinion it is at the low end of the performance scale in here. Having been around a real life P-51D owned by a family friend. I saw what this plane can do in many air shows over the years and it still had the factory motor in it. Of course the guns and armor was gone and the fuel load was not a combat load out. So the weight was much less.
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Yep put the D-Pony back to ENY of 8 and un-perk the Spit 14. While the P-51D may not be under modeled in AH. In my opinion it is at the low end of the performance scale in here. Having been around a real life P-51D owned by a family friend. I saw what this plane can do in many air shows over the years and it still had the factory motor in it. Of course the guns and armor was gone and the fuel load was not a combat load out. So the weight was much less.
Although I don't agree that the P-51D is on the low end of the 'uber' scale, I definitely do agree that the ENY should be raised to 8, or at the very least 7.5.
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Although I don't agree that the P-51D is on the low end of the 'uber' scale, I definitely do agree that the ENY should be raised to 8, or at the very least 7.5.
What brings you to that conclusion? Despite all the "noobs" flying it and its supposed lack of uberness, it still has way more kills than any other plane in the game. Also not a bad K/D ratio for all that useage (kind of like how mediocre the M-4/76 and WW are ;)). And if it is really not all that great, why does it get flown so much? It is just fine at 5 ENY.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH2%20screenshots/Untitled-1.png)
edit: I know you said it was not on the low end of the uber scale Eskimo, I threw that in there because of all the people that claim it is nothing special.
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The plane really is nothing special, with regards to Aces High.
Because of this, it is often flown in a way that is considered timid or annoying. In the case of most pilots, a slow pony is a dead pony, there are very few that can effectively dogfight every plane in the game w/ a pony (I myself still get whooped on a regular basis by all sorts of aircraft and I've been flying the Bravo for a couple years now). People yell that it should be perked because there are so many P-51D's to be killed by.
Frankly, I'm surprised I don't see more Typhoon perk whines. A BnZ Typhoon is much more deadly than a P-51. Ponies have to keep their guns on target much longer, as their guns don't have the same "critical hit" ability that the Hizookas have. Not to mention, I hardly ever see a Typhoon enter a fight anything less than 5k above (I know there are exceptions). I've deduced that people are getting frustrated with the NUMBER of P-51's they see of whom they are unable to catch since they are BnZing.
It is not the fastest plane in the game by any means (LA7's whoop it)
It accelerates poorly
It's climb rate is average
It's sustained turning ability is mediocre at best
It's instant turn rate is actually pretty decent, but very short lived
It's firepower is average
Visibility is good
Directional stability is garbage (and because of this, any E-retention and gunnery abilities truly are thanks to the pilot)
I'm sure I've forgotten some things, but really, this plane doesn't even come close to a perk ride. If the Delta were perked, it would not only be the WORST perk ride in the game, but it would be severely outmatched by numerous non-perk rides.
If this game were played at 20k+ altitude, the Delta could be very scary (I feel that is when the laminar wing really shines). However, with the way the game is played currently, perking this aircraft would accomplish nothing but make a fairly middle-of-the-road aircraft expensive.
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What brings you to that conclusion? Despite all the "noobs" flying it and its supposed lack of uberness, it still has way more kills than any other plane in the game. Also not a bad K/D ratio for all that useage (kind of like how mediocre the M-4/76 and WW are ;)). And if it is really not all that great, why does it get flown so much? It is just fine at 5 ENY.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH2%20screenshots/Untitled-1.png)
edit: I know you said it was not on the low end of the uber scale Eskimo, I threw that in there because of all the people that claim it is nothing special.
And, add the fact that it has the most kills despite also being used as a bomb truck.
You know, dive in on the dar and die?
It's just dandy at 5.
wrongway
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And, add the fact that it has the most kills despite also being used as a bomb truck.
You know, dive in on the dar and die?
It's just dandy at 5.
wrongway
Most will put their flight into attack mode while doing this anyway, so the K/D is probably fairly accurate.
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you never flown a 51 well huh? this is far from the truth. People just believe this is the case because they cannot fly any other way.
Second off you didn't notice the sarcasm in my writing? :rolleyes:
sorry, sarcasm is hard to hear when its written. :noid
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The plane really is nothing special, with regards to Aces High.
Really. Are we talking about the same Aces High, where most people take the path of least resistance more often than not?
The P-51D is subpar as a TNB dogfighter. But it is a stone cold killer. If you switched the flight model with that of the P-40E, would you really believe the P-51D would still be at the top of the kill chart every month?
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Grab the F4U-4 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Grab the Spit14 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Perking the P51D does have its merit, other than the fact that the crying would be worse than a gym full of 300 children who just saw Barney get killed. :lol
Given equal pilots the -4 will eat the 51's lunch. The 4hog is the best prop plane in game... do some searching, widewing did an excellent write up as to why.
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51 can be easily beaten if you would take the time to learn how....... Whats next, perk everything else you get shot down by?
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51 can be easily beaten if you would take the time to learn how....... Whats next, perk everything else you get shot down by?
lemme guess, his next wish is to perk the la7...then the k4...then the hurri2c...i can say that if giving a p51 a small perk price what will stop people from using it? alot of people use the chog and its perked. i never had one naval assault on a friendly base without at least 1 chog (that i can remember) being there. perking it is useless
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Really. Are we talking about the same Aces High, where most people take the path of least resistance more often than not?
The P-51D is subpar as a TNB dogfighter. But it is a stone cold killer. If you switched the flight model with that of the P-40E, would you really believe the P-51D would still be at the top of the kill chart every month?
Yes, we are.
People often pick a ride because it is their favorite one for historical reasons. P-51D is probably one of the more popular aircraft in this regard. I wish I could pull up the number of sorties the P-51 has, I think that would be very telling. I'd be willing to bet that the reason the P-51D is a "top killer every month" is because it probably has the most sorties every month. And to be fair, the P-51D is far from the "path of least resistance." The BnZ tactic may be, but the plane? Absolutely not.
The P-51D is not easy to be good at. Which characteristic makes it a "stone cold killer" over other aircraft, exactly?
People are taking a tactic (BnZ) and saying that it's because the plane isn't perked. Imagine how much more timid Pony pilots would be if they had to PAY to fly it? Perking this aircraft will accomplish NOTHING. I just see no statistic that points to it's dominance over any aircraft in LW. It has the most kills, yes, but the K/D ratio indicates that is a product of number of sorties, and not aircraft dominance.
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want the mustang perked? fine.
i want your 109k4
spit16
190D-9
perked.
perk those along with the mustang, and we have a deal. :aok
Agreed...and I don't fly the K4 or D9.
But if the 51 D was ever perked...I have 32000 fighter perks....so I could care less :neener:
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If your only flying the 51 as a BnZ plane your missing an entire different part of its capabilities, the best part of it if you will, a very capable and effective flap fighter.
We were talking about that today with another plane, the C2 is another hidden jem that people fail to learn properly. BNZ is a style of flying that is not my style, but its effective when needed and not needed ALL the time. Some planes handle as well as the 51 under flaps, I would much rather scrap using flaps, stall, roll tactics, which seem much more effective.
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all the good planes get called names - but then they fly some other lw airplane or modified plane or whatever as if thats any better.
I think th perk system is fine - if anything - I would unperk the 14 too. . .
fly the 14... youll see the major advantages it has over the other spits... Its amazing. Like a 51 on steroids high alt. and a 51 at low alts. I always land 5+ kills in it. cant do that in another spit to save my life
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Yes, we are.
People often pick a ride because it is their favorite one for historical reasons. P-51D is probably one of the more popular aircraft in this regard. I wish I could pull up the number of sorties the P-51 has, I think that would be very telling. I'd be willing to bet that the reason the P-51D is a "top killer every month" is because it probably has the most sorties every month. And to be fair, the P-51D is far from the "path of least resistance." The BnZ tactic may be, but the plane? Absolutely not.
The P-51D is not easy to be good at. Which characteristic makes it a "stone cold killer" over other aircraft, exactly?
People are taking a tactic (BnZ) and saying that it's because the plane isn't perked. Imagine how much more timid Pony pilots would be if they had to PAY to fly it? Perking this aircraft will accomplish NOTHING. I just see no statistic that points to it's dominance over any aircraft in LW. It has the most kills, yes, but the K/D ratio indicates that is a product of number of sorties, and not aircraft dominance.
I was waiting for the "they fly it for it's history" routine. From what I remember, The WWII aircraft that I heard about most were Spitfires (Battle of Britain Spit I - you know the ones that everybody ignores for the much more historically significant Spit XVI.) and the P-40s of The Flying Tigers. Mustangs, Corsairs and Thunderbolt were prominently mentioned, but not like the Spits and Warhawks. Not too many fly the P-40B or Spit I despite the history book hype.
They fly the 51D because its fast as hell. It gives an opponent less time to evade and on defense, it allows the Mustang to run, zoom and come screaming back in on the offensive. Why if it is so unremarkable a performer, does it still draw such a big following?
And I don't want it perked at all. Someone mentioned that it should be 8 ENY again and I disagreed because of its popularity. As far as aircraft "dominance", I never said or inferred such a thing.
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fly the 14... youll see the major advantages it has over the other spits... Its amazing. Like a 51 on steroids high alt. and a 51 at low alts. I always land 5+ kills in it. cant do that in another spit to save my life
well thats just you. i see no difference between a spit8 and a 14, i can do well in both but its the pilot not the plane
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They fly the 51D because its fast as hell. It gives an opponent less time to evade and on defense, it allows the Mustang to run, zoom and come screaming back in on the offensive. Why if it is so unremarkable a performer, does it still draw such a big following?
The reason for the popularity of the Mustang in Aces High and in other online flight sims over the years is because of the reputation it gained during the war. People want to fly the plane that the History Channel says won the air war over Europe.
People that have cried and whined to have the P-51D perked have failed to show why it needs to be perked other than their attempts to try and use usage stats as their primary data to get the plane perked.
Those numbers from the stat page you posted earlier don't help to prove your point either as those numbers only show the number of kills but that's it, it doesn't show how those kills were derived. Because those numbers do not paint the complete picture, it is useless to use those stats as the basis to call into question whether or not the P-51D needs to be perked.
Here is an example of what I'm trying to explain. A couple years ago someone was trying to get the P-38J perked in the Midwar Arena because the P-38J was the number one killer in the arena for at least 4-5 tours at the end of 2008 beginning of 2009. The 2nd place plane (the Hellcat) lagged behind by hundreds of kills as the gap between #1 and #2 was that wide, so this player wanted the P-38J perked because of the stats being reflected from its usage and kills in the MW arena. If you were to look at the stats alone, then you might agree that yeah, the P-38J did deserve a slight perk because of the numbers it generated but when one started to look further into it, those numbers the P-38J put up during those months was very misleading. It turns out that four players were responsible for 30% of the P-38J's numbers in the MW arena during that period and factoring out the numbers from those 4 P-38J pilots, the stats for the P-38J were far lower and gave a more accurate portrayal of the P-38J's effectiveness in the MW arena and clearly showed that the P-38J definitely didn't need to be perked.
ack-ack
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well thats just you. i see no difference between a spit8 and a 14, i can do well in both but its the pilot not the plane
Wrong Skorpion, the Spit XIV is a beast and deserves to be perked. I would guess you have never flown it..it is a monster.
As far as the C-Hog goes it is perked for a reason. It has the ability to really dominate in the arena. It was perked for just that reason years ago. Probably the best ride in the game and had a huge impact prior to being perked.
RTR
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Wrong Skorpion, the Spit XIV is a beast and deserves to be perked.
Absolutely not perk worthy.
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What brings you to that conclusion? Despite all the "noobs" flying it and its supposed lack of uberness, it still has way more kills than any other plane in the game. Also not a bad K/D ratio for all that useage (kind of like how mediocre the M-4/76 and WW are ;)). And if it is really not all that great, why does it get flown so much? It is just fine at 5 ENY.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH2%20screenshots/Untitled-1.png)
edit: I know you said it was not on the low end of the uber scale Eskimo, I threw that in there because of all the people that claim it is nothing special.
What I find interesting . . . and I could be wrong, but . . . I think its usage (as measured by total kills + total deaths) has gone up recently compared to the other "big 4" aircraft (La-7, Spixteen, Nik being the other three traditionally).
What's changed? It's ENY went to a 5 from an 8. This would seem to indicate a large population is still flocking to what they think is the "best" non-perked aircraft based on ENY.
Only slightly playing devil's advocate, perhaps a return of the 51's ENY to 8 and the others to a 5 again would lower it's usage vs. the others.
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Most will put their flight into attack mode while doing this anyway, so the K/D is probably fairly accurate.
Stats page doen't take into account what mode you fly in. It's purely Kills to Deaths.
wrongway
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-1-1-1-1-1. If we ever bring the P51C into the game perk that, but not my P51D. I mean our P51D yeah.(dont worry my precious they wont perk you)
Why? :huh
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Absolutely not perk worthy.
is for me and a few of my squaddies. fly it like an overcharged/tighter turning 51 with cannons.
Why? :huh
agreed :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: a 51C stealth is a 51B from Dallas TX
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the reason I said the 14 could be unprked is because in teh right hands its a monster true - but it has som really nasty stall characteristics - I think its actually the worst plane to control at the stall I have ever flown. . . but yah - smart people don't put the plane in those kinds of situations.
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I was waiting for the "they fly it for it's history" routine. From what I remember, The WWII aircraft that I heard about most were Spitfires (Battle of Britain Spit I - you know the ones that everybody ignores for the much more historically significant Spit XVI.) and the P-40s of The Flying Tigers. Mustangs, Corsairs and Thunderbolt were prominently mentioned, but not like the Spits and Warhawks. Not too many fly the P-40B or Spit I despite the history book hype.
They fly the 51D because its fast as hell. It gives an opponent less time to evade and on defense, it allows the Mustang to run, zoom and come screaming back in on the offensive. Why if it is so unremarkable a performer, does it still draw such a big following?
And I don't want it perked at all. Someone mentioned that it should be 8 ENY again and I disagreed because of its popularity. As far as aircraft "dominance", I never said or inferred such a thing.
P-51D specifically is considered "the plane that won the war." Whether or not that's accurate, or if you believe in it is irrelevant. The average person can identify a P-51D over a P-40 or Spitfire, at least in the states. Considering most subscribers to this game are American, I'm not surprised at all that the P-51D is so popular. That's all I'm saying.
It may be fast, but the LA-7 and 109-K4 is faster by a good margin, but you don't see hundreds of those because they don't have the historical significance.
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Interesting to find that when I am using the F4U-4 the 51D is what I killed the most of.
Using the F4U-C, besides bombers, it was LA7's, 51D's then Spit 16's that I killed the most of.
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Given equal pilots the -4 will eat the 51's lunch. The 4hog is the best prop plane in game... do some searching, widewing did an excellent write up as to why.
Even a F4U-1 will beat a P51-D all day long.
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Even a F4U-1 will beat a P51-D all day long.
as long as it doesnt go runstang :lol
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Even a F4U-1 will beat a P51-D all day long.
that all depends on the pilot. ive shot down many -4 and 1a's in my pony.
i do think the f4u-1 is the best f4u tho,.
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that all depends on the pilot. ive shot down many -4 and 1a's in my pony.
i do think the f4u-1 is the best f4u tho,.
agreed. a P51B (D also i think) can pull a verticle tailslide that will get your sights on an F4U easily.
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agreed. a P51B (D also i think) can pull a verticle tailslide that will get your sights on an F4U easily.
hehe...tailslide. Sometimes some maneuvers are best left at the airshows.
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hehe...tailslide. Sometimes some maneuvers are best left at the airshows.
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:lol not the best description
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agreed. a P51B (D also i think) can pull a verticle tailslide that will get your sights on an F4U easily.
Given = pilots the -4 is the best plane in the game. 51s of either flavor do not stand a chance. Best thing for the 51 pilot to do is keep on running. The hog will out accel/climb/turn. The only thing the 51 has is high speed flaps.... and since all fights slow that advantage does not last long.
Fantasy land if you think a 51 should be perked and a -4hog not.
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Given = pilots the -4 is the best plane in the game. 51s of either flavor do not stand a chance. Best thing for the 51 pilot to do is keep on running. The hog will out accel/climb/turn. The only thing the 51 has is high speed flaps.... and since all fights slow that advantage does not last long.
Fantasy land if you think a 51 should be perked and a -4hog not.
not entirely, ive outturned -4s and 1Ds in the B model, and im using a mouse. but the f4us do have alot more armor than the pony
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not entirely, ive outturned -4s and 1Ds in the B model, and im using a mouse. but the f4us do have alot more armor than the pony
DA Furball Lake doesn't count.
Sincere apologies.
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DA Furball Lake doesn't count.
Sincere apologies.
why does it not?
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not entirely, ive outturned -4s and 1Ds in the B model, and im using a mouse. but the f4us do have alot more armor than the pony
2 pilots of the same skill in a dual the one in the -4hog will win. The hog holds all the cards. The numbers dont lie. If they ever model the P-63 the 51 would have its hands full with that. As a matter of fact co-alt co-e below 13k the 51 will have a tough time with the p-39. The point is the P-51 has no need of a perk price.
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Wrong Skorpion, the Spit XIV is a beast and deserves to be perked. I would guess you have never flown it..it is a monster.
As far as the C-Hog goes it is perked for a reason. It has the ability to really dominate in the arena. It was perked for just that reason years ago. Probably the best ride in the game and had a huge impact prior to being perked.
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you would have guessed wrong. i see no difference (other than speed) in a spit14 than when using a spit8/9
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you would have guessed wrong. i see no difference (other than speed) in a spit14 than when using a spit8/9
spit14 flies more like an uber mustang than a spitfire. theres alot of differences
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spit14 flies more like an uber mustang than a spitfire. theres alot of differences
*sigh* im no good in the spit or p51...therefore i see no difference! im more of a 109 guy.
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Grab the F4U-4 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Grab the Spit14 and compare it with the P51D, compare the performance differences, the gun package differences, and ordnance differences, and then report as to why you the F4U-4 is perked and the P51D is not.
Double check your answers.
Perking the P51D does have its merit, other than the fact that the crying would be worse than a gym full of 300 children who just saw Barney get killed. :lol
F-4u4 can out turn a spit-sixteen and is faster then the pony (it is also the best plane in the set).
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Having nothing to do with the gameplay.... NO.
Bad for business! 5 years ago, the first thing I hopped into was a Mustang, as do many newbs (and noobs).
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I dont think Hitech will fall for this wish. Long ago he came to realize that most people wish for changes that favor their strengths. However Im betting the OP made this particular wish just to get replies.
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I dont think Hitech will fall for this wish. Long ago he came to realize that most people wish for changes that favor their strengths. However Im betting the OP made this particular wish just to get replies.
Actually no I didn't
I think both aircraft are too over used and the field should be leveled out,
Nearly every second aircraft is a Spit16 or a pony
I'm not asking for a huge perk price, 1 or 2 perks is all i'm asking
Avanti
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Actually no I didn't
I think both aircraft are too over used and the field should be leveled out,
Nearly every second aircraft is a Spit16 or a pony
I'm not asking for a huge perk price, 1 or 2 perks is all i'm asking
Avanti
spit16 does everything good. not great. no need for perks for a plane that can be outflown when done correctly. P51 also has a few disadvantages and no severe advantages over other aircraft needing it to be perked either. If the 51D could turn like a 51B AND fly as well and fast as the 51B at alt AND have hispanos... Then it would need a perk...
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The P-51s are very forgiving rides. You can fly um like you stole um and the wings stay on. You can recover from all kinds of flying mishaps but you can't say the same for the Spit 14. The p-51 needs no perks.
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Actually no I didn't
I think both aircraft are too over used and the field should be leveled out,
Nearly every second aircraft is a Spit16 or a pony
I'm not asking for a huge perk price, 1 or 2 perks is all i'm asking
Avanti
Just because a plane is popular is not a valid reason to perk the plane unless it has been established that the popularity of the plane has a negative impact on the game play. Since the P-51D and the Spitfire Mk XVI do not negatively impact game play, there is no reason to have them perked just because you feel they are being over used.
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