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Title: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 08, 2011, 08:30:36 AM
Ill quote a wise man....."I don't know how many it would take, but I know how many they were gunna use..." -Ron White

Debrody and I were winging this morning getting ready for the scenario when we ran into a cluster F#!$ of red guys.....

Watch this video and see....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvVdHYtaoXA

Now my question's to you are.....Is it necessary to have 7-9 guys jumping one plane? How many should be needed? What makes people think they need to do this? and How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?


 :salute
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: infowars on January 08, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
Yeah that's pretty ghey.  Threes a crowd in my opinion. 
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Kazaa on January 08, 2011, 08:42:48 AM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: pervert on January 08, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
Its not a real ganging until you get 4 fps!  :lol
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: TwinBoom on January 08, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
Now my question's to you are.....Is it necessary to have 7-9 guys jumping one plane? How many should be needed? What makes people think they need to do this? and How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?
 :salute

Simple remove scoring system
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Beefcake on January 08, 2011, 08:56:45 AM
I think the Bish are just being efficient. It usually takes 40-50 to take a field being defended by 5 Knits, so only 9 Bish vs you is pretty good for them.  :D


All kidding aside this happens all the time and everyone does it. Like Kazaa said it's most likely you being the only target in the area and everyone wanting the kill. I've had people killshoot themselves trying to shoot the flaming carcass of my B25, it's funny as hell when it happens. Usually I enjoying getting the horde behind me as I'll try and drag them away from the field they're capping so friendly's can take off. It make's me feel good because I'm being "useful". :uhoh
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: The Fugitive on January 08, 2011, 09:00:16 AM
Simple remove scoring system

...either that or adjust the scoring system. It would most likely be a coading nightmare (but HT is soooooo good I'm sure he could do it with ease  :D ) but they could coad it so that if there is 1 or 2 guys after a lone guy you get full points, but as you add each additional guy in on the lone guy you split the points AND kill with everyone else with in 1k. The lone hunter, or winged pair would earn full points where "gangs" would earn only partial points.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: NormH3 on January 08, 2011, 09:01:49 AM
As a new guy, Im learning fast whats considered appropriate. If I see such a thing, I will usually hang back and watch....until I realize someone is on my six and Im dead. Its hard to stay out of such a fight when you are just itching for that first legitimate kill.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ACE on January 08, 2011, 09:05:14 AM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.
:aok
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: pervert on January 08, 2011, 09:07:41 AM
You don't need to remove scoring just switch on friendly collisons!  :devil
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: BillyD on January 08, 2011, 09:09:09 AM
            I got jumped by all of the Pigs last night @ A239 minus you and Krup LOL....... I mean the whole friggin crew..... I set a new record for overshoots and then Way plowed into me on the way to the garage. All in all I thought it was pretty funny trying to dodge 7 or 8 aircraft....... Can't let it get on top of ya.
 :D


Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: FLS on January 08, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
As a new guy, Im learning fast whats considered appropriate. If I see such a thing, I will usually hang back and watch....until I realize someone is on my six and Im dead. Its hard to stay out of such a fight when you are just itching for that first legitimate kill.

Just stick with what you personally think is appropriate and ignore the whiners. There will likely be somebody complaining about whatever you choose to do.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: jimson on January 08, 2011, 09:50:12 AM
There's no solution.

Everyone wants to shoot something down and if you are the only guy in a sea of red you are going to get engaged by a sea of red.

Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Slash27 on January 08, 2011, 09:58:07 AM
As a new guy, Im learning fast whats considered appropriate. If I see such a thing, I will usually hang back and watch....until I realize someone is on my six and Im dead. Its hard to stay out of such a fight when you are just itching for that first legitimate kill.
If some dummy flies in to a group of you and your buddies then he deserves what ever he gets. Shoot them all. Don't play this game worried too much about others opinions of you, just have some fun. :aok
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: uptown on January 08, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
This kind of thing has been going on since day one. The only real way to avoid it is to come in way above the mess and pick them off until you're out of advantages, and then get the hell out of there. At which time you'll be labeled a picker/runner/alt monkey  :rolleyes:.
I can't count the times I've been in the situation above and reverse on the hoard, just to be hoed by every single red guy flying by. Or out turn 2 or 3 spits, in a plane that's not supposed to do such a thing, only to have a high LA7 swoop in for the kill.
What I find funny is how everyone says (and rightly so), that DA lake is a cesspool. Well I see no difference in the video above and DA lake. It's the same thing.... just different terrain.
The game as a whole is nothing more than AirQuake. Plain and simple. The flight sim part of the game is between 20 and 30K.

The bottom line is nothing will change. The average subscriber will play along for 3,4 or 5 years until they get fed up with the whole thing and move on to something else.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 08, 2011, 10:34:41 AM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.

Haha, nice.

That's some funny soup right there Junky.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: StokesAk on January 08, 2011, 10:38:03 AM
 :rofl Funny vid Junky
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: usvi on January 08, 2011, 10:49:48 AM
           I got jumped by all of the Pigs last night @ A239 minus you and Krup LOL....... I mean the whole friggin crew..... I set a new record for overshoots and then Way plowed into me on the way to the garage. All in all I thought it was pretty funny trying to dodge 7 or 8 aircraft....... Can't let it get on top of ya.
 :D

You didn't see the signs?

(http://imway2fat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fat-chick-sign.jpg)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ImADot on January 08, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
...either that or adjust the scoring system. It would most likely be a coading nightmare (but HT is soooooo good I'm sure he could do it with ease  :D ) but they could coad it so that if there is 1 or 2 guys after a lone guy you get full points, but as you add each additional guy in on the lone guy you split the points AND kill with everyone else with in 1k. The lone hunter, or winged pair would earn full points where "gangs" would earn only partial points.

Absolutely bad idea...for those who play for rank and score. 

Pretend I'm one of the score/rank guys:
I'm fighting with a guy, a friendly ignores my "I'm good please stay out".  Then another, and another...soon I've got 5-6 "helpers" and now my hard-earned kill (if I'm even awarded the kill) is worth 1/6?  WTF?  How's that fair?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Scotch on January 08, 2011, 11:00:00 AM
How is it fair for you to stay in the fight when that many friendlies join in?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 08, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
...either that or adjust the scoring system. It would most likely be a coading nightmare (but HT is soooooo good I'm sure he could do it with ease  :D ) but they could coad it so that if there is 1 or 2 guys after a lone guy you get full points, but as you add each additional guy in on the lone guy you split the points AND kill with everyone else with in 1k. The lone hunter, or winged pair would earn full points where "gangs" would earn only partial points.

You are assuming they are all trying to kill him for score which is simply not true.  Most of those guys just want to record a kill.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ImADot on January 08, 2011, 11:21:55 AM
How is it fair for you to stay in the fight when that many friendlies join in?

 :rofl
Ok, next time I'm in a good fight and others jump in to "help" even when I call them off...I'll just fly away and do some sightseeing.  I guess you want the bullies to rule the playground.  "Hey, that one green guy seems to be having fun...let's gang that single con he's fighting and he'll just leave so we can have fun instead of him."
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Scotch on January 08, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
By staying in, how are you not becoming a bully yourself?

If the fight is your fun it has already been ruined. Why contribute to further ruining it for your opponent?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 08, 2011, 11:33:42 AM
Simple remove scoring system

I would be willing to bet that the guys in that horde all have fighter scores in the thousands. 

People don't do this because of score.  If they do, that's why they have a score in the thousands.  People do this because they have nothing else to shoot at, and because they suck.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: TinmanX on January 08, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
It's amazing the amount of times I get jumped, alone, by more than 5 guys. What's more amazing is the name of the guy who gets the kill. usually some 733t stick who you'd assume wouldn't need to gang so hard but quite obviously does.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: sky25 on January 08, 2011, 11:56:14 AM
How did this all end Junky? Did you get away? Looks like you were in deep #&$* when the film ended...
I agree this is a little extreme.. I did see your name on a people to kill list the other day. Maybe the mob attacking you thought there was a reward. LOL.
 :salute
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/Peopletokill.jpg

We get a free toaster oven anytime we kill a Pig...Thanks Waystin, I made toast on mine this morning... :salute

Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 08, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
How did this all end Junky? Did you get away? Looks like you were in deep #&$* when the film ended...
I agree this is a little extreme..

Well, let's examine the evidence.  We can throw all other evidence out except for the fact that the film ended with him staring out of the window of the tower, forlornly.  Well, that and I smelled bacon...
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Jayhawk on January 08, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
It'll stop happening when the whining about it stops being so dang funny... so I'm guessing no time soon.


Seriously though, as others have said, it's simply a matter of you being the only target in the area, seen it done with both red and green guys, it's not news.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: BaldEagl on January 08, 2011, 12:06:25 PM
You jumped into that sea of red alone and expected them to all stand off?   How long have you played this game?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Kazaa on January 08, 2011, 12:07:04 PM
I would be willing to bet that the guys in that horde all have fighter scores in the thousands. 

People don't do this because of score.  If they do, that's why they have a score in the thousands.  People do this because they have nothing else to shoot at, and because they suck.

Pretty much spot on, blood thirsty newb is blood thirsty.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: sky25 on January 08, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Well, let's examine the evidence.  We can throw all other evidence out except for the fact that the film ended with him staring out of the window of the tower, forlornly.  Well, that and I smelled bacon...

Your right Sunbat , I missed the tower part at the end... :salute
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Mongoose on January 08, 2011, 12:11:48 PM
Now my question's to you are.....Is it necessary to have 7-9 guys jumping one plane? How many should be needed? What makes people think they need to do this? and How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?


 :salute

  Just think of it this way:  All by yourself, you took 7-9 enemy fighters out of position.   :aok

  Think how long they had to fly to get back to the rest of their flight.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: The Fugitive on January 08, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
Absolutely bad idea...for those who play for rank and score. 

Pretend I'm one of the score/rank guys:
I'm fighting with a guy, a friendly ignores my "I'm good please stay out".  Then another, and another...soon I've got 5-6 "helpers" and now my hard-earned kill (if I'm even awarded the kill) is worth 1/6?  WTF?  How's that fair?

it would teach you to kill faster.

You are assuming they are all trying to kill him for score which is simply not true.  Most of those guys just want to record a kill.

They would only get a partial credit for a kill, the more guys on the one the smaller the bit of credit. Oh and the rest of the kill credit isn't spread amongst the other helpers, they still only get assists.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Ruah on January 08, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
may as well try to take 1 o two of them with you. . . or hit the deck and run.

I thought I saw a BRD at the end  there but you nosed up and got shot up. . .  was that an early 109?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Bronk on January 08, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
The only way the whine could have been better is if it were all brews in the film. :P
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 08, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
it would teach you to kill faster.

They would only get a partial credit for a kill, the more guys on the one the smaller the bit of credit. Oh and the rest of the kill credit isn't spread amongst the other helpers, they still only get assists.

That would be a detriment to business.

You have to give new players lots of carrots.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: bcadoo on January 08, 2011, 12:46:27 PM
You don't need to remove scoring just switch on friendly collisons!  :devil

Modify this to switch on Friendly Collision except within 400 yards of runway and it might work.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ImADot on January 08, 2011, 12:49:54 PM
I was about to hit "Post" but then erased what I was going to say...

What's the point in saying anything further.  *sigh*
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: lyric1 on January 08, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?


 :salute
I would say stop talking smack on 200 so people wont target a specific pilot type like your self. :aok

Oh & drop the other guys fighter hangers :bolt:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 08, 2011, 01:23:43 PM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.
I do consider myself a Rambo........
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 08, 2011, 01:26:48 PM
The only way the whine could have been better is if it were all brews in the film. :P
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 08, 2011, 01:30:16 PM
All seriousness me and Debrody got pushed down by some high rooks over this Bish field. Scared them off then we were trying to make a break but G6s can't do a whole lot with LAs and KI84s all over you. Not to mention that 190 coming from 20k right when  we started getting everyone else roped out. Just got caught in a bad spot and didn't get out.


I think a plane that has more then 3 people doing damage on it before it goes down...nobody should get the perks for killing that plane.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: TwinBoom on January 08, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
this thread is a waste of intardnet resources  :mad:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Spikes on January 08, 2011, 03:24:31 PM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.
lol.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 08, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
I was about to hit "Post" but then erased what I was going to say...

What's the point in saying anything further.  *sigh*

Ur post needs to be edited and u should be banned right now. If everyone finally gets the realization that there is no point to posting on this BBS, then it  will vanish and CAP1 will have no place to spam the AvA and may actually show up on our doorsteps with pamphlets. And Ack-Ack may actually have to get his aholedness out of his system in real life which would undoubtedly get him curb stomped and frequent visits to the ICU.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 08, 2011, 03:47:38 PM
Ur post needs to be edited and u should be banned right now. If everyone finally gets the realization that there is no point to posting on this BBS, then it  will vanish and CAP1 will have no place to spam the AvA and may actually show up on our doorsteps with pamphlets. And Ack-Ack may actually have to get his aholedness out of his system in real life which would undoubtedly get him curb stomped and frequent visits to the ICU.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Yenny on January 08, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Firstly -your plane's engine sounds like an alarm and makes my ears bleed.

Secondly - blame yourself for trying to defeat 7-9 guys without a single advantage. They looked like they had nothing else to shoot down in that sector until your came along rambo style.
:aok
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Guppy35 on January 08, 2011, 11:40:24 PM
Ill quote a wise man....."I don't know how many it would take, but I know how many they were gunna use..." -Ron White

Debrody and I were winging this morning getting ready for the scenario when we ran into a cluster F#!$ of red guys.....

Watch this video and see....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvVdHYtaoXA

Now my question's to you are.....Is it necessary to have 7-9 guys jumping one plane? How many should be needed? What makes people think they need to do this? and How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?
:salute

What it tells me JunkyII is you've come a long way :)

When I read this I had a flashback to a night probably a couple years back now where the PoW were the latest squad on the block and their numbers were large.  A few of us were trying to fight the horde made  up of PoW.  Asking the same question got all kinds of excuses for it and blaming those of us lower and smaller in number for our situation.

Nice to see the progression of a cartoon fighter pilot.  All you can hope is those guys will get there some day too :aok
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: VAMPIRE 2? on January 09, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
I agree with...someone who wrote earlier in this post, just turn ON friendly collisions... one thing I do practice  while flying is giving others wing room,  some of you may say "well what about newb evil doers who ....

actually forget I wrote, cause now where gonna get into kill shooter issues , and all that.    and what about only damaging the one doing the colliding? well hows the computer gonna tell who deliberately collided into  who? 


                         so to have friendly collisions, then friendly would have to be able to shoot friendlies.  and NO ONE is gonna go for that. see what this is? a loopty loop. its a game... DAMN

                                                                 :headscratch:             :airplane:            :joystick:             :furious      :salute     
VAMPIRE <S>
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 09, 2011, 10:40:16 PM
You are assuming they are all trying to kill him for score which is simply not true.  Most of those guys just want to record a kill.
I would be willing to bet that the guys in that horde all have fighter scores in the thousands. 

People don't do this because of score.  If they do, that's why they have a score in the thousands.  People do this because they have nothing else to shoot at, and because they suck.

QFT.

Solution Junky? 

Bring more friends.

Fighter sweep!


wrongway
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: W7LPNRICK on January 10, 2011, 01:09:14 AM
They shoukl be ashamed it took so long to kill you.   :x
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: CAP1 on January 10, 2011, 07:57:08 AM
Ur post needs to be edited and u should be banned right now. If everyone finally gets the realization that there is no point to posting on this BBS, then it  will vanish and CAP1 will have no place to spam the AvA and may actually show up on our doorsteps with pamphlets. And Ack-Ack may actually have to get his aholedness out of his system in real life which would undoubtedly get him curb stomped and frequent visits to the ICU.

actually, i do have other places to do so.  :devil a forum where most from here can't/won't hang.  :devil :aok :neener:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: skribetm on January 10, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
if you ended up w/ ten bad guys on your six then;

YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG JUNKY!!!!

Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Delirium on January 10, 2011, 11:11:51 AM
What always makes me laugh is the guy that runs from a fight he is starting to lose. Then adjusts just to attack the low P38 that is trying to be nice and is staying out of the fight. You can almost read their mind, 'I know I'm going to go back to the tower, but I want to take someone with me. Maybe he is afk.'
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JUGgler on January 10, 2011, 11:21:24 AM
What always makes me laugh is the guy that runs from a fight he is starting to lose. Then adjusts just to attack the low P38 that is trying to be nice and is staying out of the fight. You can almost read their mind, 'I know I'm going to go back to the tower, but I want to take someone with me. Maybe he is afk.'


The ones I enjoy are those who get to finnish their fight knownig full well the "other" red con stayed out only to go and pick that red con when he is now engaged with someone else  :)  This one is awesome  :aok


 :angel:



JUGgler
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Jayhawk on January 10, 2011, 11:26:23 AM
What always makes me laugh is the guy that runs from a fight he is starting to lose. Then adjusts just to attack the low P38 that is trying to be nice and is staying out of the fight. You can almost read their mind, 'I know I'm going to go back to the tower, but I want to take someone with me. Maybe he is afk.'


That was kind of a random post you apparently wanted to get out and figured this was the best... anyway, I'll address it.  :)

I can see a situation like you described in a slightly different light.  If I find myself in a situation where I'm beginning to lose the advantage in a fight, and I have the ability to extend from the fight whether to try and regain the advantage or just stay alive, I'll do it.  I'm not worried about score, I enjoy a good fight, and I'm not scared of dying in a cartoon plane, but I also enjoy playing with the objective of bringing my aircraft back home.  So if I'm in a situation where I'm loosing the advantage and there is a second con below me (how the heck and I suppose to know his intentions?)  I'll use my altitude advantage to keep the fight from becoming a 2v1 and possibly extend from that first con.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2011, 11:30:37 AM
That was kind of a random post you apparently wanted to get out and figured this was the best... anyway, I'll address it.  :)

I can see a situation like you described in a slightly different light.  If I find myself in a situation where I'm beginning to lose the advantage in a fight, and I have the ability to extend from the fight whether to try and regain the advantage or just stay alive, I'll do it.  I'm not worried about score, I enjoy a good fight, and I'm not scared of dying in a cartoon plane, but I also enjoy playing with the objective of bringing my aircraft back home.  So if I'm in a situation where I'm loosing the advantage and there is a second con below me (how the heck and I suppose to know his intentions?)  I'll use my altitude advantage to keep the fight from becoming a 2v1 and possibly extend from that first con.

 :cheers:

So your saying Del should jump in on you when you are fighting others. That staying out of the fray means nothing to you.


ummm ok :)


I have another that I see fairly often. Your in a fight with 4 or 5 cons. Every single one of them try to ho you. Finally you shoot back and the one you shot starts going on and on about you hoing.  :rofl
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 10, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
So your saying Del should jump in on you when you are fighting others. That staying out of the fray means nothing to you.


ummm ok :)

Oh, here we go Shufflah getting all high and mighty again, let us pull some 'foot in mouth' footage from the Muppet shade archive!  :rofl
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Changeup on January 10, 2011, 02:17:05 PM
           I got jumped by all of the Pigs last night @ A239 minus you and Krup LOL....... I mean the whole friggin crew..... I set a new record for overshoots and then Way plowed into me on the way to the garage. All in all I thought it was pretty funny trying to dodge 7 or 8 aircraft....... Can't let it get on top of ya.
 :D


Ah HUM....I didn't overshoot.  In the crew? Yes.  Overshoot, No.  lol
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 10, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
Hell. Thats how about 75% of my flights end up.

Welcome to my world LMAO
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 10, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
As a new guy, Im learning fast whats considered appropriate. If I see such a thing, I will usually hang back and watch....until I realize someone is on my six and Im dead. Its hard to stay out of such a fight when you are just itching for that first legitimate kill.

Your part right. What ya gotta do is hang back. Watch your countryman chase after the target following move for move like a school if fish where what the target is doing instead of heading to where the target is going like they should be. THEN you swoop in at the last second and steal the kill from all of em.

 :D
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 10, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Junky, Why didnt you just go into a sudden climb and then suddenly do a split S and drive half of em into the ground trying to follow you?

I got 5 suckers to go splat last night doing that.

By the time the rest recover and turn around you should be well out of guns range
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Jayhawk on January 10, 2011, 03:03:41 PM
So your saying Del should jump in on you when you are fighting others. That staying out of the fray means nothing to you.


ummm ok :)


Every situation is different and I can't speak for each situation.  If I see a 1v1 out in the open, I try to ask if he would like me to stay out.  Generally, if he asks for me to stay out, I'll try to move at least 6.0k away to make it a fair fight.  Even if I know I'm not getting involved, if I'm still hanging around, that enemy con still has to watch me .  If I get no reply, I'll probably stick around and establish myself in a high advantage situation and make my move if needed.  

I just think it's another situation where one player thinks his game-play style is the right way while the other players may not agree.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Guppy35 on January 10, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Junky, Why didnt you just go into a sudden climb and then suddenly do a split S and drive half of em into the ground trying to follow you?

I got 5 suckers to go splat last night doing that.

By the time the rest recover and turn around you should be well out of guns range

Last time I flew in my first two flights I got three that way and another guy rammed me and died.  I hadn't fired a shot, but the attraction of an in the weeds 38G was too much to pass up for them.  They apparently didn't know how low I really was :)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 10, 2011, 03:52:30 PM
I don't trust myself doing a split s that low...trees own me
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2011, 04:06:52 PM
Oh, here we go Shufflah getting all high and mighty again, let us pull some 'foot in mouth' footage from the Muppet shade archive!  :rofl

Probably just seems high and mighty from your viewpoint.

Got my boots on as usual.... continue.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: uptown on January 10, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
Muppets have shades!? Tell me it ain't so!@
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2011, 04:10:19 PM
Every situation is different and I can't speak for each situation.  If I see a 1v1 out in the open, I try to ask if he would like me to stay out.  Generally, if he asks for me to stay out, I'll try to move at least 6.0k away to make it a fair fight.  Even if I know I'm not getting involved, if I'm still hanging around, that enemy con still has to watch me .  If I get no reply, I'll probably stick around and establish myself in a high advantage situation and make my move if needed.  

I just think it's another situation where one player thinks his game-play style is the right way while the other players may not agree.

I don't think he was wanting you to play his way.... I believe he was wondering if he should play your way.

Both sides are valid. Just different.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Vudu15 on January 10, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
I knew that tracking device was worth the money, (evil laugh) Junky never saw em till they were coverin his rearview mirror.  :banana:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 10, 2011, 04:28:27 PM
this is something that has been around since the beginning and no matter how much one whines about it, it will never go away.  Some people like to take the path of least resistance.

ack-ack
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 10, 2011, 05:15:46 PM
Probably just seems high and mighty from your viewpoint.

Got my boots on as usual.... continue.

It should seem high and mighty to anybody who has ever had their 1v1 picked by you, which is an alarmingly high number for how much you talk.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Changeup on January 10, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
It should seem high and mighty to anybody who has ever had their 1v1 picked by you, which is an alarmingly high number for how much you talk.

Popcorn anyone? 
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 10, 2011, 06:27:48 PM
I knew that tracking device was worth the money, (evil laugh) Junky never saw em till they were coverin his rearview mirror.  :banana:
:D It did seem like all the enemy planes on the map converged on me....rook and bish :cry

Popcorn anyone? 
Nah thats a quick fight....Ill just take skittles :devil
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: bj229r on January 10, 2011, 06:36:13 PM
All seriousness me and Debrody got pushed down by some high rooks over this Bish field. Scared them off then we were trying to make a break but G6s can't do a whole lot with LAs and KI84s all over you. Not to mention that 190 coming from 20k right when  we started getting everyone else roped out. Just got caught in a bad spot and didn't get out.


I think a plane that has more then 3 people doing damage on it before it goes down...nobody should get the perks for killing that plane.
Hmmm...I'll remember that the next time a dozen Pigs are beating me up like a red-headed stepchild :P
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 10, 2011, 06:38:50 PM
Hmmm...I'll remember that the next time a dozen Pigs are beating me up like a red-headed stepchild :P
Yea? Don't think I have ever come across you before...they can do whatever they want, doesn't mean I agree with it.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Tarstar on January 10, 2011, 06:41:39 PM
Popcorn anyone? 

Yes please.. Got any butter?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Guppy35 on January 10, 2011, 10:15:12 PM
It should seem high and mighty to anybody who has ever had their 1v1 picked by you, which is an alarmingly high number for how much you talk.

LOL, he got ya with tiny bait too.  Gotta be less predictable Grizz :)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 10, 2011, 10:17:57 PM
LOL, he got ya with tiny bait too.  Gotta be less predictable Grizz :)

Next time he "trolls me", I'm going to post about 5 films of him flying like a hypocrite.  K? K.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Guppy35 on January 10, 2011, 10:21:08 PM
Next time he "trolls me", I'm going to post about 5 films of him flying like a hypocrite.  K? K.

LOL let it go Grizz, let it go!  You were doing so well for a while there too :)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Changeup on January 10, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
Hmmm...I'll remember that the next time a dozen Pigs are beating me up like a red-headed stepchild :P
You keep saying that...I haven't killed you lately.  I think you have Pig desires...lol
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: CAP1 on January 10, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
ya know? tonight there were 40 people on a very small(and awesome) map in the ava. know what there was none of? no ganging.  :devil
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: bj229r on January 11, 2011, 06:31:52 AM
You keep saying that...I haven't killed you lately.  I think you have Pig desires...lol
Heh, I usually avoid the Nit side of the map, maybe it's only my perception, but the Nits far more often seem to be concentrated in unassailable packs than do Bish, and I'm more often than not flying a midwar plane with no wingies. Alas, I'll not be flying much of anywhere this month, RL intrudes
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: NormH3 on January 11, 2011, 07:51:36 AM
ya know? tonight there were 40 people on a very small(and awesome) map in the ava. know what there was none of? no ganging.  :devil

shameless plug  :aok
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: CAP1 on January 11, 2011, 08:07:01 AM
shameless plug  :aok

of course.  :devil

after all, i AM the official AvA spammer :cheers:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Dichotomy on January 11, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
I've got to up my game ;)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: LCADolby on January 11, 2011, 10:10:01 AM
 :lol Gotta love the Bish, they'll chase anything. They are the ultimate example in overkill.

That whole film i was;

"Run Forest!... RRRUUUUUUNNNNN!!!"
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 11, 2011, 07:05:55 PM
I don't trust myself doing a split s that low...trees own me

You havent mastered the low alt split S?
Wow. I kinda find that surprising
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 11, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
You havent mastered the low alt split S?
Wow. I kinda find that surprising
I can do a split S...but Id rather try to rope them all....would have too if that N1K didn't lag pursuit like a mothaFer
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ink on January 12, 2011, 01:26:34 PM
I cant watch the film.....but from the discription it sounded like a good time, 7to9 guys trying to kill ya,  hell ive had over 15 tring to kill me at one time, and more coming in, target rich baby....:-)    thats my kinda fight. What I live for in game, 99% of my sorties are like that haha, learn to shoot and merge better one day youll kill em all ;-)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 12, 2011, 01:52:22 PM
I cant watch the film.....but from the discription it sounded like a good time, 7to9 guys trying to kill ya,  hell ive had over 15 tring to kill me at one time, and more coming in, target rich baby....:-)    thats my kinda fight. What I live for in game, 99% of my sorties are like that haha, learn to shoot and merge better one day youll kill em all ;-)
ink you trying to troll me?.. :devil...you might have to show me how to merge in the DA.......see if yours work better...
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 12, 2011, 01:53:22 PM
I cant watch the film.....but from the discription it sounded like a good time, 7to9 guys trying to kill ya,  hell ive had over 15 tring to kill me at one time, and more coming in, target rich baby....:-)    thats my kinda fight. What I live for in game, 99% of my sorties are like that haha, learn to shoot and merge better one day youll kill em all ;-)
ink you trying to troll me?.. :devil...you might have to show me how to merge in the DA.......see if yours work better...
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: LLogann on January 12, 2011, 02:01:08 PM


Now my question's to you are.....Is it necessary to have 7-9 guys jumping one plane? How many should be needed? What makes people think they need to do this? and How can we stop such douchbaggery from happening in this game?


 :salute

(http://www.bright.nl/upload/06/05/060504-mine-mine.jpg)
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ink on January 12, 2011, 02:02:53 PM
Would love to......hopefully soon ill be able to.....;-)   no I wassnt trollin ya or implying you cant merge,  but fighting many cons like that will sharpen your merge, not YOU just anyone who always fights multi cons, will get better faster then the guy who is always in the green hourd.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 12, 2011, 05:02:28 PM
Would love to......hopefully soon ill be able to.....;-)   no I wassnt trollin ya or implying you cant merge,  but fighting many cons like that will sharpen your merge, not YOU just anyone who always fights multi cons, will get better faster then the guy who is always in the green hourd.
ah completely agree
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SQUAT! on January 13, 2011, 04:46:10 AM
Simple solution. Turn off kill shooter. At least then they will be more organized cause they wont want to get shot down by a green guy
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Jayhawk on January 13, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Simple solution. Turn off kill shooter. At least then they will be more organized cause they wont want to get shot down by a green guy

This won't work, whenever I find one of these conga lines materialize around me, I get the heck out of there so I don't end up shooting the guy who appears under my nose and I go down.  It wouldn't be very long before that guy in the back starts clearing his way to the front, what's 6 greens guys matter if you can get the one red guy!?  :banana:
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ImADot on January 13, 2011, 12:07:14 PM
Simple solution. Turn off kill shooter. At least then they will be more organized cause they wont want to get shot down by a green guy

"Take the shot or I'll help you get out of the way..."   :D
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ROX on January 15, 2011, 01:33:09 PM
Junky...

Yes, they were wasting resources and you forced them to do it.

You forced 10-12 of them to divert from whatever they were on their way to do they were box-o-rocks stupid enough to follow you---totally forsaking the task they had originally set out to do.  Personally?  WTFG Junky! 

When our side is getting hoarded I intentionally take a gv to a nearby enemy base and drive it as fast as I can to get both base & town (or just base for port/gv base) blinking.  A nearby base to where they upped from (but NOT the base they upped to hoard from) and they see it blinking right away.  I find a nice comfy long barn to hide in and sure as heck--here they come--3 to 5 at least and I've had as many as 10 up with eggs to hopefully get the easy bomb**** kill.  Most of those guys were in the hoard but now they are flying around crazily trying to find the threat at their base.  Whatever takes away resources from the hoard helps.  Get 3 or 4 other bases blinking and watch the hoard dwindle as they go absolutely bat-guano tring to find all the threats and hopefully get the easy kill.  Phreeking HILARIOUS.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: rvflyer on January 15, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
I don't trust myself doing a split s that low...trees own me

 :airplane: Before rolling inverted are you closing the throttle? Slowing down a bit means a whole lot less
altitude loss.

You probably know this but just asking.......................
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: JunkyII on January 16, 2011, 08:13:54 AM
:airplane: Before rolling inverted are you closing the throttle? Slowing down a bit means a whole lot less
altitude loss.

You probably know this but just asking.......................
Yes
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 16, 2011, 08:33:22 AM
When our side is getting hoarded I intentionally take a gv to a nearby enemy base and drive it as fast as I can to get both base & town (or just base for port/gv base) blinking.  A nearby base to where they upped from (but NOT the base they upped to hoard from) and they see it blinking right away.  I find a nice comfy long barn to hide in and sure as heck--here they come--3 to 5 at least and I've had as many as 10 up with eggs to hopefully get the easy bomber kill.  Most of those guys were in the hoard but now they are flying around crazily trying to find the threat at their base.  Whatever takes away resources from the hoard helps.  Get 3 or 4 other bases blinking and watch the hoard dwindle as they go absolutely bat-guano tring to find all the threats and hopefully get the easy kill.  Phreeking HILARIOUS.

I would rather spend $14.95 every month on a new Chinese made Mother of Pearl pocket knife and sit on the front porch and wittle sharp points onto sticks to slowly poke in my eyes. 

I bet you were one of those kids that ran around the block over and over again smacking the wooden wheel with a stick. All the parents of the other kids would say, "Look at little ROX, he only has one toy and he is happy. I don't know why you can't be happy with just one simple toy like that. No more toys for you, be more like ROX and have fun doing nothing."
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 16, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
I would rather spend $14.95 every month on a new Chinese made Mother of Pearl pocket knife and sit on the front porch and wittle sharp points onto sticks to slowly poke in my eyes. 

I bet you were one of those kids that ran around the block over and over again smacking the wooden wheel with a stick. All the parents of the other kids would say, "Look at little ROX, he only has one toy and he is happy. I don't know why you can't be happy with just one simple toy like that. No more toys for you, be more like ROX and have fun doing nothing."

LOL
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ROX on January 16, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Not sure how long it will take...

Might take a couple of years, might be 5 to 10 years...

But eventually you will figure out the multiple strategies in this game besides being bowed up in a ME-163 all day.
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: grizz441 on January 16, 2011, 11:37:09 AM
Not sure how long it will take...

Might take a couple of years, might be 5 to 10 years...

But eventually you will figure out the multiple strategies in this game besides being bowed up in a ME-163 all day.

I'll start caring about strategy once Hitech Creations does something creative to engage me in strategy.  Right now, it's dull and pointless aside from the casual base taking mission out of boredom.  I fly to kill bad guys because it's fun, and that's why I play the game, to have fun.  Sitting in a barn is not fun.  Make cents?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: Tarstar on January 16, 2011, 11:37:51 AM
(http://www.bright.nl/upload/06/05/060504-mine-mine.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: oTRALFZo on January 16, 2011, 12:05:19 PM
What I see alot more of now a days is that one con is less likely to engage and end up spending more time draggin you to ack or will never turn back to fight unless he has 5 freindlies nearby. COUGH COUGH.."Sevnty" COUGH.

I dont mind being picked, its part of the game and why we have wingmen, but what cracks me up are the warriors that run even when they have the #s advantage. Seems ego maniacs find shame in being in the tower, when in fact we all gotta die our cartoon death at some point, why not go out at least with a dance?
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ink on January 16, 2011, 12:15:49 PM
lol    I cant fly online so Ive been going through old films......WOW......I cannot believe the stuff people do to avoid a fight, one particular flight I was in a KI84 went 1vs1 with a 16 he had all the advantages alt,speed,position,    I get in behind him after 3 turns miss my shots, he goes straight down and runs, I follow, I see a few of his friendlies so I vectore to them and start a fight with them, here I am fighting 3 of his friendlies guess who comes in and picks me......lol        does not matter to me I miss the game, feel like a crack head(the game) with a pipe sitting right there(my system) and nothin to put in it(internet)........aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggg hhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 16, 2011, 02:33:13 PM
Not sure how long it will take...

Might take a couple of years, might be 5 to 10 years...

But eventually you will figure out the multiple strategies in this game besides being bowed up in a ME-163 all day.

It took about 30 minutes 5 years ago to realize that the strategy in the war winning part of this game is simplistic, shallow, and boring.  You yourself gave an example in this very thread of what you consider to be playing with strategy and it's horribly boring.

Sometimes after a fun night of AH, as I am laying my head on my wee little pillow, I think back on some of the fights I had that night and the great moves that were used against me and the great shots that I died to and the great moves and shots I was fortunate enough to make. I have a warm feeling of satisfaction as my last conscious thoughts of the day are tater splashes on Ponys and Spitfires falling to pieces.

You fade off to sleep with visions of a flashing base on a cartoon map. You go girl!
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ink on January 16, 2011, 03:02:42 PM
lol
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: ROX on January 16, 2011, 04:39:30 PM
Anything that forces the enemy to waste resources away from the hoard to feel compelled to check out the blinking base IS a strategy to make a side waste resources that could be better used elsewhere.

Prime military example: 

Ike & Beedle Smith formed up an entire fake army--allegedly under Patton, from Ramsgate to Hastings with dummy landing craft, fake radio traffic, etc...in our game, Pas de Calais was "blinking".  Hitler and the German General Staff were convinced the attack would be at Pas de Calais and dedicated (wasted) a lot of resources there as a result.  This hurt them in Normandy after D-Day when Hitler refused to relocate the resources until it was too late.  Forcing a side to waste resources helps your side.

On many occasions General Lee would send Jeb Stewart's cavalry in a feignt in on one part of the front--forcing Union Forces to waste resources to investigate--taking vital resources away from another part of the front--and Lee would attack that weak part of the front.

No different in our game and JunkyII did an excellent job at it--forcing NME resources to waste guys chasing him and breaking away from the attacking hoard. 

Go in with a gv and make a base blink and the enemy has no clue if it's one guy in an M8 or 30 guys in a gv mission...feeling compelled to up (waste) resources to investigate when they would most likely still be in the hoard.

This has nothing in-game with "winning the war", I haven't seen a side win a big map in over a year. 

It has everything to do with duping the enemy into wasting resources.   :D
Title: Re: This seems like a waste of resources....
Post by: SunBat on January 16, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
ROX,

Believe it or not I was able to get my head around your stategy the first time you explained it. It's simplistic and boring. That's my point.  I'm not arguing whether or not what u did is a viable strategy.

I graduated from the stategy of the game 'go fish' when I was four months old (see sig for explanation) because the stategy is simple it therefore becomes boring even for a four month old SunBat. The same is true with the war part of the strategy in this game. Sorry. It's true.