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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CAP1 on January 28, 2011, 09:17:24 PM
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got my trackir 5 the other day. it came by ups.
i ordered the pro clip, and they sent both the pro clip, and the little metal thingie that goes on a hat.
i think they've modified the pro clip, as mine had to be partially assembled when i took it out of the package. the part that sticks down out of the clip itself is on a pivot now. it just snaps in. the part some of you mentioned as a weak point also is a pivot now too.
the extra wire thing was going to be a bit of a problem. i temporarily solved that with bread ties. tomorrow i'll bring home some vacuum hose, and place both wires together in this. i tried it on the headset, and can't even feel it there.
the camera thing that mounts on the monitor is smaller than i expected. i don't much like the base, as it angles the camera down, and the base legs do not adjust enough to securly fasten it to my monitor(acer C223W). i will be fixing this also with vacuum tubing.
im too tire to download and install the software tonight, so tomorrow night i'll do that, and update this. i'll also bring my old digital camera home and snap a picture of what i was talking about with the pivot points on the pro clip.
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got my trackir 5 the other day. it came by ups.
i ordered the pro clip, and they sent both the pro clip, and the little metal thingie that goes on a hat.
i think they've modified the pro clip, as mine had to be partially assembled when i took it out of the package. the part that sticks down out of the clip itself is on a pivot now. it just snaps in. the part some of you mentioned as a weak point also is a pivot now too.
the extra wire thing was going to be a bit of a problem. i temporarily solved that with bread ties. tomorrow i'll bring home some vacuum hose, and place both wires together in this. i tried it on the headset, and can't even feel it there.
the camera thing that mounts on the monitor is smaller than i expected. i don't much like the base, as it angles the camera down, and the base legs do not adjust enough to securly fasten it to my monitor(acer C223W). i will be fixing this also with vacuum tubing.
im too tire to download and install the software tonight, so tomorrow night i'll do that, and update this. i'll also bring my old digital camera home and snap a picture of what i was talking about with the pivot points on the pro clip.
So, this isthe first time using the track IR? If so, give it time to get used to it.
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Interesting, my trackir4 sensor fits on my acer x223w nicely. What the hell did they change on the mount?
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don't forget your airsickness bag the first few hops
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don't forget your airsickness bag the first few hops
Real men just puke a little (if at all) and swallow it back down. :neener:
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I took 3 years off. Thought I would try hat switches when i came back and save the $160... WRONG! It took me a week before I had a TrackIR 5 on top of my monitor. I cannot fly without it anymore... some may argue i still can't fly with it...
Try playing with the settings or, if you want, zip off an email address and I can send you my profile. Tweaking it does make it better.
<S>
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Track ir is fun :banana:
Read the instructions and try different setups :banana:
I have a telescopic attachment that came with Dremil type tool to hang my headphones etc on when i am not playing, it keeps everything safe and out of harms way :old:
Very important do not drink booze while getting used to trackir unless you have a sense of humour :old:
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Im not sure I understand the advantage of TRAKIP in combat. You certainly cant look behind you and se whats on the monitor :headscratch:
(i guess i need to see a demo movie or sumthin)
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(i guess i need to see a demo movie or sumthin)
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYPGdyz0Lws&playnext=1&list=PL232CD714DF7BC910 and you will see how it works. Your head movements are scaled, so looking 10° to the side may translate to 10°, 30° or even 180° in game.
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watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYPGdyz0Lws&playnext=1&list=PL232CD714DF7BC910 and you will see how it works. Your head movements are scaled, so looking 10° to the side may translate to 10°, 30° or even 180° in game.
How is it going with hatview ever since you drowned your TrackIR?
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watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYPGdyz0Lws&playnext=1&list=PL232CD714DF7BC910 and you will see how it works. Your head movements are scaled, so looking 10° to the side may translate to 10°, 30° or even 180° in game.
thanks..explains a lot.
Dear Santa...
today I saw these neat thing for flying cartoon airplanes...
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I think theres one for sale on the cheap in 'classifieds' Norm
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Or you can build your own relatively cheaply (under $10 in most cases) using stuff from RadioShack and free software off the internets.
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I tried it. It was fun in the WWI arena, but I just couldn't get it to work properly for the 6 view in WWII. ESPECIALLY in the F4U!
It was completely agravating. I felt my SA was cut in half in WWII because what was going on behind me was far, far harder to check vs. the view keys.
Trying to swich back and forth from keys and trackir in combat was disorienting. :furious
Wab
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the wabbit is right........if you fly bloooo planes then your rear views will be deleted agin what you can achieve with fixed view setups. So I dont fly blooo planes
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How is it going with hatview ever since you drowned your TrackIR?
Luckily I had only to cope with hat view for about 10 days. I was finally able to get it back working after several cylces of cleaning with Isopropyl alcohol and letting it dry.
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I tried it. It was fun in the WWI arena, but I just couldn't get it to work properly for the 6 view in WWII. ESPECIALLY in the F4U!
It was completely agravating. I felt my SA was cut in half in WWII because what was going on behind me was far, far harder to check vs. the view keys.
It's far more easier for me, thanks to being able to look back either left or right around the headrest.
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Luckily I had only to cope with hat view for about 10 days. I was finally able to get it back working after several cylces of cleaning with Isopropyl alcohol and letting it dry.
Excellent! :aok
Though it would have been interesting to know, if it's poosible to get back to - and be happy - with hat view again.
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the wabbit is right........if you fly bloooo planes then your rear views will be deleted agin what you can achieve with fixed view setups. So I dont fly blooo planes
I THOUGHT someone posted that you can set it up to use a button for that rear view, and then the trackir for the rest?
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Excellent! :aok
Though it would have been interesting to know, if it's poosible to get back to - and be happy - with hat view again.
Only thing I can say: After flying with hatview for years it took me 1 day to get used to TrackIR and one week to get the "perfect setting". After 5 years with TrackIR, even after one week of trying really hard to get back to hatviews (DA, TA) it still sucked massively. Cockpit frame bars obstructing views all the time, horrible rear views, game feeling "2-dimensional", very diffcult to keep enemy con in view while maneuvering (using buttons/keystrokes to view feels totally unatural, it's like playing piano while flying :lol)
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Only thing I can say: After flying with hatview for years it took me 1 day to get used to TrackIR and one week to get the "perfect setting". After 5 years with TrackIR, even after one week of trying really hard to get back to hatviews (DA, TA) it still sucked massively. Cockpit frame bars obstructing views all the time, horrible rear views, game feeling "2-dimensional", very diffcult to keep enemy con in view while maneuvering (using buttons/keystrokes to view feels totally unatural, it's like playing piano while flying :lol)
i'll probably take the cheesy way out . gonna d/l the software tonight, and mess with it a lil offline. if i can't get it to where i'm happy, i'll be posting and begging for others setups.
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i have my X52 set up to where i can use trackir or press a button and turn it off to use the hat views in some cases
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mate, you`l love it
just go with how its set up for a little then give it a tweek when you understand it a bit
1/2 hr of it on you will never look bk
I got mine a few months ago from a generous squaddie
and never looked back...(pun intended)
to look back i find it easier to move forward while looking back, around
its intuitive to fly with
enjoy
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mate, you`l love it
just go with how its set up for a little then give it a tweek when you understand it a bit
1/2 hr of it on you will never look bk
I got mine a few months ago from a generous squaddie
and never looked back...(pun intended)
to look back i find it easier to move forward while looking back, around
its intuitive to fly with
enjoy
2 things convinced me to finally pony up the money.
first....this film......
http://www.avaarena.org/videooftheweek.htm
secondly, i find that in low alt fights, without the icons, if the bad guy can get me toggling views too often, i seem to lose him that way. i figure with this, i may still suck, but at least i'll still see him. :devil
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i'll probably take the cheesy way out . gonna d/l the software tonight, and mess with it a lil offline. if i can't get it to where i'm happy, i'll be posting and begging for others setups.
got a couple I can send ya bro
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the wabbit is right........if you fly bloooo planes then your rear views will be deleted agin what you can achieve with fixed view setups. So I dont fly blooo planes
I fly blue planes, specifically the F4U and don't have a problem using trackir with them. I don't use the hat views at all in AH, don't even have them mapped. :joystick:
I found I like a very aggresive profile so that it takes very little movement of my head to look around. I have a small dead zone then almost straight up, I also turned roll off.
I've found that I'm so use to trackir I sometimes find myself trying to move around web pages and such by moving my head. :confused:
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Cap if you make your own profile give yourself some deadband for the forward view so you can move your head a little without your view changing.
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Cap- My advice is, spend the time tweaking it. I believe it's the single most personal thing to set up for a game like this, even moreso than how you have your buttons mapped on your stick. The software is universally adjustable, so use it to get it just how you want it. It will pay off.
TrackIR is funny, people either love it or hate it. I can't live without it, I have squaddies who can't use it at all.
What FLS mentioned about the deadband works well for me as well. I have about a 3/4 inch diameter sphere where if my head is there, it doesn't move at all. That doesn't sound like a lot of room, but it's enough, once you get used to it. Also, don't be afraid to recenter the TIR (f12) if you shift positions slightly in your chair and it's suddenly off kilter.
Wiley.
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You going to be flying tonight coyote boy?
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ok....here's a pic.
note where the arrows are. the arrow on the right, is where the set was disassembled when i got it. it was just a simple "snap" fit. there is as you can see an "O" ring at each fitting. these fittings are both pivots. i'd imagine this was/is to correct the weakness mentioned before.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/trackir.jpg)
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Grizz- Sorry, nope. Family in town from far away, can't really politely set them aside to fly. ;) Will probably be around tomorrow though.
CAP- That's exactly how mine is built as well. If it gets bent too hard, it just comes apart at the pivot point. I'd be slightly concerned about the pieces holding it in eventually breaking if it happens too often, but I haven't had a problem with mine yet, had it for a couple years I guess.
Wiley.
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Grizz- Sorry, nope. Family in town from far away, can't really politely set them aside to fly. ;) Will probably be around tomorrow though.
CAP- That's exactly how mine is built as well. If it gets bent too hard, it just comes apart at the pivot point. I'd be slightly concerned about the pieces holding it in eventually breaking if it happens too often, but I haven't had a problem with mine yet, had it for a couple years I guess.
Wiley.
to me, the design looks good. i think that if this spot is indeed a weak point, i'd be more inclined to look at the type of plastic they're molding this out of.
i just messed around with it a lil offline tonight. made a few adjustments, and went from not sensitive enough, to way over sensitive........i think i'm gonna like it though.
i tried maneuvering around the drones, and so far, no motion sickness either....but then i've never been one to get that.
just outta curiousity....anyone got any suggestions on settings?
and dicho........thank you for the advice sir!!!! you're a lifesaver.
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I like to have it so it only takes about an inch to move my head all the way to the sides, and to turn my head 180 to the back, I only have to turn my head so it moves my nose about 3/4 of an inch. I don't move my head up and down or forward/back at all, and I have enough deadband so I don't really have to work at keeping my head centered for gunnery.
Wiley.
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I like to have it so it only takes about an inch to move my head all the way to the sides, and to turn my head 180 to the back, I only have to turn my head so it moves my nose about 3/4 of an inch. I don't move my head up and down or forward/back at all, and I have enough deadband so I don't really have to work at keeping my head centered for gunnery.
Wiley.
ok...a few questions on this.
1) if i set it to get my 180 view that fast, then things move waaay too fast, even just flying with the drones. i have the "smooth" option set all the way to 50, but that doesn't seem to help my straight ahead view too much.
2)how do i set it so i can have the views i'm looking for, without moving so fast? i'm messing with the bar sliders that resemble our stick scaling system.....but like i said...i keep losing drones, and i can't center for a shot. i set one of my throttle buttons to center, but even with the big deadzone, it almost instantly goes off kilter.
3)how do you keep eyes on the con if you don't move your head up?
any other advice anyone can give on setting this thing up would be greatly appreciated.
thanks!!
almost forgot....i'm using the trackir5 with the proclip, and i downloaded and installed version 5.1 beta 3
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Want me to send you my track ir profile? You may have to remap some buttons as I have pause and center mapped.
Plus its a track ir 4.0 profile, but should automatically become a 5 once you use it.
Lemme know,
Wurzel
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Want me to send you my track ir profile? You may have to remap some buttons as I have pause and center mapped.
Plus its a track ir 4.0 profile, but should automatically become a 5 once you use it.
Lemme know,
Wurzel
if you don't mind, that would be awesomeness sir!! i'm just trying to get to the point of tracking drones...then i'll come baqck online, and get my buttocks handed to me. :aok
the only one i've mapped so far, is the center. what's pause do? does it temp. kill trackir?
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Yup, it pauses it, you then have to recenter, as mine pauses it wherever I happen to be looking at that time.
Pm me yer email bud, and I'll sling it your way.
Wurzel
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and dicho........thank you for the advice sir!!!! you're a lifesaver.
My pleasure brother <S>
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couple more observations.
the stand thingie that mounts the camera forces the camera to be angled down. this messes up some of the movements. i had to prop mine to level. i also noted that in the upper right corner of the screen where you can set your views......it shows where the camera sees the clip. i had to move the camera some to center these,.....both vertically and horizontally.
wurzel shot me his profile, which i like, except that when i try looking up, the camera loses view of the clip.....i modified that slightly. doing better against the drones now.
i also found one that homeboy did......do a search for dentins profile.
i'm gonna try to be online tonight to see how i do.
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You should be able to adjust the camera's angle with gentle pressure; it should tilt and twist a little. There's no reason why you can't have the base solid on your monitor and the camera pointing to where you get a good view of the clip's emitters.
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You should be able to adjust the camera's angle with gentle pressure; it should tilt and twist a little. There's no reason why you can't have the base solid on your monitor and the camera pointing to where you get a good view of the clip's emitters.
it's one solid piece. i looked really close with my "old guy" glasses even.
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ok....here's a pic.
note where the arrows are. the arrow on the right, is where the set was disassembled when i got it. it was just a simple "snap" fit. there is as you can see an "O" ring at each fitting. these fittings are both pivots. i'd imagine this was/is to correct the weakness mentioned before.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/trackir.jpg)
same set up as mine it broke within a month, it just got moved the wrong way while it wasn't being used, it seems real brittle but i used machined screws and a couple star washers it actual works better than new and much sturdier
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Also Cap, I don't know if you know this or not but you can change the center point where your head sits in the planes now, as of a few patches ago. You pause the trackir, then move your head position where you want it, then f10 to save the head position, unpause the TIR, and look around to check your views. Once you get a good center point, then you can start messing with the profile curves a bit more to get exactly what you want. Getting it all tweaked out just right will take you some time as it's an extremely personal setup, like some others have said. Once you start getting close to what you're looking for exactly, then just start tweaking one axis at a time till you get where you want. That way you're eliminating variables as you progress. I have the roll axis turned off in my profile, I started out with it and eventually came to think that not only did it not add anything, but that it actually detracted some from my getting good views. Just something to consider.
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I think theres one for sale on the cheap in 'classifieds' Norm
thanks for the headsup, but I have some personal things to take care of before I can buy any more toys.
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i flew a few in the ava last night. thanks to wurzel for the profile!! i had to tweak it a lil....mostly for looking up, and for the side to side movement, as looking up, my camera was losing vis on the clip....and side to side, i had to move too much i think to see around the headrest.
it's a whole different ballgame trying to track an enemy with this. i kept losing the ki's immediately after the merge. i also had trouble tracking a con behind me, so it was a bit hard to know which way to turn to dodge them.
even with these difficulties, i can tell that going through this crap and feeling like a noob all over again will be more than worth it in the long run.
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CAP,
Track IR set up Tips.
I find in the AH Options>preferences>View menu, uncheck everything EXCEPT "TrackIr object relative move". Selecting this helps with looking backwards. How? because it reverses the action of the fore-aft, and side-to-side axes when your virtual head is looking backwards.
Without the box checked: you turn to look behind you and if the seat is too close, you move your [real] head [towards the monitor] and your virtual head gets closer to the seat cushion.
With the Box Check: you turn to look behind you and if the seat is too close, you move your [real] head [towards the monitor] and your virtual head gets closer to the gun sight, Farther from the back of the seat. I find this more intuitive because your brain thinks it needs to move away from the back of you chair to move away from the back of your virtual seat in the game.
Other tipsTips :
Camera seees like a cone that gets wide the farther you get away from it. Have to camera at least an arms length away from you head. This will prevent the "flips upside down" which occurs because one of the LED (or reflectors) moves out of the cone of view. The closer you are the camera, the less room you have to move your head before you leave the camera field of view.
Symetry is not always best when setting up the scaling of the TRackIR axies. For vertical axis head movement, I have "up"or 'positive side of the curve set fairly steeply, but unchecking the 'Mirror' box [in the TrackIR software] and setting the down much flatter will prevent your view from sinking into the dash board as you move forward in the cockpit. This is key when deflection shooting because you want to move toward the gunsight, and up to see as far over the front of the plane as possible, and off to one side. Setting the negative or"down" curve to be very flat prevents the artificial downward movement that can be caused by the geometry of the camera being higher than the LEDs [or clips]. If you make it too flat, you may have trouble looking low enough to see all of your gauges, so leave enough to do that comfortably.
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how do i set it so i can have the views i'm looking for, without moving so fast?
Try the F7 key to slow it down., this works for me, but I don't remember off hand if this requires a check box, or other software setting, and I'm at work now and can't double check it.
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Cap,
I am glad you are working through it! I love my TIR3 and would be lost without it. I personally do not use the "Pause" TIR function. What I do use is the "RECENTER" button that is mapped to a throttle button. When in Mode 2 for GVs and in Mode 3 for Buffs, I also have a hat switch on the CH Fighterstick to turn off tracker and turn on tracker.
This way when flying around in a buff formation I can use it to scan but can click that badboy off when in the gunner positions. Dhyran has a nice profile that I modified ever so slightly and am pretty happy with it.
I am using the metal hat clip as they did not have the proclip when I purchased this years ago.
Best of luck and if you see me online "TG12" you can ask me for help on it if you'd like :)
Cheers,
TG12
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thanks guys.
although i found it more difficult to fly last night, i can also tell that once i got it set up right, and i get comfortable with it, it will be more than worth the effort.
fear the green peeeeee38 when i figure this thing out. :devil
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only thing great for a 38 is a few well placed cannon rounds :neener:
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I use the hat switch and think if I went with this is would screw me all up,so I never bothered, reconsidering now.....
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No Ink do NOT get one.
It will take MONTHS to get used to, several more to get truly comfortable, and when you slip into my chosen sandbox I won't be able to sneak up underneath your low six and donate some lead to your plane :devil
Horrible idea... you should stay away from the trackir ;)
:lol
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hehe
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I use the hat switch and think if I went with this is would screw me all up,so I never bothered, reconsidering now.....
ink. i was at best average in the p-38. right now, i totally suck in it again. it's only because i need to tweak this thing more. i can already tell it's gonna be well worth taking a few steps back.
the key is to be able to laugh at yourself when you do stupid crap.........which i do a LOT. if you got the money, take the dive.
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Well if you want to try it before you buy it, you can try FaceTrack (http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm). It's free software that uses a regular USB video camera to track your face movements. The software turns it into head movement and gives that to the game. I Downloaded the software and set it up using an old Microsoft "Life Cam".
So far it's made me want to puke so I think I have to motion movements down pretty good. :P I'm going to spend some more time messing with the settings and curves and see how good I can get it. I'll keep ya'll posted.
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i was warned to have a barf bag handy.....but i've never had any sort of motion sickness.....still not.
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well there is such a thing as 'hope' :t
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i was warned to have a barf bag handy.....but i've never had any sort of motion sickness.....still not.
I never did either.
My neck was sore for a bit at first though...
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I never did either.
My neck was sore for a bit at first though...
that is something i'm having a little problem with.
i dunno what...but i did something to my back/shoulder, right around the "mr spock" spot. not good. my shoulder feels like it's on fire by the time it's time for bed.....and moving the way i need to hurts a little.......but i NEED to fly.
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Cap, check your PM. If it works for you, pay attention to the hotkeys I have set for pause/un-pause and recenter. It works for me because I use my throttle-hand to hit those keys for my TIR.
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Cap, check your PM. If it works for you, pay attention to the hotkeys I have set for pause/un-pause and recenter. It works for me because I use my throttle-hand to hit those keys for my TIR.
thank ya sir!!!!!
i did a lil better tonight, flightwise, but died more. i kdpt getting disoriented when i'd go purely vertical, trying to rope someone. i kept letting the plane fall off to one side.
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Cap,
I get the "sore neck syndrome" as well. If you need would like to use my profile you are welcome to it as well.
LuLu also figured out a way to use the TIRMouse function so that you can scan around with the 6 view as well by engaging a spare button on one of your sticks. It works really well but takes a bit to tweak it so that it is just right. I use this when flying in the F4 series aircraft so that I can look behind me and scan very well without even turning my head.
He has a link to the instructions on the TrackIR Kamasutra thread. If you would like to know how to set it up I would be happy to show you. I don't use it much but when I do it works great.
Good Luck and glad you are enjoying it thus far!
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I like the idea of trying it first....money is tight you know what they say "Starving Artist" but my fortune goes up and down so maybe some day. that is the last piece im missin.
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Hi Cap
I also have a track ir 5 with clip and have been disappointed with it. My trouble has been with the up view, back view and keeping the front view still enough to hit anything. I loved the overall immersion with track ir but my SA suffered with the limitations. :bhead Thanks to this tread I have learned some great things that help me and I think can help you. :O
ImADot posted that the camera is adjustable and like you Cap I didn't think it could be tillted back just moved side to side. I took the camera part off the base that is held with magnets and gently pushed back on the base magnet and low an behold, it is on a hing, now I placed my camera back and it is level. This with the suggestion from another post of making the pitch in tracker unsymmetrical with the positive more vertical and the negative more flat really helps my vertical views.
Someone also posted, unselected all but the Track IR in the options/preferences/view in HTC. Thanks it helps, just lean in a bit an turn your head and you can see around the backrest.
I know about setting some dead zone to keep the front view still but the same person that mention about the vertical and having it unsymmetrical mention to keep the yaw positive and negative more flat with a small dead zone. This with a small amount of Vertical dead zone has helped me steady my front view. Thanks guys.
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also, you'll see an option to "re-center". you can put that onto any button you wish. that helps me with the forward shots.
i noticed i took some shots that felt more "intuitive" than before, if that makes any sense. i still died a lot......but it's more fun getting to that point. :airplane: