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Title: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on January 30, 2011, 01:57:58 PM: First off I don't know a lot about these units & I thought I would throw them here on the BBS to see if any one can add some more info.

I found some pictures on line of some interesting coloured B25C's that belong with the 3RD antisubmarine squadron. I think this was a State side squadron that patrolled the Atlantic looking for German Submarines.

Not sure of the actual colours but they seem to be mostly white in colour with a two tone look & it caught my eye.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927P-001.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927D-022.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927W-010.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927F-012.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927F-010.jpg)

http://www.afhra.af.mil/photos/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=5591

Second one I have is the 550TH night fighter squadron this unit mostly had P-61's along with a number of P-38's. It is not well documented that this unit used lightnings how ever they did use them for night work & day time base defence.

This picture is only a partial that I found in a very old book & states that it was an all black aircraft. I posted this info on another forum that some one states based off the tail number it was a P-38L? Any ways I thought that it being all black might get some ones interest for a possible skin if that was true it being an L model.

Any ways if nothing else I would like more input if any one has any.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P38F1-1.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/550th_Night_Fighter_Squadron_-_Emblem.png)

http://forum.armyairforces.com/550th-Night-Fighter-Squadron-SGT-John-M-Rock-35605483-m194280.aspx
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Mirage on January 30, 2011, 02:05:45 PM: I bet you anything that that is either Blue on the top or a very dark grey
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: 5PointOh on January 30, 2011, 02:15:21 PM: I would venture to say ODG and white. If you look at the third picture of the 25, the white seems to overlap the darker color. Now based upon that scroll down to the picture of the 25 over the cemetary. Notice that all of the trees except for the pines are missing leaves. IMO, this may have been a photo taken in early winter, and the ODG w/ white was a winter camo attempt.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on January 30, 2011, 03:49:06 PM: Quote from: 5PointOh on January 30, 2011, 02:15:21 PM
I would venture to say ODG and white. If you look at the third picture of the 25, the white seems to overlap the darker color. Now based upon that scroll down to the picture of the 25 over the cemetary. Notice that all of the trees except for the pines are missing leaves. IMO, this may have been a photo taken in early winter, and the ODG w/ white was a winter camo attempt.
I think that the colours are for mariner units. If it was a winter camo scheme I don't think the crew would be in short shirts at that time?
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: MAX-107 on January 30, 2011, 06:45:35 PM: I like that B-25 skin.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Krusty on January 30, 2011, 08:16:55 PM: ASW scheme... Similar scheme is found on the TBM in a couple variations.

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/tbm3/skin5.jpg)

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/tbm3/skin8.jpg)

It was a fairly standard scheme, however you would really need to look into the ROLE of that bomber. (like you mention) Was it a state-side coastal patrol? You don't see this scheme on B-25s much. It's usualy for naval patrols and anti submarine duties (and the like -- I'm generalizing)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 30, 2011, 09:00:26 PM: Quote from: Krusty on January 30, 2011, 08:16:55 PM
ASW scheme... Similar scheme is found on the TBM in a couple variations.

It was a fairly standard scheme, however you would really need to look into the ROLE of that bomber. (like you mention) Was it a state-side coastal patrol? You don't see this scheme on B-25s much. It's usualy for naval patrols and anti submarine duties (and the like -- I'm generalizing)

It is the Atlantic Cammo Scheme.

Stolen from the interweb:

Quote
The 2 Atlantic schemes ( including the Caribbean) were generally referred to as " ASW Schemes 1 and 2 "; the Specification was SR-2e ( 21 June 1944)....
Scheme 1 : Dark Gull Gray 621 uppers, Light Gull Gray 620 side surfaces, Gloss White 511 below.
Scheme 2 : as above but Non-Specular Insignia White 46 (later 601) replaced the LGG on sides.
No. 2 was more common; these were on land-based patrol bombers PB4Y-1s and PV Venturas).
Carrier aircraft on Atlantic escort carriers ( F4F, FM, SBD and TBMs) same schemes .
Some OA-10s were finished with Insignia white top surfaces, gloss white underneath; in line with early Canadian amphibians over the North Atlantic.
The ASR squadron (in Eighth AF ) had a few operating from E. Ehgland.

wrongway
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: LTARogue on February 05, 2011, 12:25:37 PM: Speaking of Bats outta Hell, anybody seen this one or has it been skinned already?

http://warbirdsforum.com/showthread.php?t=770

LTARogue
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: LTARogue on February 05, 2011, 01:15:19 PM: Could this be thhe color scheme on those B-25's?

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/tbm1cd_1.htm

http://www.pbase.com/doodlebugger/image/50659748

LTARogue
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 05, 2011, 08:40:31 PM: Quote from: LTARogue on February 05, 2011, 12:25:37 PM
Speaking of Bats outta Hell, anybody seen this one or has it been skinned already?

http://warbirdsforum.com/showthread.php?t=770

LTARogue
Done.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/skin2_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 05, 2011, 08:41:28 PM: Quote from: LTARogue on February 05, 2011, 01:15:19 PM
Could this be thhe color scheme on those B-25's?

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/tbm1cd_1.htm

http://www.pbase.com/doodlebugger/image/50659748

LTARogue
The first link is right I believe.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: mipoikel on February 06, 2011, 04:29:11 AM: What is that plane behind B25?

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927F-012.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Wmaker on February 06, 2011, 06:15:05 AM: Quote from: mipoikel on February 06, 2011, 04:29:11 AM
What is that plane behind B25?

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/080320-f-3927F-012.jpg)

It's a Lockheed B-34.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 08, 2011, 11:31:04 PM: FTJR has expressed some interest in doing one of the B25's. Right now he is doing some projects on his job & is tied up for a while. So I think he has dibs at this point. If any one was already working on one of these skins or thinking of doing one you may want to touch base & work it out amongst your selves.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 22, 2011, 10:36:17 PM: Thought I would throw these on for any one who may be interested if nothing else some reference material.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/110.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1101.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1103.jpg)

The one above & below are back to back pages.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1104.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1105.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/skyhawk1_170a.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/skyhawk1_170b.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/AirfixBf110referencepart3Messerschmittworks_photo.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/327.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/20.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1102.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 25, 2011, 09:10:30 PM: This would make a colourful addition.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ShermanM4A41stCompany1stProvisionalTankGroupHsewiBirmaniaMarzo19451.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ShermanM4A41stCompany1stProvisionalTankGroupHsewiBirmaniaMarzo1945.jpg)

http://cbi-theater-6.home.comcast.net/~cbi-theater-6/1ptg/1ptg.html

http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7311-reviews-frank.htm

http://www.dragon-models.com/html/7311poster.htm
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Krusty on February 25, 2011, 10:05:14 PM: Last I recall that was a Korean set of markings?
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 25, 2011, 10:07:41 PM: Quote from: Krusty on February 25, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Last I recall that was a Korean set of markings?
Nope read link.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on February 28, 2011, 06:39:25 PM: Don't know if it is from the squadron that is acceptable or not?

Was hoping some one else may have info on this one.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Brewster_F2A-3_Buffalo.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Krusty on February 28, 2011, 11:00:07 PM: Would hazzard a guess of: pre-war state-side trainer.

EDIT: Or wartime stateside trainer, but maybe a later model (like F2a3 and later?)

Their use with US stars was very limited.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on March 03, 2011, 04:14:48 PM: Some F4U-4's.

Not sure if this would qualify for inclusion?
Interesting the RAAF DAP MK21 Beaufighter in the back ground. I did not know that unit headed all the way to Okinawa.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/chog1-2.jpg)

This is a good picture I just don't have any info as to what unit though? Maybe some of you F4U guys can help on that one.

http://www.footnote.com/image/#55684807
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Krusty on March 03, 2011, 04:24:21 PM: the thing about ferry colors is they were often repainted before being given to combat units. You wouldn't really have a plane flying for "unit X" without "unit X" markings on it. Even if provisional or temporary markings. There were intermediate steps between the photo you posted and how it would have looked actually flying its first combat mission.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on March 05, 2011, 02:22:17 AM: Russian M4.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_7.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_4.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on March 06, 2011, 01:02:55 PM: Quote from: Krusty on February 28, 2011, 11:00:07 PM
Would hazzard a guess of: pre-war state-side trainer.

EDIT: Or wartime stateside trainer, but maybe a later model (like F2a3 and later?)

Their use with US stars was very limited.
Found out some more info on this aircraft of interest. I posted this picture in this Brewster forum.

http://warbirdsforum.yuku.com/topic/1263/Any-info-on-this-aircraft

It turns out at the time of the photo it was a trainer but it also was previously a combat bird that was at Midway with kills to its credit.

It was flown by Capt. William C Humberd USMC.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/midwayx.htm

This is what the aircraft looked like at Midway.

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/cleaverf2a.htm

http://kits.kitreview.com/sh48032reviewse_1.htm

Oh & we already have this skin in game. :D
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 06, 2011, 07:22:14 PM: Quote from: lyric1 on March 05, 2011, 02:22:17 AM
Russian M4.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_7.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_4.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/phoca_thumb_l_sherman_2.jpg)

In color:

(http://ww2total.com/WW2/Weapons/Vehicles/Tanks/US/Sherman-tank/images-76mm/russian_Sherman_and_T-34_inAlps-px800.jpg)

I think Fencer has done a Russian Sherman.

wrongway
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Fencer51 on March 06, 2011, 11:07:18 PM: Yeah its been done.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on March 14, 2011, 03:48:54 PM: Since my fellow Australians did not use the Sherman during WWII lets go with the next best thing.

Kiwi Sherman's. :aok

Not sure where the Sherman I & III would fall in AHII though. :headscratch:

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/kiwishermans.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/kiwishermans1.jpg)

Kiwi's even had the Firefly.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/kiwishermans2.jpg)

I have photos of all the above profiles as well as a number of other tanks that could be skinned if any one wanted something else.

Also all the photos I have showing the tops of these New Zealand tanks have a USA emblem on top as shown here.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/kiwishermans3.jpg)

Some Decals.

I have photos of these tanks as well.

http://www.afv-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/35105prev01.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/TAMIYA-1-16-SHERMAN-VC-FIREFLY-TANK-DECALS-SET-2-NEW-/220483596854

http://www.172shermans.com/kitreviews/BisonDecals/NewZealandArmour_Italyprev.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/bison/35105.html

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/bison/35106.html
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on October 12, 2011, 08:01:28 PM: Decided to tack this link on to this thread just so I can get the New Zealand Firefly unit back in the mix.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59987896/The-M4-Sherman-at-War-1-The-European-Theater-1942-1945

That aside this link has some great photos & profiles as well such as this tank with the pin up on it.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/nosearttank.jpg)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/nosearttank1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on October 12, 2011, 08:08:37 PM: Better picture of the same tank in this book.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61621267/Vanguard-26-The-Sherman-Tank-in-US-and-Allied-Service
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: lyric1 on September 13, 2013, 02:31:48 AM: Like this as a possible skin.
FW190 A-8 white 2
13./JG 54
Thank you Chalange for stitching two pages together from what was available of the profile.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2a_zpsc2a43d88.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2a_zpsc2a43d88.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/26-03e6fee341_zps7637b763.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/26-03e6fee341_zps7637b763.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2g_zps1a63791b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2g_zps1a63791b.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/54841a25-3a99-4fb4-a2a1-45d9d0f70dd2_zps4f87c4cc.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/54841a25-3a99-4fb4-a2a1-45d9d0f70dd2_zps4f87c4cc.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2b_zps40c86b9b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2b_zps40c86b9b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2c_zpsf82965a2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2c_zpsf82965a2.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2d_zps9b2b64e0.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2d_zps9b2b64e0.jpg.html)

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/white2e_zpscd4a3749.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/white2e_zpscd4a3749.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw-190/whitef_zps6a72c4b2.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/fw-190/whitef_zps6a72c4b2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: Krusty on September 13, 2013, 11:45:55 AM: Speaking as one who's done a number of LW skins and loves to do them, the history of that particular ride is rather interesting but the visuals are rather bland.

Outside of a little yellow on the prop blades, it literally has no distinguishing marks over a stock camo patter on a Fw190. It doesn't even have a gruppe symbol. I appreciate your efforts, but will pass on this one. Just not "different" enough for me.
Title: Re: Some possible interesting skins?
Post by: ReVo on September 18, 2013, 11:17:22 PM: Quote from: Krusty on September 13, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
Speaking as one who's done a number of LW skins and loves to do them, the history of that particular ride is rather interesting but the visuals are rather bland.

Outside of a little yellow on the prop blades, it literally has no distinguishing marks over a stock camo patter on a Fw190. It doesn't even have a gruppe symbol. I appreciate your efforts, but will pass on this one. Just not "different" enough for me.

http://i.imgur.com/Yt5LH6g.jpg Maybe one of these will catch your eye then? :D