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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ardy123 on March 09, 2011, 03:06:24 AM
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The recent 'efficiency' at which people are taking out the fH and the VH at a base with 40+ people to prevent people from combating them, leads me to believe that there should be an arena where people who don't want to fight can go and gang up on base ack.
I know this sounds like a whine but its not, I'm not complaining about base takers per-say, I just want to have the opportunity to play AH against another human player, and when the numbers get thin, 'interesting' behavior surfaces..... As such, move all the "I don't want to fight against human players" into their own arena, and let the rest of us fight each other.
I guess I just could state on 200, alright.. all though who want to fight lets go to EW, and let LW off hours turn into what EW is.
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or u couldz join deez guyz
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For the most part, folks fly in the arena where their "friends" are. Part of the appeal of LW off hours, was that I got to fly with folks that I had fun with. When my squadees logged off, I could find some others that make me smile and laugh at odd things and comments, during the time that I am available to fly.
I am not on anyone's side on this one. USRanger made a nice joke :rofl when he turned the icons in a screen shot of a base being capped into dollar bills. My point is that we loose battles everyday in life. In a game loosing virtual ground can be frustrating, but not everyone is vested in protecting their virtual ground.
This makes me a very fickled player. I will call for help with defense against a perceived attack. As long as the defense is holding and like you pointed out hangars are not dropped and the writing is on the wall, it is all fun. But once it is clear that there are going to be new tenants, it's time to find something more fun, even if I called for the defense in the first place.
I have flown with a small group of guys that would try and anticipate the movements of a large enemy squad (easy to find when dar bar is active or you have a letter in front of your name). They would come in with intentions of harassing them while they were in base roll mode. So what I am saying here, is to just keep rolling with the guys that make the game fun for you, and ignore guys like me that want you to play the game my way. ;)
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This makes me a very fickled player. I will call for help with defense against a perceived attack. As long as the defense is holding and like you pointed out hangars are not dropped and the writing is on the wall, it is all fun. But once it is clear that there are going to be new tenants, it's time to find something more fun, even if I called for the defense in the first place.
Chilli I could care less about loosing ground, etc... I just want someone to play ah against.... What was happening was the first things to be dropped were the vh and the fh, and with overwhelming numbers, it was almost immediate. So, I try and up from a different base, but by the time I get there, its over. This repeated several times over.
Now, when there are more players, I do the obvious, and go play somewhere else on the map. But, when there are not, or the remaining players are just doing milk runs, whats there to do? log off?
Truth be told, I ended up going to the da to duel Debroedy, but thats not a substitute for the MA.
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The best way to battle attacks like this is MORE bases CLOSER together.. with MORE being the first option.. 8)
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BillyD Get over S.O.A.R because I am about the only member who still even plays AH. Two are dead and the rest are playing World Of tanks. So if you are getting killed a lot by S.O.A.R that would be me. :lol
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Chilli I could care less about loosing ground, etc... I just want someone to play ah against.... What was happening was the first things to be dropped were the vh and the fh, and with overwhelming numbers, it was almost immediate. So, I try and up from a different base, but by the time I get there, its over. This repeated several times over.
Now, when there are more players, I do the obvious, and go play somewhere else on the map. But, when there are not, or the remaining players are just doing milk runs, whats there to do? log off?
Truth be told, I ended up going to the da to duel Debroedy, but thats not a substitute for the MA.
Why not you get your 1v1? Or are you saying you like to gang as well as 1v1s or is it you like to be outnumbered but only to a certain number? Maybe you want 2v1 but that could be set up in the DA. Or is it the MA has score?
You can fight the horde you have to fly more conservative but it can be done. Really the same complaints get really really old.
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There was just a recent thread about this,,,, http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307595.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307595.0.html) . No need to beat the same horse. Nothing was resolved, so I expect this thread will end the same way.
Fred
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Why not you get your 1v1? Or are you saying you like to gang as well as 1v1s or is it you like to be outnumbered but only to a certain number? Maybe you want 2v1 but that could be set up in the DA. Or is it the MA has score?
You can fight the horde you have to fly more conservative but it can be done. Really the same complaints get really really old.
There was just a recent thread about this,,,, http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307595.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307595.0.html) . No need to beat the same horse. Nothing was resolved, so I expect this thread will end the same way.
Fred
This is not a horde complain thread, I don't mind fighting hordes, it is part of the MA experience. This is about not having any fights period.
When the FH and VH are dropped immediately and the one cant get there from another base in time... there is no fight, there is no one playing against other players in AH.
:bhead :bhead
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BillyD Get over S.O.A.R because I am about the only member who still even plays AH. Two are dead and the rest are playing World Of tanks. So if you are getting killed a lot by S.O.A.R that would be me. :lol
how bout you suck it. mmmkah
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This is not a horde complain thread, I don't mind fighting hordes, it is part of the MA experience. This is about not having any fights period.
When the FH and VH are dropped immediately and the one cant get there from another base in time... there is no fight, there is no one playing against other players in AH.
:bhead :bhead
Well I would say that is a huge exaggeration. Its not like the dar bar just appears out of no where. I understand becoming frustrated with the game but to say there are no fights is ridiculous.
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The game play sucks now days. :furious
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Well I would say that is a huge exaggeration. Its not like the dar bar just appears out of no where. I understand becoming frustrated with the game but to say there are no fights is ridiculous.
you should have been on at 1 am.... If you were you would have seen that. The dar bar shows, up, the FH and VH go down, 3 min later, 7 - 10 min later base is taken...
On average, I was able to maybe up once before the FH were taken down. Sukov, you have to realize that you may be mid flight when you see the dar bar pop in a different side of the map, so by the time you land, and and try to up from that base, the FH were usually down.
I appreciate the organization of the base taking squad, I'm not against their efforts, I just feel that there needs to be in place a game play structure to counter balance it. When there are many people playing (over ~80) there are options, but when its thin, there isn't much. Esp, when one country starts to have 15+ players more than the other countries.
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This is not a horde complain thread, I don't mind fighting hordes, it is part of the MA experience. This is about not having any fights period.
When the FH and VH are dropped immediately and the one cant get there from another base in time... there is no fight, there is no one playing against other players in AH.
:bhead :bhead
I can type big to, and I can even change the font colors.
Call it what you want, it was still all covered. It is still beating the same horse, but calling it a different name. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead I can use those to.
:D
Fred
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The recent 'efficiency' at which people are taking out the fH and the VH at a base with 40+ people to prevent people from combating them, leads me to believe that there should be an arena where people who don't want to fight can go and gang up on base ack.
I know this sounds like a whine but its not, I'm not complaining about base takers per-say, I just want to have the opportunity to play AH against another human player, and when the numbers get thin, 'interesting' behavior surfaces..... As such, move all the "I don't want to fight against human players" into their own arena, and let the rest of us fight each other.
I guess I just could state on 200, alright.. all though who want to fight lets go to EW, and let LW off hours turn into what EW is.
The "fix" is quite simple. Allow unlimited side switching
That is all TY
JUGgler
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But taking out hangars is no fun at all without the :cry
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(But seriously... there was still a huge fight at 53 when I logged off last night, despite the fact that each side had taken down all the hangars at least once over the previous couple of hours.)
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When the FH and VH are dropped immediately...
:bhead :bhead
Like dis?
http://www.mediafire.com/?w2we1hyp54bvrbc
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Maybe HTC needs to make the town harder to take, so that people can get to the attacked base from another base to have a chance at putting up a defense.
Or make the needed amount for a white flag, dependent on the distance that base is from another base, so that a defense can be mounted and a subsequent fight can ensue.
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Ha Ha BillyD you must be one of the tank drivers I whack every time you up. It is a honor to be a member of the most hated squad in AH (S.O.A.R.) I see more stuff written in the BBS about us than any other squad. I see people write things about S.O.A.R. that are new to this game and most likely never even came up against any of us and all they know is hear say. But I forgive you BillyD for being a jerk since you are probably only 14 years old.
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Ha Ha BillyD you must be one of the tank drivers I whack every time you up. It is a honor to be a member of the most hated squad in AH (S.O.A.R.) I see more stuff written in the BBS about us than any other squad. I see people write things about S.O.A.R. that are new to this game and most likely never even came up against any of us and all they know is hear say. But I forgive you BillyD for being a jerk since you are probably only 14 years old.
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Why would that be??
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Maybe HTC needs to make the town harder to take, so that people can get to the attacked base from another base to have a chance at putting up a defense.
haha Last I recall, when town had to be 100% down, most maps (especially the large ones) reset ONLY when Titanic Tuesday hit. With the arena change that we have now? No, I don't think so.
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Ha Ha BillyD you must be one of the tank drivers I whack every time you up. It is a honor to be a member of the most hated squad in AH (S.O.A.R.) I see more stuff written in the BBS about us than any other squad. I see people write things about S.O.A.R. that are new to this game and most likely never even came up against any of us and all they know is hear say. But I forgive you BillyD for being a jerk since you are probably only 14 years old.
:uhoh :bolt:
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haha Last I recall, when town had to be 100% down, most maps (especially the large ones) reset ONLY when Titanic Tuesday hit. With the arena change that we have now? No, I don't think so.
lol, vNooblet, I didn't say 100%, I said harder, that could be 80% or 90%, or something harder than what it is today.
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there are retrictions in some squads about switching sides............silly :uhoh
also to help your thoughts ARDY123, instead of looking for someone to just randomly fight. look for the ones that are a threat to your country and fight them. break them up befor the hord forms ???
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there are retrictions in some squads about switching sides............silly :uhoh
also to help your thoughts ARDY123, instead of looking for someone to just randomly fight. look for the ones that are a threat to your country and fight them. break them up befor the hord forms ???
yeah, good luck, I'm not talking about your garden variety horde, its an organized group that goes at it in the wee hours of the morning, when the arena is mostly dead. Its more akin to a mission but its usually perpetuated all by one squad.
aka, there will be some base that has no action all night, then all of a sudden, entering the dar will be 30+ planes all at the same time, and within 3-5 min, the fh is down.
As kappa pointed out, there are some maps where the bases are farther apart, and as such, by the time you get there from a neighboring base, the field is taken.
I usually enjoy going after the horde, but the recent change in their attacks to prevent any defense (going for the vh & fh first). My goal is to be able to fight them, I don't care if I loose, I just want the opportunity.
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What happened to respect? Some of you guys really need to grow up. Name calling on a internet message board, Really?
As for the original post. You mean like an arena where its two sides and one side is AI?
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What happened to respect? Some of you guys really need to grow up. Name calling on a internet message board, Really?
As for the original post. You mean like an arena where its two sides and one side is AI?
No, it was stated as kinda tung and check because, a certain group of players have found a way to 'game' the game such that the only combat they encounter is ack.
I say 'game' the game, because they are exploiting the fact that at 2-5am, there are very few people on, so by them organizing all on one side, they
1) have more numbers period
2) HTC has stated the point of the game is combat, but their motives are to avoid combat.
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What happened to respect? Some of you guys really need to grow up. Name calling on a internet message board, Really?
:aok
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The game is very different depending on what time of day you try to play. You can't change other people, so if the early-bird hours people don't want to play with you just play with yourself instead
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If the goal is to allow multiple distinct but separated fights to take place at the same time during prime time, then the LARGE MAP fad of the last few years is working. It also allows for choosing to avoid conflict in the massive empty territories in between the fights. Most humans by natural temperment are individualy risk adverse. The real humans who live to fight are in the militairy, jail, or combat clowns on television for our amusment.
A unique phenominon of games like this is the reversal of human survival nature in some players. Normaly they are conservitively risk adverse in life where thier physical well being might be exposed to danger. But, in anonymous virtual environments like this, with the lack of physical consiquences, become hyper agressive and insensative to anything but thier need to dominate others for that primal endorphin fix their other wise conservitive nature deinies them in real life.
If this game were named "Duel of the Aces" and the DA was the primary environment, Hitech would be broke. The few times lately that I've stayed around for the late night arena, the culture is a bit different than the prime time arena. Players appear to not be as interested in "fighting" as they are in prime time. This observation may be an over simplification. Late night does not have sufficient enough players to create the illusion of groups wanting to fight which tends to concentrate an availability of easy protaganists for conflict seekers. As a result you have a diffusion of players across the arena due to the realities of human risk aversive nature.
Each player is paying $14.95 to be a winner in their own fantasy. And a winner they will be, or they will stop paying Hitech $14.95. They are not required to live up to anyone's ARBITRARY standards of playing this game or hitech would have written that in stone when you login to the game on the splash screen. Shouting at a mountain won't make it move. But it's your $14.95 and blood preassure levels.
The illusion of a fight takes place during prime time due to numbers. The reality of human survival conditioning is show cased in the late night arena due to the lack of numbers. Life is about choices. Wonder what the mountain thinks about all this shouting? But then, an endorphin fix isn't a very logical thing to be shouting about. Though it is by definition a legal opiate. But, it is related to cocaine and heroin......just musing here......
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Would much smaller maps make the difference to account for the reduction in numbers?
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Ha Ha BillyD you must be one of the tank drivers I whack every time you up. It is a honor to be a member of the most hated squad in AH (S.O.A.R.) I see more stuff written in the BBS about us than any other squad. I see people write things about S.O.A.R. that are new to this game and most likely never even came up against any of us and all they know is hear say. But I forgive you BillyD for being a jerk since you are probably only 14 years old.
Sorry, SOAR comes in a close second in the "Most Hated Squad" category...right behind "LCA Blut und Ehre" of 2007.
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bunnies, please tell them they need their own arena. :D :D :D :D :D
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bunnies, please tell them they need their own arena. :D :D :D :D :D
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Those are obviously shopped. :noid
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bunnies, please tell them they need their own arena. :D :D :D :D :D
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I'm jealous, you were able to up and get there before it was over. oh wait you were fighting rooks, thats why, not the same group. If they were from last night when the 'situation' I was referring to did not happen. I was on last night too.
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I'm jealous, you were able to up and get there before it was over.
whats the difference, you'd get ho'd twenty times before you'd get to town or gain workable alt.
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Female Dogs abound, EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!
Quit whining like a 6 year old JAP and play the game in front of you!
And I do love screen shots like these................. One side has teamwork, or as the enemy says, horde and somehow it's them that are fluffied up. But female dogs, where are your countrymen? Sounds like you play for the pissycat country.
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whats the difference, you'd get ho'd twenty times before you'd get to town or gain workable alt.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Thats true, but you got to up none the less. Sads and I several nights ago were in a similar situation, the two of us were at a base that looked just like that. There was a ridge line right along the base and I would fly along side it very closely, and twice planes would dive on me, not be able to pull up in time, and hit the ridge :rofl :rofl
It made me forget about all the ho's in no time and enjoy the fact that I could still play against other humans.
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lol, vNooblet, I didn't say 100%, I said harder, that could be 80% or 90%, or something harder than what it is today.
it's 75% now, would 5% make that much difference?
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it's 75% now, would 5% make that much difference?
I didn't commit to 80%, I just said harder, maybe 85%, maybe 90%... I also suggested making the % dependent on the distance it is from other fields. If the field is a sector away from another would require a higher % than a field half a sector way, enabling people to have time to get to the field from another field in the case that the fh is taken out.
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What happened to respect? Some of you guys really need to grow up. Name calling on a internet message board, Really?
As for the original post. You mean like an arena where its two sides and one side is AI?
I'm not surprised by his response, however...
lol, vNooblet, I didn't say 100%, I said harder, that could be 80% or 90%, or something harder than what it is today.
Seriously? Though I really won't hold it against ya, as I should have worded my post better, it wasn't ment as an attack. I apologize for that mix up. However, maybe a better way of saying exactly what you wanted prior to my post would have helped your argument a little. You only tossed out a very basic idea, and just the one which was...
Or make the needed amount for a white flag, dependent on the distance that base is from another base, so that a defense can be mounted and a subsequent fight can ensue.
So what would be a way to get this to work? 2% per 5 miles to next base? How does a port or a V-base factor into the percentage? Would it be more or less? Would multiple gv spawns to the base also affect it's distance based percent?
In the end, it will not matter what percentage is used. If the other side wants to shut the base down, then it's going to happen. When HiTech had it set to 100%, I found that this was taking place a bit more than it is now. After all, it's a LOT easier to make sure the town is 100% down if the base is shut down instead of having to provide cap over the field while trying to check for buildings.
Just a little FYI, I am not part of the Devils Brigade. :aok
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The recent 'efficiency' at which people are taking out the fH and the VH at a base with 40+ people to prevent people from combating them, leads me to believe that there should be an arena where people who don't want to fight can go and gang up on base ack.
I know this sounds like a whine but its not, I'm not complaining about base takers per-say, I just want to have the opportunity to play AH against another human player, and when the numbers get thin, 'interesting' behavior surfaces..... As such, move all the "I don't want to fight against human players" into their own arena, and let the rest of us fight each other.
I guess I just could state on 200, alright.. all though who want to fight lets go to EW, and let LW off hours turn into what EW is.
Go kill ords......Problem solved......But wait.......You must be motivated first........
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or u couldz join deez guyz
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dont blame us because you dont want to fly in EW like SOAR likes too. :rolleyes:
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In the end, it will not matter what percentage is used. If the other side wants to shut the base down, then it's going to happen. When HiTech had it set to 100%, I found that this was taking place a bit more than it is now. After all, it's a LOT easier to make sure the town is 100% down if the base is shut down instead of having to provide cap over the field while trying to check for buildings.
It doesn't matter if they shut down the base, the point is you can up from a neighboring one and get to the attacked one in time.
Go kill ords......Problem solved......But wait.......You must be motivated first........
If you can't up from a neighboring field to get to the attacked field, there is no way in hell your going to get to the field which they are upping from in time before the attacked based is taken. So, by the time you take ords, it moot, the attacked field is gone. :rolleyes:
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Ha Ha BillyD you must be one of the tank drivers I whack every time you up. It is a honor to be a member of the most hated squad in AH (S.O.A.R.) I see more stuff written in the BBS about us than any other squad. I see people write things about S.O.A.R. that are new to this game and most likely never even came up against any of us and all they know is hear say. But I forgive you BillyD for being a jerk since you are probably only 14 years old.
Nobody cares about soar, just mildly bemused.
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Nobody cares about soar, just mildly bemused.
like i said, instead of whining that all we do is roll bases with no resistance, why dont the MUPPETS fly in EW and stop us then? or anyone for that matter?
not trying to start a squad vs squad thing, just saying. we love early war. but its not our fault no one else wants to fly in there.
we've had some good fights against the ironhorseman and 337th in there.but other than that we're the only major squad who regularly go in there.
so instead of trying to belittle us, how about you come into EW and fly with us? :aok if you think the mighty muppets can spare the time, of course.
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btw bunny sorry for the hijack, i'll add something onto your idea.
how about taking the arena youve stated, but adding computer controlled drones in there aswell? like every time you go to attack a base in there, the computer ups a set amount of planes to defend it.
it could be a good way to train squads and the likes.
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btw bunny sorry for the hijack, i'll add something onto your idea.
how about taking the arena youve stated, but adding computer controlled drones in there aswell? like every time you go to attack a base in there, the computer ups a set amount of planes to defend it.
What a novel idea - taking bunnies' suggestion seriously! But okay, I'll bite.
Bunnies' complaint is that too many people in LW don't want to fight human opponents, thus ruining the game for those who do want to fight by making it hard to find anyone who wants to fight.
Okay, assuming there is any truth to this, let's look at the proposed solution. Create another arena so that all the people who don't want to fight are somewhere else and won't spoil bunnies' arena.
Okay... so now all the people who didn't want to fight are gone. Leaving who, exactly?
Let's say there were 20 people who didn't want to fight, and 10 people who did want to fight. So now we take all the people who don't want to fight out of the picture, and that leaves us... drum roll... 10 people who want to fight.
The number of people in bunnies' arena who want to fight has just increased by, let's see, carry the four, move the decimal... ummm... ZERO.
There is not one single additional person for bunnies to fight after his solution is implemented. The arena is exactly the same as it was before, except that some people, who bunnies never interacts with anyway and who were never going to give him the fight he wants, are gone. Bases are no longer being taken where he isn't.
We hear this same whine, day in, day out, year after year... "You're ruining MY arena by not playing the way I want you to play!!!!!" :cry :cry :cry
And it's BS. Those people aren't ruining anything for bunnies or anyone else. Taking them out would not change his game experience one iota, except that there would no longer be other people having fun in a way he doesn't approve of.
What he really wants is to get everyone else to play the way he thinks they ought to play. Sorry, bunnies, but it ain't happening.
Oh, and as always, we had some great fights last night in LWO and LWOH taking defended bases and defending against other base-takers. Don't know where all the whiners were, probably off crying in their beer instead of playing.
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like i said, instead of whining that all we do is roll bases with no resistance, why dont the MUPPETS fly in EW and stop us then? or anyone for that matter?
not trying to start a squad vs squad thing, just saying. we love early war. but its not our fault no one else wants to fly in there.
we've had some good fights against the ironhorseman and 337th in there.but other than that we're the only major squad who regularly go in there.
so instead of trying to belittle us, how about you come into EW and fly with us? :aok if you think the mighty muppets can spare the time, of course.
Everytime I've been to EW, you weren't there.
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how about taking the arena youve stated, but adding computer controlled drones in there aswell? like every time you go to attack a base in there, the computer ups a set amount of planes to defend it.
I think extending that idea further such that when there are less than 50 people playing or when one country has a disproportionate number of the human players, the other countries get ai players to 'balance' it out.
Okay... so now all the people who didn't want to fight are gone. Leaving who, exactly?
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or the game mechanics could be altered to encourage people to fight each other, then no one leaves and you have 30 people fighting instead of 10....
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Everytime I've been to EW, you weren't there.
i think i saw you on last night, but you logged before i could up. wasted time upping just to get shot down by slapshots HO'ing brewster.
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Back on the ranch...
I stayed on last night for the late night arena. It may not be a bad idea to use a much smaller map with feilds 1 to .75 sector apart. For the lack of player density, mountains and distances it was understandable a single fight would suck up most of the players from two countries with no short fly way for the third to get at any of them.
Ndisles might serve the late night crew better than the current map especially if the bases on the center island were rendered uncapturable while the map was being used as the late night arena.
If the late night arena is more like AH was in the first few years, why not service it with a map from the rationale of that era?
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What a novel idea - taking bunnies' suggestion seriously! But okay, I'll bite.
Let's say there were 20 people who didn't want to fight, and 10 people who did want to fight. So now we take all the people who don't want to fight out of the picture, and that leaves us... drum roll... 10 people who want to fight.
The number of people in bunnies' arena who want to fight has just increased by, let's see, carry the four, move the decimal... ummm... ZERO.
well it is true that it doesn't increase the number of people who want to fight. However it does increase the chances that you run across someone who wants to fight. Not that I'm for or against this idea, Just saying.