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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Getback on March 12, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
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I was in the midst of a furball tonight. When I spotted a countryman fighting a con on the edge of the furball. I figured fair game. So I pick the rascal. Instant PM. Not a horrible one just one that shouldn't be given. I wasn't called off or called in. I don't know how the fight developed or what the situation was. Nothing indicated to me there was a duel. In the past I have asked people if they want me in where there is somewhat of an isolated situation.
I certainly understand being picked is annoying. I was fighting a higher f4f in my F4U1A. It went on for a good bit. Finally I got him in my windscreen and wham, I get picked by one of the 30 other cons I forgot about. Happened a few more times this camp. I don't like it but I don't PM with disgust. I go out and get some kills and it is forgotten. Then too, I think maybe I should check my 6.
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if i see someone busy with another con, and it doesn't seem to be in the furball, i always ask.....if asked to stay out, i either circle, or go find another target. if asked to come in, i'm in like sin. :aok
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im fine with getting picked sometimes. its just more for me to avoid :aok
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if i see someone busy with another con, and it doesn't seem to be in the furball, i always ask.....if asked to stay out, i either circle, or go find another target. if asked to come in, i'm in like sin. :aok
:lol :lol Yeah I flew by a fight the other day content with a couple of kills. I could tell the con pilot was pretty good. Then my countryman asked me to intercede. I was there in a heart beat. But up until that moment I was out.
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Recently the name-calling has a new identifier. "BNZ Picker." Now if your the only green in a sea of red how can it be picking?
Real mouth-breathers. :D
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I was in the midst of a furball tonight. When I spotted a countryman fighting a con on the edge of the furball. I figured fair game. So I pick the rascal. Instant PM. Not a horrible one just one that shouldn't be given. I wasn't called off or called in. I don't know how the fight developed or what the situation was. Nothing indicated to me there was a duel. In the past I have asked people if they want me in where there is somewhat of an isolated situation.
I certainly understand being picked is annoying. I was fighting a higher f4f in my F4U1A. It went on for a good bit. Finally I got him in my windscreen and wham, I get picked by one of the 30 other cons I forgot about. Happened a few more times this camp. I don't like it but I don't PM with disgust. I go out and get some kills and it is forgotten. Then too, I think maybe I should check my 6.
I hope it was me, I really do. Because if it was you at A9 in your 15K-17K F4u that dove in to pick me on the deck... from the best fight I've had in literally months, you deserve to be called on it. Yak9T (me in the T) versus Yak9U, and the we had been at each other for 10 minutes, easy. I was sweating, the fight was so intense, and we broke away from everyone to go at it. I had called 5 guys out and they were watching the fight, circling. He had obviously called people out too. We fought down from 10K to an on-the-deck crazy stall fight. Then an F4U comes in so fast, its leading edges were glowing from re-entry, past 3 cons watching... easy shot when I'm hanging on the prop in a 100 yard stall fight.
I sent an immediate PM, and it wasn't mean. And the other pilot, (whose name escapes me right now), sent the F4U pilot one too. He was bummed about it too. So, if that was you, you obviously didn't listen to your countryman. If it was you, you deserve to be told you acted poorly because that pilot was actively calling pickers off.
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its all good and well that you got your feelings hurt moray, and further that you had the gall to send a PM to some poor bastard. Bottom line, in the MAs, if its red, its dead. All other nonesense aside.
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its all good and well that you got your feelings hurt moray, and further that you had the gall to send a PM to some poor bastard. Bottom line, in the MAs, if its red, its dead. All other nonesense aside.
KILL IT WITH FIRE!!
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its all good and well that you got your feelings hurt moray, and further that you had the gall to send a PM to some poor bastard. Bottom line, in the MAs, if its red, its dead. All other nonesense aside.
No "gall" and no feelings hurt. When people wish to fight, and they call you off, you stay out. End of story. It's not like I said anything bad to the guy. I just asked him if he was called off... to which he replied "Yes". Then I asked him why he prosecuted his attack and he said "I don't know." Perhaps he might learn from this, perhaps not. I don't even know if the OP is the guy who did it, though I don't think so.
Even the DA has turned into a free for all. Wade through hours of flight time to find one guy who matches your skill level...which should be ANYONE's goal on here.... and some jacktard dives you from 15K.
In the end, I got a new airplane. No big deal. Maybe he learned a bit of respect. It's a game, that's all.
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Edge of furball? Sounds like it was a good isolated 1v1 you killed. Wtg.
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Edge of furball? Sounds like it was a good isolated 1v1 you killed. Wtg.
If I had to draw a ring around the furball it was in the ring. There were a ton of higher cons, p51s, going for the picks. I did a lot of looking up. My wingie, Rud3boi, was driven into the ack by a higher p51 and cut his flight short from damage caused by the ack. I may have saved him with a warning. Well that and he's an excellent pilot.
There were other red guys in the area too. All my kills were picks. No other way in that situation.
As Anvil said, "No honorable way to get a kill. You just do it and move on."
It was me Moray and no one called me off. Maybe he didn't see me heck I don't know. An no your PM wasn't mean. Still unnecessary. Your 200 shout wasn't that mean as well. No tard in in it. It was Pipz btw. He was probably disappointed as well. He had been testing the pilots in the area quite eagerly. You were fighting over the town almost within ack range too. The ack had been up but I'm not sure if it was then. And I wasn't 15k. Maybe 6k or something like that.
My offer is this. Anyone who I pick can challenge me to a duel. I'm not that good at dueling and revenge can be sweet.
I've told this story before. There were a couple of pilots who would otherwise own me. After picking them a couple of times I decided I would go in at low alt and give them the opportunity for a little revenge. So I go in at 2k. Right in front of me was one of them. I think okay here we go. But the rascal turned right directly in front of me. What's a bastage to do!? So I fired and got the kill. Seems he had been bnz'd so much he was looking up all the time and not much in any other direction.
Grizz, talk about picking. I saw you in a 262 shoot down a guy who had a missing wing tip. He was trying to land. Now I'm not critizing you for the kill but gee I don't think you should judge.
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For some kind of people, the best fun is a good 1v1. It can be very annoying if you build up an isolated fight, having fun in it, they suddenly instant tower. You can say 1v1 is only for the DA, but you dont know then how low can be the DA furball lake. Also it doesnt feel good when you have good SA, and you know you cant start an 1v1, becouse that con 6.0 away will come and try to pick you. So plz dont jump into an 1v1 unless you are asked.
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its all good and well that you got your feelings hurt moray, and further that you had the gall to send a PM to some poor bastard. Bottom line, in the MAs, if its red, its dead. All other nonesense aside.
I always tell my squaddies lets get in there and hurt some feelings. :lol :lol
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I thought this sounded familiar <G> Dont worry about it GetBack. Its an open enviorment and this stuff happens. I figured you were just trying to help out and I sure cant get upset with you for that. Im pretty certain there will be more fights coming our way. :aok
In regards to your statement about geting in there and hurting feelings......
I always tell my squaddies that its the enemies job to make your virtual life miserable :D
"A bandit at your six is better than no bandit at all"
Pipz
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Dude it is pretty clear by now when there is a one on one going on. Its weak and dweeby to pick the con in a stall fight. You deserved to be ridiculed.
Red its dead cliche is stupid. Come on guys we all play together.
Sorry that happened Moray, that sucks. I would've asked.
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I thought this sounded familiar <G> Dont worry about it GetBack. Its an open enviorment and this stuff happens. I figured you were just trying to help out and I sure cant get upset with you for that. Im pretty certain there will be more fights coming our way. :aok
In regards to your statement about geting in there and hurting feelings......
I always tell my squaddies that its the enemies job to make your virtual life miserable :D
"A bandit at your six is better than no bandit at all"
Pipz
Thanks Pipz <S>
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Dude it is pretty clear by now when there is a one on one going on. Its weak and dweeby to pick the con in a stall fight. You deserved to be ridiculed.
Red its dead cliche is stupid. Come on guys we all play together.
Sorry that happened Moray, that sucks. I would've asked.
It may have been clear for Pipz and moray, to an outsider, not so much. Killed 6 that run and only 1 pm.
It was kind of a neat run. I had 3 kills and ran to 7 to see why the dar was flashing. OTW there, Kill#4, then a few minutes later, kill#5, and just before I landed kill#6. The latter 2 kills were on my fellow pickers. Pinged a tyhie, and a pony. Then refused to get dragged into a horde. I think kill #4 was a hurricane diving on one of my guys. I looked to my left while diving on a nik1 that was originally higher than me. If I continued toward the n1k1 I would have pulled straight into the gun sites of the hurry. So a ruddered left and straffed him. Then the n1k1 was almost on my 6, just 400 out. SA means a lot!!
Addendum: Didn't get the kill on the Hurri, Have no idea what #4 kill was. Maybe a proxy.
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Recently the name-calling has a new identifier. "BNZ Picker." Now if your the only green in a sea of red how can it be picking?
Real mouth-breathers. :D
Well said my fellow pony dweeb :aok
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It may have been clear for Pipz and moray, to an outsider, not so much.
Yeah, and to the couple that were orbiting overtop, spectating. It was very clear it was a one on one, that we moved away from the main furball.
Seriously, no big deal, but when you see a one on one, you ask if they need help. We were away from the town, away from the field, away from all the cons, and we were going at each other in a hell of an even fight. I called people off the fight, and it was clear that he did too. That, or other Knights just had the common game sense which you lacked, and moved on. Not many times you get a Yak9T against a Yak9U, with two very equal pilots.
You came buzzing down from your perch, and killed me at the apogee of a 150 AGL foot prop hang. Wow, such tremendous skill. I will be definitely looking for you to go into the DA at any point, since you so kindly offered. :aok
Bottom line, you brought this onto the boards looking for a reaction, or perhaps justification of your actions . I hope you're happy, and found what you were looking for.
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I think you have been around AH enough to recognize a 1vs1 when you see it, you saw it,you decided, you took your shot, end of story.
I would have not sent a PM (never done it), but maybe i would have wrote on 200 how cheap/lame that shot was.
That's my opinion and i know many will disagree, i guess for me the kill is not anymore that important.
:salute all
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Grizz, talk about picking. I saw you in a 262 shoot down a guy who had a missing wing tip. He was trying to land. Now I'm not critizing you for the kill but gee I don't think you should judge.
Well, you're barking up the wrong tree with Grizz. About as game savvy and honorable as they come.
As far as his 262.... how much time do you think there is to check for wingtips? And if he's the one that took the wingtip... it was his fight to finish as he wished.
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Grizz, talk about picking. I saw you in a 262 shoot down a guy who had a missing wing tip. He was trying to land. Now I'm not critizing you for the kill but gee I don't think you should judge.
Actually when I came in on that cluster of red I did not know that the guy I was going for was missing half a wing tip but if I would have I would have killed him sooner. :)
As for "judging" you, I'm not judging, you started like your 5th thread of the week talking about picking a guy in an isolated 1v1 so I told you wtg, I thought that's what you wanted. :headscratch:
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I picked Shiv last night. His congratulatory PM was not the typical stuff in your text buffer. :salute Shiv.
Now the score is: Shiv - 100, Snuggie - 1. :D
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I picked Shiv last night. His congratulatory PM was not the typical stuff in your text buffer. :salute Shiv.
Now the score is: Shiv - 100, Snuggie - 1. :D
Shiv is a good guy!
Juggler gave me a "Nice Shot" one day. I told him I wasn't worthy. hehe.
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My policy is, and Im sure people know this.
If someone is engaged in a small fight .. I ask. ALWAYS.
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IMHO, yes it was wrong.
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The title says "another" PM.
Perhaps there is a pattern forming.
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I should film more often. This has turned into a my word against his word type of argument. That's not good. I should have refrained from identification even though encouraged to do so to avoid such an argument. However I endeaver to be forthright.
The fight was by town 9. Let's say he wins the fight and we have goon inbound to the town. He's obligated to kill the goon. What do I say to my countrymen. Well they were having a duel and I stayed out. They may have been having a duel but it wasn't isolated. Not at a base Knights were trying to capture. If the fight was further east, yeah I could see a complaint but it was right beside the town, just a hair west. The same side knights were entering the melee from.
Then some of the posters were saying I just wanted attention. Not at all. That is an amazing allegation. The reason for the post was as the title implied, the PM. I was stunned to get a pm over this. I never saw that coming. Caught me off guard for sure. Normally I let PM's go. But this was way out of whack. No, not rude but definitely surprising in that situation.
I was picked the other day. It was just me and one con in a sector or so I thought. We got into it and as I was pinging the rascal when I got scalped. My first thought was why didn't I check my 6. I could have easily exited the fight. My second thought was that rascal needs to die asap. It never crossed my mind to send a pm to the picker. I don't expect fairness of any sort. In my humble opinion the picker was doing his job. Saving his comrade. It's up to me to save myself.
I do have a film where I was fighting a KI84 in an isolated area one day. The film shows the ki doing over 100mph faster upon entering the fight than I was in in my F6. I wanted to see what the ki84 was all about and headed for him. I've never flown a ki84 until the KOTH last week. So we get into it. I was pinging the rascal when I caught a glimps of a 109 entering the fight. My SA was on that day. I exited the fight abruptly in a nose dive and the 109 kisses mother earth in an attempt at the pick. The Ki84 heads home with a fuel leak. In those situations it is all about the SA.
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A few weeks back I was flying in a G-14 and I jumped two 190s that were a few k below me. Good fight. Both planes have advantages, ultimately I had alt, they had numbers. In the midst of turn 7 or 8, I am turning to get my first shot on one of the 190s when some bonehead in a Brewster comes blowing through guns blazing. I have to alter my turn to avoid him, which puts the other 190 on my tail. Fight was pretty much over at this point.
I was ticked but on their end the 190s should have been more ticked. They had the good fight going and someone ruined their fight. I had no means of letting the Brewster know we had a 2v1 going but...
Or maybe the Nancy 190s needed help, which I think they did. Maybe they called 911 and he was the closest available help. I don't know.
Hard to find good matchups like this, certainly when the other two are flying as a team. Damn Brewster!
Boo
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Well, I'll ask my brethren if they want help..... If they tell me they are ok I'll stay out.
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If they tell me they are ok I'll stay out.
What if the poor guy is too bz to get word out and your up there twiddling your thumbs waiting?
Its just stupid in a MMO air combat game to have this unwritten "rule" where you don't kill reds unless asked to. Just stupid. If you want a good one v one match up where pickers and HOrs leave you alone then invite a hot stick friend over to the DA and set up a great fight.
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What if the poor guy is too bz to get word out and your up there twiddling your thumbs waiting?
Its just stupid in a MMO air combat game to have this unwritten "rule" where you don't kill reds unless asked to. Just stupid. If you want a good one v one match up where pickers and HOrs leave you alone then invite a hot stick friend over to the DA and set up a great fight.
Couldn't agree more.
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I would tell them to remap their vox range key! The word "yes" is one syllable. :neener:
What if the poor guy is too bz to get word out and your up there twiddling your thumbs waiting?
Its just stupid in a MMO air combat game to have this unwritten "rule" where you don't kill reds unless asked to. Just stupid. If you want a good one v one match up where pickers and HOrs leave you alone then invite a hot stick friend over to the DA and set up a great fight.
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What if the poor guy is too bz to get word out and your up there twiddling your thumbs waiting?
Its just stupid in a MMO air combat game to have this unwritten "rule" where you don't kill reds unless asked to. Just stupid. If you want a good one v one match up where pickers and HOrs leave you alone then invite a hot stick friend over to the DA and set up a great fight.
My guess is you don't go to the DA all that much. You get one fight, maybe, then the griefers come investigate in Tempests. That's how it was the last three times I was in there.
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If I see a 1on1 I usualy just ignore it. If the guy is screaming for help I usualy ignore it even more.
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My guess is you don't go to the DA all that much. You get one fight, maybe, then the griefers come investigate in Tempests. That's how it was the last three times I was in there.
You don't have to go to furball lake. Still maybe they just head your way in the challenge area.
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If I see a 1on1 I usualy just ignore it. If the guy is screaming for help I usualy ignore it even more.
:lol :lol No rules against that either.
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Seems to me, you are just trying to justify yourself for what you did.
Now you talk about a goon, the capture of a field ..... next you will say they could have won the war. :rolleyes:
We have all picked/been picked, ganged/got ganged, vulched/got vulched etc etc i bet we have had all the same experiences (in a way or another) and from them we all decided our OWN code of conduct.
Like you have seen, some wil agree with you and some others won't, leave it at that. Don't try to explain us (that don't agree with you), that the same thing happened to you or else.
:salute ALL
IENA
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Seems to me, you are just trying to justify yourself for what you did.
Now you talk about a goon, the capture of a field ..... next you will say they could have won the war. :rolleyes:
We have all picked/been picked, ganged/got ganged, vulched/got vulched etc etc i bet we have had all the same experiences (in a way or another) and from them we all decided our OWN code of conduct.
Like you have seen, some wil agree with you and some others won't, leave it at that. Don't try to explain us (that don't agree with you), that the same thing happened to you or else.
:salute ALL
IENA
Well duh! yeah I'm going to defend myself.
What's that old axiom? For the lack of a nail the war was lost.
Still though you have a point. Not everyone is going to agree with you no matter the logic.
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You don't have to go to furball lake.
Duh, why didn't I think of that :rolleyes: <sarcasm>
They follow you around by your darbars.
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Duh, why didn't I think of that :rolleyes: <sarcasm>
They follow you around by your darbars.
I think I pretty much said that.
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You want some good one verse one fights?
I hear the Axis verse Allies arena has some strange subliminal messaging going around...
:noid :noid
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You want some good one verse one fights?
I hear the Axis verse Allies arena has some strange subliminal messaging going around...
:noid :noid
LOL. It's even worse there, than the MA's. :lol :furious
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Bad form Getback.. Seems to me you saw a golden opportunity for an easy kill and took it. Otherwise you would have at least announced to your countryman that you were coming to his assitance, where upon he could have waived you off.
Similar situation happened to me a while back, was 1v1 and another bish I didn't see zoomed in and picked. I had to offer up an apology to my opponent.
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Bad form Getback.. Seems to me you saw a golden opportunity for an easy kill and took it. Otherwise you would have at least announced to your countryman that you were coming to his assitance, where upon he could have waived you off.
Similar situation happened to me a while back, was 1v1 and another bish I didn't see zoomed in and picked. I had to offer up an apology to my opponent.
I'm not apologizing for shooting someone down in a game where you shoot people down and definitely not in a furball situation or a situation where we are trying to capture a base.
Most of my kills are not easy at all. I was just thinking the other day how tough the fights were getting. This was after I was chasing down a k4, looked back and another k4 was on me. I swung left. The one that I was chasing swung back into me. I ruddered hard right and swept under him by that time the second one was back on my 6. Another hard sweep and some gentle pings on my fuselage. Then the first was back in. It was tough. Finally some help came and I was able to get one of them and a wingie got the other. Then a high spit came in. I cut under him. Just a second later a high 38 zoomed in on my 6. Fortunately he missed I went home with quite a bit of damage.
Don't expect fairness in the MA and you won't be disappointed. I sure don't. I do expect excitement and I best have my SA on. I've been picked and the person I blame is me. No one else.
I'm heading to the MA and I expect to hurt some feelings! :D (Of course they me hurt mine hehe)
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don't worry about it Getback, just play how you want. just because I often leave a 1on1 alone doesnt mean I never cherry anyone. It's only a game. I try to play it as many different ways as possible, that probably why I still enjoy it 8 years later. :salute
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I'm not apologizing for shooting someone down in a game where you shoot people down and definitely not in a furball situation or a situation where we are trying to capture a base.
Of course every situation is different, and with base captures especially, it's a situation where the object is to eleminate the opposition asap, and every one involved understands that... but if that was the situation, you didn't mention it in your original post.
The other night I was dueling a rook f4u in my la, but it was in the middle of a 1 v oh, maybe 10 engagement. I knew I was everyone's target, but as most of the rest were 190's, 109's ,and even a 262 came swooping through, I chose to fight the biggest threat, while avoiding the picks as best I could. In the end I got taken out before I could finish off the Corsair. It didn't bother me a bit... Infact I was satisfied I was able to stay alive as long as I did.
As an aside;
As many times as I've been killed by Shawk, it's never been in a 1v1. It's always been a pick while engaged. And anytime I've engaged him, one of his groupies dives in. I've NEVER EVER known him to up and defend a base, but once the cap is established, he's guarenteed to show up.
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I hope it was me, I really do. Because if it was you at A9 in your 15K-17K F4u that dove in to pick me on the deck... from the best fight I've had in literally months, you deserve to be called on it. Yak9T (me in the T) versus Yak9U, and the we had been at each other for 10 minutes, easy. I was sweating, the fight was so intense, and we broke away from everyone to go at it. I had called 5 guys out and they were watching the fight, circling. He had obviously called people out too. We fought down from 10K to an on-the-deck crazy stall fight. Then an F4U comes in so fast, its leading edges were glowing from re-entry, past 3 cons watching... easy shot when I'm hanging on the prop in a 100 yard stall fight.
I sent an immediate PM, and it wasn't mean. And the other pilot, (whose name escapes me right now), sent the F4U pilot one too. He was bummed about it too. So, if that was you, you obviously didn't listen to your countryman. If it was you, you deserve to be told you acted poorly because that pilot was actively calling pickers off.
If you had a good fight going on and you were interrupted, why not say heck with it and ask the opponent for DA to continue the fun and games, instead of having an headache over the fact that you fought on the MA where every red target is a valid target. I don't get it.
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If you had a good fight going on and you were interrupted, why not say heck with it and ask the opponent for DA to continue the fun and games, instead of having an headache over the fact that you fought on the MA where every red target is a valid target. I don't get it.
+1
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"If you had a good fight going on and you were interrupted, why not say heck with it and ask the opponent for DA to continue the fun and games, instead of having an headache over the fact that you fought on the MA where every red target is a valid target. I don't get it."
Cuz it just ain't the same.
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"why not ask the opponent for DA to continue the fun and games, instead of having an headache over the fact that you fought on the MA where every red target is a valid target. I don't get it."
Cuz it just ain't the same.
What ain't the same? You ain't getting in the way of the rest of the battle? You ain't occupied with waving people off? You ain't got a bunch of people circling over your 1v1 presumably yelling 'FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!' as you do your thing? What is with the pathological need to demand special treatment in the middle (or the edge) of a furball?
Wiley.
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So many hurt feelings. I can't tell you how many times I had a great fight going when someone picked me just as I was preparing the coup de grace. It happens, and I'm sure at my end it elicited a "Daaaaaamn, so close!" remark directed at nobody in particular (no doubt triggering a raised eyebrow from my wife). One thing I never bothered to do was PM someone angrily about it, let alone start a thread.
The MA is a massive free-for-all. I don't expect "honor" there, and I think it's just as poor a form to wave people off from a perfectly legitimate kill as it is to swoop in and ruin a super fun 1v1.
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I get more annoyed when my 12 is cleared after a great white knuckle fight than when I get picked by the bad guys. :)
My general philosophy is if I see a clear 1v1 that's happening away from a larger battle or furball is to extend at least a little courtesy to the friendly in the fight. I'll usually ask, if I don't get an answer and it looks like they're losing I'll tell them I'm going in to help. Of course this is just sort of my personal guidelines, they aren't hard fast rules and I can't say I've never picked a 1v1, maybe I was in a bad mood that night, maybe I just wasn't paying attention, maybe the bad guys stole my lunch money when I was a kid and this is payback. :)
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I get more annoyed when my 12 is cleared after a great white knuckle fight than when I get picked by the bad guys. :)
^THIS^
There's nothing I hate more than having a great fight that goes round and round with a lone con..... only to have a friendly come zooming in from nowhere and nail him just as I have finally worked him into my gunsight. :furious