Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Penguin on March 16, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
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My wish is twofold, firstly for the bomb-bay doors to prevent bombs from being dropped until after their tips clear the bomb racks. Secondly, I wish for there to be a sound associated with it, to tell the pilot when they have opened.
My reasoning for the bomb bay doors: If the bomb bay doors are open instantaneously, they are more of a safety switch than protection for the bombs and a reduction in drag (when closed). If they are instantaneously openable, then realism suffers drastically. It is strange that bombs can go right through the doors without damaging them.
My reasoning for the sound: If the pilot is in the bombardier's seat, then he cannot know whether or not the doors are open, and risks damaging them by dropping prematurely.
-Penguin
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when you open the bomb bay doors...in the text box...orange letters..."bay doors open"
even works when you're in f3 mode...nifty hey?
if you watch the animations...it's not instantaneous...unless you're seeing a glitch
never seen bombs drop through the bomb bay doors, unless it's a graphics glitch.
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HTC has said that the bomb-bay doors are (in effect) open instantaneously. The sound seems like a good idea for historical immersion and feeling like a bad--- while flying a bomber.
-Penguin
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Secondly, I wish for there to be a sound associated with it, to tell the pilot when they have opened.
In the B-17 the pilot was not able to hear the bomb bay opening or closing. One of the jobs the radioman had was to open the door that seperated his compartment from the bomb bay and visually check the bomb bay doors were open and then confirm over the radio. He would repeat the process after the bombs dropped to verify there wasn't a bomb hanging in the racks and then one last time when the doors were raised. The system message you see on the chat buffer pretty much simulates the radioman's radio confirmation the doors are either open/closed.
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Nothing wrong with this wish, imho.
Along the same lines, gear shouldn't support the weight of the airplane 0.5 seconds after they are lowered.
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wow you guys are real sticklers
this is a video game
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wow you guys are real sticklers
this is a video game
the op's wish is looking for more realism - a la simulator...so take your pick...game or simulation?
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It makes sense, but I think it's really a non-issue.
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I don't know about hearing the sound the the door open/close but I agree with everything else you said. Also I'd like to see the same thing for the gear.
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i just wish that the doors would open at the actual speed. not so dang slow.
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It would be a nice touch to hear the doors open or close. I think the user should be in the bombardier's position only, to be able to hear it though.
Coogan
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wow you guys are real sticklers
this is a video game
This is a simulation/game.
It's similar to a half chocolate half vanilla milkshake that you
use as dip for your french-fries.
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In the B-17 the pilot was not able to hear the bomb bay opening or closing.
Actually you can hear the doors operate...or at least you can when wearing a noise canceling headset.
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i just wish that the doors would open at the actual speed. not so dang slow.
The animation in game looks pretty close to reality in my experience. Here's a video showing the doors opening. (http://www.dalefalk.com/Movies/Bombers/7508037_tS88D#484905114_xJNzk-A-LB)
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Colmbo do you still fly for the collins foundation? I'm flying up to see the B17 and B24 at gillespie county on April 9th.
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The animation in game looks pretty close to reality in my experience. Here's a video showing the doors opening. (http://www.dalefalk.com/Movies/Bombers/7508037_tS88D#484905114_xJNzk-A-LB)
knowing your part of the collins foundation. you may have heard of the B25j Devil Dog. Her doors open within a second. if i had a vid id show you. ive also seen multiple other aircraft (names have escaped me for the moment) whose doors open with a lot more speed.
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Colmbo do you still fly for the collins foundation? I'm flying up to see the B17 and B24 at gillespie county on April 9th.
Sadly no.
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knowing your part of the collins foundation. you may have heard of the B25j Devil Dog. Her doors open within a second. if i had a vid id show you. ive also seen multiple other aircraft (names have escaped me for the moment) whose doors open with a lot more speed.
The B25 uses hydraulic rams to open the doors. The B-17 has an electric motor (the same type motor as used on the landing gear) driving a system of shafts to open the doors.
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If you want to go down this path on bomber doors. Then the B29 needs to show the doors opening in an instant insted of the slow cranking open we have now.
IMHO this is not much of an issue to worry about or needs to be changed.
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how about the ability to jam bombay doors or even shoot them off? if say a 20-30mm shell goes right into the bombbay doors, it should do some damage to the doors directly instead of affecting the bombers body as a whole.
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Shouldn't you be opening your bomb bay doors early anyway? I open them as soon as I hit the DAR ring of the target I am bombing, hoping that my speed will normalize before I calibrate for a more accurate drop.
Maybe this is a waste. I don't bomb that much, so I am prepared to be told that I don't have a clue what I am talking about.
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Shouldn't you be opening your bomb bay doors early anyway? I open them as soon as I hit the DAR ring of the target I am bombing, hoping that my speed will normalize before I calibrate for a more accurate drop.
Maybe this is a waste. I don't bomb that much, so I am prepared to be told that I don't have a clue what I am talking about.
We usually open at least a sector before target, often more.
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It depends on bombing conditions. If I have plenty of time to plan then yes the door get opened way in advance so my speed has time to stabilize.
If I have to do a last minute course correction, or get attacked while calibrating and am rushed.. then sometimes I only get one or two calibration attempts in before crunch time. If my calibration is a few MPH faster than my actual speed, I can close my bomb doors to gain a few MPH and then right as I'm ready to drop I open them, drop the bombs, and close them again real quick.
Yes in a way this may be 'gaming the game' but it does come in handy during times when calibration may be less then perfect and there is no time to get it right.
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Shouldn't you be opening your bomb bay doors early anyway? I open them as soon as I hit the DAR ring of the target I am bombing, hoping that my speed will normalize before I calibrate for a more accurate drop.
Maybe this is a waste. I don't bomb that much, so I am prepared to be told that I don't have a clue what I am talking about.
That to me is good practice. I find you get a very good calibration when doing that. I might drop a notch of flap too, just to keep it around 185. That's in a B-17, don't know too much about any other bombers.
:airplane: Coogan
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Actually you can hear the doors operate...or at least you can when wearing a noise canceling headset.
Did B-17 pilots wear such headsets during the war?
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Did B-17 pilots wear such headsets during the war?
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is this a computer game or real life?
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is this a computer game or real life?
Neither, this is a forum.
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Neither, this is a forum.
a forum for what?
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a forum for what?
This is a forum for wishes. Are you truly that daft?
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This is a forum for wishes. Are you truly that daft?
and what do you want the wishes in here to go TOWARDS?. its not a hard question.
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and what do you want the wishes in here to go TOWARDS?. its not a hard question.
Post count. IMHO, wishes here never go forwards, only backwards.
Like this one.
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Post count. IMHO, wishes here never go forwards, only backwards.
Like this one.
and what does th-....well. you got me there. well played. :salute
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is this a computer game or real life?
What does your question have to do with whether or not B-17 pilots wore noise cancelling headsets? I mean, other than to raise your post count that is.
ack-ack
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Actually you can hear the doors operate...or at least you can when wearing a noise canceling headset.
Did B-17 pilots wear such headsets during the war?
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Nevermind, found the answer.
ack-ack
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lol ack ack...the answer is yes, i a manner of speaking...anything that covers your ears muffles external sounds...as you can see in the pics (wwii german pilot helmet), the radio headphones built in to the helmet covered the ears:
(http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/140/541/775/sRr8.jpg)
of course in a bomber like the b-17, aside from the engine noise, the pilot would not be able to hear the bomb bay doors with his helmet on.
the term "noise cancelling" actually refers to modern microphones...where background noises are electronically filtered, not the speakers that cover your ears.
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the term "noise cancelling" actually refers to modern microphones...where background noises are electronically filtered, not the speakers that cover your ears.
When I said noise canceling I was referring to an Active Noise Reduction headset (electronically reducing the ambient noise). Wearing an ANR headset actually makes it so you can hear MORE sounds in the aircraft.
Those WWII era headsets and helmets did very little in the area of hearing protection/noise reduction.
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of course in a bomber like the b-17, aside from the engine noise, the pilot would not be able to hear the bomb bay doors with his helmet on.
You determined this from your many hours flying a real B-17?
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You determined this from your many hours flying a real B-17?
i determined it from wearing a vintage wwii pilots helmet in a b-17 and a b-25 with the engines running...i didn't fly either...from the cockpit you don't hear the bay doors open/close.
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i determined it from wearing a vintage wwii pilots helmet in a b-17 and a b-25 with the engines running...i didn't fly either...from the cockpit you don't hear the bay doors open/close.
Then I have to assume the ANR headset enabled me to hear the door operate.
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The logic written into the game has two states for the bombay doors but the graphics depict them changing from completely closed to completely open. A delay would need to be written in to prevent the bombs from releasing until after the doors were completely open.
I kinda like it the way it is just so I can calibrate with the doors closed if I can remember to open them before dropping my bombs.