Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MaSonZ on March 24, 2011, 02:17:46 PM
-
wow...thing is sooo effed. Did the run with Swoops Tuesday night, gave it more lead then was recomended and hit my target...only one out of a flight of 4. saddening how far off it is.
-
Maybe you didnt chec e6b before drop, it helps especially when your bomb sight is off
-
must be you...no one else has reported any issues.
-
my e6b was checkin out good. I've heard a couple others say the bomb sight is off too.
-
must be you...no one else has reported any issues.
Actually others have mentioned the same thing. I've noticed it as well even with it well calibrated. IIRC it drops short.
-
and strangely enough...not a single post in the bugs section...*hint* *hint*
(that's what i was getting at colmbo)
i suppose general discussion is a better place to report it though...anyone got video? if so, get it to pyro and see if he can fix the issue.
-
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307720.0.html - Bug section :devil
-
last entry:
Sorry to say but Krusty is right, the 29 is very hard to bomb with. We have a squad member who has taken over 8 hours to perfect the bombing in a 29. Its not like any other a/c in this game, you dont just up it, bomb and fly home. Speed and RPM's are a big factor when bombing :salute
date...and topic...didn't register in the old cabeza... :headscratch: :old:
thanks marine...i stand corrected. :salute
bump it to the top mason...
-
Its off a little if the plane is still accelerating but its easily adjusted for. The hardest thing to get used to is adjusting (slewing) left or right to get the sight on a target which causes something like gyroscopic precession which I believe is accurate considering the Norden bombsight. In fact it should make it almost impossible to use the sight if there is anything more than bombardier steering involved. Like it or hate it this (the B-29) is the best addition to the game in some time IMO.
-
There are 2 major factors in bombing, speed and altitude, the higher your altitude and the faster your speed equals a much narrower "cone of error" if you know what I mean. Think of it this way, I usually bomb with B17's at about 15k and my speed usually is around 230mph. Now at this alt and speed I have a little bit of an error margin where if my speed isn't spot on I can usually still hit my target. On the flip side the B29 is usually flown at 30k and at speeds of 300+mph, this means the error margin is is incredibly small, you have to have your speed and drift set perfectly or else you'll miss.
And one other thing to remember, the game has random bomb drift modeled so no matter how well you're setup your bombs will still drift. At higher alts this means they drift quite a bit.
-
There are 2 major factors in bombing, speed and altitude, the higher your altitude and the faster your speed equals a much narrower "cone of error" if you know what I mean. Think of it this way, I usually bomb with B17's at about 15k and my speed usually is around 230mph. Now at this alt and speed I have a little bit of an error margin where if my speed isn't spot on I can usually still hit my target. On the flip side the B29 is usually flown at 30k and at speeds of 300+mph, this means the error margin is is incredibly small, you have to have your speed and drift set perfectly or else you'll miss.
And one other thing to remember, the game has random bomb drift modeled so no matter how well you're setup your bombs will still drift. At higher alts this means they drift quite a bit.
not only that. but at 30k i found this out. its still increasing in speed. i topped my B-29 out at 381mph at 31,000ft.l
-
last entry:
date...and topic...didn't register in the old cabeza... :headscratch: :old:
thanks marine...i stand corrected. :salute
bump it to the top mason...
Trust me I was a B29 nut - I keep tabs on her on the bbs :devil
-
There are 2 major factors in bombing, speed and altitude, the higher your altitude and the faster your speed equals a much narrower "cone of error" if you know what I mean. Think of it this way, I usually bomb with B17's at about 15k and my speed usually is around 230mph. Now at this alt and speed I have a little bit of an error margin where if my speed isn't spot on I can usually still hit my target. On the flip side the B29 is usually flown at 30k and at speeds of 300+mph, this means the error margin is is incredibly small, you have to have your speed and drift set perfectly or else you'll miss.
And one other thing to remember, the game has random bomb drift modeled so no matter how well you're setup your bombs will still drift. At higher alts this means they drift quite a bit.
I see what your sayin here, but I could up a set of Lancs, or B24's, or B17's and put em at 35K (the alt I was at in this run) and still hit spot on without an issue, not giving the bombs any lead.
I saw a post about the Norden Bombsight. As Accurate as that is /was in reality, this is a game #1, and 2) if HTC modeled the bomb sight to need more skill in the B29 then say a B24 or B17, it would be nice to know. I havent heard anything from any one stating it was modeled to be more challenging in the game then the other bombers.
-
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307720.0.html - Bug section :devil
That guy has 34 posts and had been playing since November therefore his argument is invalid becuase he probably just doesn't fly good yet.
-
The B-29 is a fast bomber, and that is reflected in the bomb sight. It isn't as easy to bomb at 380mph as it is at 250mph. If you're looking for pinpoint accuracy, I would suggest not bombing at full throttle and full rpm.
-
The B-29 is a fast bomber, and that is reflected in the bomb sight. It isn't as easy to bomb at 380mph as it is at 250mph. If you're looking for pinpoint accuracy, I would suggest not bombing at full throttle and full rpm.
yes normaly when i bomb at above 25,000 feet, ill tone it down to 270 to 290 mph.
-
That guy has 34 posts and had been playing since November therefore his argument is invalid becuase he probably just doesn't fly good yet.
There were other pile-its that agreed. It wasn't just him.
-
the bombsight is VERY off.seems that the higher u go the worse it gets to.
-
You guys complaining about bombsights being "off" do realize that calibrating while over a hill/mountain, ravine, etc..
throws off the actual impact point, right?
-
You guys complaining about bombsights being "off" do realize that calibrating while over a hill/mountain, ravine, etc..
throws off the actual impact point, right?
It does not. It doesn't matter over what kind of terrain you calibrate with the MA standard bombsight settings.
-
You guys complaining about bombsights being "off" do realize that calibrating while over a hill/mountain, ravine, etc..
throws off the actual impact point, right?
goin over level land..to an HQ...no hills there. hell. i was calibrating until the last second...literally. almost missed my drop cause of calibration.
dont have film though, bad habit hit cancel not save.
-
Its really really easy to use a B-29. The only things you have to avoid are heading changes and last second calibrations. Use some form of straightedge to line up on your target from the bombsite from no less than two sectors distance and know your target speed for proper calibration at your altitude. Achieve calibration before you enter the radar ring and do not turn.
Its actually way too easy even for a "game" as you called it.
-
Its really really easy to use a B-29. The only things you have to avoid are heading changes and last second calibrations. Use some form of straightedge to line up on your target from the bombsite from no less than two sectors distance and know your target speed for proper calibration at your altitude. Achieve calibration before you enter the radar ring and do not turn.
Its actually way too easy even for a "game" as you called it.
if this is the case..i need a lot more sorties to get used to it... I'm not doubting you, but until I have solid proof of this, its all talk.
-
if this is the case..i need a lot more sorties to get used to it... I'm not doubting you, but until I have solid proof of this, its all talk.
I don't think you rack up numbers like this unless he is doing it right.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29.jpg)
-
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7091/29bombsiteoff.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/29bombsiteoff.jpg/)
Can we NOW please stop telling people that it's because they didn't callibrate right?
Screenshot taken in the Training arena. Perfect Callibration, 0 wind, 25k alt, Green Training "bombs go here" is NOT in sync with bombsite crosshairs.
The B-29 Bombsite aiming is off.
Intentional? or Buggy Coding?
-Smkn-
-
Good work Smkn, evidence beats logic in this case. I've noticed that my bombs are landing short lately when I fly the B29. This would explain a lot and not just me chalking it up to "luck of the draw".
I would post that in the bug forum immediately.
-
I don't think you rack up numbers like this unless he is doing it right.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29.jpg)
damn. wtfg Chalenge(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7091/29bombsiteoff.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/29bombsiteoff.jpg/)
Can we NOW please stop telling people that it's because they didn't callibrate right?
Screenshot taken in the Training arena. Perfect Callibration, 0 wind, 25k alt, Green Training "bombs go here" is NOT in sync with bombsite crosshairs.
The B-29 Bombsite aiming is off.
Intentional? or Buggy Coding?
-Smkn-
Swoops posted something like this in here, idk if its in the bug section or not...but i dont have any pictures of solid proof the sight is off. wouldnt hurt to post it in there though
-
See Rule #4
-
And yes, I have heard the speed and alt. thingy everyone loves to mention, like they are the only guys that know anything about the game.
I hit targets regularly at 25k at 420+mph with my AR234, have for years, so speed is not an issue for me.
-
Funny. I posted this problem 2 weeks after the 29's came out. I got raped on the bugs forum by all the know-it-alls that lurk around and wait to attack people in the forums. I have since adjusted my drop lead time to compensate for the descrepancy.
read the thread you started... pretty sure they didn't start with attitude until you did. just my .02 and that's all it will be <S>
-
See Rules #2, #4
-
In Smkns screenshot his airplane is not at full speed for that altitude. All Im going to say.
-
I don't know. I upped my first 29 the other night climbed to 29,000 and hit everything I dropped on almost perfectly. 4 targets 4 calibrations. And again the other day same result... I will say I think it's harder to get a good drop going that fast at that alt but not enough I would complain about it but I think I would recommend taking the bigger bombs because being just slightly off at that alt and speed, if your going for a specific hanger or something you might want the blast radius to help make up for any imperfections in your calibration...
Hmmm think I'll go take up another and have another look just in case. :D
-
In Smkns screenshot his airplane is not at full speed for that altitude. All Im going to say.
Unless this is some joke I'm missing all I'm going to say is that it doesn't matter that his plane isn't at full speed. His calibration is perfect yet the training bombsite is showing his main site is off.
When I fly any bomber, B29's included, I always throttle back once I reach the altitude I want to achieve. I only run full power when I'm under attack, climbing, or just wanting to get home.
-
No, the 29 is not an easy a/c to bomb with. You just don't up it go about your marry way and kill everything in sight. One of my squaddies has spent more than 20 hours(testing) flying the 29's and last night we took several out on a bomb run. Without his hints I don't think I could have hit anything on the map. Over all out of 2 bases( 1 small/ 1 med) we only missed one hanger from 25k. Jayhawk is right, rpm's, speed and many other factors come into play here. I have been in a bomber squad for over a year now and have hit my target 90% of the time with a 17, but with the 29's it's going to be a very long learning curve :salute
-
In Smkns screenshot his airplane is not at full speed for that altitude. All Im going to say.
All Im going to say.
Step 1:
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2972/step1tw.jpg) (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/step1tw.jpg/)
Step 2:
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3991/step2g.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/step2g.jpg/)
Step 3:
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3845/step3ac.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/step3ac.jpg/)
The facts speak for itself. The B29's bombsite is NOT accurate.
-Smkn-
-
The so called adults here that get their feelings hurt because they are too dense to comprehend, need to grow a thicker skin. I am not here to pet anyone, a spade is a spade.
^This - Truer words have never been spoken. Everyone automatically ASSUMES they are right 100% of the time, even after evidence proves them wrong. JUST like this thread. The screen shots PROVE the sweety is off yet people still say it's not. I think they don't understand the pictures...even with the big text on them. -_-;
-
^This - Truer words have never been spoken. Everyone automatically ASSUMES they are right 100% of the time, even after evidence proves them wrong. JUST like this thread. The screen shots PROVE the sweety is off yet people still say it's not. I think they don't understand the pictures...even with the big text on them. -_-;
We all know its off. we dont need the pictures to show us... I just want to know if it modeled this way or because of the rush to get it in its bugged..maybe ill troll the bug reports. supposedly this issue is in there somewhere.
-
^This - Truer words have never been spoken. Everyone automatically ASSUMES they are right 100% of the time, even after evidence proves them wrong. JUST like this thread. The screen shots PROVE the sweety is off yet people still say it's not. I think they don't understand the pictures...even with the big text on them. -_-;
Have you read the thread he started? A couple people tried to help him, they were friendly and wanted to cover the basics first. He immediately attacked everyone for "questioning his intelligence". Someone needs to take a dose of his own medicine and not get their feelings hurt.
-
*nevermind* too complicated to fart around with... :lol
-
Document your post in the "bugs" section.
here is my original test:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309602.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309602.0.html)
-
See Rules #2, #4
-
:rolleyes:
-
Unless this is some joke I'm missing all I'm going to say is that it doesn't matter that his plane isn't at full speed. His calibration is perfect yet the training bombsite is showing his main site is off.
It 'matters' because unless he is using reduced power the green pointer should eventually move out in front of the bombsight. You cant see his power or rpm settings but you can see his calibrated speed which is a great deal more than the actual aircraft ever used btw (IRL they used a calibrated speed of 240 in which case he is 100pmh faster).
The only question I have are whether the green cross takes something else into account which is why it isnt agreeing with the bombsight? And given that this is consistent why are people still dropping on the crosshair?
:bhead
-
I didn't say I was agreeing with his tact on the other thread, it's just EVERYONE on this bbs gets butt hurt when someone disagrees with them.
-
*Big long post on how Chalenge keeps saying it must be user error, even faced with picture proof that it infact is not. :bhead*
*Then deleted the rant because it's not solving the problem, and only causes hate and discontent. :angel:*
*But still wanted to have the jist of what WAS here known... :devil*
I know the bombsite is off. I've proven it to myself and, hopefully, a few others. Will have to adjust accordingly, maybe run tests to find if it becomes "accurate" if the calibrated speed is off by a known amount. (I.E. If you calibrate 10 mph slower then what the B29 is really going....)
-Smkn-
-
On a side note.
I have noticed that the bombs do seem to get quite a scatter coming out of the bomb bay, some go flinging off to the left or right. Makes sense though, it is not as if the B29 was ever laser accurate. Im thinking the designers had more of a "bring X amount of bombs to Y and drop them all" idea.
Although, the bombsight being off doesn't help either.
-Smkn-
-
ATTENTION ALL BOMBER PILOTS AND Wanna-be B29 pilots.
THIS WEEK ONLY: FREE B29s, in the AvA arena.
Post your bombsight results here :)
-
*Big long post on how Chalenge keeps saying it must be user error, even faced with picture proof that it infact is not. :bhead*
*Then deleted the rant because it's not solving the problem, and only causes hate and discontent. :angel:*
*But still wanted to have the jist of what WAS here known... :devil*
I know the bombsite is off. I've proven it to myself and, hopefully, a few others. Will have to adjust accordingly, maybe run tests to find if it becomes "accurate" if the calibrated speed is off by a known amount. (I.E. If you calibrate 10 mph slower then what the B29 is really going....)
-Smkn-
Perfect example right there MarineUS.
-
^This - Truer words have never been spoken. Everyone automatically ASSUMES they are right 100% of the time, even after evidence proves them wrong. JUST like this thread. The screen shots PROVE the sweety is off yet people still say it's not. I think they don't understand the pictures...even with the big text on them. -_-;
Indeed it is....
-Smkn-
-
No little Smkn I wasnt making any such claim (you DID specifically call me out). What I said was it is easily adjusted for. I also stated that you and others do not have your planes stable and in a non-accelerating state. Any pilot can miss by a great deal more than your screenshots indicate by trying to move the crosshair onto the target just before hitting town. Thats lateral compensation and it will screw up the drop.
Checking out your score I cant even see where you used a B-29 online. I can tell you if I only flew the B-29 and I had 26 sorties in it that my damage points would exceed 75 million (easily) yet you dont even have 1 million. Probably the listening should be going the other way dont you think?
Nevermind though. I also fly fighters and from now on you should probably bring a lot of escorts along with you when you sortie out. :aok
-
Awwww, is someone butt hurt? :cry
Pilot error excuses, digging pilots scores, making insults and threats. Classy guy you are.
Cheers! :cheers:
-Smkn-
-
Gents: You are aiming from the nose of the aircraft. The bombs are dropping from center / rear of aircraft. This difference in distance is the error you are seeing.
HiTech
-
Answer to the problem - ta daaaaaaaaa
-
Answer to the problem - ta daaaaaaaaa
I'm not entirely convinced yet. See additional posts in bugs forum :)
-
I'm not entirely convinced yet. See additional posts in bugs forum :)
I still remain unconvinced, even with word from HiTech. :O
It just doesn't add up.
-Smkn-
-
Gents: You are aiming from the nose of the aircraft. The bombs are dropping from center / rear of aircraft. This difference in distance is the error you are seeing.
HiTech
It just seems odd that the bombsite can compensate for 30k in altitude, but not the additional ~50 feet in fuselage length.
-
Gents: You are aiming from the nose of the aircraft. The bombs are dropping from center / rear of aircraft. This difference in distance is the error you are seeing.
HiTech
makes sense. and now that i have this in my head, was this the case in reality? Even though the Norden was so accurate was it still slightly off for the same reason just listed?
but i have to agree with snail. I'm not fully convinced this is why its so off. I at 35k I put about a full HQ lead on the HQ and hit it. that is a lot of error. and dont say wind..unless Hitech or Skuzz chimes in and says there is wind modeled into bomb dropping.
:cheers:
-
makes sense. and now that i have this in my head, was this the case in reality? Even though the Norden was so accurate was it still slightly off for the same reason just listed?
but i have to agree with snail. I'm not fully convinced this is why its so off. I at 35k I put about a full HQ lead on the HQ and hit it. that is a lot of error. and dont say wind..unless Hitech or Skuzz chimes in and says there is wind modeled into bomb dropping.
:cheers:
I doubt the real sight took the plane length into it's calibration.
HiTech
There is wind modeled when the wind is turned on.
The green cross hair /bomb sight/ should be accurate less the randomness that is associated with bombs.
HiTech
-
I doubt the real sight took the plane length into it's calibration.
HiTech
There is wind modeled when the wind is turned on.
The green cross hair /bomb sight/ should be accurate less the randomness that is associated with bombs.
HiTech
ahh. thank you hitech :-)
:salute
:cheers: