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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on April 01, 2011, 11:54:49 AM
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Well Duh! We're on a diet! Hello!
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I always get hungry. I wish I was one of the 5/6 people who never had to deal with eating that would be convienient.
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I'm hungry.
Chinese sounds good.
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<------------------Needs Food
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Ahh, yeah, that is a subject to make fun of :rolleyes:
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I wonder what they define "Struggles with Hunger" as?
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Making fun of hungry people is in bad taste. :huh
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I thought it was funny and still do. Hunger is not America's problem at all.
If you like and it makes you feel better you can say I was making fun at myself.
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Making fun of hungry people is in bad taste. :huh
But watching little kids put a butter knife in a electrical receptacle is ok.
I wonder if they make estrogen counters, kind of like a Geiger counter?
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But watching little kids put a butter knife in a electrical receptacle is ok.
I wonder if they make estrogen counters, kind of like a Geiger counter?
Irony is wasted on the ignorant. :aok
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How does any even know if those numbers are correct? How'd they get them? I found it amusing.
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Just ate panda express, not hungry anymore.
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The other day me and a coworker were trying pick some place different for lunch.
I suggested an Ethiopian place down the road.
He said, "Great. I don't get to eat Ethiopian food very often."
I replied, "Neither do a lot of Ethiopians."
Bada Bing.
:noid,
Wab
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Ahh, yeah, that is a subject to make fun of :rolleyes:
Agreed my friend.
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Agreed my friend.
How about dead baby jokes?
I got a lot of those.
:devil,
Wab
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Well Duh! We're on a diet! Hello!
the people/organization paying for thagt billboard....if they're so concerned over hungry americans......then stop putting up billboards, and use the money to feed hungry americans.
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I'm sure the billboard generates more donations than the $80/mo they're spending on it...
Good advice though.
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Hmmm... We have one group saying 1 in 6 are starving. Another group that says 2/3rds of Americans are obese. My math skills have that leaving only 1 in 6 Americans that are neither obese nor starving. I don't believe it. I think that there must be some really fuzzy math at work in the calculations that generate these numbers.
I find it difficult to trust what people say as they hold their hand out and ask for my money.
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I'm sure the billboard generates more donations than the $80/mo they're spending on it...
Good advice though.
billboards are that cheap?
i actually think they're significantly more expensive than that, if only based on the fact that there's one that is mounted in someone's back yard, near the shop i used to work at. this allows it to be seen on rt42......and rumor has it that the owning company pays them somewhere in the ballpark of $1,000/month to have it there.
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See Rule #4
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For the most part that stat is true. A lot of folks that are impoverished do have to either become obese and die of heart problems or eat a whole lot less. This is due to the fact that the only cheap food there is will blow you up like a friggin blimp (MickyD's, BK, etc.) and the stuff that is good for you is priced like luxury in comparison. I've honestly had to live with that choice for a bit over a year, and it's not an easy choice considering I was doing wrestling and track throughout that time (read: need a high calorie intake) and my family has a HORRIBLE history of heart problems. (A lot of heart attacks/strokes and there is not one fat person in my family.
This is not a laughing matter at all. I think a lot of the stuff on these boards is funny but this just crossed the damn line. Why would you make fun of someone who is suffering not because of their own choice? Trust me, almost nobody chooses to be poor/below the poverty line. Would you make fun of a kid with cancer? No.
IN
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billboards are that cheap?
i actually think they're significantly more expensive than that, if only based on the fact that there's one that is mounted in someone's back yard, near the shop i used to work at. this allows it to be seen on rt42......and rumor has it that the owning company pays them somewhere in the ballpark of $1,000/month to have it there.
I guess it would depend on the area. I called a 1-800# one day while driving down I-5 after seeing a 'put your sign here!' billboard. That's only for leasing the space though. Making the billboard probably costs a few hundred. But I imagine that's still a small amount to what they're raking in. Hopefully at least some of it is being used honestly.
This thread is still in poor taste. ;)
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A billboard in a good location here in Central Illinois runs about $5800 per year. Included in that price is monthly graphics changes, so you can put a new design up every month. I used to do the graphic design for a billboard that our church leases, and that was the cost a couple years ago.
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Some of you folks don't have a sense of humor I see. When I look in the mirror and I look around me I don't see people starving. I see people with real weight issues. The website I use has some real horror stories. They wanted to amputate one girls legs off because she couldn't get blood to them because she was so heavy. She's since lost over 100 lbs.
I took a friend to the hospital the other day. I looked around and most everyone was morbidly obese. I was at walmart the other day and an obese woman with her young obese daughter were both in electric carts. Now that stuff is not funny at all.
I still think the original post was pretty darn funny and got a lot of laughs on the calorie counter website I use.
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This thread is still in poor taste. ;)
agreed.
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Some of you folks don't have a sense of humor I see. When I look in the mirror and I look around me I don't see people starving. I see people with real weight issues. The website I use has some real horror stories. They wanted to amputate one girls legs off because she couldn't get blood to them because she was so heavy. She's since lost over 100 lbs.
I took a friend to the hospital the other day. I looked around and most everyone was morbidly obese. I was at walmart the other day and an obese woman with her young obese daughter were both in electric carts. Now that stuff is not funny at all.
I still think the original post was pretty darn funny and got a lot of laughs on the calorie counter website I use.
you wanna talk weight issues?
i'm 6'2, and weigh 160. i take a 31" or 32" waist pants, with 36" inseam. do you know how hard it is to find a pair of dress slacks(for my cap corporate uniform) in that size?
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you wanna talk weight issues?
i'm 6'2, and weigh 160. i take a 31" or 32" waist pants, with 36" inseam. do you know how hard it is to find a pair of dress slacks(for my cap corporate uniform) in that size?
So are you fat or skinny? How much of that weight is muscle and how much of it is blubber?
-Penguin
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Simaril had some good leper jokes if dead baby stuff ain't your bag.
Yeah, I've gone thru times in my life when I literally had no food. I don't just mean missing lunch.
I lived. Its a great motivator. Very few thing will educate you to the true value of a buck that quickly.
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Wab
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you wanna talk weight issues?
i'm 6'2, and weigh 160. i take a 31" or 32" waist pants, with 36" inseam. do you know how hard it is to find a pair of dress slacks(for my cap corporate uniform) in that size?
I'm 6' and weigh 288. I was up to almost 400 lbs. at one time. When I started a serious diet I weighed 350 and that was just 6 mos. ago.
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So are you fat or skinny? How much of that weight is muscle and how much of it is blubber?
-Penguin
you're joking, right?
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you're joking, right?
Well, if you weigh 160 pounds and are muscular, it's not the same as weiging 160 pounds and having a waist the size of a truck tyre.
-Penguin
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...When I look in the mirror and I look around me I don't see people starving...
This is the crux of the issue. Get outside of your bubble and look at true poverty in America(or elsewhere) and you won't find this funny any more. Better yet, try living it for a time.
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This is the crux of the issue. Get outside of your bubble and look at true poverty in America(or elsewhere) and you won't find this funny any more. Better yet, try living it for a time.
:aok
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I see this jumping to politics in 5, 4, 3, 2....
So IN
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Drama queens. Sheesh, this is funny I tell ya.
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How many of you who are beating up Getback for this thread go out and donate time to help the poor/homeless? It would seem many of you are doing it giving all the negative reactions I am seeing. I would rather read about what you are doing to help those less fortunate folks, than read about how mortified you are you cannot see something from another perspective.
For all those good folk who are pitching in time and energy to help out, a big <S>. Good for you for doing it.
I am so happy to see so many of the community pitching in and helping people who are having a rough go of it.
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How many of you who are beating up Getback for this thread go out and donate time to help the poor/homeless? It would seem many of you are doing it giving all the negative reactions I am seeing. I would rather read about what you are doing to help those less fortunate folks, than read about how mortified you are you cannot see something from another perspective.
For all those good folk who are pitching in time and energy to help out, a big <S>. Good for you for doing it.
I am so happy to see so many of the community pitching in and helping people who are having a rough go of it.
I encouraged the company I work for to start a matching program for employees who donate to the local food banks. I do find it sad that people are ignorant and insensitive to the plight and struggle of our fellow Americans. Not everyone is as fortunate as some of us.
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How many of you who are beating up Getback for this thread go out and donate time to help the poor/homeless? It would seem many of you are doing it giving all the negative reactions I am seeing. I would rather read about what you are doing to help those less fortunate folks, than read about how mortified you are you cannot see something from another perspective.
For all those good folk who are pitching in time and energy to help out, a big <S>. Good for you for doing it.
I am so happy to see so many of the community pitching in and helping people who are having a rough go of it.
I do. No drama about it.
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So are you fat or skinny? How much of that weight is muscle and how much of it is blubber?
-Penguin
he is 160 on a 6foot 2inch frame there aint much blubber
i know I am 6' 4 and in highschool i was 175 lb beanpole...I'm a lil more now
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288967,00.html
The waistlines of Americans continue to grow and a new study estimates that by 2015, 75 percent of adults will be overweight and 41 percent will be obese.
The percentage of adults in the U.S. that were obese increased from 13 percent in the 1960s to 32 percent in 2004, according to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health's Center for Human Nutrition.
“The obesity rate in the United States has increased at an alarming rate over the past three decades,” said Dr. Youfa Wang, lead author of the study and an assistant professor at the Bloomberg School of Public Health’s Department of International Health, in a press release.
The proportion of overweight and obese Americans has increased at an average rate of 0.3 to 0.8 percentage points a year. Poorer Americans and some minority groups have been affected disproportionately, according to the analysis, which was published online in advance of the 2007 issue of the journal Epidemiologic Reviews.
Specifically, the study found that women ages 20 to 34, regardless of race or ethnicity, are becoming obese and overweight at a faster rate than men and children. It also found that 80 percent of black women age 40 and older are currently overweight, while 50 percent are obese.
“Obesity is a public health crisis,” Wang added. “If the rate of obesity and overweight continues at this pace, by 2015, 75 percent of adults and nearly 24 percent of U.S. children and adolescents will be overweight or obese.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288967,00.html#ixzz1IJ9uTXOv
Enough said!
BTW. If any of you want to lose weight I can tell you where to go for help. Just PM me.
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This is the crux of the issue. Get outside of your bubble
He can't. Its too big :lol How fanny is it now? :rofl
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well I've been homeless with a bunch of kids and it aint no fun, but there are a hell of a lot worse things to be joking about.
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He can't. Its too big :lol How fanny is it now? :rofl
Now insult me if you want. I've been open and honest about my weight and my efforts to lose weight. It's not easy! I keep a ticker at the bottom of the page to show how much I have lost. I have several friends from these boards who have joined me once they've seen it was possible. I'm not ashamed of my weight anymore because I'm doing something about it.
I'll even be honest why I got so heavy. It was gluttony. Pure and simple. Oh I blamed it on my ex but that warranty expired and the only one with the cure is me. But that's how I like it.
While I was studying for the CPA exam I started thinking, if I put this much effort into losing weight I should be successful. So far yes.
I was down to 2 shirts that fit, an old beat up sweat shirt and a heavily stained tee. Now I have dozens and I got them all from my closet. The most thrilling was a Tee shirt I bought from my daughters track team. It was dated 2003! That is cool! I wear 2 belts now. Neither fit when I started my weight loss journey. Now one is on notch 7. I can do 3 hours of cardio and 250 setups. When I started I got on the stairmaster for just 5 minutes. Walked over to the trash can and begged myself not to throw up. It was embarassing.
So make the jokes if you want I will take them in stride.
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This thread is still in poor taste. ;)
Not for the 1 in 6 it seems.
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I can do 3 hours of cardio and 250 setups.
Wow! I can barely do an hour of cardio. Keep up the good work sir!
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Not for the 1 in 6 it seems.
Exactly!
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Not for the 1 in 6 it seems.
The horror.......the horror...........
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Well, if you weigh 160 pounds and are muscular, it's not the same as weiging 160 pounds and having a waist the size of a truck tyre.
-Penguin
while i'm not in the best shape int he world, suffice it to say that if i were given one free shot at most people.....they'd wake up tomorrow. :devil
which is good, as i suck at fighting......so one shot is all i generally get. :noid
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How many of you who are beating up Getback for this thread go out and donate time to help the poor/homeless? It would seem many of you are doing it giving all the negative reactions I am seeing. I would rather read about what you are doing to help those less fortunate folks, than read about how mortified you are you cannot see something from another perspective.
For all those good folk who are pitching in time and energy to help out, a big <S>. Good for you for doing it.
I am so happy to see so many of the community pitching in and helping people who are having a rough go of it.
within civil air patrol, we often do.
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Getback, it's good to see that you're committed to getting in shape. Best wishes sir, and keep at it!
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he is 160 on a 6foot 2inch frame there aint much blubber
i know I am 6' 4 and in highschool i was 175 lb beanpole...I'm a lil more now
funny you saY THAT,.....when i was in my 20's and lifting 3 to 5 nights a week, that was what i weighed....and wore the same sizes i wear now. :aok
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while i'm not in the best shape int he world, suffice it to say that if i were given one free shot at most people.....they'd wake up tomorrow. :devil
which is good, as i suck at fighting......so one shot is all i generally get. :noid
So why can't you get a dress uniform? You seem to be an average man of your age.
-Penguin
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How about dead baby jokes?
I got a lot of those.
:devil,
Wab
I love dead baby jokes!
Whats worse than a dead baby?
A pile of dead babies.
What's worse than that?
A live one in the middle trying to eat its way out.
ba-domp tshh!
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How many dead babies can you fit in the trunk of a car? 23.
What's worse than 7 dead babies nailed to a tree? One dead baby nailed to seven trees.
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whats red and white and screams a lot?
A peeled baby rolled in salt.
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I'm not a Liberal, but let me pretend to be one for a minute:
Let's see, If 1 in 6 are hungry, and there are roughly 3 mil in the US, then there are roughly 1/2 million hungry people in the US. The US shells out roughly $45 Billion (with a "B") in foreign aid to countries that mostly hate us. That's roughly $9K for every hungry person in the US. $9K is roughly my family's food budget for 18 months. So, how could we solve this problem?
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How many dead babies can you fit in the trunk of a car? 23.
What's worse than 7 dead babies nailed to a tree? One dead baby nailed to seven trees.
Q: How do you squeeze 100 hungry Americans into a phone booth?
A: Throw in a can of beans.
Q: How do you get them back out again?
A: Run past with a can opener.
:bolt:,
Wab
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Moronic jokes aside...
I dont help Americans except through my own church where I can see the money actually goes to helping to feed people. Too many of these organizations (like the one advertising on that billboard spend more money on themselves internally than ever go to the poor or starving. America also has a ton of infrastructure already designed to help with this problem and the churches are usually the best way to find them. Also if you live in America you are already FAR better off than people in the majority of other nations. Money literally drips off of the trees here and yet people complain they are too poor to eat. Our standard is so high the poor often own tvs cell phones cars and microwaves (not to mention game systems). BTW... Ted Turner started amassing wealth through a billboard business his father left him.
Your money will go MUCH further feeding families in foreign nations and setting up a reliable method of delivering help to people that really need it is simple and much more efficient than any American institution ever designed.
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Moronic jokes aside...
I dont help Americans except through my own church where I can see the money actually goes to helping to feed people. Too many of these organizations (like the one advertising on that billboard spend more money on themselves internally than ever go to the poor or starving. America also has a ton of infrastructure already designed to help with this problem and the churches are usually the best way to find them. Also if you live in America you are already FAR better off than people in the majority of other nations. Money literally drips off of the trees here and yet people complain they are too poor to eat. Our standard is so high the poor often own tvs cell phones cars and microwaves (not to mention game systems). BTW... Ted Turner started amassing wealth through a billboard business his father left him.
Your money will go MUCH further feeding families in foreign nations and setting up a reliable method of delivering help to people that really need it is simple and much more efficient than any American institution ever designed.
http://civilsoc.org/resource/sins.htm (http://civilsoc.org/resource/sins.htm)
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I'm not a Liberal, but let me pretend to be one for a minute
:bhead :bhead Some people don't know what the rules are apparently.
For all those good folk who are pitching in time and energy to help out, a big <S>. Good for you for doing it.
I am so happy to see so many of the community pitching in and helping people who are having a rough go of it.
Thank you sir, been volunteering at the soup kitchen I used to go to.
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I'm not a Liberal, but let me pretend to be one for a minute:
Let's see, If 1 in 6 are hungry, and there are roughly 3 mil in the US,
3 million give or take 304 million-ish.
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3 million give or take 304 million-ish.
:rofl
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you wanna talk weight issues?
i'm 6'2, and weigh 160. i take a 31" or 32" waist pants, with 36" inseam. do you know how hard it is to find a pair of dress slacks(for my cap corporate uniform) in that size?
I weigh the same except am 6' 4" I feel your pain.
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I weigh the same except am 6' 4" I feel your pain.
damn beanpoles :D
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So why can't you get a dress uniform? You seem to be an average man of your age.
-Penguin
because whereas 20 years ago, 31x36 dress slacks were the norm.....it isn't anymore.
i have dress blues, and bdu's, and flightsuits all plenty long enough. they were no problem to find....i wanted a pair of grey dress slacks for the corporate uniform.
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I'm not a Liberal, but let me pretend to be one for a minute:
Let's see, If 1 in 6 are hungry, and there are roughly 3 mil in the US, then there are roughly 1/2 million hungry people in the US. The US shells out roughly $45 Billion (with a "B") in foreign aid to countries that mostly hate us. That's roughly $9K for every hungry person in the US. $9K is roughly my family's food budget for 18 months. So, how could we solve this problem?
shush you!!
<walking away shaking my head at the goof trying to apply common sense....>
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I weigh the same except am 6' 4" I feel your pain.
jeeze!!!!! you must have a hell of a time not having to walk around in floods!!
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I'm not a Liberal, but let me pretend to be one for a minute:
Let's see, If 1 in 6 are hungry, and there are roughly 3 mil in the US, then there are roughly 1/2 million hungry people in the US. The US shells out roughly $45 Billion (with a "B") in foreign aid to countries that mostly hate us. That's roughly $9K for every hungry person in the US. $9K is roughly my family's food budget for 18 months. So, how could we solve this problem?
A liberal would probably take a shot at the ~$600 Billion (with a B) defense budget
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My stomach is growling. Somebody make me something. :neener:
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My stomach is growling. Somebody make me something. :neener:
i just ate a half of a pizza. :devil
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i just ate a half of a pizza. :devil
I just made and ate Chicken and rice in the slow cooker. Low fat, low sodium, high protein. Then it is delicious!
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I just made and ate Chicken and rice in the slow cooker. Low fat, low sodium, high protein. Then it is delicious!
you sonofa biach!!! now i;m gonna hafta put effort into tomorrows dinner............. :devil
and that DOES sound good.
:aok
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you sonofa biach!!! now i;m gonna hafta put effort into tomorrows dinner............. :devil
and that DOES sound good.
:aok
I hate myself hehe. I've had to learn and be scolded about sodium. So I've come to the conclusion that I have to do the cooking from scratch and stay as far as away from canned goods as possible, especially soups.
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I wonder what they define "Struggles with Hunger" as?
I think it means the struggle they have in their mind when they're hungry... "should I go down and get burgers or call for a pizza?"
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I weigh the same except am 6' 4" I feel your pain.
I'm 6'4" also, and was about 180 pounds at my heaviest, until I fell 25' while working and shattered my right leg just below the hip. I was in the hospital for two weeks, then I lived in a hospital bed in my living room for another 9 months. I went from, as the ER doc described me on my admittance report, a slightly under weight white male to 260 pounds (80 pounds heavier) insider of a year. I'm down to about 225 pounds now, but find losing the weight very very difficult since my injuries prevent me from doing anything but low/no impact excercises.
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I'm currently on a high bad, low good diet :neener:
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you wanna talk weight issues?
i'm 6'2, and weigh 160. i take a 31" or 32" waist pants, with 36" inseam. do you know how hard it is to find a pair of dress slacks(for my cap corporate uniform) in that size?
I gotcha beat. 6'1'' here and 115lbs (yes, really 115lbs). I eat just as much ad people who weigh normal amounts but my metabolism is insanley FAST.
I wear 30'' waist - 36" inseam wranglers and if i don't have a belt I'm not gonna keep em on lol. Length is fine but the waist :uhoh
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Hunger, true hunger isn't funny, at all. However I'm always weary of statistics like this. What does "hungry" mean? How is it that obesity and hunger are both issues affecting the poor? Are the fat poor kids stealing the food from the hungry ones? I have been the recipient of food shelf donations as well as a volunteer and now that I have the means, a donor. There are so many programs out there that give assistance to the needy, either with real food or with food "stamps," that I have a hard time believing that the number is as large as they claim on the billboard. I have often had to bite my tongue when I have a family come into the food pantry (often all over-weight) and they go for all the prepackaged foods that are absolute garbage. We often have to throw away the staple foods, flour, beans, rice, canned meats et.c. because the people that frequent the pantry rarely take the foods that would benefit them the most. In my experience, even the poor will often forgo proper nutrition and even entire meals because they lack the skills or, perhaps, the desire to actually cook for themselves. A bag of flour, some yeast and a few other basic, inexpensive ingredients will make a lot of bread. Oh, but wait, it takes a LOT of effort to make bread and it doesn't come in "white" and it isn't presliced. I know! There is the 5 pound bag of brown rice! Sure a little rice goes a long way but it isn't processed, covered in sugar or cheese... Hmmmm I guess the "family" sized box of shells and cheese is a better choice. It's almost completely devoid of nutrition, won't actually feed an American family but heck, all you gots to do is boil water.
Like the saying goes, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." The idea that the only affordable food is fast food is silly. People who believe that need to learn to shop. Clip some coupons! I just went shopping today and coupons got me $110 worth of food for a little over $50 and this is roughly days worth of REAL food for a family of six. Buy basic ingredients instead of prepackaged and processed food. I know, I know I may have to use a knife to cut, or a whisk to mix and, perhaps, more then one pot or pan. I must be a heartless bastage for expecting others to be able to provide for themselves.
Is there real hunger in the United States? There probably is some, but I'd bet a bag of rice that a village or ten in Africa would eat like kings on what those "hungry" few have.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
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A legendary sextuple post! :O
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uumm...we got the point. :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K6Jy7zIC8
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WTF?? Oops... :D
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I had heard the legends and tales of the sixtuple post since I was a young boy, but always thought it was just a myth.
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America is hungry? And America is the most obese country and people in the history of the world. And, obesity increases as wealth decreases, which is to say poor people tend to be fatter. It has to do with diet choices. This is nothing but a political con.
Boo
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America is hungry? And America is the most obese country and people in the history of the world. And, obesity increases as wealth decreases, which is to say poor people tend to be fatter. It has to do with diet choices. This is nothing but a political con.
Boo
It's hard to beg for money for the morbidly obese.
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Hunger, true hunger isn't funny, at all.
First, I can always find some gallows humor in anything. Even death and suffering. Even my own. But I admit I have a pretty dark sense of humor.
I agree with your other points.
I pick up one of those rotisserie chickens at the grocery store and a some veggies to steam in the microwave. Drink water not cokes. I can get 3 high quality meals out of that at ~ $2.60 a meal.
You'll get nothing but crap at McD for $2.60.
I know some may think it cruel, but I think the best thing for America would be for a large percentage of the population to have experienced real, serious deprivation at some point in their lives. It changes they way you think a lot. It hardens you up. It gets your mind focused. It gives work and saving a whole new meaning. It changes your view of value and waste.
Keep in mind, the greatest generation this country ever produced grew up with real deprivation or the constant threat of it.
:salute,
Wab
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
When I was a poor, starving college student working my way thru school I learned 2 important lessons that helped change me from a young liberal, to an older conservative.
One of my jobs was for a retail department store. My job was to manage the pool of flexible workers and match them up to available hours. I learned that there was a ....certain segment of the pool who would only take 20 hrs a week because more interfere with their Government assistance. Stupidly, I'd tried to explain to these people I could get them as many hours as they needed. I could even get them 1.5x overtime. I was universally told to mind my business and give them their 20 hrs.
One of my other jobs was delivering pizza in a part of town that was NOT the green lawn suburbs. We came to dread the first 4 days of the month as 95% of our deliveries were to the nearby Government subsidized housing project. Not only did you expect to get robbed and killed at any moment, but the F'ers must have thought "Tipping" was a city in China. I was always amazed at some of the TVs and stereos I'd see behind opened doors.
:huh,
Wab
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When I was a poor, starving college student working my way thru school I learned 2 important lessons that helped change me from a young liberal, to an older conservative.
One of my jobs was for a retail department store. My job was to manage the pool of flexible workers and match them up to available hours. I learned that there was a ....certain segment of the pool who would only take 20 hrs a week because more interfere with their Government assistance. Stupidly, I'd tried to explain to these people I could get them as many hours as they needed. I could even get them 1.5x overtime. I was universally told to mind my business and give them their 20 hrs.
One of my other jobs was delivering pizza in a part of town that was NOT the green lawn suburbs. We came to dread the first 4 days of the month as 95% of our deliveries were to the nearby Government subsidized housing project. Not only did you expect to get robbed and killed at any moment, but the F'ers must have thought "Tipping" was a city in China. I was always amazed at some of the TVs and stereos I'd see behind opened doors.
:huh,
Wab
I delivered Pizza to a project once only to see one guy shooting another and then ran past me with that big revolver.
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I had something to post like the hungry americans should turn to P.E.T.A. (people eating tasty animals) until I saw phatzo's sig. :O
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When I was a poor, starving college student working my way thru school I learned 2 important lessons that helped change me from a young liberal, to an older conservative.
One of my jobs was for a retail department store. My job was to manage the pool of flexible workers and match them up to available hours. I learned that there was a ....certain segment of the pool who would only take 20 hrs a week because more interfere with their Government assistance. Stupidly, I'd tried to explain to these people I could get them as many hours as they needed. I could even get them 1.5x overtime. I was universally told to mind my business and give them their 20 hrs.
One of my other jobs was delivering pizza in a part of town that was NOT the green lawn suburbs. We came to dread the first 4 days of the month as 95% of our deliveries were to the nearby Government subsidized housing project. Not only did you expect to get robbed and killed at any moment, but the F'ers must have thought "Tipping" was a city in China. I was always amazed at some of the TVs and stereos I'd see behind opened doors.
:huh,
Wab
as soon as those people told me to mind my own business and give them their 20 hours.......THOSE would have been the people getting the most hours. till they got fired for not showing up anyway.
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Feed the homeless to the hungry. 2 problems solved at once.
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Temple of the Dog ftw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjNjJR9jUGo
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as soon as those people told me to mind my own business and give them their 20 hours.......THOSE would have been the people getting the most hours. till they got fired for not showing up anyway.
If I had my druthers....
But thats not the way it worked. It was more like an internal temp agency. They weren't obligated to take any hours. They worked as many or few, when they wanted.
On the other hand, we weren't obligated to provide them any hours (or benefits). That was useful in a cyclical retail enviroment. It alows the company to trim capacity when needed without the hassle and legal risk of firings or layoffs. We simply wouldn't have hours available that week. Ask again next week.
Wab
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below, some hungry people.. or stupid:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNeNTMmltyc&feature=autoplay&list=PL59A79F5BDE6DC36F&index=18&playnext=2
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I wonder what they define "Struggles with Hunger" as?
read the rest of the billboard. its a sign about feeding the poorer people of america who cant get food.
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I struggled with hunger myself last night...
It was a choice between the original recipe double or the Zinger one from KFC; I got both.
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Temple of the Dog ftw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjNjJR9jUGo
Their whole album is loaded with great songs. If you don't have it, check it out!
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read the rest of the billboard. its a sign about feeding the poorer people of america who cant get food.
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This is the crux of the issue. Get outside of your bubble and look at true poverty in America(or elsewhere) and you won't find this funny any more. Better yet, try living it for a time.
Here's the issue I have with that, if you start taking every issue so seriously, you'll end up depressed. I think it's healthy to laugh at serious issues (at the right time), for many, it's a way to cope with the stresses of a modern world. Laughing at something doesn't mean you don't understand the issue or have a concern for it.
Done correctly, laughter is a very powerful thing.
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Here's the issue I have with that, if you start taking every issue so seriously, you'll end up depressed. I think it's healthy to laugh at serious issues (at the right time), for many, it's a way to cope with the stresses of a modern world. Laughing at something doesn't mean you don't understand the issue or have a concern for it.
Done correctly, laughter is a very powerful thing.
People use laughter to cope with tragedy just as much as they do tears.
That was pretty funny stuff though. The weight loss website I used loved it.
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It's after the first of the month and the crisis is over. All of the formerly hungry people are at Walmart loading up on tv dinners and ice cream.
Dont forget tater chips, soda, and snack cakes
Ever have someone with food stamps going thought the checkout with about $40 worth of ground beef stating they they are going to feed it to their dogs since the state gives them free money? :mad:
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A legendary sextuple post! :O
haha! :rofl
This sounds as though you helped write the script for "A Christmas Story"
Boo
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...Laughing at something doesn't mean you don't understand the issue or have a concern for it.
Done correctly, laughter is a very powerful thing.
Oh I agree entirely, and I've got a pretty dark and twisted sense of humor. That being said, I wasn't convinced that many of the posters actually understand these issues, based on the language they were using; hence, my statement.
Regarding Skuzzy's input, yes this is my day job. I manage a food security + ag. development program in East Africa, which obviously is not America. However, people struggle with this issue everywhere, and there are few things more serious. Just my opinion.
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Oh I agree entirely, and I've got a pretty dark and twisted sense of humor. That being said, I wasn't convinced that many of the posters actually understand these issues, based on the language they were using; hence, my statement.
Regarding Skuzzy's input, yes this is my day job. I manage a food security + ag. development program in East Africa, which obviously is not America. However, people struggle with this issue everywhere, and there are few things more serious. Just my opinion.
I think the title says it all, "1 in 6 Americans"
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Irony is wasted on the ignorant. :aok
I was thinking you'd say "tasteless" but you went all nonlinear on me.
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I was thinking you'd say "tasteless" but you went all nonlinear on me.
This thread is rather emaciating. :noid
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OMG get real people.
If this "Were" true then it would be very sad and disturbing. However.. lets do a real quick reality check here.
Everybody look around you for the entire day... if this is true it means that out of every 6 people you see 1 is malnourshed or starving.
OK... so lets hear about all the hundreds of starving people you saw today.
And if you actually believe that these statistics on this ad are anywhere near correct then that begs the question...
Why are they hungry, starving or malnourshed? Is it because they are making poor choices or are they actually a product of our Evil American Culture and are being ignored and nothing is being done to provide for their situation?
At my age, and after having lived in most of the Civilized world and a good bit of the Uncivilized world it is my observation that anybody that goes hungry in America does so by their own choice not because they cant find food.
Later,
KayBay
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The billboard is from an organization called "Feeding America." That stat is from a survey by the USDA Economic Research Service in 2007. The survey defines "food security" and how that pertains to the study.
The survey also states that 89% of American households were "food secure" throughout the entire year of 2007 and 4.1% had very low food security meaning "that the food intake of one or more adults was reduced and their eating patterns were disrupted at times during the year because the household lacked money and other resources for food."
IMO, the 1 in 6 is a generalization of the issue. It should be noted that "food insecure" could also be defined as not having access to a well balanced meal because of money. Given this was a mailed out survey, you have to take into account who and why people filled out this survey. Is poverty in America an issue, sure, are 1 in 6 Americans going hungry, no I don't believe so.
http://feedingamerica.org/
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/ERR66/ERR66.pdf
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This thread is rather emaciating. :noid
Q: What do you call a hungry American with buck-teeth.
A: A rake.
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If one out of three Americans are obese, and one out of six Americans are starving, then why not make every fat person give every skinny person half a sandwich? We'd all be healthier.
:aok
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If one out of three Americans are obese, and one out of six Americans are starving, then why not make every fat person give every skinny person half a sandwich? We'd all be healthier.
:aok
lol........some of us like to be skinny.
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lol........some of us like to be skinny.
Then give me back my sandwich.
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Then give me back my sandwich.
:rofl
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OMG get real people.
If this "Were" true then it would be very sad and disturbing. However.. lets do a real quick reality check here.
Everybody look around you for the entire day... if this is true it means that out of every 6 people you see 1 is malnourshed or starving.
OK... so lets hear about all the hundreds of starving people you saw today.
And if you actually believe that these statistics on this ad are anywhere near correct then that begs the question...
Why are they hungry, starving or malnourshed? Is it because they are making poor choices or are they actually a product of our Evil American Culture and are being ignored and nothing is being done to provide for their situation?
At my age, and after having lived in most of the Civilized world and a good bit of the Uncivilized world it is my observation that anybody that goes hungry in America does so by their own choice not because they cant find food.
Later,
KayBay
So, in your opinion they don;t exist, but if they did exist you know for sure it is due to their bad choices.
Please enlighten us on how a 2 year old made the choice and what was the choice he or she made?
Anyone wonder why I have 0 respect for so called adults? :lol
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Everybody look around you for the entire day... if this is true it means that out of every 6 people you see 1 is malnourshed or starving.
OK... so lets hear about all the hundreds of starving people you saw today.
OMG! Dude you are right. I looked around in the conference room earlier and saw 4 Indians and a Greek. That means that the population of the United States in 80% Indian and 20% Greek :O
Unless you are born in it, you will not see them. They don;t seem to leave in 5 bedroom 6 bath homes you know.
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Just when I thought the attitudes couldn't get any worse on these forums... creating jokes about the hungry?
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Just when I thought the attitudes couldn't get any worse on these forums... creating jokes about the hungry?
Seems to be acceptable behavior :rolleyes:
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The comments in this thread disturb me greatly. I can't believe so many make fun of those less fortunate. There are those that say that Americans are obese? Is that to assume that all of us are? And all of those that are hungry could benefit from not eating? Shame, just a shame. Last time I looked around here, the obese are a minority, not to be even brought up here. But the hungery are all around. Next time you joke, I hope you make fun of your own situation. I doubt you will, it isn't any fun.
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The comments in this thread disturb me greatly. I can't believe so many make fun of those less fortunate. There are those that say that Americans are obese? Is that to assume that all of us are? And all of those that are hungry could benefit from not eating? Shame, just a shame. Last time I looked around here, the obese are a minority, not to be even brought up here. But the hungery are all around. Next time you joke, I hope you make fun of your own situation. I doubt you will, it isn't any fun.
Just wait till their down on their luck, then well see who has the last laugh.
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Just wait till their down on their luck, then well see who has the last laugh.
Well, you all seem to be making the (unfounded) suppostion thaat, in the US, poverty and hunger correlate.
Here's a lit butt for the rattler pile: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040105071229.htm
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3 million give or take 304 million-ish.
lol... Roughly 300 million. Changes the math a bit. Don't it.
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The social safety net that has been erected over the last forty-five years makes it almost impossible for anyone who is down on their luck to not qualify for some sort of public or charity assistance. It would seem that anyone who would go hungry does so either from ignorance of the system or pride.
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The social safety net that has been erected over the last forty-five years makes it almost impossible for anyone who is down on their luck to not qualify for some sort of public or charity assistance. It would seem that anyone who would go hungry does so either from ignorance of the system or pride.
Right, and if you look at my link above, you'll see that obesity actually correlates with poverty. Mind, no one has posited causation, but to my mind this is part and parcel of the same problem you'll see if you take a drive down Mt. Elliott in Day-twa, for example. There's lots of stuff there, all in a state of horrible, unblinking, uncaring, uncomprehending neglect.
Of course, some will say that this is a second-person problem - the poor tend obese because they haven't been properly taught. I ask, if person A's state is the responsibility of Person B, who is then responsible for Person B? Or, is this not a formula for asymmetry; dependency on one side and obligation on the other? How can that square with equality before the law as an individual, a fundament of Western legal tradition - never mind individual responsibility?
I pose that all as a philosophical question - related to problem solving, not as political prescription, of which I've been careful to offer none. I don't really care t ofix this mess since Ididn't make it. Kipling has already promised it a healthy does of terror and slaughter.
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Right, and if you look at my link above, you'll see that obesity actually correlates with poverty. Mind, no one has posited causation, but to my mind this is part and parcel of the same problem you'll see if you take a drive down Mt. Elliott in Day-twa, for example. There's lots of stuff there, all in a state of horrible, unblinking, uncaring, uncomprehending neglect.
Of course, some will say that this is a second-person problem - the poor tend obese because they haven't been properly taught. I ask, if person A's state is the responsibility of Person B, who is then responsible for Person B? Or, is this not a formula for asymmetry; dependency on one side and obligation on the other? How can that square with equality before the law as an individual, a fundament of Western legal tradition - never mind individual responsibility?
I pose that all as a philosophical question - related to problem solving, not as political prescription, of which I've been careful to offer none. I don't really care t ofix this mess since Ididn't make it. Kipling has already promised it a healthy does of terror and slaughter.
My experience is that its a combo of ignorance and time.
Many of the working poor have more than 1 job, and effectively work much more than 40 hours a week (although not 40 hours at either job), and thus "quick" on the go food like McDonalds is chosen option. Also, many don't know or don't care that their chosen diet is bad.
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Right, and if you look at my link above, you'll see that obesity actually correlates with poverty. Mind, no one has posited causation, but to my mind this is part and parcel of the same problem you'll see if you take a drive down Mt. Elliott in Day-twa, for example. There's lots of stuff there, all in a state of horrible, unblinking, uncaring, uncomprehending neglect.
Of course, some will say that this is a second-person problem - the poor tend obese because they haven't been properly taught. I ask, if person A's state is the responsibility of Person B, who is then responsible for Person B? Or, is this not a formula for asymmetry; dependency on one side and obligation on the other? How can that square with equality before the law as an individual, a fundament of Western legal tradition - never mind individual responsibility?
I pose that all as a philosophical question - related to problem solving, not as political prescription, of which I've been careful to offer none. I don't really care t ofix this mess since Ididn't make it. Kipling has already promised it a healthy does of terror and slaughter.
Add relinquishing people from the responsibility of their own health and the problem redoubles....
We are reduced to a two tiered society of providers and entitled. The providers become the enslaved of the entitled up until the point where the providers give up and join the entitled. At which time society collapses...
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damn... almost had ya :lol
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Add relinquishing people from the responsibility of their own health and the problem redoubles....
We are reduced to a two tiered society of providers and entitled. The providers become the enslaved of the entitled up until the point where the providers give up and join the entitled. At which time society collapses...
So your mind, everyone with jobs makes more than enough money?
What about people who do work but they can't get jobs that provide enough income, are they "the providers" or are they "the entitled"?
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So your mind, everyone with jobs makes more than enough money?
What about people who do work but they can't get jobs that provide enough income, are they "the providers" or are they "the entitled"?
Sounds to me that you have already decided that they are entitled.
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Sounds to me that you have already decided that they are entitled.
Ahh, I get it, so humans have no worth and everyone in need is expendable as they drag you down. Well I hope you shoot yourself in the face when your down on your luck because you'll just be burden on the rest of us and worthless too.
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I apologize if it appears I was taking hunger lightly but in fact I question those stats and don't believe 50 MILLION Americans fight hunger. My own town is typical, and we have a population of 15,000 people. Breakfast and lunch is provided daily to schoolchildren form underpaid or poor people. We have an active food bank supported generously by the community, We have two shelters that provide hot meals every evening. As a matter of fact I have yet to hear of a single person dying of starvation due to unavailability of food in my community, nor an any other, not counting willful cruelty that results in starvation of a victim.
I would really like the people who believe 50 million Americans go hungry to site their sources for arriving at those statistics...all I saw was a highway sign stating that as fact but call me skeptical, I'm not buying it. Please, show me your unbiased links.
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Ahh, I get it, so humans have no worth and everyone in need is expendable as they drag you down. Well I hope you shoot yourself in the face when your down on your luck because you'll just be burden on the rest of us and worthless too.
Ardy, I guess we'd look at it the other way. Everyone has inherent worth and is therefore not to be considered a vehicle for the provision of another's wants/needs. That leaves individual, voluntary charity an entirely individual choice - and one many in the US choose to support at the most generous levels.
As for your wish, it's a little, uh, hyperbolic at best, unhinged at worst.
See, a big part of the problem for the working poor is that they're also "helped". Consider blockbusting in the 60's. It was intended to "help" yet destroyed property values and the very neighborhoods of most of those people - the Mt. Elliott I cite being one of them. I say think - and take a look at some of the unintended consequences of some of the policies of transfer.
Besides, you never addressed the asymmetry issue - an issue that, contrary to your stated value that all have value, places some (the receivers) at a higher value than those placed as subservient to them (the providers). If you want to argue this issue, I'd deal with that - rather than resorting to some sort of emotional-appeal sleight of hand that has, as premise, some supposition that compelled transfer payments equal compassion or helping. That's demonstrably untrue in many cases.
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Ardy, I guess we'd look at it the other way. Everyone has inherent worth and is therefore not to be considered a vehicle for the provision of another's wants/needs. That leaves individual, voluntary charity an entirely individual choice - and one many in the US choose to support at the most generous levels.
As for your wish, it's a little, uh, hyperbolic at best, unhinged at worst.
See, a big part of the problem for the working poor is that they're also "helped". Consider blockbusting in the 60's. It was intended to "help" yet destroyed property values and the very neighborhoods of most of those people - the Mt. Elliott I cite being one of them. I say think - and take a look at some of the unintended consequences of some of the policies of transfer.
Besides, you never addressed the asymmetry issue - an issue that, contrary to your stated value that all have value, places some (the receivers) at a higher value than those placed as subservient to them (the providers). If you want to argue this issue, I'd deal with that - rather than resorting to some sort of emotional-appeal sleight of hand that has, as premise, some supposition that compelled transfer payments equal compassion or helping. That's demonstrably untrue in many cases.
Well put.
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KayBayRay,
Where is my answer?
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See, a big part of the problem for the working poor is that they're also "helped". Consider blockbusting in the 60's. It was intended to "help" yet destroyed property values and the very neighborhoods of most of those people - the Mt. Elliott I cite being one of them. I say think - and take a look at some of the unintended consequences of some of the policies of transfer.
Block busting was not intended to 'help' people (unless your a land developer), it was all about tapping into peoples racism and scaring them into selling their houses for less than their worth by telling them that ethnic minorities were moving in. Yes, it started because the government allowed neighborhoods to not be racially segregated, but the loss in property value and peoples reactions were based in racism and nothing else. I would argue that it illustrated how racist our parents &/or grand parents were more than anything else.
Besides, you never addressed the asymmetry issue - an issue that, contrary to your stated value that all have value, places some (the receivers) at a higher value than those placed as subservient to them (the providers). If you want to argue this issue, I'd deal with that - rather than resorting to some sort of emotional-appeal sleight of hand that has, as premise, some supposition that compelled transfer payments equal compassion or helping. That's demonstrably untrue in many cases.
I don't believe it places the receivers above the providers, we all live in a society, in my case American society, and at a certain level we are in it together, so instead of taking the attitude, "I have mine, screw you", we all benefit from a little compassion towards one-another or more importantly doing what we can to not leave members of our group behind. Now I am not advocating for encouraging others to "milk" the system, but there is quite a lot of gray area between enabling others too "milk" the system and helping others get off their feet.
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Block busting was not intended to 'help' people (unless your a land developer), it was all about tapping into peoples racism and scaring them into selling their houses for less than their worth by telling them that ethnic minorities were moving in. Yes, it started because the government allowed neighborhoods to not be racially segregated, but the loss in property value and peoples reactions were based in racism and nothing else. I would argue that it illustrated how racist our parents &/or grand parents were more than anything else.
I don't believe it places the receivers above the providers, we all live in a society, in my case American society, and at a certain level we are in it together, so instead of taking the attitude, "I have mine, screw you", we all benefit from a little compassion towards one-another or more importantly doing what we can to not leave members of our group behind. Now I am not advocating for encouraging others to "milk" the system, but there is quite a lot of gray area between enabling others too "milk" the system and helping others get off their feet.
Exactly, and instead of trying to pull everything away because some milk the system, I'd like to see people not to put every one in the same category and start calling for going after the milkers instead of calling for taking benefits away.
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Block busting was not intended to 'help' people (unless your a land developer), it was all about tapping into peoples racism and scaring them into selling their houses for less than their worth by telling them that ethnic minorities were moving in. Yes, it started because the government allowed neighborhoods to not be racially segregated, but the loss in property value and peoples reactions were based in racism and nothing else. I would argue that it illustrated how racist our parents &/or grand parents were more than anything else.
I don't believe it places the receivers above the providers, we all live in a society, in my case American society, and at a certain level we are in it together, so instead of taking the attitude, "I have mine, screw you", we all benefit from a little compassion towards one-another or more importantly doing what we can to not leave members of our group behind. Now I am not advocating for encouraging others to "milk" the system, but there is quite a lot of gray area between enabling others too "milk" the system and helping others get off their feet.
The intent of block busting is not at issue. Would it have made a difference if the intent were pure? This gets at the heart of my point - and one I'm not sure you grasp. A number of redistributive /helping people programs are sold based on intent. I'm not buying, precisely because of their unintended consequences.
Now, you want to talk in generalities about "helping people" and I say that anytime you inject your "intent" into the political arena, politics WILL corrupt the cash flow (sso best to keep the cash out of it). Understand, the devil is in the details here. Understand, also, the poor tend not to be well-connected or have much access to lobbyists. That's why there's a line of well-heeled sharpies who purport to represent them, none of whom do, who continue to siphon large cash flows while you continue to speak in fuzzy generalities about helping people. Understand this: you/I/anyone will never see more than pittance wages from the carpetbagger. There's a reason for that.
In short, private charities have excelllent pass-through rates. Too bad the federal government can't say the same. I've worked both for and with them. You simply don't understand from whence they come.
As for racism in block-busting: No. You can't bolster the fuzzily advanced cause you cite. Here's what happened - and still happens to some extent today in Section 8 housing: the Federal Government subsidizes people from low-income areas to move into better-income areas. Inevitably, the crime rates increase in the transplant areas. Then people begin to flee, abandoning what was a better neighborhood to become, once again, a low-income area. This begs the question: is the environment a product of the inhabitants or vice-versa? The other embarassment was HUD's creation of entire neighborhoods, most of which became crime foci and destroyed local property values before themselves being destroyed (because infested with criminals - nand who doesn't consider "the projects" to be undesirable?).
See for their latest screw-up, e.g., http://www.statebrief.com/briefblog/2011/02/21/the-feds%E2%80%99-destruction-of-our-home-values/ This last documents the history of the Fed's involvement/near mandate of high-risk mortgages - the underwriting of which was root cause of the recent real estate bubble and bust.
So, go ahead and talk about helping and feeling all you want. Facts are what count. You need to sharpen your argument. What, exactly, are you advocating?
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I don't believe it places the receivers above the providers, we all live in a society, in my case American society, and at a certain level we are in it together, so instead of taking the attitude, "I have mine, screw you", we all benefit from a little compassion towards one-another or more importantly doing what we can to not leave members of our group behind. Now I am not advocating for encouraging others to "milk" the system, but there is quite a lot of gray area between enabling others too "milk" the system and helping others get off their feet.
I agree with everything you said as long as this is all on a voluntary basis. Forced redistribution DOES place us all in the two categories of the providers and the entitled.
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I agree with everything you said as long as this is all on a voluntary basis. Forced redistribution DOES place us all in the two categories of the providers and the entitled.
Right, I don't have a screw them attitude. In fact, I recently stepped down from a little side role I had as President of a 501C3. We raised, in one event last year, 4k for the Hati Nursing Foundation. Some people/institutions are good investments - but I reserve the right to make my own call on the matter. This is where I and the Feds seem to part company.
Compelled virtue is no virtue at all. Indeed, what is it making of those who compel? They're all about giving, so long as somebody is "gving" to them. Where's the reciprocity?
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In short, private charities have excelllent pass-through rates. Too bad the federal government can't say the same. I've worked both for and with them. You simply don't understand from whence they come.
I agree with everything you said as long as this is all on a voluntary basis. Forced redistribution DOES place us all in the two categories of the providers and the entitled.
You do realize that many charities also rely partially on government grants, which are paid for by all of us paying taxes, which is "forced redistribution". And yes, although 4k helps, it's very little considering the damage caused the the amount of people in need in the Haiti disaster.
See for their latest screw-up, e.g., http://www.statebrief.com/briefblog/2011/02/21/the-feds%E2%80%99-destruction-of-our-home-values/ This last documents the history of the Fed's
Nope, that was caused by the feds allowing banks to have much higher leverage ratios, yet for political reasons, people try to twist it to fit their political agenda.
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You do realize that many charities also rely partially on government grants, which are paid for by all of us paying taxes, which is "forced redistribution". And yes, although 4k helps, it's very little considering the damage caused the the amount of people in need in the Haiti disaster.
Nope, that was caused by the feds allowing banks to have much higher leverage ratios, yet for political reasons, people try to twist it to fit their political agenda.
Your first sentence evades the point. Your second: how much did you send, if you're in a mood to be critical of me?
See, asymmetrical. I didn't do enough, per your statement. I'm sorry, sire. Perhaps I should slave harder while you play.
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Your first sentence evades the point. Your second: how much did you send, if you're in a mood to be critical of me?
See, asymmetrical. I didn't do enough, per your statement. I'm sorry, sire. Perhaps I should slave harder while you play.
lol, the irony, you evade my point completely, yet call me out for 'evading'.
and no, it was not a contest on giving, it was to point out that individuals although help, sadly cannot or won't necessary on their own, donate enough to put a stop the problem, as for them, donations are more about making them 'feel good' or bolstering their ego, than actually helping solve a problem.
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lol, the irony, you evade my point completely, yet call me out for 'evading'.
and no, it was not a contest on giving, it was to point out that individuals although help, sadly cannot or won't necessary on their own, donate enough to put a stop the problem, as for them, donations are more about making them 'feel good' or bolstering their ego, than actually helping solve a problem.
First, you might want to understand the meaning of irony - it's when literal and figurative are opposed. Second, the point was that virtue compelled isn't virtue at all, though I recognize your attempt to obfuscate here by making the spurious claim that government is the backbone of charity. Rather it functions often to displace charity. There's significant evidence that government funding tends to displace giving and/or private fundraisng when applied. Again, you posit something in general terms without any apparent burden of fact or education.
First, the raw numbers on American giving. It's huge: http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/a-nation-of-givers
I'll cite an academic study on the crowding-out phenomenon so that you can ignore it and retain your unclouded and fuzzy opinion: http://econ.ucsd.edu/~jandreon/Publications/AER03-A&P.pdf
As for your fatuous dismissal of giver's motives, can you read donors bones as well? How do you make such a statement? Try a little experiment some time: donate something. Then you will know the motive in at least one case.
Again, I'm struck by the true irony here: the non-contributor setting terms for the contributor: the figurative meaning in opposition to the literal. Asymmetry... What else can I get you today, Sire?
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First, you might want to understand the meaning of irony - it's when literal and figurative are opposed. Second, the point was that virtue compelled isn't virtue at all, though I recognize your attempt to obfuscate here by making the spurious claim that government is the backbone of charity. Rather it functions often to displace charity. There's significant evidence that government funding tends to displace giving and/or private fundraisng when applied. Again, you posit something in general terms without any apparent burden of education.
First, the raw numbers on American giving. It's huge: http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/a-nation-of-givers
I'll cite an academic study on the crowding-out phenomenon so that you can ignore it and retain your unclouded and fuzzy opinion: http://econ.ucsd.edu/~jandreon/Publications/AER03-A&P.pdf
As for your fatuous dismissal of giver's motives, can you read donors bones as well? How do you make such a statement? Try a little experiment some time: grow up, learn something, become gainfully employed, then donate something. Then you will know the motive in at least one case.
I'll tell you what is totally asymmetrical: arguing with a 15 year old. Don't try to tell me I'm far off.
Care to give us a summary of that study? It looks LOOOOONG!
-Penguin
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First, you might want to understand the meaning of irony - it's when literal and figurative are opposed. Second, the point was that virtue compelled isn't virtue at all, though I recognize your attempt to obfuscate here by making the spurious claim that government is the backbone of charity. Rather it functions often to displace charity. There's significant evidence that government funding tends to displace giving and/or private fundraisng when applied. Again, you posit something in general terms without any apparent burden of education.
First, the raw numbers on American giving. It's huge: http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/a-nation-of-givers
I'll cite an academic study on the crowding-out phenomenon so that you can ignore it and retain your unclouded and fuzzy opinion: http://econ.ucsd.edu/~jandreon/Publications/AER03-A&P.pdf
As for your fatuous dismissal of giver's motives, can you read donors bones as well? How do you make such a statement? Try a little experiment some time: grow up, learn something, become gainfully employed, then donate something. Then you will know the motive in at least one case.
I'll tell you what is totally asymmetrical: arguing with a 15 year old. Don't try to tell me I'm far off.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Must have struck a cord with you.. feeling threatened?
Now your trying to pull the age/job card and have resorted to personal insults... The funny part is I probably make more money than you and am also twice that age.
Too bad your reference "The American" is a known clearly biased news outlet, It would be like me quoting "The Huffington Post" to prove my point.
You've shown your face, I'm moving on... have fun little angry one, come back when you get your head out of your poop shoot.
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Care to give us a summary of that study? It looks LOOOOONG!
-Penguin
That's why there's a section labeled "Conclusion". In sum, they find two effects: the org tends to cut back on solicitation when they get government funds and givers tend to give less as well. In short, what's going on is that the elevation of charitable administration by government tends to displace it from the local arena thus.
This has the added impact of making it more distant, less acountable, no doubt. But then, that's part of the reason.
Do a little thought experiment: 3.7T... deduct $650B for defense. Round to $3T. That's enough money to provide a $60k income for 50Million people - 16% of the population of the US. Last I checked, that income level is well above poverty level. The official number of poor in the US is about 40M, many co-occur in the same family. So where's all that money going? Don't look at defense - we already deducted it. Think about it. Then go look. It's publicly available. But please don't anyone tell me it goes to the poor. Most does NOT.
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That's why there's a section labeled "Conclusion". In sum, they find two effects: the org tends to cut back on solicitation when they get government funds and givers tend to give less as well. In short, what's going on is that the elevation of charitable administration by government tends to displace it from the local arena thus.
This has the added impact of making it more distant, less acountable, no doubt. But then, that's part of the reason.
Do a little thought experiment: 3.7T... deduct $650B for defense. Round to $3T. That's enough money to provide a $60k income for 50Million people - 16% of the population of the US. Last I checked, that income level is well above poverty level. The official number of poor in the US is about 40M, many co-occur in the same family. So where's all that money going? Don't look at defense - we already deducted it. Think about it. Then go look. It's publicly available. But please don't anyone tell me it goes to the poor. Most does NOT.
break down the US budget.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
Must have struck a cord with you.. feeling threatened?
Now your trying to pull the age/job card and have resorted to personal insults... The funny part is I probably make more money than you and am also twice that age.
Nice try, but running up the white flag (or posing, for that matter) isn't going to work. You see, the source you can possibly impeach but there facts are easily verifiable. Try this one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19409188/ns/us_news-giving/
record 300B in 2007..
or this one: http://www.npt.org/philanthropy/philanthropy_stats.asp
I could go on. Once again, you are unburdened by fact. Go ahead, fly away, little bird. All I can say is, if you make more than me, somebody's paying waaaay too much for someone with no discernible skill in research - and little verve in argumentation. Good luck with life, kid. It ain't Aces High.
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break down the US budget.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png)
Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040. Care to interpret?
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Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040. Care to interpret?
I could go on. Once again, you are unburdened by fact. Go ahead, fly away, little bird. All I can say is, if you make more than me, somebody's paying waaaay too much for someone with no discernible skill in research - and little verve in argumentation. Good luck with life, kid. It ain't Aces High.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Of you go running your mouth cuz you don't like what I have to say :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
If I'm a kid, you are an intellectual infant resorting to insults...
cry me a river baby! cry away!
wha wha whaaaaaaaa shut up 'kid' wha wha whaaaaaaaaaaa
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry you don't agree with me :cry :cry :cry you must be a kid :cry :cry :cry :cry
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Good job. you've looked something up. That data is posted every year on a little something called a 1040. Care to interpret?
Here, Ill help. Fully half the pie there goes to SS and MM. Medicaid is the only part of that that even licks at the sac of means-testing. Social Security laregly goes to older people, yet they're the wealthiest contingent, age-group wise. Not saying that's wrong -they paid in, after all. However, it might be time to rethink defined benefit in favor of defined contribution on that one, especially given the inverted pyramid of age we're facing. Discretionary, of course, is the little chunk everyone argues about because the entitlements cited before are more or less impossible to change. Keep your eye on that interest number, for it will esxpand radically because of two primary effects: ballooning deficits and ballooning inflation. Remember those debt buybacks? See Quantitative Easing...
Your world is about to change. How funny is that?
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Here, Ill help. Fully half the pie there goes to SS and MM. Medicaid is the only part of that that even licks at the sac of means-testing. Social Security laregly goes to older people, yet they're the wealthiest contingent, age-group wise. Not saying that's wrong -they paid in, after all. However, it might be time to rethink defined benefit in favor of defined contribution on that one, especially given the inverted pyramid of age we're facing. Discretionary, of course, is the little chunk everyone argues about because the entitlements cited before are more or less impossible to change. Keep your eye on that interest number, for it will esxpand radically because of two primary effects: ballooning deficits and ballooning inflation. Remember those debt buybacks? See Quantitative Easing...
Your world is about to change. How funny is that?
Despite your worthless attempt to insult again...
We are in agreement about the above quote at least :aok
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Of you go running your mouth cuz you don't like what I have to say :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
and so on...
It's not that you disagree with me. It's that you argue with icons and opinions. I don't know educated people who do that. There are rules to debate of which you seem unaware. When I correct you, it's actually serious - for example, on your general assertions or your incorrect statement about irony. It seemed fundamentally unserious. I suppose you could be older than 15 - Ill concede you that. The only reason I threw that out here was in attempt to get you to focus on the issue instead of turning it into a p*ssing contest.
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Despite your worthless attempt to insult again...
We are in agreement about the above quote at least :aok
No,no... There was no insult there. Understand, I'm playing the ball here, not the man.
And, I'll add here, if you are 30, guess what, you're going to be the unlucky one holding the bag on this crap in 20 years or so - when the whole thing goes totally insolvent. I'll have already cashed out and will prbably be in warmer climes by then.
I'm just telling you, my generation, and even more so yours, has been sold a huge bait-and-switch by a pack of either fools or truly evil muthahforgivers. The worst part is, it was sold in appeal to what is genuinely good in most people. Their real shortcoming was they didn't check the facts. good intentions...
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for example, on your general assertions or your incorrect statement about irony.
That was the most important part of the discussion..... the fact I should have said "Hypocrisy" instead of "irony".
and no, you started to fling insults because you became frustrated, nothing more, nothing less...
As for grants, if you want facts here....
here is one that mildly correlates to OP initial post about hunger
"Emergency Food and Shelter National Board Program"
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That was the most important part of the discussion..... the fact I should have said "Hypocrisy" instead of "irony".
and no, you started to fling insults because you became frustrated, nothing more, nothing less...
I won't deny some frustration.
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This thread is finally starting to get some meat on its bones. :noid
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This thread is finally starting to get some meat on its bones. :noid
a virtual smorgasboard
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I apologize if it appears I was taking hunger lightly but in fact I question those stats and don't believe 50 MILLION Americans fight hunger. My own town is typical, and we have a population of 15,000 people. Breakfast and lunch is provided daily to schoolchildren form underpaid or poor people. We have an active food bank supported generously by the community, We have two shelters that provide hot meals every evening. As a matter of fact I have yet to hear of a single person dying of starvation due to unavailability of food in my community, nor an any other, not counting willful cruelty that results in starvation of a victim.
I would really like the people who believe 50 million Americans go hungry to site their sources for arriving at those statistics...all I saw was a highway sign stating that as fact but call me skeptical, I'm not buying it. Please, show me your unbiased links.
Exactly!
BTW is this my thread? I was going for humor.
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You people making fun of this will eat your words.
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I forgot was I was reading thanks to seeing phatzo's sig :O
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Sadly, Ardy sort of won me over by his thumbs up on my impromptu budgetary thing and his willingness to be serious. Before that, I was just getting irritated, in the way men of my advancing age tend (hey, my heart rate is still in the low 40's and I have all my hair...). So, the impetus is lost - and, Ardy, my apologies for getting all "grumpy fortyish dude" on you.
As for the hunger thing, send 'em all to Gaucho's Brazilian steakhouse. I keep thinking about that place since the wife and I went the other w/e. It's kind of a meatfest and the operational model is very well thought out. For those not knowing, they basically spit several large slabs of meat and grill them S. American style. Each meatstick-carrying "Gaucho" then dispenses his particular spit to the patrons via menacing-looking knives and tongs. That may sound overtone-laden but it works. Operationally, I believe this has an advantage because the menu is invariable - they make the same thing every night. The only risk is tht some will go to waste. However, food is nothing in that operation compared to the staff and fixed costs, so they've minimized their risk and complexity. This appears to have paid off in the quality department since everything was fresh, relatively simple, and very good. The building and decor were new and offered a lot of natural lighting and didn't have any off-putting dinginess of the type that makes you wonder. As far as I know, there is only one location in Northville, MI but I suspect the model is set up for prolifertion (soon). Pricing is about 50 a head, which is reasonable, given the content and quality. I typically don't eat much during the day and this works for me. I can really mow the place down and expect to be back there soon - and I WILL BE HUNGRY.
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You people making fun of this will eat your words.
What are you, starving for attention or something? :D
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What are you, starving for attention or something? :D
Something eatin at you? :bolt:
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Something's eating him? That's a hard one to swallow, er, stomach...
(http://img691.imageshack.us/i/240pxagdlecard.jpg/)
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I'm starting to think these puns are intentional and I for one am having trouble digesting their tastelessness.
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I'm starting to think these puns are intentional and I'm having trouble digesting their tastelessness.
Yeah, but don't forget, 1 in 6 Americans are hungry... Hungry for cheap laughs, that is.
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Something's eating him? That's a hard one to swallow, er, stomach...
(http://img691.imageshack.us/i/240pxagdlecard.jpg/)
Ghouls. :devil
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sometimes it take a thread like this to open ones eyes to our "real" community we have here, it's pathetic the way some talk and act, i hope none of you ever have to go throught it, no one should, that's all i have to add to this
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Something's eating him? That's a hard one to swallow, er, stomach...
Ya know you didnt have to use 2 things there. You just ruined it for someone else.Your just egging people on here.
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Ya know you didnt have to use 2 things there. You just ruined it for someone else.Your just egging people on here.
When making a good pun there is little margarine for error.
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When making a good pun there is little margarine for error.
You have yet to make a good pun.Your still playing ketchup.
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sometimes it take a thread like this to open ones eyes to our "real" community we have here, it's pathetic the way some talk and act, i hope none of you ever have to go throught it, no one should, that's all i have to add to this
(http://www.theqit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/chris-crocker.jpg)
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You have yet to make a good pun.Your still playing ketchup.
Hey now, I resent that. I relish in the greatness of my buns, I mean puns.
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Well done everyone, what a medium to see such rare punnage.
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What this country needs is more Hot Cross Puns...
Hot cross puns,
Hot cross puns,
one ha' penny,
two ha' penny,
hot cross puns.
If you have no daughters,
give them to your sons,
one ha' penny,
two ha' penny,
Hot Cross Puns
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(http://www.theqit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/chris-crocker.jpg)
you feel better now? you just proved the point i was making, everythings a big laugh till it hits home, and honestly i hope it hits home for you real soon
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you feel better now? you just proved the point i was making, everythings a big laugh till it hits home, and honestly i hope it hits home for you real soon
1 in 6 Americans are too poor to eat well.
The poor in America also have a high incidence of unwanted pregnacy.
Might I suggest a "Modest Proposal"?
http://emotionalliteracyeducation.com/classic_books_online/mdprp10.htm (http://emotionalliteracyeducation.com/classic_books_online/mdprp10.htm)
[edit: for the ADHD types]
I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance
in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year
old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether
stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it
will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.
:noid
Wab
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you feel better now? you just proved the point i was making, everythings a big laugh till it hits home, and honestly i hope it hits home for you real soon
The statement "one out of six Americans fight hunger" is untrue. I asked you to site your source and you haven't because you can't. Why are you so indignant over people making comments on something that's not true?
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Hey now, I resent that. I relish in the greatness of my buns, I mean puns.
Great.Now your just getting cheezy.
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Great.Now your just getting cheezy.
I think he's milking it.
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I think he's milking it.
Oh stop hamming up to him.
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6 people are in my house and I skipped breakfast, i guess this statement is true. Please send your donations to help a hungry hungry bagrat, for only a dollar a day bagrat can eat a dollar burger from mcdonalds and still be hungry so better make it $2...euros will also be accepted.
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Oh stop hamming up to him.
The ultimate pun song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1GvDWtccI
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Making fun of a false pretense + high dudgeon + puns = 13.
This kind of reminds me of my old high school formula:
crisis = danger + opportunity
danger = fun + fear
matches + gas = fun
therefore,
danger without fear is pure gas + matches fun
or that crisis without danger is a fun but fearful opportunity.
per common sense, fun = fun for t<0
no more fun for t>=0
where 0 defined as the time event at which someone gets hurt.
That's the only caveat we really need heed, because after t=0, and that event is not predestined, then the crisis would turn into an opportunity for no more fun.
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The statement "one out of six Americans fight hunger" is untrue. I asked you to site your source and you haven't because you can't. Why are you so indignant over people making comments on something that's not true?
go through my posts i never agreed or disagreed about the 1 in 6 are hungry post, i made a real simple statement as to how some people make fun of someone who's HUNGRY, whats funny about being hungry? whats next making fun of cripples?
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crisis = danger + opportunity
danger = fun + fear
matches + gas = fun
= Pg_Godzilla lost his eyebrows
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZgtAuULcmcQ/SmD5SSznilI/AAAAAAAAAXg/9JT5XMSoIT4/s400/simon+cowell+without+eyebrows.jpg)
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= Pg_Godzilla lost his eyebrows
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZgtAuULcmcQ/SmD5SSznilI/AAAAAAAAAXg/9JT5XMSoIT4/s400/simon+cowell+without+eyebrows.jpg)
This is getting weird Ardy, for a couple of reasons:
1. I've been compared to that clown before.
2. My wife and her friend were watching him on TV last night and it was quite clear he'd had an eye-job.
We've got some weird sync-bro-nicity going and I'm getting all old-man grumpy about it.
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Nvrmind
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Just dont get all hot under the collards.
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This is getting weird Ardy, for a couple of reasons:
1. I've been compared to that clown before.
2. My wife and her friend were watching him on TV last night and it was quite clear he'd had an eye-job.
We've got some weird sync-bro-nicity going and I'm getting all old-man grumpy about it.
:rofl :rofl
Its the gas and the matches.. the resulting fireball does wonders....
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go through my posts i never agreed or disagreed about the 1 in 6 are hungry post, i made a real simple statement as to how some people make fun of someone who's HUNGRY, whats funny about being hungry? whats next making fun of cripples?
(http://jasonirby.net/imhungry.png)
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That thing a man, woman, or sasquatch?
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That thing a man, woman, or sasquatch?
It does raise the steaks in this cun pun drum
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You guys are tasteless. Peas stop.
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That thing a man, woman, or sasquatch?
I think it's a guy....weird lookin
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That thing a man, woman, or sasquatch?
(http://images.uncyc.org/commons/thumb/6/67/Leave_Britney_Alone!.JPG/180px-Leave_Britney_Alone!.JPG)
It's a dude. Look.
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Sorry cant tell at all. Far as I can tell I think its a Pat
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That thing a man, woman, or sasquatch?
Your guess is a good as mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)
:huh,
Wab
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(http://images.uncyc.org/commons/thumb/6/67/Leave_Britney_Alone!.JPG/180px-Leave_Britney_Alone!.JPG)
It's a dude. Look.
Or a hungry-looking chick with a lip brow - who clearly could use a lesson from Badboy in how to grow a proper molest-ache.
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Your guess is a good as mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc)
:huh,
Wab
Lordy I can't take that and over britney.
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Lordy I can't take that and over britney.
Its an old you tube thing. It was a gag.
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Its an old you tube thing. It was a gag.
It worked.
I gagged.
:confused:,
Wab
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whats next making fun of cripples?
No, because we really have handicapped people in the USA. We also provide tones of services, tons of access regulations, and tons of legislation to protect handicapped people from discrimination.
Next we'll make fun of people from Mars...they don't exist either.
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No, because we really have handicapped people in the USA. We also provide tones of services, tons of access regulations, and tons of legislation to protect handicapped people from discrimination.
Next we'll make fun of people from Mars...they don't exist either.
:rofl This game seems to attract the mentally challenged. Had to stay PC so I don't get a #4 or I would have used words that describe you a little better :lol
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:rofl This game seems to attract the mentally challenged. Had to stay PC so I don't get a #4 or I would have used words that describe you a little better :lol
(http://jasonirby.net/imhungry2.png)
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MMMMM....desserts
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:rofl This game seems to attract the mentally challenged. Had to stay PC so I don't get a #4 or I would have used words that describe you a little better :lol
1 in 6 Posters in this thread struggles with hunger.
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1 in 6 Posters in this thread struggles with hunger.
And then I made a sammich.
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This thread appears to be gaining weight... Those who are hungry are probably jealous.
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Maybe it's a typo? Maybe it should read. 1 to 6 year olds Americans are hungry and all the time. I have a nephew that just turned 7, and he is still hungry. When he stays the night with me, he's like a one boy locus attack. He rides BMX and plays football, but, holy cow.
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:rofl This game seems to attract the mentally challenged. Had to stay PC so I don't get a #4 or I would have used words that describe you a little better :lol
"realistic" comes to mind.
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(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/Kevorkian_2007/imhungry.jpg)
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(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/Kevorkian_2007/imhungry.jpg)
That thing looks like mike jackson with blond hair.
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"realistic" comes to mind.
Heh, the 1 out of 6 is probably wrong, but not as wrong as your they don;t exist comment. But, since one cannot fix stupid, all I can do is make fun of you :lol
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There is no doubt there are people going hungry in the US. To think otherwise is just silly. The thing is to say 1 in 6 is just laughable. Thus the puns. Not at hunger,at hyperbole.
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There is no doubt there are people going hungry in the US. To think otherwise is just silly. The thing is to say 1 in 6 is just laughable. Thus the puns. Not at hunger,at hyperbole.
I agree, but to say they don;t exist falls in the same category
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I agree, but to say they don;t exist falls in the same category
Sure, but there's also an additional pretense that's worth a laugh - and that is that we should be somber about it.
Why not?
1. It doesn't solve the problem
2. The question of responsibility for the problem is, at best, an open one
I.e., I think this is an audience that has little use for a hairshirt w/r the matter and is reacting to any such suggestion with a certain level of mockery.
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See Rule #14
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billboards are that cheap?
i actually think they're significantly more expensive than that, if only based on the fact that there's one that is mounted in someone's back yard, near the shop i used to work at. this allows it to be seen on rt42......and rumor has it that the owning company pays them somewhere in the ballpark of $1,000/month to have it there.
No, not around here. Part of a marketing bid my company won a couple of years ago included 2 billboards, one large, one small. Grand total? $2200 per month I had to pay, about $1300/mo for the large one and $900 for the small one. This was on top of print media, radio, websites, etc. Unfortunately, this was about the time the market started heading south, and we sold very few homes, even with a massive marketing campaign. Fortunately, we sold a couple and were able to get out at the end of the contract and walk away only having lost about $25K total.
<---- looking forward to the day very very soon that he closes down shop and doesn't own a real estate company any more. :rolleyes:
But anyway, I digress....
Time for lunch... I'm now 1 out of the 6, at least for the next few minutes....
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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ded, I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thinks that "hunger" does not exist in our society. The point of contention here is whether "1 in 6" is accurate or correct. I personally think that number is BS, purely because of the way they measure it.... being "food insecure" doesn't equate to hunger neccesarily, but it makes for a good billboard when you're trying to get people to pick up the phone and give your organization a credit card number....
In my business and previous jobs I've seen some of the most heinous abuses of our social welfare system (the very cause of much of our problems, oddly enough). I guess I have lost my sense of compassion for about 90% of the people who fall into some of these categories of people that everyone thinks we should feel sorry for. I mean, when a tenant tells me they don't have the rent yet there's a 52" big screen in the living room, all 3 kids have cell phones, and the husband just got a 2010 Avalanche Z71 (this was about a year ago, think $45K vehicle)... and I know for a FACT they're recieving government assistance.... I'm not feeling sorry for them. Now I know they're possibly the exception and not the norm when it comes to those "living below the poverty line" but there are still far far too many of them out there. I have numerous other ones like that, several of whom's housing is paid for 100% by Uncle Sam (i.e. you and I pay for them to have a roof, and they contribute nothing).
Edit - that being said, I'm 110% in favor of charities and other organizations that feed, clothe, and help house people.... just in an ideal situation it would transfer that away from the government (taxpayer) as opposed to providing an additional opportunity for abuse and waste on the part of a large percentage of those receiving the help...
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Hunger, true hunger isn't funny, at all. However I'm always weary of statistics like this. What does "hungry" mean? How is it that obesity and hunger are both issues affecting the poor? Are the fat poor kids stealing the food from the hungry ones? I have been the recipient of food shelf donations as well as a volunteer and now that I have the means, a donor. There are so many programs out there that give assistance to the needy, either with real food or with food "stamps," that I have a hard time believing that the number is as large as they claim on the billboard. I have often had to bite my tongue when I have a family come into the food pantry (often all over-weight) and they go for all the prepackaged foods that are absolute garbage. We often have to throw away the staple foods, flour, beans, rice, canned meats et.c. because the people that frequent the pantry rarely take the foods that would benefit them the most. In my experience, even the poor will often forgo proper nutrition and even entire meals because they lack the skills or, perhaps, the desire to actually cook for themselves. A bag of flour, some yeast and a few other basic, inexpensive ingredients will make a lot of bread. Oh, but wait, it takes a LOT of effort to make bread and it doesn't come in "white" and it isn't presliced. I know! There is the 5 pound bag of brown rice! Sure a little rice goes a long way but it isn't processed, covered in sugar or cheese... Hmmmm I guess the "family" sized box of shells and cheese is a better choice. It's almost completely devoid of nutrition, won't actually feed an American family but heck, all you gots to do is boil water.
Like the saying goes, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." The idea that the only affordable food is fast food is silly. People who believe that need to learn to shop. Clip some coupons! I just went shopping today and coupons got me $110 worth of food for a little over $50 and this is roughly days worth of REAL food for a family of six. Buy basic ingredients instead of prepackaged and processed food. I know, I know I may have to use a knife to cut, or a whisk to mix and, perhaps, more then one pot or pan. I must be a heartless bastage for expecting others to be able to provide for themselves.
Is there real hunger in the United States? There probably is some, but I'd bet a bag of rice that a village or ten in Africa would eat like kings on what those "hungry" few have.
TRUTH.
I just had to quote this so that it would be reread......
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ded, I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thinks that "hunger" does not exist in our society. The point of contention here is whether "1 in 6" is accurate or correct. I personally think that number is BS, purely because of the way they measure it.... being "food insecure" doesn't equate to hunger neccesarily, but it makes for a good billboard when you're trying to get people to pick up the phone and give your organization a credit card number....
In my business and previous jobs I've seen some of the most heinous abuses of our social welfare system (the very cause of much of our problems, oddly enough). I guess I have lost my sense of compassion for about 90% of the people who fall into some of these categories of people that everyone thinks we should feel sorry for. I mean, when a tenant tells me they don't have the rent yet there's a 52" big screen in the living room, all 3 kids have cell phones, and the husband just got a 2010 Avalanche Z71 (this was about a year ago, think $45K vehicle)... and I know for a FACT they're recieving government assistance.... I'm not feeling sorry for them. Now I know they're possibly the exception and not the norm when it comes to those "living below the poverty line" but there are still far far too many of them out there. I have numerous other ones like that, several of whom's housing is paid for 100% by Uncle Sam (i.e. you and I pay for them to have a roof, and they contribute nothing).
Edit - that being said, I'm 110% in favor of charities and other organizations that feed, clothe, and help house people.... just in an ideal situation it would transfer that away from the government (taxpayer) as opposed to providing an additional opportunity for abuse and waste on the part of a large percentage of those receiving the help...
Yeah, I am not talking about everyone. I was only responding to him saying that they do not exist. I agree that the number may not be accurate but that is not a reason to make fun of them.
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Someone earlier in this thread said something to this effect:
A lot of impoverished people are fat. This is because the only cheap food there is is very bad for you and the stuff that is good for you is way too expensive.
No offense intended, but....
Completely and totally false. This is used as an excuse by people to cover for either laziness or ignorance.
How much $$$ does it take to eat fast food for 1 week? Even cheap, dollar menu crap? Minimum $3, $4, maybe up to $7 per meal, per person? Let's call it $5, and say you only do this 1 time per day per week, on average, family of four. That's $20 per day, $140 per week, $560 a month. I know plenty of "busy people" who eat more fast food than that. Not because they have to, but they opt for easy and quick.
You wanna think about how much rice, dried beans, vegetables, white meat pork and chicken, etc you can buy for $560 a month? Let me tell you, and I know this frome experience, you can feed a family of 4 for a half or a third of that $$ figure per month if you're smart and willing to get off your butt and get in the kitchen instead of sitting in a drive-thru once or twice a day. I keep track of our grocery budget because I do almost 100% of that shopping, and 100% of the cooking.... we rarely ever eat fast food, or order carry-out. Almost everything is home cooked, and nutritionally complete. I cook larger quantities than we need for one meal, for economy, because it is cheaper to cook once and eat 2-3 times. Most of our meals end up at less than $1 per serving in actual cost. You know the only thing all of this requires?
Effort on the part of the provider......
And there-in lie the problems that cause "poor" people to be obese or overweight..... one part ignorance, one part laziness....
"poor people are fat because they can't afford healthy food."
Now THAT is a LIE if there ever was one.
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Someone earlier in this thread said something to this effect:
No offense intended, but....
Completely and totally false. This is used as an excuse by people to cover for either laziness or ignorance.
How much $$$ does it take to eat fast food for 1 week? Even cheap, dollar menu crap? Minimum $3, $4, maybe up to $7 per meal, per person? Let's call it $5, and say you only do this 1 time per day per week, on average, family of four. That's $20 per day, $140 per week, $560 a month. I know plenty of "busy people" who eat more fast food than that. Not because they have to, but they opt for easy and quick.
You wanna think about how much rice, dried beans, vegetables, white meat pork and chicken, etc you can buy for $560 a month? Let me tell you, and I know this frome experience, you can feed a family of 4 for a half or a third of that $$ figure per month if you're smart and willing to get off your butt and get in the kitchen instead of sitting in a drive-thru once or twice a day. I keep track of our grocery budget because I do almost 100% of that shopping, and 100% of the cooking.... we rarely ever eat fast food, or order carry-out. Almost everything is home cooked, and nutritionally complete. I cook larger quantities than we need for one meal, for economy, because it is cheaper to cook once and eat 2-3 times. Most of our meals end up at less than $1 per serving in actual cost. You know the only thing all of this requires?
Effort on the part of the provider......
And there-in lie the problems that cause "poor" people to be obese or overweight..... one part ignorance, one part laziness....
"poor people are fat because they can't afford healthy food."
Now THAT is a LIE if there ever was one.
:lol I wish it cost me 560$ a month to feed my family......double that plus :aok
and the better food is WAY more expensive to buy.
trust me, I have pancreantitus and I am only allowed to eat 10 grams of fat a day....that is if I could afford the good food.
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:lol I wish it cost me 560$ a month to feed my family......double that plus :aok
I was being very conservative with that number to prove a point... I know a lot of people who probably spend more than that on fast food / unhealthy food. My point was you can feed a family of 4 for about $200 a month and put very healthy food on the table every meal, if you're willing to put in the effort to shop smart, avoid junky/fatty/overpriced items, and take the time to learn to make things from raw ingredients instead of buying premade food items.
And I think you're feeding more than a family of four! :)
and the better food is WAY more expensive to buy.
define "better" please. You mean better as in "desireable?" As in I'm buying steak... let me see, that peice of flank steak will feed all 4 of us for $7, but I want "better" steak so I'll got with the tenderloin filets at $12 each...
Or "better" as in healthier? Because "healthy" doesn't mean more money. If so, you're doing it wrong....
trust me, I have pancreantitus and I am only allowed to eat 10 grams of fat a day....that is if I could afford the good food.
What food specifically does your diet restrict you to?
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I was being very conservative with that number to prove a point... I know a lot of people who probably spend more than that on fast food / unhealthy food. And I think you're feeding more than a family of four! :)
define "better" please. You mean better as in "desireable?" As in I'm buying steak... let me see, that peice of flank steak will feed all 4 of us for $7, but I want "better" steak so I'll got with the tenderloin filets at $12 each...
Or "better" as in healthier? Because "healthy" doesn't mean more money. If so, you're doing it wrong....
What food specifically does your diet restrict you to?
ok ya got me im feeding a family of 8, including me and the wife :D
by better I mean healthier, Ive seen you mention about the "rice" and what not......lol how many kids you have? to truly feed a family properly and HAPPILY you need a good Variety, what your saying is just get the basics and that's enough. and yes Healthier food is way more expensive then the generic crap :aok
as far as "what food restrictions" like I said 10 grams of fat...period, does not matter "what" kind of food, 10 grams of fat. is all im "allowed" to eat a day, there is NO WAY I can follow that...seafood is basically FAT free, most of it IS fat free...when was the last time I had seafood.........been a long friggin time.
trust me food is something I know, I have had a disease for over 12 years that will eventually kill me(should have already), and food was the cause (specifically cheese), this disease is Pancreantitus (sp?) Acute pancreantitus (both).....I did a month in the hospital and FOUR months without eating a single thing....at the time I found out I was 270 lbs..within 6 months I weighed 175 lbs(you shoulda heard the rumors..crack head...yadda yadda yadda)....12 years Ive had this, I know people who have died within a year of getting it, and I have the worst case my doctor had ever saw. needless to say I had to learn about "food" :aok
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Its funny. I saw a sign in town today that said 1 in 8. I will have to get a shot of it.
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Its funny. I saw a sign in town today that said 1 in 8. I will have to get a shot of it.
A shot of it, or one at it? All this mewling commie-talk is giving me a pain.
Kidding, just kidding... Seeing a sacred cow always just makes me want to wade in with a meat cleaver.
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by better I mean healthier, Ive seen you mention about the "rice" and what not......lol how many kids you have?
3 including the wife! :)
to truly feed a family properly and HAPPILY you need a good Variety, what your saying is just get the basics and that's enough. and yes Healthier food is way more expensive then the generic crap :aok
Not really. I go way beyond just the basics...an average week might see dinners such as beef stroganoff over noodles with sauteed squash and onions, linquini with white clam sauce, broiled fish (usually tilapia) with white rice and steamed veggies, turkey lasagna (I've yet to have a person try my recipe and tell the difference between the same dish with beef and regular cheese in it), etc. The trick is substituting. If the recipe recipe calls for sour cream, get fat free. Fat free cheese as well. ground turkey instead of ground beef. Smoked sausage? That comes in turkey as well. Fish, but baked instead of fried.
Emeril's cookbooks and Justin Wilson's cookbooks, along with a few others, provide the basis for the recipes. Trust me, variety is never a problem!
My daughter will eat anything I cook. My 8 year old son can be a pain, but there are a few stand-bys that he'll eat if he doesn't want what I've fixed.
I guess I do have an advantage in that we garden as well, and store a lot of vegetables. We buy very few canned vegetables (high in sodium).
I've been doing it for 21 years... it isn't that hard once you figure it out.
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3 including the wife! :)
Not really. I go way beyond just the basics...an average week might see dinners such as beef stroganoff over noodles with sauteed squash and onions, linquini with white clam sauce, broiled fish (usually tilapia) with white rice and steamed veggies, turkey lasagna (I've yet to have a person try my recipe and tell the difference between the same dish with beef and regular cheese in it), etc. The trick is substituting. If the recipe recipe calls for sour cream, get fat free. Fat free cheese as well. ground turkey instead of ground beef. Smoked sausage? That comes in turkey as well. Fish, but baked instead of fried.
Emeril's cookbooks and Justin Wilson's cookbooks, along with a few others, provide the basis for the recipes. Trust me, variety is never a problem!
My daughter will eat anything I cook. My 8 year old son can be a pain, but there are a few stand-bys that he'll eat if he doesn't want what I've fixed.
I guess I do have an advantage in that we garden as well, and store a lot of vegetables. We buy very few canned vegetables (high in sodium).
I've been doing it for 21 years... it isn't that hard once you figure it out.
ok ya convinced me, the wife and I, and our 6 kids will be over for supper.....every day next week :D
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Another recommendation, and I say this as a guy who grew up in suburban Chicago: for the price of a license and a rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader, you can get pounds and pounds of extra-lean high-quality meat every fall, if you're willing to take the time.
If I can do it, anyone can, because I most certainly did not learn much about the outdoors as a child.
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Another recommendation, and I say this as a guy who grew up in suburban Chicago: for the price of a license and a rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader, you can get pounds and pounds of extra-lean high-quality meat every fall, if you're willing to take the time.
If I can do it, anyone can, because I most certainly did not learn much about the outdoors as a child.
better include gas to get there, food for the trip, meat packer to cure it, cut and wrap and that's to say you even see one to kill, i hunt and hunt alot you factor in all your costs and the meat in the store would be cheaper and a sure thing, hunting isn't a sure thing i hunt because i enjoy it not because i need meat, the meat is just the satisfaction of a successful hunt
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Although it does not pertain directly, many Americans are malnourished. This due to mainly an issue of poor education and poor choices though.
And I do see hungry people every day on my way to and from work. Most of them suffer severe mental health issues and are homeless and I have bought them breakfast at the local bakery in the morning next to the subway station. Also, the recent economic issues have put severe stain on national food banks and homeless shelters.
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better include gas to get there, food for the trip, meat packer to cure it, cut and wrap and that's to say you even see one to kill, i hunt and hunt alot you factor in all your costs and the meat in the store would be cheaper and a sure thing, hunting isn't a sure thing i hunt because i enjoy it not because i need meat, the meat is just the satisfaction of a successful hunt
That's all fair game, of course. I pay about $55/carcass - but could do it myself if I needed to. Gas is unavoidable. OTOH, most areas do not require that much travel, given the proliferation of deer and feral swine. I travel to any of three locations I use - the furthest is about 85 miles. Of course, Michigan hads a pretty dense population of white-tails, so the fact that I see at least several every time I go out isn't probative of anything.
I'm not saying it's all that cost effective but it could be a viable alternative to someone in the right location.
As for my motive, I do it simply because I enjoy killing.
Actually, it's the thrill I get off on - and it is good meat.
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Ded why are you hung up on the "Not One" argument so much? Actually for all intents and purposes, a couple hundred divide by 300 million can be rounded to zero.
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Ded why are you hung up on the "Not One" argument so much? Actually for all intents and purposes, a couple hundred divide by 300 million can be rounded to zero.
there are far more then a couple hundred people starving in America...if there was only one person starving in America there would be one to many.
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there are far more then a couple hundred people starving in America...if there was only one person starving in America there would be one to many.
:aok :aok
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Ded why are you hung up on the "Not One" argument so much? Actually for all intents and purposes, a couple hundred divide by 300 million can be rounded to zero.
Why is he so hung up on saying no one?
Couple of hundred eh? :rofl
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there are far more then a couple hundred people starving in America
I doubt there are more than a hundred that die from "hunger".
if there was only one person starving in America there would be one to many.
True from an idealogical standpoint, impossible from a practicality standpoint.
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I doubt there are more than a hundred that die from "hunger".
True from an idealogical standpoint, impossible from a practicality standpoint.
I disagree. I think some people probably should starve. It occurs in every other species and does so for the health of the species. Why should this one be different? Serial bad decision-making should carry some punishment. It's those that have little/no choice that are probably deserving of care - but I would never say the same of those willfully failing.
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It occurs in every other species and does so for the health of the species. Why should this one be different?
Because we claim to be better than wild animals.
Serial bad decision-making should carry some punishment. It's those that have little/no choice that are probably deserving of care - but I would never say the same of those willfully failing.
I know right? Like if I ever made the decision to have crack heads for parents, I should "probably" be deserving of some care. Then again, maybe I should starve. That is what wild animals would do.
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I could steak a claim of having the recipe to fix the hunger issue, but it's much more fun watching ya'll getting grilled and floundering for answers while someone keeps stirring the soup.