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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kamori on April 01, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
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A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country.
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Well, there's a very simple answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located in:
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ALASKA
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California
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Coastal Florida
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Coastal Louisiana
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North Dakota
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Wyoming
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Colorado
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Kansas
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Oklahoma
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Pennsylvania
And
Texas
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Our dipsticks are located in DC
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Now you thinking with your dipstick, Jimmy!
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A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country.
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Well, there's a very simple answer.
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Nobody bothered to check the oil.
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We just didn't know we were getting low.
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The reason for that is purely geographical.
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Our OIL is located in:
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ALASKA
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California
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Coastal Florida
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Coastal Louisiana
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North Dakota
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Wyoming
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Colorado
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Kansas
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Oklahoma
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Pennsylvania
And
Texas
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Our dipsticks are located in DC
Is this something new that you discovered?
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The only problem is that the oil present would not justify ruining the Everglades, Alaskan Frontier, Great Plains, and Golden Coast. We have enough oil to last us for centuries, but it's all locked away in 5-6 gallon pockets. If we pursued it, we'd expend more energy than we'd extract, and be left with a sooty, charred landscape.
-Penguin
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The only problem is that the oil present would not justify ruining the Everglades, Alaskan Frontier, Great Plains, and Golden Coast. We have enough oil to last us for centuries, but it's all locked away in 5-6 gallon pockets. If we pursued it, we'd expend more energy than we'd extract, and be left with a sooty, charred landscape.
-Penguin
Exactly, you would ruin marshland and all the nature, in the end it would actually be worse then helpful. :uhoh Am i right Penguin?
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The only problem is that the oil present would not justify ruining the Everglades, Alaskan Frontier, Great Plains, and Golden Coast. We have enough oil to last us for centuries, but it's all locked away in 5-6 gallon pockets. If we pursued it, we'd expend more energy than we'd extract, and be left with a sooty, charred landscape.
-Penguin
When gas costs 8 dollars a gallon we'll see if you back off that stance. :aok
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I don't think we have very much oil anymore... just coal...
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When gas costs 8 dollars a gallon we'll see if you back off that stance. :aok
+1. As much as I would hate to see our NAtional beauty ruined, were gonna butcher our economy more if the gas prices are $8 a gallon. after all who wants to spend THAT much money on a single gallon of fuel?
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Hydrogen hybrid propulsion should be pursued with as much money as we can spare.
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Hydrogen hybrid propulsion should be pursued with as much money as we can spare.
which..is literally....less then $0. were so far in debt its not even funny.
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Then, I guess oils gonna run out.
isnt the US in a 1 trillion dollar deficit?
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Then, I guess oils gonna run out.
isnt the US in a 1 trillion dollar deficit?
1 trillion per year. :aok
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Then, I guess oils gonna run out.
isnt the US in a 1 trillion dollar deficit?
Last i checked, the US was in debt by 14 Trillion, seriously people get it together.
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Helium 3.
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Exactly, you would ruin marshland and all the nature, in the end it would actually be worse then helpful. :uhoh Am i right Penguin?
Absolutely. I didn't mean to scare you, I apologize.
+1. As much as I would hate to see our NAtional beauty ruined, were gonna butcher our economy more if the gas prices are $8 a gallon. after all who wants to spend THAT much money on a single gallon of fuel?
Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight. It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil. You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely.
-Penguin
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Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight. It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil. You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely.
-Penguin
Sorry but what about the folks like me that would have to walk 8 miles to get to the closest bus stop to get to their job? Before anyone says get a job closer to where you live or move closer to your job, that just isn't feasible.
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Sorry but what about the folks like me that would have to walk 8 miles to get to the closest bus stop to get to their job? Before anyone says get a job closer to where you live or move closer to your job, that just isn't feasible.
Walk 8 miles? Try biking there instead, it saves a ton of effort (your arms eat up most of it when you run). It helps you stay in shape and gets you a breath of fresh air. Once you arrive, use a lock to secure your bike (there ought to be bike racks along the way).
I don't know about anyone else, but the buses I see allow you to bring the bike onboard as well. This means that you can park it at the office, where security cameras ought to be. If not, then bring it inside. If you get a decent lightweight roadbike, it shouldn't be hard to manhandle.
-Penguin
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Walk 8 miles? Try biking there instead, it saves a ton of effort (your arms eat up most of it when you run). It helps you stay in shape and gets you a breath of fresh air. Once you arrive, use a lock to secure your bike (there ought to be bike racks along the way).
I don't know about anyone else, but the buses I see allow you to bring the bike onboard as well. This means that you can park it at the office, where security cameras ought to be. If not, then bring it inside. If you get a decent lightweight roadbike, it shouldn't be hard to manhandle.
-Penguin
What about during the winter, and also during pretty much every day of your life where you don't want to pedal a bike for miles after working 8-10 hours?
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Penguin. Its impractical.
Cars will always exist, what drives them shall change. That is fact.
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Absolutely. I didn't mean to scare you, I apologize.
Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight. It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil. You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely.
-Penguin
Unfortunately electric cars would then cause a power crisis which i think the US already has big problems with.
Even if 1/8 of the population turned over to electric cars then you need allot more power plants and the extra use would also create electricity price to rocket up just like oil, i am sure you could maybe build billions of wind turnbinds but other wise electricity usually comes from non renewable sources as well.
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Penguin are you for or against more nuclear power in this country?
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The problem with Mass Transit is the US is just to big, and it uses almost all of it's continent. Are you going to build a bus/train terminal of my "village" of only a couple hundred. And I can name about 10 more in a 30 mile radius.
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A lot of folks can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in our country.
~~~
Well, there's a very simple answer.
~~~
Nobody bothered to check the oil.
~~~
We just didn't know we were getting low.
~~~
The reason for that is purely geographical.
~~~
Our OIL is located in:
~~~
ALASKA
~~~
California
~~~
Coastal Florida
~~~
Coastal Louisiana
~~~
North Dakota
~~~
Wyoming
~~~
Colorado
~~~
Kansas
~~~
Oklahoma
~~~
Pennsylvania
And
Texas
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Our dipsticks are located in DC
that's pretty funny. :rofl :rofl
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I've noticed the dipstick can reach to Brazil!
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The only problem is that the oil present would not justify ruining the Everglades, Alaskan Frontier, Great Plains, and Golden Coast. We have enough oil to last us for centuries, but it's all locked away in 5-6 gallon pockets. If we pursued it, we'd expend more energy than we'd extract, and be left with a sooty, charred landscape.
-Penguin
we've been getting oil from alaska for years....and it hasn't ruined a dam thing.
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Absolutely. I didn't mean to scare you, I apologize.
Or we could drive electric vehicles and use mass transit and mass freight. It would cost significantly less to run our economy on that than oil. You seem to be fixated on using a non-renewable resource indefinitely.
-Penguin
ELECTRIC will not cost less.
mass transit? bah. there is no bus route and no train that even comes close to my home, or my work.
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we've been getting oil from alaska for years....and it hasn't ruined a dam thing.
Valdez once, but that was an accident :D
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Valdez once, but that was an accident :D
ok./....you got me. i forgot about that. one time so far. and it wasn't an accident. it was carelessness or negligence somewhere along the line on someone's part. :aok
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Penguin are you for or against more nuclear power in this country?
All for it, it'll buy us enough time to come up with something better. The only problem I see is running out of room to dispose of it safely, but apparently you can drop it through the ocean floor by heating it up.
-Penguin
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One...
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Two...
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Hmmm... the BBS doesn't seem to want to take my post.
Of all the members of this BBS that absolutely despise my existance,
I never thought the BBS itself would turn on me.
ok./....you got me. i forgot about that. one time so far. and it wasn't an accident. it was carelessness or negligence somewhere along the line on someone's part. :aok
You're right on the point that it hasn't ruined anything though, up here
at least. I think the main reason for that is the fact that once you get
far enough up North where all the oil is, there's not much more than
empty tundra and a few white bears.
Look up 'North Slope' in google images for an idea of what I'm saying,
the particular picture I'm thinking of is the airborne one that gets a
good few of the surrounding marsh/empty flatlands.
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Penguin, You have sdome good thoughts...if they were feasible. Nearest train station for me...half an hour car ride. Nearest bus stop? 10 minute car ride. mind you, I live in a area of agriculture so I have open roads and moderately high speed limits. Mass transit would not be feasible for me or my other town citizens. Nuclear power is great and all, but what if we get sdome freak accident at one of them and we cant keep the other ones running right? our power grid...was watching a show on the discovery channel and our power grid is so out dated i forget by how many years. I dont mean to flame you or pick you apart, as most of these reasons have been mentioned, but for some of us these possibilities are very limited.
back on subject, and to the community, We as a nation have the technology and the expierence to create more fuel efficent cars. MY 2000 Mazda is getting 30 mpg around town, but we look at these BRAND NEW Cadillacs that have all this fancy stuff in them and they're getting what? maybe 18 or 19 mpg around town. something is wrong with that. why is it we as acountry can not keep fuel economy half decent in our newer vehicles?
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Penguin, You have sdome good thoughts...if they were feasible. Nearest train station for me...half an hour car ride. Nearest bus stop? 10 minute car ride. mind you, I live in a area of agriculture so I have open roads and moderately high speed limits. Mass transit would not be feasible for me or my other town citizens. Nuclear power is great and all, but what if we get sdome freak accident at one of them and we cant keep the other ones running right? our power grid...was watching a show on the discovery channel and our power grid is so out dated i forget by how many years. I dont mean to flame you or pick you apart, as most of these reasons have been mentioned, but for some of us these possibilities are very limited.
back on subject, and to the community, We as a nation have the technology and the expierence to create more fuel efficent cars. MY 2000 Mazda is getting 30 mpg around town, but we look at these BRAND NEW Cadillacs that have all this fancy stuff in them and they're getting what? maybe 18 or 19 mpg around town. something is wrong with that. why is it we as acountry can not keep fuel economy half decent in our newer vehicles?
Go ahead, pick me apart. That which does not kill me makes me stronger. A ten minute car ride, you say? At what speed? If you (by you, I refer to all of the posters) work in the city, why live in the country? I've never quite understood that logic.
-Penguin
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Go ahead, pick me apart. That which does not kill me makes me stronger. A ten minute car ride, you say? At what speed? If you (by you, I refer to all of the posters) work in the city, why live in the country? I've never quite understood that logic.
-Penguin
Alaska : Nearest logical housing location : ~50 miles from work.
Not qualified for military housing. No homes available in the city
for a family of five? No real good schools in between? Would
rather live near my one friend who has stuck by my side thick
and thin since I was three?
These are but a few factors that come into play for me, a good
half hour commute every morning, too and from Ft. Richardson
for my stepdad.
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Alaska : Nearest logical housing location : ~50 miles from work.
Not qualified for military housing. No homes available in the city
for a family of five? No real good schools in between? Would
rather live near my one friend who has stuck by my side thick
and thin since I was three?
These are but a few factors that come into play for me, a good
half hour commute every morning, too and from Ft. Richardson
for my stepdad.
Well, you've got me there.
-Penguin
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I'm moving to Pripyat.
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I'm moving to Pripyat.
:lol Wait, really? :(
-Penguin
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An Eskimo and a Penguin debating frozen wastelands. Only here.
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An Eskimo and a Penguin debating frozen wastelands. Only here.
That's a good one! :lol
-Penguin
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Go ahead, pick me apart. That which does not kill me makes me stronger. A ten minute car ride, you say? At what speed? If you (by you, I refer to all of the posters) work in the city, why live in the country? I've never quite understood that logic.
-Penguin
I'm not big for picking things apart. If the oppertunity presents itself and i'm well educated on the subject or wish to further my knowledge I will. I live in the country, and as far as going to the bnearest bus station, the minimum speed limit is 45 MPH.most of the time however the speed limit is 50. My Family lives i nthe country, and pretty well works in the country (except for my dad when he has work.)
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Let me rephrase that it's 8 miles to the closest city with a CAT bus stop. To the closest stop is almost 10 miles from my apartment. The buses only run on the week days and there isn't one past 1935 heading to Little Rock. Which fits my work schedule great ,I work 2200-0600 Weds-Thur and 2200-1000 Fri-Sat. Now I would use it if I could because it's cheap as anything.
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we've been getting oil from alaska for years....and it hasn't ruined a dam thing.
Ur a idiot, move here, see whats changed. did us alaskans get any sympathy when exxon happened yrs ago? any money? anything? did we get our yrs worth a food etc.? NO.
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An Eskimo and a Penguin debating frozen wastelands. Only here.
FYI eskimo aint even a real eskimo, and fer dam sure I aint voting for him.at least for any office in alaska.
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FYI eskimo aint even a real eskimo, and fer dam sure I aint voting for him.at least for any office in alaska.
:) Relax, it was a pun, nobody said that the Exxon-Valdez spill didn't cause you any suffering.
-Penguin
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FYI eskimo aint even a real eskimo, and fer dam sure I aint voting for him.at least for any office in alaska.
boy.....i sure wish they'd drill in nj, and do this........
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14935745/ns/us_news-wonderful_world/
especially combined with the fact of no income taxes(from what i;ve heard, no state income tax)
that being said, as i mentioned above, i had forgotten about the exxon valdez when i made that statement. but then that was one major thing in how many years?
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<Face Palm>
I agree we need alternate fuels....but we need Oil now! Not just because of price but because of availability!
:Environmentalist: Stop drilling! Let's go all electric immediately!
:Realist: OK....let's spend 50K on an automobile that has a 40 mile range! Great idea if you don't have to go to a destination over 20 miles!
What are you going to recharge the batteries with? Ding Ding Electricity! generated by Coal or Atomic power Einstein neither of
which you want! And what are we going to do with the Batteries when they are no longer rechargable?? Eat'em?
:Environmentalist: Solar Power and wind power! Now......
:Realist: Hey Einstein remember the issue of batteries I brought up? Ya need'em for both. Better have a zillion windmills and lots of wind too!
And we gotta get 3500 mile extension cords to the Solar panels for states that don't have a great deal of Sun for half the year!
got any other suggestions for Energy that we can use now? Or within the next 20 years?
:Environmentalist: Geothermal!
:Realist: Good idea if ya live on top of Mt. Vesuvius or Krokatoa....Hey....we can move the entire population of the US to Yellowstone!
:Environmentalist: guess I better get realistic eh?
:Realist: For the next 20 to 30 years I'd say so.
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The best way to ease our dependence on foreign oil is to tap our vast reserves of natural gas to power our vehicles. In fact you can get an attachment that hooks into your garage natural gas line and fill up your car yourself and avoid all the road excise taxes associated with gasoline. That would be the single most thing we could do to help, but we also burn oil for electrical generation so we need more nuclear power generation. So called "alternative" energy systems aren't economically viable, and for solar you'd have to have an array the size of a football field to power the typical house. Wind power has been discovered to be a hazard to birds, and doesn't generate enough power to be operated without subsidies. Coal is a gross polluter. (BTW, coal is the most heavily subsidized power we have, which seems to be the name of the game)
The next big power boondoggle will be "Woody Biomass." The Dept. of Energy is giving away 21 million dollar grants to build one, provided you're well connected politically. They claim it's carbon neutral based upon the trees they'll burn for the power are renewable, but woody biomass releases the worst types of particulates into the air and is even dirtier than coal.
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All for it, it'll buy us enough time to come up with something better. The only problem I see is running out of room to dispose of it safely, but apparently you can drop it through the ocean floor by heating it up.
-Penguin
There's so much room it's not even funny. Stick it in buried concrete containment vessels and be done with it. It will eventually get out but that crap has a half life. It came from the earth it can go back into the earth.
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There's so much room it's not even funny. Stick it in buried concrete containment vessels and be done with it. It will eventually get out but that crap has a half life. It came from the earth it can go back into the earth.
Well then, nuclear all the way! (Until we need more uranium/plutonium/thorium).
-Penguin
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Well then, nuclear all the way! (Until we need more uranium/plutonium/thorium).
-Penguin
where we gona bury it? Japan? you can only contain so much waste in a finite space before \that space is ful. Then, you need to maintain the holding cells for the waste.and if not done properly can leak into your food or water supply. We'll be like the Kids of the WWII Hiroshima / Nagasaki survivors. a lot more goes into something then meets the eye.
kind of ironic, we were just talkin about this stuf for the past two weeks because of Japan in science.
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Isn't there this nifty waste storage facility somewhere on Yucca Mountain that they aren't allowed to use. :noid
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Isn't there this nifty waste storage facility somewhere on Yucca Mountain that they aren't allowed to use. :noid
theres a nifty waste storage somewhere i know for a fasct, dont know where...but its leaking due to lack of maitnence. lot of good its doing us.
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When gas costs a gallon we'll see if you back off that stance. :aok
We pay way more than 8 dollars per gallon right now (closer to 10) but then we are a major oil producer :) No uprising or chaos. :)