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Title: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 04:24:35 PM
Looks like they finally got it up, I turned my PS3 on a bit ago to watch a movie, there was a system update and it told me my password was no longer valid and prompted me for a new password. Did it just come up today, or am I tardy to the party?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2011, 04:27:34 PM
Sony restarted it over the weekend, did it slowly though with restarting services seperately instead of all at once.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: IrishOne on May 16, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
Sony restarted it over the weekend, did it slowly though with restarting services seperately instead of all at once.

ack-ack

yep, we got it back in the midwest about 3am sunday morning.   from what i heard we were the last ones
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2011, 05:16:40 PM
The only thing still down is the PlayStation Store and when it comes up, North American users get up to 4 free PS3 and/or PSP games and a couple of free weekend movie rentals. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: mbailey on May 16, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
Im trying like heck to get my son an account, I bought him a PS3 2 days after the crash.......still cant set up a new online account.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: 68ZooM on May 16, 2011, 05:34:13 PM
The only thing still down is the PlayStation Store and when it comes up, North American users get up to 4 free PS3 and/or PSP games and a couple of free weekend movie rentals. 

ack-ack

Guess i better Log in and see whats going on. i wonder what types of free games there going to offer.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: IrishOne on May 16, 2011, 05:40:48 PM
Guess i better Log in and see whats going on. i wonder what types of free games there going to offer.


digdug, pong, asteriods, etc.........
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 06:50:01 PM
I hope they offer Super Meat Boy, i'm addicted to that game.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 16, 2011, 07:13:23 PM
id rather have the Xbox 360 network go offline for a while than having call of duty 5 being taken over by a bunch of infection hackers. unlimited ammo with unlimited health...yeah cause everybody loves their games being ruined.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
PS3>****box

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 16, 2011, 07:30:16 PM
id rather have the Xbox 360 network go offline for a while than having call of duty 5 being taken over by a bunch of infection hackers. unlimited ammo with unlimited health...yeah cause everybody loves their games being ruined.  :rolleyes:

That's what pissed me off, all of a sudden hackers started popping up in World at War (I will NEVER call it COD5 because there is no 5 in the title at all.) After a reporting spree, I gave up and started playing Bad Company 2 again.
PS3>****box

-BigBOBCH

I would certainly hope that a system released a full year later would be better. However, I've also never lost any personal information due to me having an account on Xbox Live, something MANY PSN users cannot say.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 16, 2011, 07:50:01 PM
That's what pissed me off, all of a sudden hackers started popping up in World at War (I will NEVER call it COD5 because there is no 5 in the title at all.) After a reporting spree, I gave up and started playing Bad Company 2 again.
well like call of duty 4, the game got taken over by hackers about 3 months ago and it stopped in about 5 weeks. probably be the same for world at war. this is the 3rd week or so, so im sure its gonna go away soon enough.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2011, 07:53:59 PM
Guess i better Log in and see whats going on. i wonder what types of free games there going to offer.

Personally, the only one that is worth getting is Infamous, which is an excellent game.  On second thought, Dead Nation is a nice little time burner as well.

Quote
All PlayStation Network customers can select two PS3 games from the following list. The games will be available for 30 days shortly after PlayStation Store is restored and can be kept forever.

Dead Nation
inFAMOUS
LittleBigPlanet
Super Stardust HD
Wipeout HD + Fury
For PSP owners, you will be eligible to download two PSP games from the following list. The games will be available for 30 days shortly after PlayStation Store is restored and can be kept forever.

LittleBigPlanet (PSP)
ModNation Racers
Pursuit Force
Killzone Liberation

Sony will also offer free weekend video rentals of certain movies.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Vudak on May 16, 2011, 08:00:41 PM
+1 on infamous...  GREAT game.

Ack Ack, do you happen to know if any of the other games MP via online or LAN?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 16, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
 :x :x :x FREE STUFF
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2011, 08:17:20 PM
+1 on infamous...  GREAT game.

Ack Ack, do you happen to know if any of the other games MP via online or LAN?

I think LittleBigPlanet for both the PS3 and PSP have multiplayer but not sure since I haven't played that game.  Killzone, ModNation Racers on the PSP I know are multiplayer.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 08:19:38 PM
Personally, the only one that is worth getting is Infamous, which is an excellent game.  On second thought, Dead Nation is a nice little time burner as well.

Sony will also offer free weekend video rentals of certain movies.

ack-ack
No super meat boy? <Sad face>
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 09:19:19 PM

I would certainly hope that a system released a full year later would be better. However, I've also never lost any personal information due to me having an account on Xbox Live, something MANY PSN users cannot say.

What are you talking about? PS3 was released like 5 months after the 360... And your paying for NOTHING extra, Halo sucks, the 360 generally breaks in less then 2 years and all it has is problems. The 360 also had over 2 weeks of down time right after release. So for 360 lovers talking smack it really doesnt work.  Everyone I know has replaced their Xbox atleast one time since they bought it. All Xbox has ever had is problems. I dropped my PS2 and Ps3 down the stairs, still works no problem.  Not to mention KZ3>Halo, PS3 has better graphic quality, and again your not paying for nothing like Xbox users do.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Plazus on May 16, 2011, 09:24:24 PM
Playstation and 360 both sucks. Go outside and play.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
What are you talking about? PS3 was released like 5 months after the 360... And your paying for NOTHING extra, Halo sucks, the 360 generally breaks in less then 2 years and all it has is problems. The 360 also had over 2 weeks of down time right after release. So for 360 lovers talking smack it really doesnt work.  Everyone I know has replaced their Xbox atleast one time since they bought it. All Xbox has ever had is problems. I dropped my PS2 and Ps3 down the stairs, still works no problem.  Not to mention KZ3>Halo, PS3 has better graphic quality, and again your not paying for nothing like Xbox users do.

-BigBOBCH
What are you smoking? How in the world is kill zone even remotely comparable to halo?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 16, 2011, 09:28:36 PM
Playstation and 360 both sucks. Go outside and play.

Ditto.

Owning a 360 (three, actually) and playing the PS3 several times,
I can honestly say they both suck and are a waste of money. The
only reason I've invested in a console is the lack of money to buy
a decent gaming computer (which can cost 800$+).

The PS3 controller sucks, the 360's graphics are *slightly worse imho,
and both communities are filled with dingbats.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 16, 2011, 09:31:16 PM
the 360 generally breaks in less then 2 years and all it has is problems. The 360 also had over 2 weeks of down time right after release. So for 360 lovers talking smack it really doesnt work.  Everyone I know has replaced their Xbox atleast one time since they bought it. All Xbox has ever had is problems. I dropped my PS2 and Ps3 down the stairs, still works no problem.  -BigBOBCH
my xbox hasnt broken down once in 4 years ive had it...dont know what your talking about
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 09:32:53 PM
What are you smoking? How in the world is kill zone even remotely comparable to halo?

Halo is a horrible game, same with COD. They are just point and shoot games. Go on BFBC2 and get a headshot from a mile away while compinsating for bullet drop, wind, and distance as well as leading. BF3 is going to completely ANNIHILATE COD. And halo is one of the most BORING games I have ever previously played or seen next to COD. Have you even played KZ3? It is AMAZING, have you seen the BF3 gameplay vids? They look like cinematic videos.  And I go out plenty and only play my PS3 when nothing to do or bored.

This is BF3 gameplay, simply SHOCKING. I cannot wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekDutunw1mk&feature=relmfu

Also, these are real stats.

The % of Xbox and PS3 having to be repaired
Xbox 360: 42%
PS3: 8%

The % of Xbox and PS3 having to be repaired more than once
Xbox 360: 39%
PS3: 8%

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 16, 2011, 09:35:51 PM
Halo is a horrible game, same with COD. They are just point and shoot games. Go on BFBC2 and get a headshot from a mile away while compinsating for bullet drop, wind, and distance as well as leading. BF3 is going to completely ANNIHILATE COD. And halo is one of the most BORING games I have ever previously played or seen next to COD. Have you even played KZ3? It is AMAZING, have you seen the BF3 gameplay vids? They look like cinematic videos.  And I go out plenty and only play my PS3 when nothing to do or bored.

This is BF3 gameplay, simply SHOCKING. I cannot wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekDutunw1mk&feature=relmfu

-BigBOBCH
try homefront...best game made, along with fallout new vegas.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: crazierthanu on May 16, 2011, 09:36:06 PM
What are you talking about? PS3 was released like 5 months after the 360... And your paying for NOTHING extra, Halo sucks, the 360 generally breaks in less then 2 years and all it has is problems. The 360 also had over 2 weeks of down time right after release. So for 360 lovers talking smack it really doesnt work.  Everyone I know has replaced their Xbox atleast one time since they bought it. All Xbox has ever had is problems. I dropped my PS2 and Ps3 down the stairs, still works no problem.  Not to mention KZ3>Halo, PS3 has better graphic quality, and again your not paying for nothing like Xbox users do.

-BigBOBCH

Downtime right after release is usually expected, but the entirety of your networks security is not.

As for the "Killzone 3 is better than Halo" argument, I wont even comment.

I got my Xbox on release and haven't had a single problem with it since, by the way it sits on my floor on top of the original box it came in. (Besides, Microsoft admitted their mistake and fixed it.)

The graphics aren't really that much of a difference, and I would gladly sacrifice graphics for better quality gameplay.

I would qualify the PS3 costing 100$ more on release paying for NOTHING.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 09:36:40 PM
Halo is a horrible game, same with COD. They are just point and shoot games. Go on BFBC2 and get a headshot from a mile away while compinsating for bullet drop, wind, and distance as well as leading. BF3 is going to completely ANNIHILATE COD. And halo is one of the most BORING games I have ever previously played or seen next to COD. Have you even played KZ3? It is AMAZING, have you seen the BF3 gameplay vids? They look like cinematic videos.  And I go out plenty and only play my PS3 when nothing to do or bored.


-BigBOBCH
Yes, halo is so boring that it has the biggest MLG player base. Clearly all those guys are delusional. I've played kill zone (3 and the other abortions), what is with the delay between moving the stick and your guy actually moving? Supposed to model gun weight? Pfft.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 09:39:21 PM

I would qualify the PS3 costing 100$ more on release paying for NOTHING.

Incorrect. I got a blueray player WITH my PS3. Go to a store, you will easily spend $100.00+ on it, so no. While you have to go buy a Blue ray, I have it ;) Along with what, like 40x more memory?  Your also paying monthly payments for NOTHING extra that the PS3 doesn't get.  For those that talk smack about PSN being down so long, you also need to learn your facts. The reason PSN was down so long is because they moved the ENTIRE server facility to new locations world wide.  Also, idk what your talking about, I never have issues on KZ3. When I move my analog stick my guy moves immediately when I do.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 09:40:59 PM
Inncorrect. I got a blueray player WITH my PS3. Go to a store, you will easily spend $100.00+ on it, so no. While you have to go buy a Blue ray, I have it ;) Along with what, like 40x more memory?

-BigBOBCH
Except that blu-ray has been out for how many years now and still isn't mainstream? And the fact that the video quality between a blu-ray and an upconverted DVD is minimal at best. Nobody cares about blu-ray, not for the price hike it currently has. Next argument please.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
Except that blu-ray has been out for how many years now and still isn't mainstream? And the fact that the video quality between a blu-ray and an upconverted DVD is minimal at best. Nobody cares about blu-ray, not for the price hike it currently has. Next argument please.

Do you have a TV that is Blueray approved? Because I have a 60 inch TV that is. And blueray looks amazing on it.  Also, DVDs will eventually go to Blueray, just like VHS went to DVD.  When you watch the Blueray on normal TVs you WILL NOT see the difference. It is stated on the box of the blueray player.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 09:44:19 PM
Do you have a TV that is Blueray approved? Because I have a 60 inch TV that is. And blueray looks amazing on it.  Also, DVDs will eventually go to Blueray, just like VHS went to DVD.

-BigBOBCH
Yep, I have a Blu-ray approved tv (3d as well which is another load of BS). If they all went to DVD, how come I can still go to walmart and buy a VCR?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
Yep, I have a Blu-ray approved tv (3d as well which is another load of BS). If they all went to DVD, how come I can still go to walmart and buy a VCR?

Because people still have VHS movies? I have a closet full. Never watch them but their there. And a lot of times its cheaper to buy a VHS player then re buy all the VHS in DVD form.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 16, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Because people still have VHS movies? I have a closet full. Never watch them but their there. And a lot of times its cheaper to buy a VHS player then re buy all the VHS in DVD form.

-BigBOBCH
That same argument could be used for people not wanting to make the hop to Blu-ray.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 16, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
Because people still have VHS movies? I have a closet full. Never watch them but their there. And a lot of times its cheaper to buy a VHS player then re buy all the VHS in DVD form.

-BigBOBCH
Majority of my movies in my room are on VHS Tapes, I watch them every now and then. Doesn't that make you feel  :old:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Stalwart on May 16, 2011, 10:32:07 PM
While you Your also paying monthly payments for NOTHING extra that the PS3 doesn't get.

If you are paying monthly payments for a Blye-Ray player or a console purchase or for any other gadget, you're already well on the way to FAIL.

Paying fees for a monthly service is a different matter, as long as you've got the money to spend.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 16, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
If you are paying monthly payments for a Blye-Ray player or a console purchase or for any other gadget, you're already well on the way to FAIL.

Paying fees for a monthly service is a different matter, as long as you've got the money to spend.


Ive got plenty of money to spend. I just find no need to spend monthly payments on a system that has over 40% chance to fail within 2 years.

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 17, 2011, 12:12:14 AM
Halo vs Killzone arguments are silly, both are good games in their own right.  Though, I will admit Killzone 3 is a friggin' blast with the Move.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 01:03:45 AM
 I think its a safe bet to say the 15 or so people I know that run the X Box easily meet that 42% of break downs. The 7 or so I know who run the PS3 only 1 had an issue. I only got it for Gran Tourismo so I dont really care either way. If Microcrap stopped sucking up to the green tards,at a staggering cost for using lead free solder, they may have fixed the problem with them. With an almost 50% failure rate,I would say PS3 kicks X Boxes arse just on that alone. Not to mention free online play with no subs.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: clerick on May 17, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
I think LittleBigPlanet for both the PS3 and PSP have multiplayer but not sure since I haven't played that game.  Killzone, ModNation Racers on the PSP I know are multiplayer.

ack-ack

Of all the games that I have, LBP is the one they love the most.  I have to admit it's an amusing little game too.  Close second for my 6, 8 and 9 year old... Nazi Zombies on the COD series.  Nothing makes a father feel good like hearing a 6 year old girl yell "DIE ZOMBIES!!"
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Beefcake on May 17, 2011, 06:00:18 AM
I don't own a PS3, but I do have a lot MMORPG's from Sony. It was quite nice to see that I've been given 45 days of free time on every SOE game I own. Although that's small potatoes compared to the risk of information loss.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 17, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
I have a PS3, but the only time I have used it to access the Internet is for the system updates.  Thought about going online in Madden 11, but as soon as it connected online ads started popping up in the game.  So, no online there.

I use it primarily as a BlueRay player and it works pretty well for that.

Honestly, I have no idea what the PSN is for. Apparently, it is not something I need.

As far as which is better.  There will be fans of consoles and they will arise and rant about how much better theirs is than the other one is.  True be told, they all have their moments and reasons for why one is liked better than the other.  To each his own.  Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: IrishOne on May 17, 2011, 10:58:59 AM
 Thought about going online in Madden 11, but as soon as it connected online ads started popping up in the game.  So, no online there.

that is one of the reasons I sold mine.   i didnt pay good $$$ for it to blast ads in my face while i'm gaming.   I get enough of that from directTV
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 17, 2011, 11:03:57 AM
I never intended to play the game online.  I will  never play an online game on a console.  I have seen what that looks like and I will not have anything to do with it.  Disrespectful bunch of jerks is all it seems is online.

I am enjoying the offline franchise mode, at the moment.  I have kicked up the level high enough it is a refreshing challenge.  At least the AI will not terminate a game when they are loosing.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 01:40:10 PM
You can always count on idiots in any online arena. Thats a given. I dont play the multi -player with the PS3. I do all that with the PC so while all those screaming meanies were bunched up about PS3  being down,I was playing COD BO on the PC online. :joystick:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: IrishOne on May 17, 2011, 01:55:23 PM
  At least the AI will not terminate a game when they are loosing.

that's pretty much the reason i gave up on online madden.    sucks scoring 5 touchdowns in the first half only to have the guy wuit on you at halftime.     my computer already takes up more time than i have, so it only made sense to be rid of the last console i'll probably ever buy.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 17, 2011, 02:13:16 PM
That is the one thing consistent between all the consoles.  The online players really are nasty, foul mouthed, disrespectful people.  It seems there is a contest to see who can have the worst mouth online and the winner is never selected, so they keep on getting worse and worse.

I just got spoiled when I was playing online.  There was a group of players I played UT with and those were some of the best players around.  They were competitive, fun, polite, and respectful. If I could find another group like that one, I would be online everyday.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: JOACH1M on May 17, 2011, 02:20:08 PM
That is the one thing consistent between all the consoles.  The online players really are nasty, foul mouthed, disrespectful people.  It seems there is a contest to see who can have the worst mouth online and the winner is never selected, so they keep on getting worse and worse.


QTF, although some of the things they makes me laugh.


Never will I forget the kid in Search and destroy who was about to get a chopper gunner I trapped him in a corner and slowly shot my pistol to give away the position and he was screaming and jumping about trying to get out! Shortly after we were killed from "across" the map my a spas!  :rofl
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
 Actually theres a flame warrior group that plays WOT and I play with a few from AH. I doubt you would want to run with the FW group Skuzzy as most have their female parts packed full of sand over being banned. :rofl
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: kilo2 on May 17, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 17, 2011, 03:27:21 PM
What are you talking about? PS3 was released like 5 months after the 360... And your paying for NOTHING extra, Halo sucks, the 360 generally breaks in less then 2 years and all it has is problems. The 360 also had over 2 weeks of down time right after release. So for 360 lovers talking smack it really doesnt work.  Everyone I know has replaced their Xbox atleast one time since they bought it. All Xbox has ever had is problems. I dropped my PS2 and Ps3 down the stairs, still works no problem.  Not to mention KZ3>Halo, PS3 has better graphic quality, and again your not paying for nothing like Xbox users do.

-BigBOBCH

Educate yourself on the XBox and the XBox 360, the two-week downtime was for when it first released and it effected all of how many thousand users who rushed to buy it and couldn't wait until XMass?  How many millions of PS3 users just got shafted for almost a month, with compromises to their personal information and CCs?  Laughable.


My XBox has worked fine since the day I got it, I think I've gone through a couple controllers, but they're cheap and I abuse them.  My XBox on the other hand has had no problem as long as I don't let a couple years worth of dirty landry, dirty dishes, and dust pile up on and inside it like everyone else who cries and throws their hands up in the air when their "beloved" XBox overheats and red-circles on them.  Of cource you stoonods are gonna blame the company and product for dropping it down the stairs and breaking, obviously.

XBox was smoking PS2, then the 360 was announced, Sony crit their pants and shoved the blue-ray player into an under-developed console with graphics toted as being superior but upon release got scolded as being not an upgrade to the XBox standard but a minor side-grade?  Where's your coverage of the thousands and thousands of first-production PS3s that were recalled because they were simply built to fail in a mad rush to throw out the door a competitor to XBox finally?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 17, 2011, 03:29:20 PM
QTF, although some of the things they makes me laugh.


Never will I forget the kid in Search and destroy who was about to get a chopper gunner I trapped him in a corner and slowly shot my pistol to give away the position and he was screaming and jumping about trying to get out! Shortly after we were killed from "across" the map my a spas!  :rofl
i was playing WaW yesterday and some kid got mad at me for "killing him across the map with a springfield" when he was 1 kill away from dogs. i just lol'd then told him to calm down.

yeah...thats kind of the concept of the snipers.

I never intended to play the game online.  I will  never play an online game on a console.  I have seen what that looks like and I will not have anything to do with it.  Disrespectful bunch of jerks is all it seems is online.

I am enjoying the offline franchise mode, at the moment.  I have kicked up the level high enough it is a refreshing challenge.  At least the AI will not terminate a game when they are loosing.

try single player games like fallout or something where you dont have to deal with those immature 20 year olds. thats what i switch to when i dont feel like hearing grown men cry and rage quit on XBL
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 17, 2011, 04:04:09 PM
Actually theres a flame warrior group that plays WOT and I play with a few from AH. I doubt you would want to run with the FW group Skuzzy as most have their female parts packed full of sand over being banned. :rofl

It is always amazing to me how some people will blame me for their inability to follow posting rules on a forum.

Let's just say, I really do not lose a lot of sleep over it. :)

Thanks for the offer though.


skorpion, I have a few games I enjoy offline.  I'd like to get Gran Tourismo, but that is one game you really need real people to play against.  Darn it!
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: IrishOne on May 17, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
It is always amazing to me how some people will blame me for their inability to follow posting rules on a forum.


oh, i totally blame me  :D
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Krupinski on May 17, 2011, 04:08:45 PM
It is always amazing to me how some people will blame me for their inability to follow posting rules on a forum.

Let's just say, I really do not lose a lot of sleep over it. :)

Thanks for the offer though.


skorpion, I have a few games I enjoy offline.  I'd like to get Gran Tourismo, but that is one game you really need real people to play against.  Darn it!

Shift 2: Unleashed!  :aok
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 17, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Pigslilspaz on May 17, 2011, 04:19:02 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 17, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 17, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
These are real stats

On the question; “Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault?”

Xbox 360: 42%
PS3: 8%

"Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault more than once?"
Xbox 360: 39%
PS3: 8%

Argument complete

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 17, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
These are real stats

On the question; “Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault?”

Xbox 360: 42%
PS3: 8%

"Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault more than once?"
Xbox 360: 39%
PS3: 8%

Argument complete

-BigBOBCH
question: how many people own PS3's and how many people own an Xbox 360?

tell me that one...
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 17, 2011, 04:55:41 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 17, 2011, 04:58:02 PM
Ah, I figured someone would say this. They did these two questions with 1,000 people for each system. So try again ;)
And people that buy the Xbox 360 make no sense. As previously stated, you are paying for nothing extra, Halo sucks, and the system is garbage.  ;)

-BigBOBCH
you missed the question completely. how many people in the world own xbox 360's and how many own PS3's?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: kilo2 on May 17, 2011, 04:59:11 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 17, 2011, 05:00:10 PM
I tried being polite about this.  Now I will just come right out and say it.

redman, get off of it.  People will buy what they want to buy.  Whatever reason you used to buy a PS3 is fine.  Whatever reason someone buys another console brand is up to them.  It has no effect on you.  Just drop it.  We do not need this nonsense on the board.

I strongly suggest everyone stop trying to get into a 'console war'.  It is not going to solve anything.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 17, 2011, 05:00:34 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
It is always amazing to me how some people will blame me for their inability to follow posting rules on a forum.
Let's just say, I really do not lose a lot of sleep over it. :)
Thanks for the offer though.
 Yea Ive been called flameboy for pointing that out myself.Txmom has pretty much said the same thing. Hell Ive seen people force a ban and go to FW and brag about it,like they did something amazing!!111 zorz!!levenleven.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: kilo2 on May 17, 2011, 05:02:28 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
 Should I?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: kilo2 on May 17, 2011, 05:47:47 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 17, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
 :uhoh
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 17, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
It is always amazing to me how some people will blame me for their inability to follow posting rules on a forum.

Let's just say, I really do not lose a lot of sleep over it. :)

Thanks for the offer though.


skorpion, I have a few games I enjoy offline.  I'd like to get Gran Tourismo, but that is one game you really need real people to play against.  Darn it!

Blame for enforcing, never.  Nitpicking over an individual's perceived interpretations of the rules though, maybe.   :noid
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 17, 2011, 06:16:04 PM
So ehh, anyone excited for Skyrim?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 17, 2011, 06:21:25 PM
Kissing that much bum I thought you might.
Thats funny.Seriously. I stick up for someone who has been nothing but helpful to me and think its funny when the childish get all butt hurt over it and Im a brown nose? If you care to step over to FW I'll be happy to tell you what you can do with that comment as here it would break a few rules sparky :aok
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: kilo2 on May 17, 2011, 06:28:44 PM
Thats funny.Seriously. I stick up for someone who has been nothing but helpful to me and think its funny when the childish get all butt hurt over it and Im a brown nose? If you care to step over to FW I'll be happy to tell you what you can do with that comment as here it would break a few rules sparky :aok

Haha it was a joke, calm down you don't want to get sandy like some of those FWs.

Yes Eskimo I am counting the days.

Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 17, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
you missed the question completely. how many people in the world own xbox 360's and how many own PS3's?

How many Xbox 360s are found in households in Japan compared to PS3? 

We understand that you like the PS3 and it's a good system but others like the Xbox 360 and it's a good system as well.  it's like arguing which is the better game, football or baseball.  Each have their likes and dislikes and leave it at that.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Estes on May 17, 2011, 06:55:11 PM
Err sorry Skuzzy. I didn't intend on starting a console war, simply saying PSN was back up, was wondering if it had been up for a few days. My question was answered.  :)
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 17, 2011, 08:17:31 PM
How many Xbox 360s are found in households in Japan compared to PS3? 
ack-ack
do you actually know the answer or are you being steriotypical?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: fudgums on May 17, 2011, 08:27:19 PM
Xbox and ps3 seem sooo similar lol
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 17, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
Baseball will always win
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 18, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
Baseball has lost since Cal Ripken left.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Masherbrum on May 18, 2011, 06:30:34 AM
These are real stats

On the question; “Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault?”

Xbox 360: 42%
PS3: 8%

"Has your [console] needed to be repaired or replaced due to fault more than once?"
Xbox 360: 39%
PS3: 8%

Argument complete

-BigBOBCH

Wrong.   

"Has your Gaming Network been hacked?"

PS3 - Yes
Xbox - Nope

I own neither box, but NOW it is "complete.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: katanaso on May 18, 2011, 09:49:58 AM
Wrong.   

"Has your Gaming Network been hacked?"

PS3 - Yes
Xbox - Nope

I own neither box, but NOW it is "complete.

Also SOE servers, not just the PS3 network.

I prefer the Xbox controllers over the PS3 controllers, so that's what I own.  I don't play anything online though.  I'll play the storyline of a game to completion, then put the game aside.

Best thing about the Xbox 360 for me:  having a few dozen people sitting around while Rock Band is running.  It's like the most horrible karaoke ever. :)
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 18, 2011, 01:52:12 PM
do you actually know the answer or are you being steriotypical?


Yes I do and you're won't like the answer.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 02:32:42 PM

Yes I do and you're won't like the answer.

ack-ack

....?     :headscratch:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 18, 2011, 02:36:48 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 18, 2011, 02:41:30 PM
How many Xbox 360s are found in households in Japan compared to PS3? 

We understand that you like the PS3 and it's a good system but others like the Xbox 360 and it's a good system as well.  it's like arguing which is the better game, football or baseball.  Each have their likes and dislikes and leave it at that.

ack-ack
i can answer that the xbox360 is a crappy system, since i have owned 2.


first one overheated 2 weeks after i bought it, it actually melted my game disc onto the disc opener, and i couldnt get it to pop out so i sent it in.


they sent me out an elite as a replacement, which RROD 3 months after i got it.


got my money back, went out, bought a ps3. "supercharged" it to 500gb's, and i havent had one problem with it since.


and from owning both, i can say the ps3 is the superior console. my only regret is not buying it first. then i wouldnt of had to put up with m$ b.s
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 02:45:23 PM
i can answer that the xbox360 is a crappy system, since i have owned 2.


first one overheated 2 weeks after i bought it, it actually melted my game disc onto the disc opener, and i couldnt get it to pop out so i sent it in.


they sent me out an elite as a replacement, which RROD 3 months after i got it.


got my money back, went out, bought a ps3. "supercharged" it to 500gb's, and i havent had one problem with it since.


and from owning both, i can say the ps3 is the superior console. my only regret is not buying it first. then i wouldnt of had to put up with m$ b.s

as multiple people have already said, we all have our favorites. and my xbox hasnt broken in over 4 years that ive had it. i had 1 part of the RROD but that went away when i figured out that my xbox overheated after 7 straight hours of accidentally leaving it on overnight. id rather have to pay a cheap amount of money each month (10 bux for the next year) than have to deal with a company that ripped off the wii. kinect has been more popular than PS3's move or whatever it is. also xbox 360's are alot cheaper than a PS3 where i live
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 18, 2011, 02:47:47 PM
actually your WRONG.

Xbox was hacked back in 2007, in which its network did get shut down for 2 weeks & 25,000 accounts got stolen.




have fun paying for your internet boys, i'll keep enjoying my free PSN and all the fun it brings.

Thank you Tyrannis, was just going to post that. Also Xbox360 had the system coding and programming broken within one week of release. I believe it took around 6 months for the PS3.


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
wow...this turned into a console war real quick...
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 18, 2011, 03:08:51 PM
Thank you Tyrannis, was just going to post that. Also Xbox360 had the system coding and programming broken within one week of release. I believe it took around 6 months for the PS3.


-BigBOBCH

i think there was a minor credit card hack problem when the ps3 first came out, but it was fixed 3 days later.






as multiple people have already said, we all have our favorites. and my xbox hasnt broken in over 4 years that ive had it. i had 1 part of the RROD but that went away when i figured out that my xbox overheated after 7 straight hours of accidentally leaving it on overnight. id rather have to pay a cheap amount of money each month (10 bux for the next year) than have to deal with a company that ripped off the wii. kinect has been more popular than PS3's move or whatever it is. also xbox 360's are alot cheaper than a PS3 where i live


1. how did SONY rip off the wii? if anything the wii ripped off sony&ps2. see, sony had motion control out before both xbox or nintendo did in the form of the eyetoy back with the ps2. sony sued nintendo over the wii, claiming it was sporting sony made hardware.
if anything, the kinect is a rip-off of the ps2 eyetoy, and the ps3 playstation Eye (both which came out before kinect)
and the wii is a ripoff of playstations eyetoy.
sure, the move may look similier to the wii's num chucks, but sony had motion control out first. so its not really "ripping off".
and the reason kinect has sold more than the move is 1 simple reason:advertisement.
if anything, M$ is ripping off sony by coming out with an "xbox slim".

M$ advertises the Kinect constantly. ive barely seen the move advertised. i play alot of shooter games. so i bought the move+sharpshooter gun to play with Killzone 3 (which both are amazing).

2. ya know that $15 a month you pay for stuff off XBL? guess what? ps3 has a web browser, which pretty much gives you everything for free, that you pay for on xbl. only benefit i can see to paying for xbl is receiving DLC content 1 month earlier than PSN, and thats not rly worth the pricetag on it.

3. Overheating that easily is still signs of a crappily built system. i left my ps3 on for a whole week once before (Was playing oblivion, kept joining missions on there& didnt want to quit so i left it on).
it was HOT, but still worked just fine. plus ps3's fan isent as loud as 360's.


call me a fanboy if you want, but ive had both. (and my mother had a wii, that now is collecting dust in her closet).
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 18, 2011, 03:16:22 PM
Folks, discuss consoles all you like, but do so in a respectful manner.  Last warning.  From this point forward you will be suspended and/or banned from the forum if you cannot post in accordance with the forum posting rules.

There is no reason why this topic cannot be discussed and I am not going to all anyone to turn this into a train wreck of forum posting violations.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Penguin on May 18, 2011, 03:18:16 PM
Pwn't! :rofl

-Penguin
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: guttboy on May 18, 2011, 04:01:21 PM
There will be XBox fans and PS3 fans.

I enjoy the PS3.... Blu ray player and gaming?  What's not to like?


Plenty of audio options......nice for video/audiophiles]

Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
3. Overheating that easily is still signs of a crappily built system. i left my ps3 on for a whole week once before (Was playing oblivion, kept joining missions on there& didnt want to quit so i left it on).
it was HOT, but still worked just fine. plus ps3's fan isent as loud as 360's.
call me a fanboy if you want, but ive had both. (and my mother had a wii, that now is collecting dust in her closet).
notice, i said 1 part that went away after i turned it off and then back on. no big problem.
now lets hear the answer to these questions

does the PS3 have interchangable covers?
does the PS3 have the ability to plug in MP3's/ipods?
does the PS3 have netflix?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 18, 2011, 04:25:09 PM
notice, i said 1 part that went away after i turned it off and then back on. no big problem.
now lets hear the answer to these questions

does the PS3 have interchangable covers?
does the PS3 have the ability to plug in MP3's/ipods?
does the PS3 have netflix?
PS3 can plug in ipods, it has netflix, and for the cover part....spray paint works :D
xbox and PS3 are pretty much even except for: cost,memory,Blu-ray, and internet (only a few games different). i have both,what i play just depends on my mood :aok
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 04:28:56 PM
PS3 can plug in ipods, it has netflix, and for the cover part....spray paint works :D
well i was talking about not having to spray paint it. i can change the faceplate, top and bottom cover with different designs

right now i have a flaming skull on the top, decaying fog screen on the bottom and the faceplate has multicolor on it.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 18, 2011, 04:40:16 PM
I cannot see interchangeable faceplates being a purchase decision for me.  My PS3 is behind a wall in a media closet.  No one can see it, or hear it.

I have an external USB hub exposed so I can plug in any dongles a game might need.  I also replaced the stock HD with a 500GB hard drive.

Netflix is available, but I never use it.  The video and audio quality are too poor.

If i have to, I can play a BluRay so it keeps me from having to have another device in my media cabinet.


I really do not know much about the XBox. I just do what I can to avoid buying anything made by Microsoft as they are already a big enough monopoly as it is.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 18, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Xbox and ps3 seem sooo similar lol

They are in a broad sence, none is physicaly superior than the other in any way, this is why PS3 pushed so hard to get their patented Blue Ray player in it.  Both companies customer service is ~ and likely manned by armies of "Peggy"s.  It's little things though and the comanie's experience that drives my oinion that one is better than the other.  The recent security comprimise to PS3's network kind of brought my opinion of who had a better developed network and account-information management backbone behind their online networks, I doubt it will ever happen again now but to me I will still likely never buy their product given I suspect there are other critical things that haven't been managed well and have no or poor oversight from Sony's end.

I wonder how many other people that had previous substantial experience with SOE (years before PS3) have had that effect their decision to buy or not buy a PS3?...


<snip>

I really do not know much about the XBox. I just do what I can to avoid buying anything made by Microsoft as they are already a big enough monopoly as it is.

I took it as a curse and blessing when I made my decision to buy an XBox for that exact reason.  They've monopolized the market and set the standard everyone is trying to copy, or at least back a few years ago at the time they definetley had a larger monopoly on the console market. 

Looking at SOE and their PS3 network though with past experiences... IMHO they're not an evil-monopoly... just evil.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
I cannot see interchangeable faceplates being a purchase decision for me.  My PS3 is behind a wall in a media closet.  No one can see it, or hear it.

I have an external USB hub exposed so I can plug in any dongles a game might need.  I also replaced the stock HD with a 500GB hard drive.

Netflix is available, but I never use it.  The video and audio quality are too poor.

If i have to, I can play a BluRay so it keeps me from having to have another device in my media cabinet.


I really do not know much about the XBox. I just do what I can to avoid buying anything made by Microsoft as they are already a big enough monopoly as it is.
netflix on my xbox seems to work perfect...but whats the difference between blu-ray and regular DvD?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 18, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
notice, i said 1 part that went away after i turned it off and then back on. no big problem.
now lets hear the answer to these questions

does the PS3 have interchangable covers?
does the PS3 have the ability to plug in MP3's/ipods?
does the PS3 have netflix?
1. you mean to say is the ps3's design customizable? sure, if you want it too be. but i'd rather have a great gaming system than a system that looks great.

2. yes it does, and you can plug it in& download files from your computer onto your ps3. its how i got all my ipod music onto my ps3.

3. yes it does, infact ps3 was the first out of all 3 consoles to HAVE netflix. followed by the wii, then finally xbox. we also can rent movies off of PSN, AND we have hulu. so we basically have 3 movie rental options to choose from.

Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 18, 2011, 05:07:16 PM

does the PS3 have interchangable covers?
does the PS3 have the ability to plug in MP3's/ipods?
does the PS3 have netflix?

Can always tell who doesnt know what their talking about

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: JOACH1M on May 18, 2011, 05:14:22 PM
I enjoyed making people mad when I was host in hardcore search and destroy to pull out my rocket launcher and kill 2-4 of them at each time we spawned! In world at war  :rofl
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: skorpion on May 18, 2011, 05:21:27 PM
I enjoyed making people mad when I was host in hardcore search and destroy to pull out my rocket launcher and kill 2-4 of them at each time we spawned! In world at war  :rofl
well..thats nice to know...were kinda discussing the PSN right now but whatever floats your boat.

1. you mean to say is the ps3's design customizable? sure, if you want it too be. but i'd rather have a great gaming system than a system that looks great.

2. yes it does, and you can plug it in& download files from your computer onto your ps3. its how i got all my ipod music onto my ps3.

3. yes it does, infact ps3 was the first out of all 3 consoles to HAVE netflix. followed by the wii, then finally xbox. we also can rent movies off of PSN, AND we have hulu. so we basically have 3 movie rental options to choose from.



xbox also has hulu and we can get games directly off the marketplace for about 40% cheaper than buying it instore (certain games)

just wondering if PS3 can do the same thing as the games.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: guttboy on May 18, 2011, 05:34:28 PM
So........

Please explain how an XBOX can duplicate or surpass the Blu Ray/audio of a PS3?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 18, 2011, 05:45:18 PM
well..thats nice to know...were kinda discussing the PSN right now but whatever floats your boat.

xbox also has hulu and we can get games directly off the marketplace for about 40% cheaper than buying it instore (certain games)

just wondering if PS3 can do the same thing as the games.
yes we can, psn exclusives, other games, ps2/ps1 games. and can download ps1 games onto our psp if we feel like it.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 18, 2011, 06:09:14 PM
netflix on my xbox seems to work perfect...but whats the difference between blu-ray and regular DvD?

As I understand it, Blue-Ray compared to other formats:

Regular DvD: Higher picture quality and high-quality digital audio.
HD DvD (what we most use these days): Minimal to no picture quality improvement, and while it has digital audio, Blue-Rays are a noticabley higher quality audio to most.

If you're big into audio for your movies, and have invested in a home theatre package that could benefit from the highest-quality audio available, then investing in a Blue-Ray player becomes justifyable in my book, otherwise I think most people that have a Blue-Ray player are like people who buy $20,000 rims for their car that is only a hoopty worth $2,000 by itself.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 18, 2011, 06:32:15 PM
So........

Please explain how an XBOX can duplicate or surpass the Blu Ray/audio of a PS3?


Since Sony is more interested in keeping their patented player exclusive to their own console and brands, or licensing it to those that aren't a threat to them, rather than opening it up to be marketed and utilized as an additional accessory for use by everyone in a very large and established console market (ego before profit?)...  take a USB memory stick, transfer the media from your computer to it, take the stick and plug it into your XBox and play it. 

You could also hook your XBox up to network with your computer, directly transfer it to your XBox's hard drive over the network, but you could also just hook your TV up to your computer and just play it from your computer.  This also obsoletes PS3's need too, you can play higher-defintion media straigth from your computer to your TV without any need for a console (or did Sony not tell you guys this stuff like XBox and Microsoft does?  because either way to Microsoft in those cases, you're likely to be using one of their products to get you your greatest viewing pleasure.  all you'll hear from Sony is "just use ours, ours is better, don't think about the alternatives, there is none to our exclusively patented product, just use ours, ours is better,")
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 18, 2011, 06:45:16 PM
Ps3 is confirmed and proven to have better graphics, and sharper and cleaner imaging. 

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Meatwad on May 18, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
does the PS3 have interchangable covers?
does the PS3 have the ability to plug in MP3's/ipods?
does the PS3 have netflix?

#1 - dont care about face covers. Its fine the way it is
#2 - If I want to use an MP3 through a device, I will plug it into the stereo using a RCA/headphone pigtail
#3 - I have no use for netflix, I wait until it comes on tv for free
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: TheMany on May 18, 2011, 06:51:15 PM
I enjoyed making people mad when I was host in hardcore search and destroy to pull out my rocket launcher and kill 2-4 of them at each time we spawned! In world at war  :rofl

Noob
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: fudgums on May 18, 2011, 06:54:05 PM
nintendo 64 FTW!
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 18, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
nintendo 64 FTW!
:rofl

and skuzzy saves the day  :rock
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: JOACH1M on May 18, 2011, 07:19:11 PM
Noob
:rofl :rofl cool name!
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: perdue3 on May 18, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
Ah, too late  :cry
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: JOACH1M on May 18, 2011, 07:36:25 PM
Ah, too late  :cry
:)
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: clerick on May 19, 2011, 02:01:45 AM
You could also hook your XBox up to network with your computer, directly transfer it to your XBox's hard drive over the network, but you could also just hook your TV up to your computer and just play it from your computer.  This also obsoletes PS3's need too, you can play higher-defintion media straigth from your computer to your TV without any need for a console (or did Sony not tell you guys this stuff like XBox and Microsoft does?  because either way to Microsoft in those cases, you're likely to be using one of their products to get you your greatest viewing pleasure.  all you'll hear from Sony is "just use ours, ours is better, don't think about the alternatives, there is none to our exclusively patented product, just use ours, ours is better,")

My PS3 streams from my media server and is able to access all shared media on my home network, I can also transfer media to the console if I really wanted to.

As for skuzzy's issues with Netflix, I can't say that I have any of those issues.  Have you talked to a networking guru to resolve any issues you may have?  :D  :bolt:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 19, 2011, 03:08:57 AM
Since Sony is more interested in keeping their patented player exclusive to their own console and brands, or licensing it to those that aren't a threat to them, rather than opening it up to be marketed and utilized as an additional accessory for use by everyone in a very large and established console market (ego before profit?)...  take a USB memory stick, transfer the media from your computer to it, take the stick and plug it into your XBox and play it. 

You could also hook your XBox up to network with your computer, directly transfer it to your XBox's hard drive over the network, but you could also just hook your TV up to your computer and just play it from your computer.  This also obsoletes PS3's need too, you can play higher-defintion media straigth from your computer to your TV without any need for a console (or did Sony not tell you guys this stuff like XBox and Microsoft does?  because either way to Microsoft in those cases, you're likely to be using one of their products to get you your greatest viewing pleasure.  all you'll hear from Sony is "just use ours, ours is better, don't think about the alternatives, there is none to our exclusively patented product, just use ours, ours is better,")
from the way you make it sound, you'd need an
-xbox 360

-some mildly expensive cords.

-a high definition computer.

-good looking tv.


to get the same graphical quality a ps3 has. mkay.

or i could just

-buy a ps3

-supercharge it to 500gb(same that my computer is holding)

-hook it up to my hp2310m monitor.


-still gets better graphics than xbox.


im waiting on the major PC gamer guy to come in here and say "well PC has better graphics than both!"  :noid
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 19, 2011, 03:18:37 AM
I cannot see interchangeable faceplates being a purchase decision for me.  My PS3 is behind a wall in a media closet.  No one can see it, or hear it.

I have an external USB hub exposed so I can plug in any dongles a game might need.  I also replaced the stock HD with a 500GB hard drive.

Netflix is available, but I never use it.  The video and audio quality are too poor.

If i have to, I can play a BluRay so it keeps me from having to have another device in my media cabinet.


I really do not know much about the XBox. I just do what I can to avoid buying anything made by Microsoft as they are already a big enough monopoly as it is.
hey skuzzy, you might be the wrong person to ask this, but what do you think the chances are of hitech bringing AH to the consoles?

maybe make a download to where we can access the AH world on our ps3s it would be nice.

the Ps3 is capable of hosting allmost 300 ppl in 1 game match (MAG is evidence of this).


last summer, i was able to download AH onto my ps3, it showed up in my game folder as the AH symbol, but when i clicked it, it read

"file size too big to open"


would love to some day be able to fly the skies on my ps3/ps4.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Kazaa on May 19, 2011, 05:37:04 AM
I never intended to play the game online.  I will  never play an online game on a console.  I have seen what that looks like and I will not have anything to do with it.  Disrespectful bunch of jerks is all it seems is online.

I am enjoying the offline franchise mode, at the moment.  I have kicked up the level high enough it is a refreshing challenge.  At least the AI will not terminate a game when they are loosing.

It's amazing how people behave when they can hide behind anonymity. For this reason I like iRacing's way of doing things. Every member has their full name, country and the state they live in displayed for everyone else to see.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: TheMany on May 19, 2011, 05:42:23 AM
It's amazing how people behave when they can hide behind anonymity. For this reason I like iRacing's way of doing things. Every member has their full name, country and the state they live in displayed for everyone else to see.

YEAH!!
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Kazaa on May 19, 2011, 08:04:41 AM
YEAH!!

:cool:
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 19, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
Hmm, okay, where to start?

Let's talk about the poor quality of Netflix video stream.  At its best setting, for native HD content, Netflix will stream about 4.8Kbp/s.  The native BluRay HD video stream can run up to 40Mbp/s.  Realistically, it rarely exceeds 28Mb/s.

Now, to be fair.  If you have a standard definition television (480i), you will never be able to see the differences between HD content and regular analog content.  If you have large screen HD television, which will support 1080p, then you can ("can" being the operative word) see a huge difference in the quality between a Netflix stream and the native HD stream from a BluRay player.

As to the resolutions.
Standard DVD: 480p (most DVD players only do 480i, data stream up to 24Kb/s)
Line doubled DVD: 720p (depends on the doubler, it also might be 720i, data stream up to 24Kb/s)
Native HD content: 1080p (data stream up to 40Mb/s)

Those are lines of resolution.  Netflix best data stream is far less than half the bandwidth of standard DVD.  Even a good line doubling DVD player will look better, with regular content, over the Netflix HD stream, if you have a really good HD television.  While the native stream of a good BluRay player is about 200 times faster than the stream from Netflix.

What difference does the stream rate make?  Ok, in any MPEG compression scheme the data rate dictates how lossy the data stream will be.  The slower the rate, the more information is thrown away.  What Netflix is counting on is you do not have a native version of the content they are streaming to you.  And/or you do not have a high quality television (most people do not).

Now, MPEG4 (H.264), for BluRay, is a better compressor than the MPEG2 (DVD content) is and does a better job of removing artifacts from the content stream.  This is also what Netflix counts on.  Fewer artifacts translates to a perception of good quality video.  This just means they can get away with a highly reduced data stream for native HD content with most people being content with it.

Native HD content, via BluRay, is very difficult to decode and display.  Just because a television claims it can do 1080p, does not mean you will actually be able to get the best visual experience available.

Bottomline is this.  If you are not willing to purchase a really high quality HD television, then there really is no need to go BluRay at all.  However, if you do go the high end route, BluRay content is so sharp and clear you almost feel like you can stick your hand into the scene.  It is truly impressive.

Personally, I hope BluRay dies a violent and sudden death.  The licensing fees are absolutely rediculous and amounts to nothing but greed run amok, which forces the price of the content to stupid heights.

Whether you like Netflix, or not, the quality cannot help but be worse than the native data stream from any high quality, local hardware.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 19, 2011, 11:51:25 AM
Hmm, okay, where to start?

Let's talk about the poor quality of Netflix video stream.  At its best setting, for native HD content, Netflix will stream about 4.8Kbp/s.  The native BluRay HD video stream can run up to 40Mbp/s.  Realistically, it rarely exceeds 28Mb/s.

Now, to be fair.  If you have a standard definition television (480i), you will never be able to see the differences between HD content and regular analog content.  If you have large screen HD television, which will support 1080p, then you can ("can" being the operative word) see a huge difference in the quality between a Netflix stream and the native HD stream from a BluRay player.

As to the resolutions.
Standard DVD: 480p (most DVD players only do 480i, data stream up to 24Kb/s)
Line doubled DVD: 720p (depends on the doubler, it also might be 720i, data stream up to 24Kb/s)
Native HD content: 1080p (data stream up to 40Mb/s)

Those are lines of resolution.  Netflix best data stream is far less than half the bandwidth of standard DVD.  Even a good line doubling DVD player will look better, with regular content, over the Netflix HD stream, if you have a really good HD television.  While the native stream of a good BluRay player is about 200 times faster than the stream from Netflix.

What difference does the stream rate make?  Ok, in any MPEG compression scheme the data rate dictates how lossy the data stream will be.  The slower the rate, the more information is thrown away.  What Netflix is counting on is you do not have a native version of the content they are streaming to you.  And/or you do not have a high quality television (most people do not).

Now, MPEG4 (H.264), for BluRay, is a better compressor than the MPEG2 (DVD content) is and does a better job of removing artifacts from the content stream.  This is also what Netflix counts on.  Fewer artifacts translates to a perception of good quality video.  This just means they can get away with a highly reduced data stream for native HD content with most people being content with it.

Native HD content, via BluRay, is very difficult to decode and display.  Just because a television claims it can do 1080p, does not mean you will actually be able to get the best visual experience available.

Bottomline is this.  If you are not willing to purchase a really high quality HD television, then there really is no need to go BluRay at all.  However, if you do go the high end route, BluRay content is so sharp and clear you almost feel like you can stick your hand into the scene.  It is truly impressive.

Personally, I hope BluRay dies a violent and sudden death.  The licensing fees are absolutely rediculous and amounts to nothing but greed run amok, which forces the price of the content to stupid heights.

Whether you like Netflix, or not, the quality cannot help but be worse than the native data stream from any high quality, local hardware.

PSN does have a "movies and shows" section in the store, where you can rent BLU-ray movies &download them straight to your ps3. (or buy)
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 19, 2011, 12:55:42 PM
Are they really downloading 40GB+ to your PS3 when you chose to rent a BluRay movie?  That is about the size of a typical BluRay movie.  Are are they streaming a watered down version of the BluRay?

I have never looked at PSN.  I really don't even know how to get there.  I could figure it out, but I have no interest in anything online from a game console.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Tyrannis on May 19, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
Are they really downloading 40GB+ to your PS3 when you chose to rent a BluRay movie?  That is about the size of a typical BluRay movie.  Are are they streaming a watered down version of the BluRay?

I have never looked at PSN.  I really don't even know how to get there.  I could figure it out, but I have no interest in anything online from a game console.
im not very knowledgeable tech wise, but i think they download it. because you have to download the movie fully in order to watch it. idk what PSN did tho, but 2 months ago, downloading time sped up immensly. usually took 3-4hrs to download a game off psn. now it takes only an hr&half at the most.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 19, 2011, 02:01:58 PM
nintendo 64 FTW!

N64 and the original PS are classics these days, and I felt old when those came out, lol.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: guttboy on May 19, 2011, 02:33:09 PM
Bab,

Just for argument sake.....which system gives a better output on sound.....


I would argue the PS3 hands down....

Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 19, 2011, 03:17:54 PM
My PS3 streams from my media server and is able to access all shared media on my home network, I can also transfer media to the console if I really wanted to.

As for skuzzy's issues with Netflix, I can't say that I have any of those issues.  Have you talked to a networking guru to resolve any issues you may have?  :D  :bolt:

In those situations, I figure, why not play them directly from your media server (assuming it's a high-end media-playing PC) to your TV and cut out the middle-man or so?  If you play AH on that rig, you can adjust your settup to play off the big-screen when the misses or kids are outa town for the weekend.  I can see it being practical if your rig and primary TV were a long distance apart, but otherwise...

Bab,

Just for argument sake.....which system gives a better output on sound.....


I would argue the PS3 hands down....



Well, since you obviously read my last post that touched on audio quality from blue-rays and other dvds but now are just purely asking about audio quality without any picture or graphic...

Since digital audio CDs have a higher quality sound than any blue ray or dvd or game audio files, both.

Since you can directly play from the CD or rip a HD copy straight from the CD to your console's hard drive (or tranfer a high-def digital audio file from your computer to the console via memory stick or network).

Isn't common sence fun?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 19, 2011, 03:38:27 PM
All CD's are digital audio.  Are you talking about SACD's?  Those carry the highest quality audio, but require a player which can play them.  They are not compatible with anything else.

HD audio is the next step down.  BluRay uses a similar format for its audio stereo tracks (192Khz sample rate, 32 bit resolution).  This is similar to what the digital recording studios use.  The Dolby tracks are recorded differently.

DVD's audio stereo channels are the same as a standard CD (44.1Khz sample rate, 16 bit resolution).

Standard CD audio is 44.1Khz sample at 16 bit resolution.  On occasion you can find 48Khz sample at 16 bit resolution.  Then there is the low end CD which uses less than 44.1Khz so they can cram more music on the CD.


So what specific audio standard are you talking about Babalonian, that is better than the stereo audio channels on an HD audio encoded disc (BluRay, at the moment)?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Babalonian on May 19, 2011, 04:54:13 PM
What's SACD?   :rolleyes:

I don't quite understand your meaning of HD audio being the next step down Skuzzy (DvD HD maybe?), it don't make sence, but that's probabley the same reason why I got your pointed repsonce to my post, a missunderstanding (chill brotha, it's like you're mad at me or something still after last week after choosing to ignore my email responce about my little vacation :D ). 

Digital audio recordings on a CD in a file-format of 32-bit (or greater) and with a high sample rate is the best you can get (well, technicaly I think theres some 64-bits out there now, they were working on it last I heard anything about it in "the biz"... and IMHO if you notice the difference with your ears, go into the profession of safe cracking), but they do not conform to the established Red Book standard.

Standard audio Compact Disks (CDs) that are produced for an individual consumer's consumption and come with this* neat little logo we're all familiar with and must ocmply with the established Red Book industry standard ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(CD_standard) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(CD_standard)) ).
*(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/CDDAlogo.svg/150px-CDDAlogo.svg.png)

If you buy a (Red Book-) standard audio CD then it must comply with 44.1/16.

I mentioned in a post yesterday that it is the same for DvDs, 44.1/16.  I also mentioned in that same post that blue-ray is the best consumer-available audio quality on a CD format available today, at as you pointed out 192/32.

I was doing this stuff almost ten years ago for non-union independent production sound recording on entertainment productions here in LA and "Howwywood", before blue ray, our standard was we would record straight to a CD burning rig we had settup to *.wav format in stereophonic (x2) 11.025 Hz at 16-bit.  At the time we were praised because CDs are cheap (compared to tape) and we would keep recording between takes and not hesitate to have the recorder running so we never missed a sound or line they wanted to use.  For the cost of ten tapes we could provide 100s of CDs worth of raw audio.

So when I tpyicaly say a HD audio recording on a CD I mean it's a CD you created or aquired that has burned to it digital audio files of a standard format higher than that produced on the common established consumer CD media standards.


If I use the apropriate emoticon provided by Waffle on this bulletin board for our use at this point in my post, will I get another vacation?
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: Skuzzy on May 19, 2011, 07:29:37 PM
SACD = Super Audio CD.  It is sampled at over 2Mhz.  Nothing approaches it, but then again, not much supports it.

The highest CD sampling rate, which will play on most, not all, players is 192Khz, 32 bit.  

The lowest sample rate for HD audio is 384Khz @ 32 bits.

Your posts are confusing as they are referring to "Digital Audio CD", which is anything recorded on a CD.  And you are stating it was the best you can get.  Simply not true.

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I mentioned in a post yesterday that it is the same for DvDs, 44.1/16.  I also mentioned in that same post that blue-ray is the best consumer-available audio quality on a CD format available today, at as you pointed out 192/32.

This is really confusing.  BluRay is not on a CD format.  BluRay is completely different from CD.  The only things they have in common is they are both 5 1/4" in diameter and they both store digital data.  BluRay can store "HD Audio".  CD's cannot.  The data cannot be streamed fast enough off of a CD to feed an HD audio stream.

You seem to be mixing terms, which is causing a lot of confusion.  I am not upset. I am just confused by your posts.


I am enjoying the discussion, but I have to get ready to go to a Cobra gathering and run.
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: redman555 on May 19, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
SACD = Super Audio CD.  It is sampled at over 2Mhz.  Nothing approaches it, but then again, not much supports it.

The highest CD sampling rate, which will play on most, not all, players is 192Khz, 32 bit.  

The lowest sample rate for HD audio is 384Khz @ 32 bits.

Your posts are confusing as they are referring to "Digital Audio CD", which is anything recorded on a CD.  And you are stating it was the best you can get.  Simply not true.

This is really confusing.  BluRay is not on a CD format.  BluRay is completely different from CD.  The only things they have in common is they are both 5 1/4" in diameter and they both store digital data.  BluRay can store "HD Audio".  CD's cannot.  The data cannot be streamed fast enough off of a CD to feed an HD audio stream.

You seem to be mixing terms, which is causing a lot of confusion.  I am not upset. I am just confused by your posts.


I am enjoying the discussion, but I have to get ready to go to a Cobra gathering and run.

Your to smart skuzzy.....way to smart...

-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Playstation network.
Post by: DrDea on May 19, 2011, 08:01:30 PM
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