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Title: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 21, 2011, 07:46:39 PM
Hey guys, I've come here to settle an argument with some of my friends.  I attended a three week boating school last summer, and my liscence says that I can be the skipper of any boat, from sunfish to supertanker while inland.  It also limits me to a 7m boat out to 2 nautical miles out to sea.  Both of these require adult supervision.

Here is my question; if my mom/dad/adult and I went to the harbor and rented a boat for the family to have a party on, would I be allowed to be its skipper?

Specific details (Important to the discussion, but boring to read)
I am a minor
I am a citizen of the United States
I attended this school in Poland
My rank is zeglarz jachtowy, or in English, yacht sailor/yachtsman

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: oboe on May 21, 2011, 07:57:21 PM
My advice is to check with the place you plan to rent from ahead of time and ask them.   I think the answer may vary from place to place, and with the size of boat you want to rent.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 21, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
I'm talking about something around 7m with two sails, one mast and a small cabin to relax in once we've either set a steady course or dropped anchor.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: gyrene81 on May 21, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
I'm talking about something around 7m with two sails, one mast and a small cabin to relax in once we've either set a steady course or dropped anchor.

-Penguin
gilligan thinks you're crazy...

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Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 21, 2011, 09:28:38 PM
How is that crazy?  That's a boat that we used in boating school, and it was the midsized one.  The biggest one had a concrete hull with three sails and two masts.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: 68ZooM on May 21, 2011, 10:15:33 PM
well as long as your legal and licensed i don't see why you couldn't it sounds like alot of fun to me. Your a minor so the rental agreement would have to go through the Adult/Parent it would not matter what country your from or citizenship, people rent Boats and other watercraft on Vacations all over the world.  Now as far as operating the Boat as long as your legal to do so with Adult supervision there's no problem.

My son got his license when he was 14 but he could of gotten it at age 12, from age 12 to 17 you have to have an Adult with you while operating the Boat. So i would say you should be OK with it
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 21, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
well as long as your legal and licensed i don't see why you couldn't it sounds like alot of fun to me. Your a minor so the rental agreement would have to go through the Adult/Parent it would not matter what country your from or citizenship, people rent Boats and other watercraft on Vacations all over the world.  Now as far as operating the Boat as long as your legal to do so with Adult supervision there's no problem.

My son got his license when he was 14 but he could of gotten it at age 12, from age 12 to 17 you have to have an Adult with you while operating the Boat. So i would say you should be OK with it

I found out the same thing, and I was dissappointed that I could have gotten it two years earlier.  That sounds great, thanks.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: icepac on May 22, 2011, 01:21:10 AM
Wait until you sail a 35 C&C with only one helper.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: LThunderpocket on May 22, 2011, 02:55:18 AM
ask spongebob.oh wait,thats a bad idea
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: clerick on May 22, 2011, 03:01:49 AM
Check with the rental company.  Their insurance provider will have the final say I'm sure.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Meatwad on May 22, 2011, 08:35:37 AM
I thought Mrs Puff taught all that in class?
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: ozrocker on May 22, 2011, 08:45:59 AM
Maybe they licensed you for R/C boats, instead of real ones?
How could anyone be licensed for a Tanker, with only 3 weeks training? lol

                                                                                             <S> Oz
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 22, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
If you haven't seen water, then take it.

I grew up on the lake, and know how bad it can be.  On the other hand, it's not so bad.

Not my boat, but one just like.  Best part is leveling the big blocks out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5GRbKs840


Rash
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: PFactorDave on May 22, 2011, 09:08:09 AM
I find it unlikely that a boat rental business in the United States will honor a license granted in a foreign country to a minor.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Muzzy on May 22, 2011, 09:43:37 AM
Advice for AH players taking Boating School:

1. Avoid urge to shell coastal facilities.

2. Do not plot silly zig-zag courses.

3. Do not bring large vessels close to shore "so I can launch LVT's"

4. Do not take evasive action if you happen to spot a vintage warbird flying overhead.

5. Do not practice torpedo runs on nearby sea traffic.

6. Do not shout at passengers to get on the guns you don't have.

7. Do not joke about submarines (they can hear you, and they don't like it).

8. While approaching harbor, do not shout at nearby air traffic to "kill the damn shore bats".

9. Do not whine about lack of air support.

10. For the love of dog (or sheep) do not go "feet dry".
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Vudak on May 22, 2011, 10:16:49 AM
Penguin, I would imagine it would depend on the state, and whether or not anyone is willing to honor your foreign certificate.  You could save yourself some headaches and sign up for a 1-day safe boating class.  It'll give you a license people have actually heard of, and isn't all that expensive. 
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 22, 2011, 10:20:31 AM
Hmm, I suppose.  I'll do it for sure, just to have another piece of cool looking paper to show the harbor master.  It's just that I can go for helmsman over there in about 4-5 years.  That'll let me do even more, and then the rank of sea captain and icebreaker captain.

As for the question of the tanker, yes, I can.  It says any boat with or without mechanical propulsion inland.  That includes supertankers.

-Penguin

Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Golfer on May 22, 2011, 11:08:52 AM
I don't have to look at your "license" to tell you that you can't captain a super tanker.

I hate to tell you but you couldn't even run a fishing charter outfit on a US registered 20' john boat with whatever the heck you have.

Google "OUPV" and see what you find.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 22, 2011, 11:45:24 AM
There must be something I missed, argh!  It doesn't seem to say anything about size limitations on the card though.  I must be mistaken, there isn't much on it.  It seemed to good to be true.

-Penguin

Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 22, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
Just remember, don't suck at being el captain and have a great time.

rash.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: ozrocker on May 22, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
I don't have to look at your "license" to tell you that you can't captain a super tanker.

I hate to tell you but you couldn't even run a fishing charter outfit on a US registered 20' john boat with whatever the heck you have.

Google "OUPV" and see what you find.
  QFT :rofl :rofl a 2 week course for 40,000 ton ship


                                                                                        <S> Oz
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 22, 2011, 06:44:03 PM
I don't see what's funny, though, I check the liscense and it oddly forgets to put any sort of limitation.  I'm serious, even I'm astounded.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Halo46 on May 22, 2011, 06:49:43 PM
Your license is always good here at Hobo's used Tables!




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Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Golfer on May 22, 2011, 06:53:58 PM
I don't see what's funny, though, I check the liscense and it oddly forgets to put any sort of limitation.  I'm serious, even I'm astounded.

-Penguin

I have a pilot certificate that doesn't put any limitations that I cannot fly the space shuttle. I guess I will head on down to Kennedy and make Atlantis' last flight a real crowd pleaser.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: ozrocker on May 22, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
LMAO!

                                                                                                <S> Oz
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 22, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Oops, I didn't mean to say that I was  qualified to be the skipper of a tanker, just that my liscence didn't say that I couldn't be.  Me?  At the helm of a super tanker?  You're right, I am a screw loose!  :rofl

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: phatzo on May 22, 2011, 08:30:42 PM
was Mrs Puff your instructor at boating school?
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Dadano on May 22, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
It sounds like you want to do something like a barefoot charter. You simply go to the charter company and 'checkout' with the Fleet Captain. Prior to taking your group out by yourself, the FC will get you orientated with the boat then you will demonstrate to him that you can handle the boat out of the slip and out on the open water. He will take note of your navigational knowledge and overall seamanship/competence and make the call as to whether or not the company lets you helm the boat.  It is usually pretty informal depending on the size of the boat.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Meatwad on May 22, 2011, 09:12:15 PM
was Mrs Puff your instructor at boating school?

Beat you  ;)
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Dragon on May 23, 2011, 07:57:35 AM
I have a pilot certificate that doesn't put any limitations that I cannot fly the space shuttle. I guess I will head on down to Kennedy and make Atlantis' last flight a real crowd pleaser.


 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 23, 2011, 09:00:53 AM
It sounds like you want to do something like a barefoot charter. You simply go to the charter company and 'checkout' with the Fleet Captain. Prior to taking your group out by yourself, the FC will get you orientated with the boat then you will demonstrate to him that you can handle the boat out of the slip and out on the open water. He will take note of your navigational knowledge and overall seamanship/competence and make the call as to whether or not the company lets you helm the boat.  It is usually pretty informal depending on the size of the boat.

That sounds great, thanks.  I'll make sure to save this information for future reference.  And no, Mrs. Puff was not my boating school instructor, and I have no intentions of being the skipper of a supertanker, ever.  The reference was meant to be something I was bewildered by, and I should have included this icon: :eek: after it to indicate that, my bad.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Shuffler on May 23, 2011, 10:09:56 AM
Hmm, I suppose.  I'll do it for sure, just to have another piece of cool looking paper to show the harbor master.  It's just that I can go for helmsman over there in about 4-5 years.  That'll let me do even more, and then the rank of sea captain and icebreaker captain.

As for the question of the tanker, yes, I can.  It says any boat with or without mechanical propulsion inland.  That includes supertankers.

-Penguin



You can't run a tanker of any kind in the Houston Ship Channel. Your mistaken. The Captain of any ship coming to the channel is not allowed to maneuver his vessel into the channel. They lay at anchor just outside the channel in the Gulf. A crew boat brings the experienced nav to the vessel then it can come into port. That is for any ship destined for these ports.

Here Super Tankers are stationed offshore and lightered.


It's not like you'll be doing that any time soon though. :D
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: dedalos on May 23, 2011, 02:04:29 PM
Hey guys, I've come here to settle an argument with some of my friends.  I attended a three week boating school last summer, and my liscence says that I can be the skipper of any boat, from sunfish to supertanker while inland.  It also limits me to a 7m boat out to 2 nautical miles out to sea.  Both of these require adult supervision.

Here is my question; if my mom/dad/adult and I went to the harbor and rented a boat for the family to have a party on, would I be allowed to be its skipper?

Specific details (Important to the discussion, but boring to read)
I am a minor
I am a citizen of the United States
I attended this school in Poland
My rank is zeglarz jachtowy, or in English, yacht sailor/yachtsman

-Penguin

 :lol  Tell you what.  Try getting pulled over and give the cop a European drivers license.  You will get an idea of what will happen to you if you present papers from Poland to a guy in a uniform and how valid your valid papers are :rofl

I watched my Italian friend give a Chicago cop his Italian drivers license when we got pulled over and then try to explain the know everything that it was valid  :rofl :rofl :rofl  I wish phones had video cameras back then.  Americas funniest videos would have paid good money for it  :lol  Apparently, no one told them that tourists from other countries don;t carry American drivers licenses.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 23, 2011, 06:22:15 PM
I feel hot, the flames are toasting me like bread.  I messed up; I deserve it.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Muzzy on May 23, 2011, 06:30:27 PM
Just remember what I said about going feet dry. :)
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 23, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
You mean beaching the boat?  It depends on what kind, if it has a moveable keel, then it should be fine.  Otherwise, you're right.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: phatzo on May 23, 2011, 07:52:01 PM
A boating story for everyone
Quote
The Florida Marine Patrol bagged me the other night.  It was like a simple traffic stop, only on the water.

About 9:30 p.m. I was making my nightly six-minute dinghy trek across the harbor back to my boat.  I had dutifully stuck my little red/green split flashlight up on the front of my rubber inflatable.  However, to the Marine Patrol approaching from the rear it appeared I was running without any lights at all.  Technically, in addition to the red/green light shining forward, I should have had a white light visible from the rear; either that or a single 3600 light on the boat's highest point. I knew of this regulation, but didn't believe anyone would be that nit-picky.  Acknowledging my forward lights showed at least an attempt to comply, they sent me on my way with a warning.

The following night I repeated my daily trek armed with a bright white suction mount 3600 flashlight.  This new light is so bright it ruins my night vision.  Holding it high above my head I ventured legally across the harbor.  After only two minutes my arm was getting a bit tired and I figured there's got to be a better way, for I'm not about ready to do this every night.  I tried sticking it to the dinghy, but being lower than the motor and my torso, the required 3600 coverage was blocked from several angles.  It was then a brilliant idea - an idea 100 times more brilliant than my new light - struck.

There is, I said to myself, an advantage to being bald.  It was dark enough, and I'm far enough from land that no one could see how stupid I looked as I wet the inside of the light's suction cup and squished it down upon my skinhead.  It was perfect.  I now had both hands free, the light was well above everything on the boat, and my night vision was unaffected, as I couldn't even tell the light was on.

Recalling the nightly parade of tired arms holding lights aloft as dinghies dash across the harbor, I wondered why no one else had thought of this grand idea.  Granted, it probably does look rather stupid, and other boaters might tend to steer away, but it worked exceptionally well.  That is until I spied a much faster boat departing the dock behind me.

I tried speeding up, but quickly realized this boat was easily going to overtake mine.  Reaching to my head, I grabbed a hold of the flashlight in hopes of removing it until the other boat passed.  I tugged, but the light didn't budge.  I tried prying it off at an angle; it didn't budge.  I tried raising one edge of the rubber lip; it didn't budge.  I tried sliding the entire suction cup across my scalp and down over the edge of my head; it didn't budge.  With the other boat quickly approaching my embarrassment zone, I altered course.

As the faster boat zipped by in the distance, I steered back toward my floating home.  Nearing the stern of my boat the whole back end suddenly illuminated.  I spun around expecting to see the bright lights of a Marine Patrol boat with three officers grabbing the rails in desperation of falling overboard from uncontrollable fits of laughter.  Yet when I looked back no one was there.  Spinning back around, the stern of my boat was still lit up brighter than I'd ever seen it at night.  Again I looked behind me; again no one there.  I suddenly realized I not only looked stupid but acted the part as well, for the bright light was coming from atop my head where absent any nearby objects I couldn't even tell it was on.

Still I couldn't break the light's suction firmly grasping my scalp.  Fishing a dime from my pocket - a brief period of intellect suggesting the pocket knife my fingers first found would be a poor choice - I gently pried up an edge to the rubber cup.  Near midnight, in a calm harbor, the loud Champagne-bottle-like pop probably aroused several slumbering alcoholic sailors.

The top of my head felt like a can of ravioli, for the suction cup had drawn up my scalp in circular ridges that held their shape.  Undaunted and in the certain knowledge that these skin ripples would dissipate within an hour or so, I headed to the shower.  The raised circles atop my head were already beginning to soften when I bent over to soap up my legs.  On the way down I caught a glimpse of something strange in the mirror. Directly in the middle of my head was the world's largest, world's most perfect, most crimson hickey.

Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: phatzo on May 23, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
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Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: icepac on May 23, 2011, 11:27:58 PM
LOL.....that had to be Dinner Key marina in coconut grove.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Masherbrum on May 24, 2011, 06:39:08 AM
Hey guys, I've come here to settle an argument with some of my friends.  I attended a three week boating school last summer, and my liscence says that I can be the skipper of any boat, from sunfish to supertanker while inland.  It also limits me to a 7m boat out to 2 nautical miles out to sea.  Both of these require adult supervision.

Here is my question; if my mom/dad/adult and I went to the harbor and rented a boat for the family to have a party on, would I be allowed to be its skipper?

Specific details (Important to the discussion, but boring to read)
I am a minor
I am a citizen of the United States
I attended this school in Poland
My rank is zeglarz jachtowy, or in English, yacht sailor/yachtsman

-Penguin

I found the perfect boat for you to skipper:



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Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: VonMessa on May 24, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
How is that crazy?  That's a boat that we used in boating school, and it was the midsized one.  The biggest one had a concrete hull with three sails and two masts.

-Penguin

Technically, it was a schooner, then :)
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 24, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
A schooner?  I thought that it was a sloop if it had one mast and two sails.  I don't know the names in English, but I know them in Polish.

Ket- 1 mast 1 sail
Slup- 1 mast two sails
Sluter- 1 mast three sails
Kecz- 2 masts three sails, steering behind rearmost sail
Jol- 2 masts three sails, steering before rearmost sail but behind second to rearmost sail

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: VonMessa on May 24, 2011, 12:43:45 PM
A schooner?  I thought that it was a sloop if it had one mast and two sails.  I don't know the names in English, but I know them in Polish.

Ket- 1 mast 1 sail
Slup- 1 mast two sails
Sluter- 1 mast three sails
Kecz- 2 masts three sails, steering behind rearmost sail
Jol- 2 masts three sails, steering before rearmost sail but behind second to rearmost sail

-Penguin

Sloops have one mast.

I could have been a ketch.  Ketches are similar to a sloop, but there is a second shorter mast to the stern of the mainmast, but forward of the rudder post. The second mast is called the mizzen mast and the sail is called the mizzen sail. A ketch can also be cutter-rigged with two headsails.

A schooner can have two or more masts, but the second mast is at least as tall as the first, distinguishing this design from a ketch or a yawl, where the second mast is shorter than the first.

My wife and I went out for a few days on a beautiful schooner on our honeymoon while we were in Petit St. Vincent.  It used to be a pineapple shipping boat and was refurbished by a proper British Captain that made his way to the Caribbean and never quite made it back home.  :D 

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0575-1.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0416-1.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0398.jpg)
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 24, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
Sloops have one mast.

I could have been a ketch.  Ketches are similar to a sloop, but there is a second shorter mast to the stern of the mainmast, but forward of the rudder post. The second mast is called the mizzen mast and the sail is called the mizzen sail. A ketch can also be cutter-rigged with two headsails.

A schooner can have two or more masts, but the second mast is at least as tall as the first, distinguishing this design from a ketch or a yawl, where the second mast is shorter than the first.

My wife and I went out for a few days on a beautiful schooner on our honeymoon while we were in Petit St. Vincent.  It used to be a pineapple shipping boat and was refurbished by a proper British Captain that made his way to the Caribbean and never quite made it back home.  :D 

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0575-1.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0416-1.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Honeymoon/100_0398.jpg)

Are you clarifying what I said, restating it, or correcting me on something I missed?  Boating school was last year, so I might be a bit rusty.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: VonMessa on May 24, 2011, 01:04:32 PM
Are you clarifying what I said, restating it, or correcting me on something I missed?  Boating school was last year, so I might be a bit rusty.

-Penguin

You stated that you only knew the names in Polish.

A schooner?  I thought that it was a sloop if it had one mast and two sails.  I don't know the names in English, but I know them in Polish.

Ket- 1 mast 1 sail
Slup- 1 mast two sails
Sluter- 1 mast three sails
Kecz- 2 masts three sails, steering behind rearmost sail
Jol- 2 masts three sails, steering before rearmost sail but behind second to rearmost sail

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: StokesAk on May 24, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
ask spongebob.oh wait,thats a bad idea
:lol
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 24, 2011, 05:00:29 PM
You stated that you only knew the names in Polish.


Ah, thank you.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Seadog36 on May 24, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
A schooner?  I thought that it was a sloop if it had one mast and two sails.  I don't know the names in English, but I know them in Polish.

Ket- 1 mast 1 sail
Slup- 1 mast two sails
Sluter- 1 mast three sails
Kecz- 2 masts three sails, steering behind rearmost sail
Jol- 2 masts three sails, steering before rearmost sail but behind second to rearmost sail

-Penguin

I am a professional merchant mariner of 20 years holding a 200 ton Near Coastal licence with sailing endorsement and Able Bodied seaman. Penguin, you don't need a licence to operate a vessel if it is not for commercial purposes, that is, you won't be getting paid to run it. Judging by your lack of knowledge demonstrated by your super tanker statement, you should not endanger yourself, your family or the public by renting a vessel and not being completely comfortable with it, the navigational regulations and the waters you plan to operate in. People get killed routinely on the water and an entry level boating class does not mean you should tackle something you don't have a lot of recent experience with. Hire a licensed captain for any real cruising~ inland waters can be just as treacherous. 

A sloop and cutter are both single masted, a sloops' mast is in the first 1/3rd of the hull and a cutter's is located bet 1/3 and 1/2 way aft both have a mainsail and one or more foresails.

Ketches and Yawls are two masted with the larger mainmast forward. In a yawl the mizzen or after mast is stepped aft of the helm and a ketch forward.

Schooners can have up to five masts (usually two) the taller mainmast is stepped aft of the shorter mizzen forward.

~Seadog36
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 24, 2011, 09:13:06 PM
I am a professional merchant mariner of 20 years holding a 200 ton Near Coastal licence with sailing endorsement and Able Bodied seaman. Penguin, you don't need a licence to operate a vessel if it is not for commercial purposes, that is, you won't be getting paid to run it. Judging by your lack of knowledge demonstrated by your super tanker statement, you should not endanger yourself, your family or the public by renting a vessel and not being completely comfortable with it, the navigational regulations and the waters you plan to operate in. People get killed routinely on the water and an entry level boating class does not mean you should tackle something you don't have a lot of recent experience with. Hire a licensed captain for any real cruising~ inland waters can be just as treacherous. 

A sloop and cutter are both single masted, a sloops' mast is in the first 1/3rd of the hull and a cutter's is located bet 1/3 and 1/2 way aft both have a mainsail and one or more foresails.

Ketches and Yawls are two masted with the larger mainmast forward. In a yawl the mizzen or after mast is stepped aft of the helm and a ketch forward.

Schooners can have up to five masts (usually two) the taller mainmast is stepped aft of the shorter mizzen forward.

~Seadog36

I was pointing out something that I found odd, I didn't mean to claim to be qualified.  I messed that up.  I have no clue what I would do if I had to be the skipper of one.

Yes, I know very well the dangers of inland waters (running aground on a small river can be easy if you don't pay attention).  I understand that I need to be comfortable with the local regulations and conditions; not every place has a constant gentle breeze with few to no storms.  I have no intention of renting anything without checking those out first.
So I don't need a liscence to rent a boat (with adult supervision, of course)?  Awesome! :x

Thanks for your words of wisdom, sir.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Muzzy on May 27, 2011, 12:38:15 AM
If you had gotten a Pirate's License, that would have been cooler...

Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: VonMessa on May 27, 2011, 05:46:18 AM
inland waters can be just as treacherous. 



.

~Seadog36

He he  :lol

We had property on the Delaware river halfway between Easton and Philly, PA when I was a kid.  There was an island about a half mile up river and one a half mile down river.

Our neighbor's name was Fred.  He had a rock in front of his place about 8' in diameter and perpetually 6" under the surface (always just enough to hide it without causing surface disturbance)  We called it Fred's rock.  I've seen more than one guy with brand a brand new boat come ripping along and tear their outboard and transom clean off.    :O
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Curval on May 27, 2011, 12:51:36 PM
http://bermudasun.bm/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=270&ArticleID=52295&TM=49775.61

This happened Tuesday night.  The guy involved broke his nose, crushed his sinuses, badly damaged one of his eyes and broke some ribs.  He's had one operation so far with a bunch more to come.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 27, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
My cousin is an insurance man.  This father asks him to get insurance on a $80,000 dollar boat he bought for his 20 year old son.  Cousin tells them that he will have to go to a boating school and the closes school is in St Louis.  Father decides not to send him and takes the boat to the lake.  Last Sunday, a tornado comes through and sinks it to the bottom   :O.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Muzzy on May 27, 2011, 08:41:50 PM
At least he didn't drive it under a shore battery.  :D
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Becinhu on May 27, 2011, 09:03:57 PM
Sluter- 1 mast three sails

-Penguin
Dude, if she has 1 mast and three sails you have a couple of major issues.  Number one....shes a tranny.  Number two..."it" had one added to its back for slow dancing. :bolt:
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: JOACH1M on May 27, 2011, 09:06:40 PM
I don't trust sailboats...they seem to be very unstable


I'll stay anchored to the sandbar in my boat... :)
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: cattb on May 28, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
Penguin, you should learn the rules of the road for the river or 2 miles out from shore. I am not sure what you learned with your license.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 09:15:49 AM
What did I learn?


I had the second highest score on the written test in a class of 12.  It was a three week sleepaway school with six hours of sailing daily and one hour of lecture every other day.  Quizzes were every three days, and I had to translate my notes from spoken Polish to written English so that I could learn.  It wasn't easy, but I learned a great deal.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Tupac on May 28, 2011, 09:24:13 AM
I don't trust sailboats...they seem to be very unstable


I'll stay anchored to the sandbar in my boat... :)

Motors are nice, but nothing beats the peacefulness of a sailboat. I was sailing in rock port bay once and had porpoises come along side the boat, it was really cool
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 09:30:51 AM
Yes, there's no better feeling than sitting on the bow of a sailboat in a bay while sailing with the wind.  The rocking of the boat, the wind in your hair, the gentle wavering of the sails- it's amazing.  It's so peaceful and beautiful to be on a sailboat.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 28, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
What did I learn?

  • Rules of the Road
  • Meteorology
  • Search and Rescue
  • Maintnance
  • Ship vocabulary
  • Tacking/Jibing
  • Standing under the wind
  • Escape from a sandbar
  • Rules while in port
  • Rules while underway

I had the second highest score on the written test in a class of 12.  It was a three week sleepaway school with six hours of sailing daily and one hour of lecture every other day.  Quizzes were every three days, and I had to translate my notes from spoken Polish to written English so that I could learn.  It wasn't easy, but I learned a great deal.

-Penguin

Sounds like you a very good knowledge of what to do.

That tack and jib thing is very important in sail boats, also, boats don't track like cars, they pivot.  So when you're turning at very slow speeds, the stern swings around.  Use your nose when refueling and watch for other boaters.  Some of them don't pay very good attention to what they are doing.  Oh, stay off the water at night, too many idiots out at night.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 09:44:31 AM
Erm, refueling?  I've never used anything more powerful than an outboard motor.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 28, 2011, 09:50:17 AM
boats burn quick.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 09:52:36 AM
Not when they're made of concrete! (One of our boats was). :P :lol

However, I still don't see what you're talking about.  Is it that using the nose to refuel gives you time to get away if the sand hits the fan?

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Rash on May 28, 2011, 10:23:24 AM
Just be careful with fuel.  When refueling, the vapors can travel all through the boat, if something is not working right.  Mud dobber or spider nest clogging a fuel vent, or whatever.  I had it happen and that "whoosh" sound isn't a nice one to hear.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 01:52:44 PM
Yeowch!  Did you try to put it out, or did you jump overboard?

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Golfer on May 28, 2011, 02:03:40 PM
Yeowch!  Did you try to put it out, or did you jump overboard?

-Penguin

What did they teach you to do in your boating school?  Surely you wouldn't have used a fire extinguisher and would have waited for the fire department to arrive, right?
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 02:50:56 PM
We got no fire eductation, owing to the fact that we were instructed to never carry anything flammable aboard.  I don't know what I would do.  I'd probably scream, wet myself and jump overboard. 

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Golfer on May 28, 2011, 02:54:12 PM
We got no fire eductation, owing to the fact that we were instructed to never carry anything flammable aboard.  I don't know what I would do.  I'd probably scream, wet myself and jump overboard. 

-Penguin

You'll make a hell of a captain.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 03:00:16 PM
I still haven't completed my education.  The summer before I leave for college (one needs to be of eighteen years of age to take the class), I'll be off for my second time at boating school to earn my helmsman's liscense.  I'll probably learn about fire safety then.

However, if I keep my grades up, during this summer I'll be off to California on a two week cruise to learn more about sailing, SCUBA, and marine biology.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 28, 2011, 03:06:10 PM
I still haven't completed my education.  The summer before I leave for college (one needs to be of eighteen years of age to take the class), I'll be off for my second time at boating school to earn my helmsman's liscense.  I'll probably learn about fire safety then.

However, if I keep my grades up, during this summer I'll be off to California on a two week cruise to learn more about sailing, SCUBA, and marine biology.

-Penguin
I've been around fire alot, do you know about all the classes of fire extinguishers? and what each one does? I can recite fire safety like my abc's. I hate the fact I mess around with it so much cause sooner or later luck runs out. but I'd keep a Class ABC Fire extinguisher on the boat at all times.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 03:18:27 PM
A class D?  That's for fine metal powder fires.  I'd probably need a class A fire extinguisher, and maybe a class B and C if I added electronics and an outboard motor, respectively.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 28, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
A class D?  That's for fine metal powder fires.  I'd probably need a class A fire extinguisher, and maybe a class B and C if I added electronics and an outboard motor, respectively.

-Penguin
My bad I fixed that, I figured an AB cause A is for burning wood and such which clearly some boats are made of, and B for the fact that gasoline is up and open. But you would overall want a ABC fire Extinguisher.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 03:30:12 PM
An ABC is a good choice for home and boat.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: 68ZooM on May 28, 2011, 04:17:21 PM
On my Mastercraft i have a Stinger automatic onboard fire suppersion system, electric or manual operation the spray head valves sit right over the carb, i also carry a handheld 5lb Marine rated ABC Extinguisher in case i see someone in trouble.
Title: Re: Boating School
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 06:12:05 PM
Wow!  That's a lot of safety gear.

-Penguin