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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Condor11 on June 02, 2011, 10:13:16 PM
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I've finnally found a bird to suit my tastes, the beautiful and deadly 190.a5. I've been using it regularly for the last few months, and have landed multiple ace sorties, and flown it to great success in some rough situations ( numbers, alt, e , etc disadvantages.
Being that I finnaly found my bird, and know there are far better sticks out there for it, I wanted to get some tricks and tips for it. Anything u can offer is greatly appreciated, and I appreciate the help in my attempts to master this beast.
im particularly interested in weapn pack, alt, maneuvers (more vertical, stall fighting, tail slide (cant seem to get it im her), and general tips for bringimg out her full potential.
Ty and happy hunting
Condo
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I have a film 4v1 in my 190a5 and u were there! In your typh! I'll post film when on computer!
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HAhaha, if I was in a typhie I must of been pissed lol...its my pickin plane lol....
The 190 is my solo/ scrapper. :)
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See if 'IrishOne' from the Muppets has some time...he's very accomplished in that model 190.
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HAhaha, if I was in a typhie I must of been pissed lol...its my pickin plane lol....
The 190 is my solo/ scrapper. :)
Lol....
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The 190 is my solo/ scrapper. :)
Condor,
for me the 190s are really hard to fly in solo. Their real poor turn rate and even worse stall speed makes it very difficult to win a stallfight even against a pony or a jug. The only thong you can do is BnZ or energy-fight so there isnt as much difference between the 190 series and the typthoon...
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Condor,
for me the 190s are really hard to fly in solo. Their real poor turn rate and even worse stall speed makes it very difficult to win a stallfight even against a pony or a jug. The only thong you can do is BnZ or energy-fight so there isnt as much difference between the 190 series and the typthoon...
I'm sorry i have to disagree, once film posted I'll show you
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Condor,
for me the 190s are really hard to fly in solo. Their real poor turn rate and even worse stall speed makes it very difficult to win a stallfight even against a pony or a jug. The only thong you can do is BnZ or energy-fight so there isnt as much difference between the 190 series and the typthoon...
In a way your right. Such as the solo thing, IMO you need a wingman in the 190. But if you fly it agressive you can handle certain 1v1s.
But this is just my opion.
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WEll part of the reason I like the a5 is that it can actually turn .not like a spit but reasonably well....its totally different plane imo then the later models.
its not a pure speed demon and I can energy fight real well with it. The typhie is what I bring when im pissed n want pure bnz pickage
Edited for spelling
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Joachim: ok you killed a newb or a poor pilot, but with equal pilots, your 190 will never turn with anything better than a D-stang. Maybe if there are a larger difference between the opponents skill, the A-5 may hold its own against a Jak, C205 or a K-4, but those stupid auto-retracting flaps pretty much limit the overshooting/stallfighting ability.
Ace: i agree, having a wingman can be real nice, the 190s are designed to be effective in a group vs group fight.
Condor: dont feed false illusions, the a5s turn rate wont save the world, but it can keep up with anything for 1-2 turns, force a snapshot then disengage, reset the fight and repeat it again : )
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Your Very right sir, and I dont have false illusions, but its turn rate works exactly as you started. The reason I have success with it is because during the first or second turn I make with it, given the snapshot thew heavy gun package makes quick work of most planes. I dont use it as a furballer, but rather a hunter role. ive.found it allows me to more easily engage an enemy and dictate the fight, probably in large part due to people lacking in knowledge about the a5...its ability to offer something against almost every plane , that makes it less of a one trick pony. Firepower, speed, roll rate, and average turn.
These opinions come from only a fw months of flight in it, but in that time my k\d ratio dramatically increased and I found I seemed to fly its characteristics extremely well, rivaling my decent abilities in a ki87
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See, the 190s roll rate is about the best in the game, no question...
Unfortunately, the *best* use for roll rate is in a nose-to-nose fight. And the other vital qualitys to have in a nose-to-nose fight, such as a flat scissors, is small turn radius, the ability to decelerate, and good handling slow. Qualities where the 190 is about the worst in-game.
Any number of pilots in AHII are dangerous on the defensive in Jugs and lethal in Corsairs because of the way those planes combine roll rate, slow speed handling, and a good punch. Alas, the 190s just don't have it in them.
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190's are meat on the table...or running away to friends or ACK....used how they were intended they excel greatly, but to try to fight someone who knows how to fight, its a losing battle.
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190's are meat on the table...or running away to friends or ACK....used how they were intended they excel greatly, but to try to fight someone who knows how to fight, its a losing battle.
Dunno, I've seen Kappa do some wicked stuff in an A-5.
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Joachim: ok you killed a newb or a poor pilot, but with equal pilots, your 190 will never turn with anything better than a D-stang. Maybe if there are a larger difference between the opponents skill, the A-5 may hold its own against a Jak, C205 or a K-4, but those stupid auto-retracting flaps pretty much limit the overshooting/stallfighting ability.
Ace: i agree, having a wingman can be real nice, the 190s are designed to be effective in a group vs group fight.
Condor: dont feed false illusions, the a5s turn rate wont save the world, but it can keep up with anything for 1-2 turns, force a snapshot then disengage, reset the fight and repeat it again : )
Ill take this as compliment, it was grizz in a p38j and he had alt. On me :devil
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Ill take this as compliment, it was grizz in a p38j and he had alt. On me :devil
You cunningly lured him into a false sense of security by flying a 190.
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Look for IrishOne, he's got a lot of experience fighting in the As I believe.
See, the 190s roll rate is about the best in the game, no question...
Unfortunately, the *best* use for roll rate is in a nose-to-nose fight. And the other vital qualitys to have in a nose-to-nose fight, such as a flat scissors, is small turn radius, the ability to decelerate, and good handling slow. Qualities where the 190 is about the worst in-game.
Any number of pilots in AHII are dangerous on the defensive in Jugs and lethal in Corsairs because of the way those planes combine roll rate, slow speed handling, and a good punch. Alas, the 190s just don't have it in them.
Yeah, but the OP specificaly is talking about the 190A-5. Of which all qualities you just dismised it as a competitor for it is actualy very capable of.
190's are meat on the table...or running away to friends or ACK....used how they were intended they excel greatly, but to try to fight someone who knows how to fight, its a losing battle.
190D-9 > Ki-84
:huh
:ahand
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You cunningly lured him into a false sense of security by flying a 190.
I just don't think he's been flying around anymore, otherwise he's been avoiding any airspace with knit 190s around recently.
If you're clueless about the 190 series, best to remain silent in a thread asking for solid information about them rather than open your mouth, creating confusion and false pretenses for the person smart enough to know when to ask for more information about something they know little about or have minimal experience with.
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Look for IrishOne, he's got a lot of experience fighting in the As I believe.
Yeah, but the OP specificaly is talking about the 190A-5. Of which all qualities you just dismised it as a competitor for it is actualy very capable of.
The 190 A5 has the largest no-flaps turn radius of any fighter in the game, excluding other 190s. Its full flap radius is actually slightly smaller than a P-51Ds. However, there is the slight problem with getting them out...
Capt. Eric Brown gives a clean stall speed for the 190 he tested of around 127mph IAS. If the 190s in AHII are modeled anywhere close to this, this is bad news for the 190's slow speed handling. Compare to the usually quoted stall speed for a P-51 @9611 pounds of 100mph IAS...and the P-51 isn't exactly known as a slow speed turner either.
If you're clueless about the 190 series, best to remain silent in a thread asking for solid information about them rather than open your mouth, creating confusion and false pretenses for the person smart enough to know when to ask for more information about something they know little about or have minimal experience with.
190s, including the A5 for long stretches, were my primary MA ride for almost two years. I would be far more suspicious of anyone who claims to know 190s but is apparently unaware the fact that the 190s have just about the largest turn radius and highest stall speed of any aircraft in game.
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See if 'IrishOne' from the Muppets has some time...he's very accomplished in that model 190.
my thoughts exactly
and look up COUNT from JG11.
i would mention myself, but im a nobody.
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I've spent a lot of time in the Dora. Against a noob or a mediorce pilot in anything but pure turners (Spit, Zero, etc) the Dora can handle itself pretty well, even in a stall turn. Against a good pilot the strategy is to disengage, gain speed and try for slash attacks. I've not spent much time in the A5 but note that it turns much better then a Dora. In the hands of a skilled, patient pilot I'm guessing it can ruin many opinions.
Boo
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190's are meat on the table...or running away to friends or ACK....used how they were intended they excel greatly, but to try to fight someone who knows how to fight, its a losing battle.
This is exactly my experience.
There are very very few pilots in AH who can make a 190 do anything other then 1 pass extend out 4 to 6k (or more). The only reason 190s get so much use is because they are faster then a large portion of the plane set. They are flown by people who want to have the option to run away when things go wrong, Same as P51Ds. It is sad and shameful that those airframes are so popular.
In my opinion.
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double post... oops
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I would be far more suspicious of anyone who claims to know 190s but is apparently unaware the fact that the 190s have just about the largest turn radius and highest stall speed of any aircraft in game.
A good point (except you mean of fighters, not of any aircraft) (I hope).
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I've spent a lot of time in the Dora. Against a noob or a mediorce pilot in anything but pure turners (Spit, Zero, etc) the Dora can handle itself pretty well, even in a stall turn. Against a good pilot the strategy is to disengage, gain speed and try for slash attacks. I've not spent much time in the A5 but note that it turns much better then a Dora. In the hands of a skilled, patient pilot I'm guessing it can ruin many opinions.
In a stallfight, sustained turn the A-5 isnt much better than the dora. But in an instanteous turn, it is, handles really nice over 220mph. Also climbs almost as good, but much slower.
Joachim, post that film plz ;)
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In a stallfight, sustained turn the A-5 isnt much better than the dora. But in an instanteous turn, it is, handles really nice over 220mph. Also climbs almost as good, but much slower.
Joachim, post that film plz ;)
(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/c9b22624.jpg)
I don't save easy kill films :P
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(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/c9b22624.jpg)
I don't save easy kill films :P
Were they afk?
Without the film, or something similar, it's impossible to meaningfully rate a fight, kill, pilot, or plane-type based simply on who or what it's killed. For all we know, you "picked" those kills while they were fighting in a 20 vs. 1, vulched them, or pinged them enough to get the kill when someone else finished them off...
Especially if you would consider them "easy kill films". Just sayin'...
I'm not saying you didn't master them in even fights, either. Just that the picture you posted means very little, if that much... Why only 5 kills?
I've been killed by some very low-skilled, inexperienced players. Heck, I've even been killed by shrubbery! Does that mean my ride-of-choice isn't very good?
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I don't save easy kill films
uhoh :uhoh
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Were they afk?
Without the film, or something similar, it's impossible to meaningfully rate a fight, kill, pilot, or plane-type based simply on who or what it's killed. For all we know, you "picked" those kills while they were fighting in a 20 vs. 1, vulched them, or pinged them enough to get the kill when someone else finished them off...
Especially if you would consider them "easy kill films". Just sayin'...
I'm not saying you didn't master them in even fights, either. Just that the picture you posted means very little, if that much... Why only 5 kills?
I've been killed by some very low-skilled, inexperienced players. Heck, I've even been killed by shrubbery! Does that mean my ride-of-choice isn't very good?
considering how he flies I would say all 5 were picks/vulches/hoard kills :aok
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Grizz can say it happened...
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I picked Silat a few months back. Admitted it was at 15k and I'm guessing he was getting a bag of chips but hey, who cares...chalk one up baby!!
Boo
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Unfortunately, the *best* use for roll rate is in a nose-to-nose fight.
Who told you that? I fly the A-8 regularily, full fuel, 30mm package and closing on a con from behind usually means no escape for him. I can use my roll rate to out-break him almost every time. The roll rate can also lead to exceptional vertical reverses. None of this has anything to do with nose to nose fighting.
The big tip in any 190 is don't turn more than about 540 degrees with anything before extending to re-set unless you're absolutely sure those extra degrees of turn will give you the kill. Also try to fight downhill and don't be afraid to use WEP. The faster you can keep the fight the better off you'll be as the 190's have among the best high speed handling in the game.
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Who told you that? I fly the A-8 regularily, full fuel, 30mm package and closing on a con from behind usually means no escape for him. I can use my roll rate to out-break him almost every time. The roll rate can also lead to exceptional vertical reverses. None of this has anything to do with nose to nose fighting.
The big tip in any 190 is don't turn more than about 540 degrees with anything before extending to re-set unless you're absolutely sure those extra degrees of turn will give you the kill. Also try to fight downhill and don't be afraid to use WEP. The faster you can keep the fight the better off you'll be as the 190's have among the best high speed handling in the game.
No one "told me that", it is apparent that the superior rolling plane has an enormous advantage in a scissors where turn performance between the two planes roughly equal. Good point though, perhaps the best thing about roll rate is the increased ability to track for shots on the offensive. By "vertical reverses" do you mean vector rolls and the like?
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No one "told me that", it is apparent that the superior rolling plane has an enormous advantage in a scissors where turn performance between the two planes roughly equal. Good point though, perhaps the best thing about roll rate is the increased ability to track for shots on the offensive. By "vertical reverses" do you mean vector rolls and the like?
You're right about the scissors, particularily flat scissors but I guess I didn't consider that a nose to nose fight. It might end up that way but that's usually not the way it starts. By nature it's a defensive tactic.
Guess I'm not really sure what a vector roll is. What I mean is pull into the vertical (any angle) then use your roll rate to rotate then pull back down. The vertical reorientation is very difficult for most other planes to track and gives you at least a momentary advantage. If you have enough E then using a pure climb with roation can drop you right back on your opponent's six with very little loss of E. A typical scenario might be I drop on an opponent's six, he tries to break, I roll to go for the lead shot and if I miss I immediately go vertical off angle to my opponent. Most likely my opponent has lost track of me momentarily. I rotate to the appropriate angle and drop right back onto him. If he's aware enough to have tried to track me I can reorient again and leave him flying away as I extend to reset.
Anyway the point is everyone says the FW doesnt turn well. I agree. It doesn't. However it can reorient and get into it's turn faster than almost anything else and it's able to do that at speeds that hinder most other planes.
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Ill take this as compliment, it was grizz in a p38j and he had alt. On me :devil
Heh, I wouldn't hang your hat on that, considering I am probably one of the worst p38 pilots in the game plus I am flying about as bad as I ever have the past few months. Apparently only flying 10 hours a month tolls heavily on my jedi abilities. :uhoh
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You're right about the scissors, particularily flat scissors but I guess I didn't consider that a nose to nose fight. It might end up that way but that's usually not the way it starts. By nature it's a defensive tactic.
"Nose-to-Nose turning"=you are turning right, he is turning left. Or vis versa. Or you are pulling up while he is rolling and pulling down for that matter. Tends to favor turn radius and ability to fly at minimum speed.
"Nose-to-Tail turning"=Both player turning right, or left, or looping, etc. What most people think of as a turning contest. Tends to favor turn RATE.
Defensive tactics are important in the MA :-)
Yep, that's a vector roll.
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fighting effectively in the A5 requires a good judge of E, good throttle management, and lots of flying while looking backwards :joystick:
it won't outturn much, but it'll outroll anything in the sky, which is a much bigger factor than most seem to realize. and the guns are good. and it's sooper sexy :banana:
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Heh, I wouldn't hang your hat on that, considering I am probably one of the worst p38 pilots in the game plus I am flying about as bad as I ever have the past few months. Apparently only flying 10 hours a month tolls heavily on my jedi abilities. :uhoh
I can't deny that, lots of vets are playing less and less...
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fighting effectively in the A5 requires a good judge of E, good throttle management, and lots of flying while looking backwards :joystick:
it won't outturn much, but it'll outroll anything in the sky, which is a much bigger factor than most seem to realize. and the guns are good. and it's sooper sexy :banana:
very very sexy :D
Irish would say using a fair amount rudder as well as throttle managment is key?
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*would u say to use alot of rudder as well as throttle managment is key. i cant type for crap :frown:
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very very sexy :D
Irish would say using a fair amount rudder as well as throttle managment is key?
yes, i use it quite a bit, mostly at the top when trying to compensate torque roll. i also jam the rudder out when i trying to roll someone through a slow overshoot, it seems to almost act like a mini-brake, and with any luck ill get a windscreen full of badguy.
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me personally, i tend to fly the A5 like a 109 (all the 109 sticks will bash me for this)with use of alot of rudder, to force overshoot like you have stated, also flaps, yes only 3 notches, but u can use them effectively for turning and use the vert as much as i can. I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight. and like in other posts ive stated im by far no "uber" stick in the 109s or 190s even tho these aircraft are the ones i fly the most. feel free to check my stats in LWA under Scotty57.
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I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight.
i always fly with the 2 20mm package because i consider 2 FF's with 60 rounds apiece to be dead weight, but Kappa uses them, and uses them very very well, so i suppose that aspect would just have to come down to personal preference.
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:aok
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APpreciate all the help guys, keep the tips coming.
A lot of what im hearing validates how I fly it..
Me personally I take her up with the 4 20mm, I often get good safe and quick snapshots that obliterate my enemies, and since they are short the 4 really allow me to do the damage (plus im a bad shot so the extra 120 round help)
I use it in thew vertical a lot, and I think because of my other bird the k-4, I fly it a bit like scotty, forcing the slow overshot through scissors and massive rudder...
Irish, I've never had the pleasure of seeing u in a 190, but ifyou (or anyone) is willing to take some tine 1v1 just to evaluate and critique my skills that would b great.
Condo
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me personally, i tend to fly the A5 like a 109 (all the 109 sticks will bash me for this)with use of alot of rudder, to force overshoot like you have stated, also flaps, yes only 3 notches, but u can use them effectively for turning and use the vert as much as i can. I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight. and like in other posts ive stated im by far no "uber" stick in the 109s or 190s even tho these aircraft are the ones i fly the most. feel free to check my stats in LWA under Scotty57.
one of my favorite fights was me n u 1v1. Me in k4 n u 190 (i think it was a8). I had just killed 2 ju88 n f4u, and was rtb with no cannon. I look up n there u r 2k above me
I figured I couldnt out run u so I just nosed up and mer u in your dive. That was agood five minute scissor, and awesome low alt fighting.... (was so pissed I was pinging the yelol outta u with only my mg , but with no cannon I only managed to smoke your eng)...i finnaly lost that second set of scissoring and discovered you were not out of cannon...lol
Always ment to tel u it was an awesome fight and id gladly repeat it (given u allow me to have some taters this time ;) )
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i was just veryvery lucky. if u see me on (usually late mornings early afternoons mountain time) shoot me a pm. :salute
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APpreciate all the help guys, keep the tips coming.
A lot of what im hearing validates how I fly it..
Me personally I take her up with the 4 20mm, I often get good safe and quick snapshots that obliterate my enemies, and since they are short the 4 really allow me to do the damage (plus im a bad shot so the extra 120 round help)
I use it in thew vertical a lot, and I think because of my other bird the k-4, I fly it a bit like scotty, forcing the slow overshot through scissors and massive rudder...
Irish, I've never had the pleasure of seeing u in a 190, but ifyou (or anyone) is willing to take some tine 1v1 just to evaluate and critique my skills that would b great.
Condor
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if u see me in game, dont be afraid to shoot me a PM. im always happy to go to the DA for a few :)
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GO VIKINGS! :D
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WIll do, scotty n irish....
Now back to the op...share those skills 190 gods :p
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190's are meat on the table...or running away to friends or ACK....used how they were intended they excel greatly, but to try to fight someone who knows how to fight, its a losing battle.
I beg to differ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mChvWeNgVZY
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I beg to differ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mChvWeNgVZY
INK just says that stuff because he knows it makes me die inside just a little every time :cry
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190s must b a decent plane if I was able to shoot some of the people down in the rides they had., went from an avg 1.0 k/d to a 2.5 in that bird....and I loooove that albino skin...id take her up against asnt prop bird in the game :airplane:
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I beg to differ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mChvWeNgVZY
what exactly is that video supposed to prove?
for one the video is hard to see with the double screen like that...second from what I can tell you stay fast....so this vid just reiterates what I said... :rolleyes:
Ill tell ya what... you take up any 190...I will take up my plane of choice....meet in the DA on the deck or at ALT...... see how many times you can kill me......and IF you can even put bullets on me it will only be because My targeting skills are about the worst in game......And I missed ya.......anytime, you let me know.
INK just says that stuff because he knows it makes me die inside just a little every time :cry
:rofl....you know I love ya bro....but I am a TnB dweeb, 190's just don't make the grade.
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but I am a TnB dweeb, 190's just don't make the grade.
not yet ink, but i'm working on it ;) the A5 will reign supreme :rock
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stupid slow internet
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again?
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:D
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Is there an echo in here? :D
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I think the 190Ds and 152s get a horrible run*cough*STANG*cough* rap because its one of a handful of planes that can outrun all the P-fighters... and boy did they come out of the woodwork in this thread.
Is it safe to break out the schnaps and doobies, and get down to buisness in this thread yet? :D
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I think the 190Ds and 152s get a horrible run*cough*STANG*cough* rap because its one of a handful of planes that can outrun all the P-fighters... and boy did they come out of the woodwork in this thread.
Is it safe to break out the schnaps and doobies, and get down to buisness in this thread yet? :D
Haha feel free good sir...ill b in the ma all day tinkering in the a5, maybe k4 and the occasional 262...anyone that kills me or even those who I nail, feel free to pm n offer advice or w.e....
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190 A5 is probably the best all around 190. I think you can do much more with it than say a D9 or even 152.
Most D9/152 kills come in the BnZ or picking.
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You realize an A5 is an EW bird, right? It will dominate the turny fighters, zeke's, hurc, F4s, Brewters and the spit V by sheer virtue of its climb and speed. Anything else is a hard nut to crack. A spit IX with rape an A5, don't even bother with an VIII. An F6 is near impossible, any 109 (with the exception of the E) will make short work of the Wulf, and anything else will out turn it and, at the very least, keep up with it. If you have alt to work with it can be a devastating BnZer and it's probably one of the best buff hunters. As far as dogfighting? Not so much. It has too many huge deficits to make up any ground with its strengths.
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You realize an A5 is an EW bird, right? It will dominate the turny fighters, zeke's, hurc, F4s, Brewters and the spit V by sheer virtue of its climb and speed. Anything else is a hard nut to crack. A spit IX with rape an A5, don't even bother with an VIII. An F6 is near impossible, any 109 (with the exception of the E) will make short work of the Wulf, and anything else will out turn it and, at the very least, keep up with it. If you have alt to work with it can be a devastating BnZer and it's probably one of the best buff hunters. As far as dogfighting? Not so much. It has too many huge deficits to make up any ground with its strengths.
I think you far underestimate the A5 . Don't confuse your failings in the plane with the planes capabilities. You can beat any of those "tough nuts to crack" easily if you know what you're doing.
And the a5 is a MW ride.
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I think you far underestimate the A5 . Don't confuse your failings in the plane with the planes capabilities.
I think Bubbajj was spot on.
You can beat any of those "tough nuts to crack" easily if you know what you're doing.
"Tough nuts to crack" can deal easily with A-5 if they know what they're doing.
And the a5 is a MW ride.
Available in EW as well.
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I think Bubbajj was spot on.
"Tough nuts to crack" can deal easily with A-5 if they know what they're doing.
Available in EW as well.
I don't think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion. A5s began to be delivered in early 1943 which to me is mid-war .
All around best 190, key words being all around.
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I don't think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion. A5s began to be delivered in early 1943 which to me is mid-war .
If I remember correctly, late 1942. If not, I can imagine reason it was added to EW and that being it was no better as a fighter than A-3 which is undeniably early war plane.
All around best 190, key words being all around.
I won't disagree, but how that makes bubbajj wrong?
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If I remember correctly, late 1942. If not, I can imagine reason it was added to EW and that being it was no better as a fighter than A-3 which is undeniably early war plane.
I won't disagree, but how that makes bubbajj wrong?
The F6 judgment I just don't see that one at all F6 is a joke unless greebo is flying it of course. all 109s except the E no way, K4/G14 would be tough but the others I don't think would be overly difficult and would either be dominated or a good fight. 190 A5 is just a more balanced fighter then the rest of the 190 set IMO.
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The F6 judgment I just don't see that one at all F6 is a joke unless greebo is flying it of course.
A-5 is a tad faster, climbs a bit better, acceleration is about the same, rolls significantly better, turns significantly worse. F6 handling at high and low speeds is much better. A-5 has a good chance but I would bet that (if all equal but planes) F6 will win more fights.
all 109s except the E no way, K4/G14 would be tough but the others I don't think would be overly difficult and would either be dominated or a good fight. 190 A5 is just a more balanced fighter then the rest of the 190 set IMO.
Starting with F4, all 109s will beat A-5. The only meaningful advantage A-5 has over F4, G2 and G6 is fire power. Top speed difference is not as big to be a factor, neither is the straight line climb. In a fight, F4, G2 and G6 will happily climb with A-5, will out-accelerate it and out-maneuver it. Roll advantage A-5 has will just prolong the suffering. Good fire power is the only saving grace, and even that can't make up for other deficiencies.
You can easily test that against equally skilled sticks. Or you can just look at the performance charts at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php to save some trouble.
No need to discuss A-5 vs G14 and K4.
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A-5 is a tad faster, climbs a bit better, acceleration is about the same, rolls significantly better, turns significantly worse. F6 handling at high and low speeds is much better. A-5 has a good chance but I would bet that (if all equal but planes) F6 will win more fights.
Starting with F4, all 109s will beat A-5. The only meaningful advantage A-5 has over F4, G2 and G6 is fire power. Top speed difference is not as big to be a factor, neither is the straight line climb. In a fight, F4, G2 and G6 will happily climb with A-5, will out-accelerate it and out-maneuver it. Roll advantage A-5 has will just prolong the suffering. Good fire power is the only saving grace, and even that can't make up for other deficiencies.
You can easily test that against equally skilled sticks. Or you can just look at the performance charts at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php to save some trouble.
No need to discuss A-5 vs G14 and K4.
Listen I have some of my highest kill sorties in an a5 in the lwa I have flown it before and its a sleeper. Roll advantage will and can win plenty of fights.
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One point that easily gets lost in the "this plane vs that plane" debate is the assumption that both pilots are equal. Obviously the 109 series, equal pilots will dominate the A5 in the majority of the fights. But since the MA does not have equal pilots and it is a different fight all together, being dominate in an A5 is very possible.
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being dominate in an A5 is very possible.
In MA, that's valid for almost any plane.
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In MA, that's valid for almost any plane.
Yep.
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In raw stats the 190a5 may not b a leader, but its agility, firepower and speed seem to make it write a tough bird. I flt it in the ma and side from its ability to destroy buffs, I find it more the a match for some of the ew rides....it has something to offer almost every opponent, with it the exception of a spit sixteen....a good stick in that offers little room to work with...
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There is no "agility". It won't turn with a C47 for heaven's sake. The only thing you have going for you is roll, which unless your dealing with a pilot with a BAC of .30 or better is only marginally useful. Anyone who knows anything about an FW will know this and be ready for it. I've used the A5 extensively in the MW and probably have more kills in it than anything else. Most against buffs. That said I love to fly the silly things. They are a true challenge in a game full of spit pilots. But the minute I meed anything but a turny bird CO-alt, I know I'm in for a pretty bad sorte. You can't turnfight with anything and your pretty much relegated to BnZ.
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I love to fly the silly things.
i feel ya man. it can be sooooooo frustrating, but as an airplane i just love it. will always be my favorite plane, no matter if it sucks or not. :airplane:
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i feel ya man. it can be sooooooo frustrating, but as an airplane i just love it. will always be my favorite plane, no matter if it sucks or not. :airplane:
Thats part of the reason I loooove it as well. I can't stand flying spits or ponies, and while I love the d9, it doesn't feel as well a fit as the a 9,.
I must apologize I used agility out of context, I hadn't meant it in a turnie way, rather in its roll and quickness to respond to control input. I qould argue however its roll is a bigger threat than mostrealize .while a pilot on to of their game isnt usually suckered in, I quite often drag someone into a scissors either forcing a slow over shoot or filling my gunsight with their canopy
but as many have started I know its not the best, but rather a plane I reallly enjoy, and thats y I fly it.
Keep em coming gent
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IMO the A5 is easily the most versatile 190 in the game presently, flown correctly it can compete with just about every other aircraft besides jets.
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IMO the A5 is easily the most versatile 190 in the game presently, flown correctly it can compete with just about every other aircraft besides jets.
Thank you someone agrees.
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The A5 has better handling IMHO against 109's. By that I mean it's more responsive to control which will give a savvy pilot a decent advantage, especially in creating overshoots. Add the sick roll rate and other characteristics and you have a solid bird. I prefer to use it when I don't have as much time to climb out as I would want with an A8 or D9. Just get off the deck, put a couple thousand feet between you and the deck and then use slashing tactics.
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I can't help but find amusement and great irony in the majority that discredits the A5's maneuverability also talks highly and proudly of its potent lethality against buffs. :rofl :lol :noid :bhead I love this thread.
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I can't help but find amusement and great irony in the majority that discredits the A5's maneuverability also talks highly and proudly of its potent lethality against buffs. :rofl :lol :noid :bhead I love this thread.
I...uh...I don't understand why that's inconsistent...?
- oldman
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I'm with you OM, I don't get it.
An FW will turn with a 109? An F or a G2 will eat a 190 A5's lunch. Like I said, I love to fly em and they have a few tricks, but they are severly handicapped.
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I...uh...I don't understand why that's inconsistent...?
- oldman
The A5 is undergunned compared to the A8 and D9, making it somewhat less effective at killing buffs.
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The A5 is undergunned compared to the A8 and D9, making it somewhat less effective at killing buffs.
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The a5 has a heavy gun pkg with 4 20mm, the d9 only 2....not sure the ballistics on the a5, I know the a5 has 2 less effective cannons than most but thet are certainly more firepower than the d9 with only 2. (the cowl guns on the d9 are better mgs but not quite on par with buff killing). The a8 thought undoubtly has the heaviest tho
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The A5 is undergunned compared to the A8 and D9, making it somewhat less effective at killing buffs.
The a5 has a heavy gun pkg with 4 20mm, the d9 only 2....not sure the ballistics on the a5, I know the a5 has 2 less effective cannons than most but thet are certainly more firepower than the d9 with only 2. (the cowl guns on the d9 are better mgs but not quite on par with buff killing). The a8 thought undoubtly has the heaviest tho
The MGFF's available on the A5 aren't very effective outside about 200 yards and there aren't many rounds. While I take them occasionally they are barely worth the weight penalty and I lke to do my buff killing from a somewhat safer distance.
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yeah, I was discounting the MG FF's. 60 rounds per gun and crappy ballistics, and you are stuck with the extra weight once the ammo is gone. So yeah, you have more lead to throw around, but not for long, and it will probably miss. :)
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yeah, I was discounting the MG FF's. 60 rounds per gun and crappy ballistics, and you are stuck with the extra weight once the ammo is gone. So yeah, you have more lead to throw around, but not for long, and it will probably miss. :)
You know, ive have honestly never had much issue with them. I consider my self a mediocre shot at best, yet I still seem to easily land critical shots well past d400. Maybe its just the volume of lead, but the ballistics dont seem any where near as bad as the la7.
If some one has stats for the guns or more detailed information about what that weight does id love to see it. :ahand
Currently I always take heavy gun pkg, and I find that although its only 60 rounds per gun thats more than enough to knock 2-3 cons out through shots of all types. most of the reason im hesitant to discount these guns is 1) the snapshots and deflections I often get would seem to b less than lethal with only 2, where as 4 is enough to wreck them. 2) ive never noticed a tangible difference with weight from them being and issue. 3) in the ma where you often find yourself bounced by more then 1v1, the extra knockdown offers a better chance at survival than the a5s other traits since its not quite fast enough to escape several birds out there, and it doesnt out turn several more. I believe one should use a planes strengths wherever possible, and firepower in the a5seems to have a clear edge over the majority of other fighters.
Just my observations, so please feel free to pick at and put out some more info. Thanks for all the help thus far
*edited for spelling* (although I'm sure it still sucks
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Condor, it you want to know more about the MGFF's ballistics just take a 109E-4 out for a spin. That's all you get are the MGFF's. They are, ballistically, among the worse cannons in the game although I still love flying the 109E-4.
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Condor, it you want to know more about the MGFF's ballistics just take a 109E-4 out for a spin. That's all you get are the MGFF's. They are, ballistically, among the worse cannons in the game although I still love flying the 109E-4.
Rgr ty bald, ill take her up when I have a chance.