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Title: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: kilz on June 23, 2011, 05:58:50 PM
may the whines continue
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: JOACH1M on June 23, 2011, 06:02:18 PM
In  :noid :rofl :bolt:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Max on June 23, 2011, 06:51:34 PM
Always nice to read a constructive comment.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: oakranger on June 23, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
 :noid

Skuzzy is lurking.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: GNucks on June 23, 2011, 07:48:54 PM
"He's here..."

"Who?"

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Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: The Jekyll on June 23, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
I whined, therefore I am.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: DrBone1 on June 23, 2011, 09:05:36 PM
May the tards of AH get lamer!  :rock
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 23, 2011, 10:26:37 PM
may the whines continue

They will bud.  They need the attention, regardless of it being good or bad.     
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: gpwurzel on June 24, 2011, 01:34:40 AM
This thread, allied with the duelling thread, is one of the reasons I refuse to fly/play in the tournament. Another reason is I"m way not good enough ( but that is heavily outweighed by the nonsense from both sides in the other thread) And yes, before anyone points it out, I'm a squad member of The Few.

Wurz
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: AWwrgwy on June 24, 2011, 04:01:26 AM
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wrongway
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 24, 2011, 06:41:04 AM
This thread, allied with the duelling thread, is one of the reasons I refuse to fly/play in the tournament.
Wurz

Glad to here that there are others with the same logic.   :salute Wurzy
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dirtdart on June 24, 2011, 07:50:24 AM
Have to jump IN with both feet. 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Bear76 on June 25, 2011, 12:57:54 PM
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wrongway

Oh yeah, she wants some Bear luvin  :x
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: LCADolby on June 25, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
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Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2011, 01:34:02 PM
I keep pressing alt f4 but it doesn't take take me to the da arena  :bhead 

semp
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SEseph on June 25, 2011, 02:00:03 PM
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Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 25, 2011, 09:28:43 PM
Glad to here that there are others with the same logic.   :salute Wurzy

I puzzle over people who won't participate in something simply because there exists in the universe one or two BBS threads out of thousands that contain some letters that form words that when read have some element of discord in them. It is hard for me to believe that these posts produce such a profound unrest in one's being.   After all, it is not like the competition is carried out in an environment where the participants are sequestered and forced to interact with each other face to face where true unpleasantness would have a real effect. After all, in this case, it's only words that you are not forced to read. 

This observation leads me to only two reasonable conclusions about a person that would give such a reason for lack of participation. One, they need an excuse for other reasons that they are not man enough to admit. Or two, they have such a weak constitution that simple words that they are not forced to read cause them to be so profoundly addled and upset that, for the sake of their own wellbeing they avoid the competition altogether. 

As a side note, I do find it fascinating that, while these refuse to participate, we do find them insinuating themselves into the discussion. Hmmm. What does that tell us? Hmmm. It tells us that most likely that it is the first reason with some combination of the second. Or it is the leprechaun that is making them read AND respond. That is one mean leprechaun. 

It is also noteworthy that they did not participate in the first few tourneys that had no discord. Yep, definitely the first reason at least. 

So BE, I saw your post in the other thread. Ppl will continue to participate because not everyone in this game is a ninny.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: B-17 on June 25, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
I AM ONE OF THE WHINERS!!!!




















except i was taught not to whine, no matter what the circumstances. :D
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ink on June 26, 2011, 05:17:27 AM
I puzzle over people who won't participate in something simply because there exists in the universe one or two BBS threads out of thousands that contain some letters that form words that when read have some element of discord in them. It is hard for me to believe that these posts produce such a profound unrest in one's being.   After all, it is not like the competition is carried out in an environment where the participants are sequestered and forced to interact with each other face to face where true unpleasantness would have a real effect. After all, in this case, it's only words that you are not forced to read. 

This observation leads me to only two reasonable conclusions about a person that would give such a reason for lack of participation. One, they need an excuse for other reasons that they are not man enough to admit. Or two, they have such a weak constitution that simple words that they are not forced to read cause them to be so profoundly addled and upset that, for the sake of their own wellbeing they avoid the competition altogether. 

As a side note, I do find it fascinating that, while these refuse to participate, we do find them insinuating themselves into the discussion. Hmmm. What does that tell us? Hmmm. It tells us that most likely that it is the first reason with some combination of the second. Or it is the leprechaun that is making them read AND respond. That is one mean leprechaun. 

It is also noteworthy that they did not participate in the first few tourneys that had no discord. Yep, definitely the first reason at least. 

So BE, I saw your post in the other thread. Ppl will continue to participate because not everyone in this game is a ninny.

you and your damn logic.......I concede...I will retract my statement about not being in the next one....I will be for the simple fact that I have had some great fights and truly sunbat hit the nail right on the head :aok
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: The Jekyll on June 26, 2011, 09:17:32 AM
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Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 27, 2011, 06:50:17 AM
As a side note, I do find it fascinating that, while these refuse to participate, we do find them insinuating themselves into the discussion.

You fell on your sword Lancelot.   
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Vinkman on June 27, 2011, 08:34:46 AM
Glad to here that there are others with the same logic.   :salute Wurzy

You pass up the fun of competing in the bracket because BBS whing? Not sure I see the logic in that.  :salute
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 27, 2011, 08:42:13 AM
You fell on your sword Lancelot.   

Sunbat has participated plenty.

You pass up the fun of competing in the bracket because BBS whing? Not sure I see the logic in that.  :salute

There is no logic since there was no drama in the first 5, yet the no shows from many bbs dogfighting clubbers was eye opening to say the least.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Vinkman on June 27, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
Sunbat has participated plenty.

There is no logic since there was no drama in the first 5, yet the no shows from many bbs dogfighting clubbers was eye opening to say the least.

Is not showing up related to whining?  Forfeits stink and are very dissapointing. There were a lot of them in this bracket. AND they screwed up my picks!
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 27, 2011, 08:50:40 AM
No. Actually I know one player who joined a tournament just to "join" and then "forgot" about his match just so he didn't have to put his toon skills on display.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 27, 2011, 09:59:25 AM
Sunbat has participated plenty.

There is no logic since there was no drama in the first 5, yet the no shows from many bbs dogfighting clubbers was eye opening to say the least.

There is a dogfighing club?   I never knew there was.    There were some dramatic moments, but they were unknown to the community.    But nothing like the gropefest of the last two.   They were handled privately by the review committee.

Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 27, 2011, 10:03:21 AM
There were some dramatic moments, but they were unknown to the community.    But nothing like the gropefest of the last two.   They were handled privately by the review committee.

Maybe so, but you are eluding the point that I made.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 27, 2011, 10:08:55 AM
Maybe so, but you are eluding the point that I made.

I am eluding nothing grizz.   But I am laughing at the hypocrisy displayed by those in their "social club".    I have been for about two years now.   
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 27, 2011, 10:56:44 AM
You fell on your sword Lancelot.   


I anticipated this comment; I have participated in the past and will again.  This time I was unable to sign up because I was banned from the BBS for being a patriot.  I took the opportunity to take a BBS break, and therefore, was unaware of the tourney.  I plan on being in the next one.  How do you account for your lack of participation that doesn't cast you as either having a weak constitution or being scared of having your toon skills (or lack thereof - as is my case) on display? 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Guppy35 on June 27, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
I anticipated this comment; I have participated in the past and will again.  This time I was unable to sign up because I was banned from the BBS for being a patriot.  I took the opportunity to take a BBS break, and therefore, was unaware of the tourney.  I plan on being in the next one.  How do you account for your lack of participation that doesn't cast you as either having a weak constitution or being scared of having your toon skills (or lack thereof - as is my case) on display? 

Yer head is gonna explode SunBat :)

I was with ya for a bit, but when the conversation spins towards weak and scared, in a cartoon game, I drifted right away again.

If you've got the time and the inclination, more power to ya.  Nothing wrong with good competition.  Where this thing got lost for a bit, was in the cartoon ego's getting too wrapped up in something so trivial.  The tourney is voluntary after all.  You can kick my cartoon tail all over the arena from now until doomsday and it won't change the fact that I'm still sitting at my computer enjoying myself pretending to be a cartoon fighter pilot.  No fear, no risk, no weak constitution.  I'll still be OK with me in the morning :)



Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 27, 2011, 02:43:11 PM
Yer head is gonna explode SunBat :)

I was with ya for a bit, but when the conversation spins towards weak and scared, in a cartoon game, I drifted right away again.

If you've got the time and the inclination, more power to ya.  Nothing wrong with good competition.  Where this thing got lost for a bit, was in the cartoon ego's getting too wrapped up in something so trivial.  The tourney is voluntary after all.  You can kick my cartoon tail all over the arena from now until doomsday and it won't change the fact that I'm still sitting at my computer enjoying myself pretending to be a cartoon fighter pilot.  No fear, no risk, no weak constitution.  I'll still be OK with me in the morning :)





Which is exactly how I feel.   Well put Dan.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 27, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
After which tournament did this thing get lost?  Just wondering because I saw neither Karaya nor Corky sign up for any of them.   :aok

Must have got lost before the first.   :noid
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: kilo2 on June 27, 2011, 02:49:25 PM
After which tournament did this thing get lost?  Just wondering because I saw neither Karaya nor Corky sign up for any of them.   :aok

Must have got lost before the first.   :noid

Insert comment about not being in because of the perceived egos. OR the I didn't have the time to have a 15 min dogfight.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Guppy35 on June 27, 2011, 02:51:41 PM
After which tournament did this thing get lost?  Just wondering because I saw neither Karaya nor Corky sign up for any of them.   :aok

Must have got lost before the first.   :noid

It's cuz I'm skeered of ya Grizz :)

I trust you get the point, not that you'd want to admit that :)
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: MickDono on June 27, 2011, 02:57:03 PM
I didn't have the time to have a 15 min dogfight.

The timezone issue turned out to be a killer this time round.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 27, 2011, 02:58:05 PM
You can kick my cartoon tail all over the arena from now until doomsday and it won't change the fact that I'm still sitting at my computer enjoying myself pretending to be a cartoon fighter pilot.  No fear, no risk, no weak constitution.  I'll still be OK with me in the morning :)

That is my point exactly.  So what could possibly be the reason for sitting out if you have the right attitude about cartoon death?  It can only be that you are too weak to deal with a little controversy or you are scared that your skills will be put on display.  I really don’t see any other reason to not participate other than one.  That one reason is that you really don’t care to, but if that is the case, say so rather than flitting around the BBS saying that you are too good for a competition full of poor sportsmanship. Thereby placing yourself on a high horse, which is what the honorable Karaya has done to the detriment of those organizing and participating in the tourney – not to mention the tournament itself.  

As proof that I “get it”, I myself compete knowing that I am not going to win.  I fight guys that also sign up in that tournament all the time and usually don't win.  So going in, I know I won’t win.  I sign up for the fun and opportunity to perhaps meet someone new,  fight someone new, learn something new and see how far I can get.  The price of that tutition and admission for the fun I have is that everyone will know when MickyD pwns me.  No big deal.  It's worth it.  Do you get it?

I value and appreciate your “It’s all fun” sermon, Corky, but in this case, it actually proves my point.  Anything else is you trying to shoehorn your own sermon into a spot that it won’t fit.  
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 27, 2011, 03:05:10 PM
It's cuz I'm skeered of ya Grizz :)

I trust you get the point, not that you'd want to admit that :)

Ha, I'm an ez kill.  

Well your point was that there is nothing wrong with some good competition (I Agree) and that this thing got lost along the way (I also agree).  But when did it get lost because I did not see many of the most vocal "THE FIGHT" guys signing up and partaking in it before it "got lost" which was well into over a year of these competitions.  I also do not see many of these fellows in KOTH, which are basically the two events that would cater to that mode of play more than anything else in the game aside from furball lake (which they don't fly at either).

Something stinks and I hate to say it, but I think Sunbat's "Scared" theory is the simplest and most plausible theory to explain this phenomena.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Guppy35 on June 27, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
That is my point exactly.  So what could possibly be the reason for sitting out if you have the right attitude about cartoon death?  It can only be that you are too weak to deal with a little controversy or you are scared that your skills will be put on display.  I really don’t see any other reason to not participate other than one.  That one reason is that you really don’t care to, but if that is the case, say so rather than flitting around the BBS saying that you are too good for a competition full of poor sportsmanship. Thereby placing yourself on a high horse, which is what the honorable Karaya has done to the detriment of those organizing and participating in the tourney – not to mention the tournament itself.  

As proof that I “get it”, I myself compete knowing that I am not going to win.  I fight guys that also sign up in that tournament all the time and usually don't win.  So going in, I know I won’t win.  I sign up for the fun and opportunity to perhaps meet someone new,  fight someone new, learn something new and see how far I can get.

I value and appreciate your “It’s all fun” sermon, Corky, but in this case, it actually proves my point.  Anything else is you trying to shoehorn your own sermon into a spot that it won’t fit.  


You are trying to hard on this one Bat.  I'll be the first to concede I'm not good enough for the competition.  Some great sticks playing in this thing.  I choose not to participate. More power to you for finding the time.  That doesn't diminish my support for what BE is doing voluntarily to try and contribute to the game, nor does it stop me from enjoying what is generally some good fights, flown by a majority of classy folks showing good sportsmanship.

The irony to me was that the folks actually involved in the original dust up, didn't have a problem, it was the mob that piled in after them.  Then it became the usual, which crew is going to get the last word competition so they can 'prove' they're right.  And lets be honest, it's that same crew doing that wherever there's been some kind of dueling bracket of one kind or another.  
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 27, 2011, 03:33:09 PM
You are trying to hard on this one Bat.  I'll be the first to concede I'm not good enough for the competition.  Some great sticks playing in this thing.  I choose not to participate. More power to you for finding the time.  That doesn't diminish my support for what BE is doing voluntarily to try and contribute to the game, nor does it stop me from enjoying what is generally some good fights, flown by a majority of classy folks showing good sportsmanship.

The irony to me was that the folks actually involved in the original dust up, didn't have a problem, it was the mob that piled in after them.  Then it became the usual, which crew is going to get the last word competition so they can 'prove' they're right.  And lets be honest, it's that same crew doing that wherever there's been some kind of dueling bracket of one kind or another.  

Corky, I never said anything about you.  I don’t recall you saying that the reason you don’t participate is because of the poor sportsmanship.  That was directed toward Karaya and the others of his ilk that look down their snouts at the competition.  You have put yourself in the middle of the “fight” now and have been accidentally popped on the chin. Grizz makes a good point. I don’t see why you don’t sign up for the tourney.  You say you just don’t want to, but what you always DO say you want is the fight.  How much more pure of a fight are you going to get than what BE has set up for us in this tourney?  You don’t choose anything, everything is equal and all there is left to do is meet and fight.  Brilliant!  It should be right down your alley.  You play enough to where you would have time.  I just don’t get why you wouldn’t do it.  Perhaps my theory is gaining more and more steam…

I see papers published.  I see SunBat in Vegas as a keynote speaker on toon psychological phenomena.  I see standing ovations. I see book deals.  I see me shaking hands with the Dos Equis guy; I see him getting jealous cuz his ladies find me more interesting.  I see me…and man am I sexy with my theory. 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ink on June 27, 2011, 03:46:14 PM
Corky, I never said anything about you.  I don’t recall you saying that the reason you don’t participate is because of the poor sportsmanship.  That was directed toward Karaya and the others of his ilk that look down their snouts at the competition.  You have put yourself in the middle of the “fight” now and have been accidentally popped on the chin. Grizz makes a good point. I don’t see why you don’t sign up for the tourney.  You say you just don’t want to, but what you always DO say you want is the fight.  How much more pure of a fight are you going to get than what BE has set up for us in this tourney?  You don’t choose anything, everything is equal and all there is left to do is meet and fight.  Brilliant!  It should be right down your alley.  You play enough to where you would have time.  I just don’t get why you wouldn’t do it.  Perhaps my theory is gaining more and more steam…

I see papers published.  I see SunBat in Vegas as a keynote speaker on toon psychological phenomena.  I see standing ovations. I see book deals.  I see me shaking hands with the Dos Equis guy; I see him getting jealous cuz his ladies find me more interesting.  I see me…and man am I sexy with my theory. 


 :rofl :rofl

you are a friggin riot :rofl
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: JUGgler on June 27, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
Ha, I'm an ez kill.   



I get stuck in a state of delirium when I think of this statement



oops :t



JUGgler
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Guppy35 on June 27, 2011, 06:04:27 PM
Corky, I never said anything about you.  I don’t recall you saying that the reason you don’t participate is because of the poor sportsmanship.  That was directed toward Karaya and the others of his ilk that look down their snouts at the competition.  You have put yourself in the middle of the “fight” now and have been accidentally popped on the chin. Grizz makes a good point. I don’t see why you don’t sign up for the tourney.  You say you just don’t want to, but what you always DO say you want is the fight.  How much more pure of a fight are you going to get than what BE has set up for us in this tourney?  You don’t choose anything, everything is equal and all there is left to do is meet and fight.  Brilliant!  It should be right down your alley.  You play enough to where you would have time.  I just don’t get why you wouldn’t do it.  Perhaps my theory is gaining more and more steam…

I see papers published.  I see SunBat in Vegas as a keynote speaker on toon psychological phenomena.  I see standing ovations. I see book deals.  I see me shaking hands with the Dos Equis guy; I see him getting jealous cuz his ladies find me more interesting.  I see me…and man am I sexy with my theory. 


Think I'll wait for the book :)
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: fudgums on June 27, 2011, 06:09:26 PM

I see papers published.  I see SunBat in Vegas as a keynote speaker on toon psychological phenomena.  I see standing ovations. I see book deals.  I see me shaking hands with the Dos Equis guy; I see him getting jealous cuz his ladies find me more interesting.  I see me…and man am I sexy with my theory. 


Permission to use in sig?  :aok
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 27, 2011, 06:38:00 PM
Permission to use in sig?  :aok
You know u never have to ask, Fud. :D  
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: fudgums on June 27, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
You know u never have to ask, Fud. :D  


 :) :aok
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Oddball-CAF on June 27, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
Personally, I hope the 59 page pursefight continues. I've gotten a LOT of laughs out of watchin'
the various high and mighty AH "gods" whine.  :D
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Masherbrum on June 27, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Personally, I hope the 59 page pursefight continues. I've gotten a LOT of laughs out of watchin'
the various high and mighty AH "gods" whine.  :D

 :devil 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Assi29 on June 27, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
The fantasy land dueling bracket is for people who are scared of serving their country in the MA.  War in the MA is where warriors enlist to carry out the orders of proven leaders, not 200 chest thumping, "me me me" types.  I don't know how you guys justify abandoning your squaddies while they sacrifice in the MA's.  It's not something that a brother in arms like me can fathom.

At the end of day, those are the guys with honor.  When they turn off the monitor and do the post flight wipe down, they can look into it and see the reflection of a true hero.



Assi, out.  :salute
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Guppy35 on June 28, 2011, 12:07:54 AM
The fantasy land dueling bracket is for people who are scared of serving their country in the MA.  War in the MA is where warriors enlist to carry out the orders of proven leaders, not 200 chest thumping, "me me me" types.  I don't know how you guys justify abandoning your squaddies while they sacrifice in the MA's.  It's not something that a brother in arms like me can fathom.

At the end of day, those are the guys with honor.  When they turn off the monitor and do the post flight wipe down, they can look into it and see the reflection of a true hero.



Assi, out.  :salute

LOL.  Don't you have a 109E to fly somewhere? :)
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: DMGOD on June 28, 2011, 12:26:18 AM
The fantasy land dueling bracket is for people who are scared of serving their country in the MA.  War in the MA is where warriors enlist to carry out the orders of proven leaders, not 200 chest thumping, "me me me" types.  I don't know how you guys justify abandoning your squaddies while they sacrifice in the MA's.  It's not something that a brother in arms like me can fathom.

At the end of day, those are the guys with honor.  When they turn off the monitor and do the post flight wipe down, they can look into it and see the reflection of a true hero.



Assi, out.  :salute

exactly how many times a day do you fathom?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: phatzo on June 28, 2011, 12:42:23 AM
The fantasy land dueling bracket is for people who are scared of serving their country in the MA.  War in the MA is where warriors enlist to carry out the orders of proven leaders, not 200 chest thumping, "me me me" types.  I don't know how you guys justify abandoning your squaddies while they sacrifice in the MA's.  It's not something that a brother in arms like me can fathom.

At the end of day, those are the guys with honor.  When they turn off the monitor and do the post flight wipe down, they can look into it and see the reflection of a true hero.



Assi, out.  :salute
:banana:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
Ha, I'm an ez kill.  

Well your point was that there is nothing wrong with some good competition (I Agree) and that this thing got lost along the way (I also agree).  But when did it get lost because I did not see many of the most vocal "THE FIGHT" guys signing up and partaking in it before it "got lost" which was well into over a year of these competitions.  I also do not see many of these fellows in KOTH, which are basically the two events that would cater to that mode of play more than anything else in the game aside from furball lake (which they don't fly at either).

Something stinks and I hate to say it, but I think Sunbat's "Scared" theory is the simplest and most plausible theory to explain this phenomena.

I agree that something stinks Grizz.  I think I participated in two or three of these and have not been in KOTH more than a couple of times in the last year and a half.  Then again, I have not been on line in the past year an a half that much either.  You see, some of us got bored after attending KOTH every single time or bored of the game in general after 10 years.  Then, some of us also have other lives other than AH that may occupy our time like, ohhh I don;t know, kids that have sports to go to, trying to start a business, silly things like that.  So, it maybe that it is out of respect to the event and other people that we don;t sign up since we know we may not be able to attend.  So, you tell me what stinks because I am confused.

And please, do not use KOTH to talk about "THE FIGHT" crowd.  Both events are not about fighting.  They are about winning.  This one is cleaner since it is 1 vs 1, but KOTH is all about getting to the fight last and face shooting (as you know very well).

But I will agree with you that from all the people talking about fights, only a very small percentage will ever show up for a duel just for fun.  The "just for fun" should be in bold.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Dead Man Flying on June 28, 2011, 09:10:35 AM
We had lots of formal and informal tournaments back in the early days of Aces High.  I met NathBDP via a H2H dueling tournament circa 2000 or so.

I don't really recall anything approaching the ridiculous levels of whining and rule mongering.  People seem so desperate to establish a legacy or make a name for themselves now that they refuse to accept that you can't and won't win every time.  I guess it's better to default, make excuses, or not participate at all than to expose oneself to risk.

The lack of respect I see in these threads is ridiculous.  Nath and I beat BigMax and Lizard3 in a loose deuce competition years ago, and my competitive side was so over the top that... I met BigMax for lunch when I was in Mississippi a couple of years later, and we had a good laugh about it.  Crazy, right?

Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: coombz on June 28, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
Both events are not about fighting.  They are about winning. 

disagree!

i would say (tentatively, as i have not yet been a participant in any of the brackets) that one of the most important aspects of the duelling competition is to have some of the most talented sticks in the game fighting one other...

in my experience (it may not be everyones), when you get to that kind of high level of skill in something competitive, the most enjoyment comes not from just 'owning' everyone who is worse than you, but from competing with other highly skilled people...win or lose.

i also think the duelling bracket is great for those who aspire to improve their flying to get the opportunity to go up against the aforementioned high level players and learn from the experience. the feedback i've read on these boards certainly indicates that is an important consideration
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Kazaa on June 28, 2011, 09:42:19 AM
Puppet vs Phew war in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oesOC7JvcwQ
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 09:48:15 AM
disagree!

i would say (tentatively, as i have not yet been a participant in any of the brackets) that one of the most important aspects of the duelling competition is to have some of the most talented sticks in the game fighting one other...

in my experience (it may not be everyones), when you get to that kind of high level of skill in something competitive, the most enjoyment comes not from just 'owning' everyone who is worse than you, but from competing with other highly skilled people...win or lose.

i also think the duelling bracket is great for those who aspire to improve their flying to get the opportunity to go up against the aforementioned high level players and learn from the experience. the feedback i've read on these boards certainly indicates that is an important consideration

Yes, the enjoyment maybe what you stated.  But the events are made for winning.  A bracket or KOTH event promote playing for the win.  There is nothing wrong with that.  Whats is wrong is pretending that they are not. If every one wanted to just fight for fun, the DA fields would be full of players like it used to be a long time ago.

I also agree with DMF.  Most guys are out there to make a name for them selves.  Every time I duel someone and decide to just play for fun and experiment, I had to hear about it the next day.  If they get destroyed they just never come back. (with the exception of a select few).  

Normally, one would enter a bracket or KOTH type of event just for fun only if they know they could not compete.  That is wrong.  It takes away from the competitiveness of the event and also allows some to advance easier than others.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Qrsu on June 28, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
I also agree with DMF.  Most guys are out there to make a name for them selves.  Every time I duel someone and decide to just play for fun and experiment, I had to hear about it the next day.  If they get destroyed they just never come back. (with the exception of a select few).  

When can we meet up in the DA? I want to experiment a new technique I just came up with. It involves shedding parts for a more even weight distribution. My preliminary tests have turned up evidence that this works the best without elevators and half of the right wing.

Once you've helped me perfect it, I will return to these forums to slander your good name. You down?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SHawk on June 28, 2011, 10:17:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oesOC7JvcwQ



 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
When can we meet up in the DA? I want to experiment a new technique I just came up with. It involves shedding parts for a more even weight distribution. My preliminary tests have turned up evidence that this works the best without elevators and half of the right wing.

Once you've helped me perfect it, I will return to these forums to slander your good name. You down?


 :rofl How have you been fool?  No need test that one.  It has been proven already  :neener:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Qrsu on June 28, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
:rofl How have you been fool?  No need test that one.  It has been proven already  :neener:

I'm terrible, thanks.  :D How about yourself?

Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Zoney on June 28, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
The event is certainly, and obviously NOT about winning to me.  I have no expectations except that I will have a fight.  I have no chance of winning, I, and I believe many like me just want to play.  So far I have only played this event twice, both fights were awesome and I lost.  They probably were not even that awesome to my foes, as they are very good sticks.  But maybe I provided at least a giggle for them during the engagement.

How many guys ya think are like me, just here searching for fun.  Leave us something to look forward to, should we ever attain a skill level that might allow us to win.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Gemini on June 28, 2011, 11:16:57 AM
The event is certainly, and obviously NOT about winning to me.  I have no expectations except that I will have a fight.  I have no chance of winning, I, and I believe many like me just want to play.  So far I have only played this event twice, both fights were awesome and I lost.  They probably were not even that awesome to my foes, as they are very good sticks.  But maybe I provided at least a giggle for them during the engagement.

How many guys ya think are like me, just here searching for fun.  Leave us something to look forward to, should we ever attain a skill level that might allow us to win.

pew pew I entered for fun too! :rock
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 28, 2011, 11:53:37 AM
I agree that something stinks Grizz.  I think I participated in two or three of these and have not been in KOTH more than a couple of times in the last year and a half.  Then again, I have not been on line in the past year an a half that much either.  You see, some of us got bored after attending KOTH every single time or bored of the game in general after 10 years.  Then, some of us also have other lives other than AH that may occupy our time like, ohhh I don;t know, kids that have sports to go to, trying to start a business, silly things like that.  So, it maybe that it is out of respect to the event and other people that we don;t sign up since we know we may not be able to attend.  So, you tell me what stinks because I am confused.

You took that quite personally, I'll have to go back to reread my post and see where I made reference or inference to Dedalos.  :headscratch:

You see, some of us got bored after attending KOTH every single time or bored of the game in general after 10 years.

I'm down to only a few a year myself.  Some "fighters" in this game never attend though, not even once a year on a night they happen to be taking a Saturday night off from starting their business.

What stinks is the hypocrisy that this place reeks with.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 28, 2011, 12:04:23 PM
Aces High used to cost around $30 a month didn't it?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ACE on June 28, 2011, 12:29:15 PM


What stinks is the hypocrisy that this place reeks with.

And egos, trolls, shrimping etc..
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Slash27 on June 28, 2011, 12:30:43 PM
Aces High used to cost around $30 a month didn't it?
yep
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 28, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
And egos, trolls, shrimping etc..

Aside from a lot of the dumb stuff you post, you at least fight, I respect that much.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 28, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
yep

I thought so.  I guess it went down to $15 a month when the good ole days were officially over and the game just wasn’t as good as it used to be.  That was nice of HTC to recognize that fact and give everyone a price break... 

We had lots of formal and informal tournaments back in the early days of Aces High.  I met NathBDP via a H2H dueling tournament circa 2000 or so.

I don't really recall anything approaching the ridiculous levels of whining and rule mongering.  People seem so desperate to establish a legacy or make a name for themselves now that they refuse to accept that you can't and won't win every time.  I guess it's better to default, make excuses, or not participate at all than to expose oneself to risk.

The lack of respect I see in these threads is ridiculous.  Nath and I beat BigMax and Lizard3 in a loose deuce competition years ago, and my competitive side was so over the top that... I met BigMax for lunch when I was in Mississippi a couple of years later, and we had a good laugh about it.  Crazy, right?


Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: 2bighorn on June 28, 2011, 12:37:26 PM
Some "fighters" in this game never attend though

To our defense, we did join 'fight' club until it was taken over by AH 'play my way or highway' lobbyists and 'look, I'm member of elite club' peeps.

Way back, we did participate in KOTH (when people still looked for fights) and dueling ladders, DA was always full with right kind of sticks and we always had plenty of fun fights.

As for today, we are just old, unreliable and not competitive enough. We still fight in less formal venues though  :old:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Vudak on June 28, 2011, 12:38:31 PM

Some "fighters" in this game never attend though, not even once a year on a night they happen to be taking a Saturday night off from starting their business.


Signing up for a dueling bracket or KoTH to find a fight is kind of like making a formal appointment with the wife to have sex.  Sure, the end result can be fun, but it is just not the same as a bit of spontaneity.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 28, 2011, 12:40:41 PM
We still fight in less formal venues though  :old:

Some do.  :aok
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ACE on June 28, 2011, 12:41:52 PM
Aside from a lot of the dumb stuff you post, you at least fight, I respect that much.

Well..Im not trying to impress anyone so I just talk normal.  (Not saying you are.)
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 12:44:11 PM
The event is certainly, and obviously NOT about winning to me.  I have no expectations except that I will have a fight. 

Well then, why wait for a bracket event or a KOTH event to have a fight?  As I said, the DA and to some extend the AvA was full of people just fighting for fun.  Why wait for an event when those services are available 24/7?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 28, 2011, 12:44:58 PM
Way back, we did participate in KOTH (when people still looked for fights) and dueling ladders, DA was always full with right kind of sticks and we always had plenty of fun fights.

I'd pay $30 for that. 

AND

Well..Im not trying to impress anyone so I just talk normally.  (Not saying you are.)

It's too bad you have to try. 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 12:46:08 PM
was always full with right kind of sticks and we always had plenty of fun fights.

Until you ruined it  :furious

Quote
As for today, we are just old, unreliable and not competitive enough.

Your blinker has been on for the last 5 pages  :old:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ACE on June 28, 2011, 12:47:23 PM
I'd pay $30 for that. 

AND

It's too bad you have to try. 

Cocky?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: 2bighorn on June 28, 2011, 12:47:36 PM
As I said, the DA...

It was fun til you messed it up. Shame on you!
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 28, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
Signing up for a dueling bracket or KoTH to find a fight is kind of like making a formal appointment with the wife to have sex.  Sure, the end result can be fun, but it is just not the same as a bit of spontaneity.

Funny analogy but not quite the same thing.  I'd relate it more to signing up for a local golf tournament after hitting a few balls on the range and playing with your friends.

I am also not talking exclusively about members of the "fighting club".  There are many advocates of the fight on the boards that are no shows to every fighting event as well.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: TonyJoey on June 28, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
As for today, we are just old, unreliable and not competitive enough. We still fight in less formal venues though  :old:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiayUDn9m8w
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Vudak on June 28, 2011, 12:54:22 PM
Funny analogy but not quite the same thing.  I'd relate it more to signing up for a local golf tournament after hitting a few balls on the range and playing with your friends.

I don't know.  I can only speak for myself, but I always felt that the "can't find a fight" frustration is that, sometimes, it can feel like the ONLY way to find one is to sign up for one ahead of time (be that 5 minutes ahead of time or 5 days).

I mean, the people who have been harping on for years about the lack of fights are certainly also the same people who are part of a network of regular dueling partners.  None of us has to go a single night without having a good fight.  The problem is the regularity that one has to leave the MA to have one.

So respectfully I'm not sure it means much that "they" aren't regulars in these competitions.  It's not necessarily what they're looking for when they complain about a lack of fights.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Slash27 on June 28, 2011, 12:55:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiayUDn9m8w
Hold my phone, I'm about to whip some ahhh my hip.....
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Ardy123 on June 28, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
I forgot how to fly  :uhoh

..or maybe I never knew... :uhoh
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: 2bighorn on June 28, 2011, 12:58:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiayUDn9m8w

Just like that.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: grizz441 on June 28, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
I don't know.  I can only speak for myself, but I always felt that the "can't find a fight" frustration is that, sometimes, it can feel like the ONLY way to find one is to sign up for one ahead of time (be that 5 minutes ahead of time or 5 days).

I mean, the people who have been harping on for years about the lack of fights are certainly also the same people who are part of a network of regular dueling partners.  None of us has to go a single night without having a good fight.  The problem is the regularity that one has to leave the MA to have one.

So respectfully I'm not sure it means much that "they" aren't regulars in these competitions.  It's not necessarily what they're looking for when they complain about a lack of fights.

Well I was not referring to you anyways!  :aok
Besides, didn't you participate in a couple BE Tournaments?

If you ever get a free 15 minutes, look back at some of the old brackets and see which names are missing from them.  A lot of those names are some of the biggest "fight" guys here on the BBS.  Very interesting stuff to say the least.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 01:06:27 PM
It was fun til you messed it up. Shame on you!

It was you!  You are just too old to remember!
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 28, 2011, 01:07:43 PM
 Very interesting stuff to say the least.

I am with you on that one.  I've never seen them but I have heard them  :rofl
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: MickDono on June 28, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiayUDn9m8w

 :rofl
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Bruv119 on June 28, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
Is it too late to organise pay per view for Krup Vs Spek -  The Rematch?   

I'll be prepared to take 60 - 40 Royalties if Sunbat's lawyers can arrange the contract for free. 
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: ACE on June 28, 2011, 04:45:24 PM
Is it too late to organise pay per view for Krup Vs Spek -  The Rematch?   

I'll be prepared to take 60 - 40 Royalties if Sunbat's lawyers can arrange the contract for free. 

120 euros bruv :)
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Bruv119 on June 28, 2011, 04:49:14 PM
120 euros bruv :)

I will pay you in Italian Lira.   
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: SunBat on June 28, 2011, 05:01:04 PM
Is it too late to organise pay per view for Krup Vs Spek -  The Rematch?   

I'll be prepared to take 60 - 40 Royalties if Sunbat's lawyers can arrange the contract for free. 

My contract lawyers are all tied up on my book deal right now, but I think I can spring a couple loose for this special occasion. 

Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Ardy123 on June 28, 2011, 05:38:08 PM
I will pay you in Italian Lira.   

Thats almost as bad as the paying in greek drachma.
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Widewing on June 28, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
It was you!  You are just too old to remember!

I'm pretty old and I remember!

Er, what was the topic again?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 29, 2011, 08:58:50 AM
I'm pretty old and I remember!

Er, what was the topic again?

We were talking about the best way we could leverage our synergies to better implement the dog fighting paradigm  :old:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: Shane on June 30, 2011, 08:19:34 AM
We were talking about the best way we could leverage our synergies to better implement the dog fighting paradigm  :old:

that's right.  why, yes i can recall whe...<zzzzzzz>   :old:
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: dedalos on June 30, 2011, 08:30:30 AM
that's right.  why, yes i can recall whe...<zzzzzzz>   :old:

Upper management eh?
Title: Re: For the whiners of the dueling bracket
Post by: mensa180 on July 08, 2011, 08:10:02 PM
I try to be as cocky as possible mainly because it's fun and I know I suck.  I also try to join the tournies when feasible, but after awhile I just couldn't compete on time and haven't bothered signing up for another until I know for sure I will be able to make all the duels.

Also I am very afraid of other cartoon pilots, which is why I evade them at all costs in the arenas.