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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on June 27, 2011, 09:54:28 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded)
Was teaching Saturday night after a day of paintball, when the ATIS at KBDR comes up with Closed due to emergency. So we had to put down in New Haven. Turns out - a guy I know in a Cherokee 6 got low, slow and behind the power curve - and landed short of the blast fence. Maybe landed is a misnomer - he ripped a wing off, which exploded behind him luckily, plowed his nose through the blast fence - it could've been worse. Suffice to say, the airport was closed for the next 20 hours.
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Holy...... wow
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oh dang :uhoh
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You always have the best screen shots... :airplane:
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That'll buff out.
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I think the system will credit him with a landing rather than a ditch.
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Glad he is ok....are you sure Corky wasn't piloting? Looks like his handy work.
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I think the system will credit him with a landing rather than a ditch.
Yeah he got most of it on the pavement. :lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded)
Was teaching Saturday night after a day of paintball, when the ATIS at KBDR comes up with Closed due to emergency. So we had to put down in New Haven. Turns out - a guy I know in a Cherokee 6 got low, slow and behind the power curve - and landed short of the blast fence. Maybe landed is a misnomer - he ripped a wing off, which exploded behind him luckily, plowed his nose through the blast fence - it could've been worse. Suffice to say, the airport was closed for the next 20 hours.
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stuff like that is why i thank god for the excellent cfi's i've had.
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stuff like that is why i thank god for the excellent cfi's i've had.
The best CFI can't fix poor decision-making...
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The best CFI can't fix poor decision-making...
true, but he can drum things into his students constantly. mine did. i'm sure the cfi's on here will say the same thing.....keep drumming it in, and it'll take hold.
bob has a tendency to bring "problems" onto the airplane with him. and i always seem to find them. but....thanks to his style, i've landed with partial engine failure, and with total electrical system failures.....the electrical system pooped out at night......and both times were non-events, that could very easily have turned very very bad, without the guidance of a good cfi. he wasn't onboard for those btw.......but i'd dealt with both instances simulated many many times.
he also had a good habit of making sure his students understood the "whys" of what he was instructing. :aok understanding the "whys" leads to it sticking in ones mind to make better decisions.
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Glad he is ok....are you sure Corky wasn't piloting? Looks like his handy work.
I will admit to bouncing my first solo landing, but I actually never cracked up a real plane :)
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I will admit to bouncing my first solo landing, but I actually never cracked up a real plane :)
would you believe that the very best landing i ever had was my first solo? while not bad, i've never put her down as smoothly as i did that day.
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That'll buff out.
:lol
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Well only this morning, in fact on the first flight of the day. I had some excitement. Took off, but the climb rate seemed poor and the engine down on power. I went through everything and spotted the cylinder head temperature gauge was pegged right off the scale. After some excitement and confusion I succeeded in getting rid of some of my 'passengers' and a hurried descent and landing was made. True to my training I made sure to aim to land deep and carry a bit of speed. If the engine quit on short finals it could go horribly wrong. Better to hit the hedge at the end of the runway at walking speed than crash through wall at the other end at flying speed.
All's well that ends well. It looks like at least one pot is blown. Put a damper on the day somewhat. On the other hand I did get the rest of the day off spoiled a little by my wife taking me shopping, unconvinced of the trauma caused by my close shave with death!
Just proving once again that good training is all important. You may only have to use it once in your career but once is enough.
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Well only this morning, in fact on the first flight of the day. I had some excitement. Took off, but the climb rate seemed poor and the engine down on power. I went through everything and spotted the cylinder head temperature gauge was pegged right off the scale. After some excitement and confusion I succeeded in getting rid of some of my 'passengers' and a hurried descent and landing was made. True to my training I made sure to aim to land deep and carry a bit of speed. If the engine quit on short finals it could go horribly wrong. Better to hit the hedge at the end of the runway at walking speed than crash through wall at the other end at flying speed.
All's well that ends well. It looks like at least one pot is blown. Spoiled the day somewhat. On the other hand I did get the rest of the day off spoiled a little by my wife taking me shopping, unconvinced of the trauma caused by my close shave with death!
Just proving once again that good training is all important. You may only have to use it once in your career but once is enough.
Did you have a failed plug on that cylinder? What were the CHT indications?
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Don't know about the plug, as we had no certified mechanic on the field not even suitable tools So we just pushed it into the hangar. Someone will fly in tomorrow and tear it down. CHT just pegged out to end of the gauge, past the red line and past the 300 degree mark. There was an obvious lack of power, no real vibration but a burning smell. It's a six cylinder, fuel injected Lycoming IO-540. Turning over the prop on the ground revealed two soft cylinders, one with virtually no resistance at all. The CHT is only measured off the hottest cylinder so that's the obvious suspect. We'll find out tomorrow no doubt.
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Don't know about the plug, as we had no certified mechanic on the field not even suitable tools So we just pushed it into the hangar. Someone will fly in tomorrow and tear it down. CHT just pegged out to end of the gauge, past the red line and past the 300 degree mark. There was an obvious lack of power, no real vibration but a burning smell. It's a six cylinder, fuel injected Lycoming IO-540. Turning over the prop on the ground revealed two soft cylinders, one with virtually no resistance at all. The CHT is only measured off the hottest cylinder so that's the obvious suspect. We'll find out tomorrow no doubt.
Shit. You better remove all the plugs and stick a boroscope down that cylinder. If you were rich of peak and CHT off scale with loss of power, that sounds like a pre-ignition event and you might've melted through the cylinder.
Here's a couple links to seminars for EGT CHT and Engine Management. Best if you review all of them, but I marked out areas within the videos that are relevant to you.
http://db.tt/UiFAQUF (http://db.tt/UiFAQUF) Fast FWD to 1:06:00.
http://db.tt/vyqV8J8 (http://db.tt/vyqV8J8) Fast FWD to 00:45:00
http://db.tt/QRayn62 (http://db.tt/QRayn62) Fast FWD to 00:32:00
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Don't know about the plug, as we had no certified mechanic on the field not even suitable tools So we just pushed it into the hangar. Someone will fly in tomorrow and tear it down. CHT just pegged out to end of the gauge, past the red line and past the 300 degree mark. There was an obvious lack of power, no real vibration but a burning smell. It's a six cylinder, fuel injected Lycoming IO-540. Turning over the prop on the ground revealed two soft cylinders, one with virtually no resistance at all. The CHT is only measured off the hottest cylinder so that's the obvious suspect. We'll find out tomorrow no doubt.
BTW,
With BIG BORE Continentals and Lychos - you MUST have a 6 point engine monitor. You can get a 6 cylinder JPI with fuel flow for under $1500 and 10 hours installed.
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Agreed, I suggested it to the boss but put it off as he was thinking about selling it. Bet it's ordered and fitted ASAP now. Thanks for the videos. I've done some reading on the subject before but suddenly it's all the more interesting now!
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In a jump airplane you should count yourself lucky to have TOMATO FLAMES and most of the oil that the airplane holds. Well equipped isn't a word I'd use to describe the one I flew. I'm not even sure calling it equipped in the first place is a fair statement. :lol
Popped into ISP yesterday on the beautiful sunny evening it was expecting a zoo and mad house all in one. Even put a few hundred pounds of extra fuel on because of all the bug smashers about and the likelihood of a go around was increased. Departing home, nobody. The center freqs were quiet. Not one TA much less the usual RA we get dodging VFR airplanes in the area. 2 Cessnas inbound as we landed and that was it. Didn't see anybody on the way out either, got turned on course earlier than I remember being, Long Beach Island was quiet and again landing at home, not a soul in the area. Spooky.
Tomorrow we go to Quonset State for a pickup and ISP again Tuesday. Hoping for 500' overcast.
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In a jump airplane you should count yourself lucky to have TOMATO FLAMES and most of the oil that the airplane holds. Well equipped isn't a word I'd use to describe the one I flew. I'm not even sure calling it equipped in the first place is a fair statement. :lol
Popped into ISP yesterday on the beautiful sunny evening it was expecting a zoo and mad house all in one. Even put a few hundred pounds of extra fuel on because of all the bug smashers about and the likelihood of a go around was increased. Departing home, nobody. The center freqs were quiet. Not one TA much less the usual RA we get dodging VFR airplanes in the area. 2 Cessnas inbound as we landed and that was it. Didn't see anybody on the way out either, got turned on course earlier than I remember being, Long Beach Island was quiet and again landing at home, not a soul in the area. Spooky.
Tomorrow we go to Quonset State for a pickup and ISP again Tuesday. Hoping for 500' overcast.
Call me 4083487058. Heading to Bdr - can be at ISP in 10 minutes. U going to Excel or jet center?
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Glad he is ok....are you sure Corky wasn't piloting? Looks like his handy work.
I was thinking of a certain 80th bomber pillet myself. :D Hope the guy is alright, and ouch. :uhoh
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wolf what do you use to capture radio traffic, I film a ton of stuff while back seat drivin but haven't found a way (that I like) to capture radio transmissions yet.
any pointers/suggestions on equipment?
TY Vudu15 :aok
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wolf what do you use to capture radio traffic, I film a ton of stuff while back seat drivin but haven't found a way (that I like) to capture radio transmissions yet.
any pointers/suggestions on equipment?
TY Vudu15 :aok
See this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,303821.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,303821.0.html)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz-fZkKlPmU&feature=player_embedded)
Was teaching Saturday night after a day of paintball, when the ATIS at KBDR comes up with Closed due to emergency. So we had to put down in New Haven. Turns out - a guy I know in a Cherokee 6 got low, slow and behind the power curve - and landed short of the blast fence. Maybe landed is a misnomer - he ripped a wing off, which exploded behind him luckily, plowed his nose through the blast fence - it could've been worse. Suffice to say, the airport was closed for the next 20 hours.
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Ah S***.
How is the pilot doing?
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TY sir Im checkin that stuff out right now. :aok
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Already back from ISP Wolf. In and out of Quonset State and White Plains tomorrow racing home to start my vacation so I'm not going to be sticking around much. If I get up that way for any amount of time or we say overnight I'll look you up.
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Relative to my incident, turned out to be a blown compression seal on the piston of number five pot, which just happens to be one with the monitor. The piston is melted. Makes me wonder what would have happened if the same situation occured on a cylinder without a monitor. :headscratch:
We're going to replace all six cylinders and fit a six point engine monitor. So that's a good result.
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Relative to my incident, turned out to be a blown compression seal on the piston of number five pot, which just happens to be one with the monitor. The piston is melted. Makes me wonder what would have happened if the same situation occured on a cylinder without a monitor. :headscratch:
We're going to replace all six cylinders and fit a six point engine monitor. So that's a good result.
Skype me and let's talk. Check PM
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Relative to my incident, turned out to be a blown compression seal on the piston of number five pot, which just happens to be one with the monitor. The piston is melted. Makes me wonder what would have happened if the same situation occured on a cylinder without a monitor. :headscratch:
We're going to replace all six cylinders and fit a six point engine monitor. So that's a good result.
How many hours on the other cylinders? Seems like a lot of expense unless they were all high-time or the bore-scope revealed something.
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The boss isn't taking any chances. It might be unneccessary but he's taking no chances.
I just want to thank Wolfala for all the help he's given us. We spoke via Skype today. He took time out of his clearly busy day to help a fellow aviator, sent me a ton of documents and really educated us on piston engine management and he's offered more help. I'm certainly better informed now than I was a few days ago.
Thanks Wolfala :salute
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The boss isn't taking any chances. It might be unneccessary but he's taking no chances.
I just want to thank Wolfala for all the help he's given us. We spoke via Skype today. He took time out of his clearly busy day to help a fellow aviator, sent me a ton of documents and really educated us on piston engine management and he's offered more help. I'm certainly better informed now than I was a few days ago.
Thanks Wolfala :salute
Pleasure. Nothing like demolishing a space, yelling at guys and talking engine management at the same time.