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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Shifty on July 19, 2011, 04:46:22 PM
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THE LONG RED WINTER
On The Ground:
While the German 6th Army and 4th Panzer Army had been fighting their way into Stalingrad, Soviet armies had congregated on either side of the city, specifically into the Don bridgeheads that the Romanians did not reduce, and it was from these that they struck on 19 November 1942. In Operation Uranus, two Soviet fronts punched through the Romanian lines and converged at Kalach on 23 November, trapping 300,000 Axis troops behind them. A simultaneous offensive on the Rzhev sector known as Operation Mars was supposed to advance to Smolensk, but was a failure, with German tactical flair winning the day.
The Germans rushed to transfer troops to Russia for a desperate attempt to relieve Stalingrad, but the offensive could not get going until 12 December, by which time the 6th Army in Stalingrad was starving and too weak to break out towards it. Operation Winter Storm, with three transferred panzer divisions, got going briskly from Kotelnikovo towards the Aksai river but became bogged down 40 miles short of its goal. To divert the rescue attempt the Soviets decided to smash the Italians and come down behind the relief attempt if they could, that operation starting on 16 December. What it did accomplish was to destroy many of the aircraft that had been transporting relief supplies to Stalingrad. The fairly limited scope of the Soviet offensive, although still eventually targeted on Rostov, also allowed Hitler time to see sense and pull Army Group A out of the Caucasus and back over the Don.
On 31 January 1943, the 90,000 survivors of the 300,000-man 6th Army surrendered. By that time the Hungarian 2nd Army had also been wiped out. The Soviets advanced from the Don 300 miles to the west of Stalingrad, marching through Kursk (retaken on 8 February 1943) and Kharkov (retaken 16 February 1943). In order to save the position in the south, the Germans decided to abandon the Rzhev salient in February, freeing enough troops to make a successful riposte in eastern Ukraine. Manstein's counteroffensive, strengthened by a specially trained SS panzer corps equipped with Tiger tanks, opened on 20 February 1943, and fought its way from Poltava back into Kharkov in the third week of March, upon which the spring thaw intervened. This had left a glaring bulge in the front centered on Kursk.
The Air War:
The easy successes the Luftwaffe enjoyed during the beginning of Operation Barbarossa are over. The Russians now have more than I-153s, I-16s, and LaGG-3s to throw at the Hitler's Eagles.
Lend Lease aircraft from the USA and UK are beginning to make their presence felt on the Luftwaffe. New Russian aircraft such as the Yak-9 and LA-5 are on an equal footing with the best German aircraft. The Russian pilots that were crafty enough to survive the initial onslaught are now seasoned warriors and are passing their knowledge on to a new generation of Soviet Fighter Pilots.
Objectives:
During this part of the war the Germans were in decline and the Soviets were gaining momentum. This is the time where the strength of both sides is comparably
equal. This is the moment that decides who will be the aggressor and who will be the prey for the next two years of war. Victory conditions for both sides in this setup will be controling no less than 5 cities but no more than 6. If each side controls 4 cities or if one side controls more than 6 cities the outcome will be scored a draw. Victory will be determined Thursday night July 29th at 11:00 PM EST and will be based on the formula above.
Germany= Rooks
Bf-109F
Bf-109G2
BF-110G
FW-190A5
JU-87
JU-88
C-47
Pnzr Mk IV
SDKFZ-251
Wirblwind
Soviet Union= Knights
Boston III
IL-2
I-16
P-39D
P-40B (Lagg-3 Sub)
P-40E
HurriIIC
LA-5N
Yak-9T
C-47
T-34/76
M-16
M-3
M-8
Map= Rhinewin
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Yeah baby! :rock
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Awesome time to go skiing! :cheers:
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Awesome...
I will get my squad in here for squad nights for sure. Love these setups :cheers:
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I'm there :aok
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This one is loaded in the arena now.
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Sweet. A chance to fly the I16 without it useing half its fuel capacity just to get off the ground.
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Cobra for me thanks :aok
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Cobra for me thanks :aok
Be ready to play keep up. I flew it tonight and only had success when I was able to sneak up on somebody. The 109 shoots away in the vert and the 190 just shoots away. It's fun but humbling.
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Be ready to play keep up. I flew it tonight and only had success when I was able to sneak up on somebody. The 109 shoots away in the vert and the 190 just shoots away. It's fun but humbling.
Dude. Learn the La5, it dominates this setup.
Most excellent fights tonite.
- oldman
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I always feel somewhat guily in flying the lala's in vvs setups... but then the f4 and g2 amd a5 aall can really compete. The yaks can be a pain. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of american iron in the air as many are not truly familar with the vvs planes. The p39d looks fun.
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Dude. Learn the La5, it dominates this setup.
Most excellent fights tonite.
- oldman
Eh, shot down 2 LA's in an f4 last night no problem.
The biggest plane in this setup that gives me a hard time are the p39s simply because i ether never see them, or never pay attention to them. had 3 of them sneak up on my 6 last night. shot down by 1.
Btw, whats the troop amount needed to take bases in this setup?
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Btw, whats the troop amount needed to take bases in this setup?
Ooops, forgot to ask Shifty how he wanted this setting.
Right now it's standard, but that could change if we start having a lot of undefended, empty arena, milk running.
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Big map. I'm leaving troop capture at 10 unless a couple of our favorite Milk Men start up with thier usual antics.
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Sad thing about this setup(like most otherS) is that most people are too concerned with furballing than actually going for the objectives. :(
Btw chilli, nice try on that P39 HO attempt. better luck next time :aok :salute
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Sad thing about this setup(like most otherS) is that most people are too concerned with furballing than actually going for the objectives. :(
Btw chilli, nice try on that P39 HO attempt. better luck next time :aok :salute
Actually the sad thing is people are too concerned about other people's game play when they should worry about thier own.
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Actually the sad thing is people are too concerned about other people's game play when they should worry about thier own.
Please inform me what the reason would be to fly in the AvA if all everybody is going to do is furball between 2 baseS? If i wished for that i could just join the Dueling arena.
No, the sad thing is everyone just wants to shoot eachother down instead of attempting to complete the AvA objectives. Really drains the life out of any reason to go in there, when i can find a furball in bigger places.
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Look, all we can do is list some objectives for those who would like to try them.
Should you get a group together to try to take some objectives, you would likely get a good battle going.
The mission creator works in AvA too.
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Look, all we can do is list some objectives for those who would like to try them.
Should you get a group together to try to take some objectives, you would likely get a good battle going.
The mission creator works in AvA too.
When i posted my question earlier about troops, it was because i was on earlier. I was thinking about taking That vbase since i was the only one in there but then i saw your changing setup comments if there were too many milk runners.
If i was to get a group together to take a base, it would just be the definition of those undefended milk-runners you described. Then you will change the settings, and the arena will become even more screwed up for the objective-style people and be in more favor for the furballers.
Also, you guys are the AvA staff, yet from the past 2 nights of being in the AvA, you guys have been part of the reasons that the fur balling begins.
Dont take what im saying as an personal insult towards you guys, cus its not. i like the work you guys put into the arenas.
Just,Lead By Example you know? it doesn't really encourage objective-style playing when you have the actual AvA staff doing nothing but furballing as well.
If you guys HAVE attempted the objectives, then i apologize for whats said, im only speaking about what i have noticed myself.
:salute
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If people want to furball, they will furball. Can't tell someone how they can or cannot play, because it is their $14.95.
Honestly, I love all aspects of the AvA. The little furball we had going last night was a ton of fun, and hopefully it will happen again. Sure, I love the immersion of objective gameplay, but there are special events for that, and I will go into the AvA to furball. Battle of Britain for instance, more than half the fun in those setups are channel furballs.
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If i was to get a group together to take a base, it would just be the definition of those undefended milk-runners you described. Then you will change the settings, and the arena will become even more screwed up for the objective-style people and be in more favor for the furballers.
If you have 5 guys on with even 3 on the other side, I don't consider that milkrunning.
The milk runners we are referring to are those who run the bases against no chance of opposition, in the early morning hours and such.
About the most we would do is make it require more than one load of troops and perhaps adjust down times so a guy cant go in the arena by himself, deack, bail and then bring troops in for a capture.
It's just common sense that we don't want all the objectives unfairly taken during the wee hours, then the game play is screwed for everyone else during prime time hours.
Though I'm not sure what satisfaction you would get out of taking bases while alone in the arena, go ahead and take one, then switch sides and take it back.
Rinse and repeat til you get some opposition and then you have started a real battle :aok
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Just so Tyrannis gets it right. I am not a staff member. I do recall pulling up to go HO in the P39D. I also recall having a great time with the furball action going with Tyrannis in the middle of it. I got my share of kills in the thing, and as I recall none of those were Head On.
I don't recall what planes I was going against but, I consider it a challenge fighting disadvantaged at times. As I am not by any stretch of imagination an uber cartoon pilot. If I am set up in a fail situation, I will go offensive if I have any chance. I hope to be back in for that setup this week.
I even went and downloaded a couple of P39 skins for it.
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Please inform me what the reason would be to fly in the AvA if all everybody is going to do is furball between 2 baseS? If i wished for that i could just join the Dueling arena.
No, the sad thing is everyone just wants to shoot eachother down instead of attempting to complete the AvA objectives. Really drains the life out of any reason to go in there, when i can find a furball in bigger places.
Nobody is stopping you from going after objectives. Or is it something you just want to do when the arena is empty? Friday night you were furballing like everyone else. Yes if you and a few guys go into the arena when it's empty and run the map while nobody is there to defend against it that's considered milk running in just about anybodies book. However I wrote the victory conditions for this setup so if people come in and milkrun they can only go so far with it before it has an adverse effect for thier side. As far as furballing staff members... We're free to fly just like anybody else if we want to furball that's our business. Unless of course you're willing to pay our monthly fees. The fact is we try very hard to come up with setups that appeal to the WWII history buff, the furballer, the mud movers, the base takers and the GV guys. We put as much consideration as possible into making it fun for all these guys in hopes of populating the arena.
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:aok Shifty :salute
I guess there were too many good responses to this great setup. Not enough drama for Tyrannis :cool:
Shifty, from the time that I was there I saw nothing preventing anyone from doing exactly as you said. The objectives work fine, and no one was forced to do anything. In fact, a player was discussing how he chose to turn his enemy icons off, even though he knew his enemy would be able to see his icon. Shane commented on how he was able to use his preference while others were able to use their preference to having icons on.
Must see Soviet Archive video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related)
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:aok Shifty :salute
I guess there were too many good responses to this great setup. Not enough drama for Tyrannis :cool:
Shifty, from the time that I was there I saw nothing preventing anyone from doing exactly as you said. The objectives work fine, and no one was forced to do anything. In fact, a player was discussing how he chose to turn his enemy icons off, even though he knew his enemy would be able to see his icon. Shane commented on how he was able to use his preference while others were able to use their preference to having icons on.
Must see Soviet Archive video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related)
It's hard to make everybody happy. Heck you can't do it in the MA. I guess my point is we're trying to give everybody a little bit of every tool to have fun with. It's up to individuals to seek the style they like. We are certainly not trying to stop anybodies fun. I'm not trying to pick on Tyrannis, just trying to make the point that he should seek his fun and leave others to seek theirs. I'm freakin bummed I can't fly this weekend my graphics card took a dump Friday. I can find any tractor part I want in this town but I have to order a graphics card. :rolleyes:
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It's hard to make everybody happy. Heck you can't do it in the MA. I guess my point is we're trying to give everybody a little bit of every tool to have fun with. It's up to individuals to seek the style they like. We are certainly not trying to stop anybodies fun. I'm not trying to pick on Tyrannis, just trying to make the point that he should seek his fun and leave others to seek theirs. I'm freakin bummed I can't fly this weekend my graphics card took a dump Friday. I can find any tractor part I want in this town but I have to order a graphics card. :rolleyes:
Nor should you try to make everybody happy. You staff guys do a great job of making these weekly setups different and interesting.....ya I know someone will disagree. Such is the way of aviation and those who chose to participate. If there isn't someone complaining, something is seriously wrong. If you are achieving a soft majority, good enough. :aok
Tractor parts, eh? Well, now I know who to call next time the old girl breaks down.
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Ya know I had a great philosophical post written out but deleted it.
From now on I'm just going to try to kill the red guy by any means possible.
Short icons, no icons, objectives, no objectives, furballs, gv's (okay that's a stretch), what the $#@# ever, if I can get you in my sights I'm going to fire.
Granted I haven't been flying much lately but in all seriousness the female dogging has gone from the brink of whining into the abyss.
The AVA and every online game that puts you in competition with other players is always going to be a challenge to learn, adapt, and overcome.
If you can live with that then rock on. If you can't there are a ton of crochet websites and USA has some pretty dang good shows.
Shut up and fight for the love of whatever.
Sheesh...
*storms out*
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:lol Dichodog :salute
Wait a minute man you dropped an earring. I love it when you get mad and swing dat purse :D Your so dem sexy when your defending my beloved arena...... :aok
Really, only one guy asking why?? The rest seam to love what these guys have been cooking up. Maybe Tyrannis was actually just trying to stir some stink on me for trying to get a HO shot as he was diving at me. I am not sure if he thought I was a staff member or not, but I primarily answered to make that point clear that I am not a staff member. Actually, I believe that Tyrannis was having a good time in the arena and his post didn't accurately reflect that.
When I am more rested, I may attempt to rally some help and dive into the objective battle. It does seem fitting.
Did anyone check out that archive film?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related)
Quiz if you did:
Why was the Yak 9DD called the flying tank???
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great work... :aok
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:lol Dichodog :salute
Wait a minute man you dropped an earring. I love it when you get mad and swing dat purse :D Your so dem sexy when your defending my beloved arena...... :aok
Really, only one guy asking why?? The rest seam to love what these guys have been cooking up. Maybe Tyrannis was actually just trying to stir some stink on me for trying to get a HO shot as he was diving at me. I am not sure if he thought I was a staff member or not, but I primarily answered to make that point clear that I am not a staff member. Actually, I believe that Tyrannis was having a good time in the arena and his post didn't accurately reflect that.
When I am more rested, I may attempt to rally some help and dive into the objective battle. It does seem fitting.
Did anyone check out that archive film?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC6yUFcoPY&feature=related)
Quiz if you did:
Why was the Yak 9DD called the flying tank???
there's $15.95 missing out of my purse sir. Don't make me fling a pair of stiletto's at your head :neener:
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Tyrannis seems to want a more strategic game in AvA.
He's not alone in that.
If we had a consistent population then we would never worry about milk running and porking, as there would always be enough people to choose their own style of game play and have opponents.
The best we can do is create the opportunity, but try to steer it to the evening prime time hours so that one or two people can't go in and roll the whole map when the arena is otherwise empty.
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Great map and planeset fellas! Wish I had more time to fly this one before you change it, but I'll be tied up most of this week.
I was looking around in awe when I got bounced by a Hurri and a LA5...LOL
:salute
Cheese
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I wish this setup would run for another week or two. The map is excellent, the weather is awesome and the setup is competitive!
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Ditto! Outstanding terrain, Ranger! :aok
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Yeah... the clouds, especially down low and in the hills made for some interesting fights, especially when occasionally disorientated (ala graveyard spiral) upon losing both visual and instrumental on the horizon while also performing acm.
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Arena got hosed and was screwed up for Wednesday night.
Some changes were made in the new version that I had to figure out before I could fix it.
The arena is set back to the last known status with the allies winning.
If the Axis doesn't want to accept defeat better start capturing some cities.
NOTE:
If there are any patches tomorrow, arena will likely get scrambled again and might not be fixed until a new setup is loaded Friday.
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I wish this setup would run for another week or two. The map is excellent, the weather is awesome and the setup is competitive!
Agreed! :aok
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I wish this setup would run for another week or two. The map is excellent, the weather is awesome and the setup is competitive!
The setups are generally competitive. The AvA is one arena that is great for teaching a variety of rides *in a competitive* setup. It allows you to push the edge of the envelopes that's not quite as punitive as in the MA with mismatched planes. This then can transfer over to the MA, where you're able to better utilize whatever ride it is vs whatever you encounter.