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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ozrocker on July 23, 2011, 12:54:21 PM
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Not a fan, but still sad. Only 27
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43866337?gt1=43001
:cheers: Oz
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wonder when the people of this forum come in and say it was good she died. :rolleyes:
RIP Amy
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Back to Black is an excellent album, shame she wasted her talents & eventually her life
Tronsky
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wonder when the people of this forum come in and say it was good she died. :rolleyes:
RIP Amy
There are people all over my Facebook page saying it was good.
It's sad, have some respect guys
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They tried to make her go to Rehab but, she said "No No No"
jk it is sad just proves money cant buy you happiness
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really sad news :frown:
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Its never good when a talented person dies but is anyone really surprised she did.
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Not surprised at all. That kind of life style will catch up with a person after time.
Still sad though.
Coogan
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It happened to an University of Oklahoma footplayer a few months ago. They say with the new pain pill and sleeping pills. You won't wake up.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/07/oklahoma-austin-box-autopsy-drugs/1
Rash
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that's what she wanted and she got it.
semp
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It was always sad she was sucked into that lifestyle.
It is sad that she died so young.
It was also sad that CNN likened her to Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrex, and Jim Morrison because they all died at the age of 27. I don't want to be insensitive about it, but death at an early age does not automatically make you a legend.
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:(
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In my opinion, she was very talented and had a great voice. Legend status? Probably not, but she did have the potential.
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jk it is sad just proves money cant buy you happiness
It does? To me it proves that drug addiction kills and is incredibly difficult to deal with for some people. Very tragic for a 27 year old to die like this. R.I.P.
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She had a good sound. Wow 27 years old and burned out. Sad..............
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Does it suck she died at young age? Of course. However, it was only matter of time when I was going to happen. Hopefully her death was not in vain, and people will understand the dangers more of drug use and heavy drinking.
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She died doing what she loved. :devil
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Amy welcome to the 27 club!
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They tried to make her go to Rehab but, she said "No No No"
Now that's funny!
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Someone murdered her, and I bet it was doctor.
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Is there anybody actually surprised? I think even her Father said he had prepared her eulogy already. Even he wasn't surprised. Some people kill themselves in one moment of despair others take years about it.
From speaking to several survivors of suicide attempts, a common theme is that many of think that some how or other they'll still be around to see the results. But you'll still be dead next week, next year, ten years from now. Bad as your life might be being dead is no solution.
Sad really.
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She died doing what she loved. :devil
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Sad to hear, but as others have said, not suprising.
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Why can't these people get theirselves together and lay off the dope! I thought she had a awesome voice but was crazier then a chithouse rat. I seen this coming the first time I laid eyes on her. Hate to see her go and God rest her soul.
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Not a fan but still sad when people try so hard to go before their time.
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We're all born to die
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We're all born to die
Not all.... Some are Born To Be Wild........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbATaj7Il8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbATaj7Il8)
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Another dead junky. Here's your Darwin award.
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Another dead junky. Here's your Darwin award.
:rofl :rofl :rofl isn't that right!
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Amy welcome to the 27 club!
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Janice Joplin 27
Jimi Hendrix 27
Kurt Cobain 27
Linsey Lohan is 25....
wrongway
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Janice Joplin 27
Jimi Hendrix 27
Kurt Cobain 27
Linsey Lohan is 25....
wrongway
Sorry to hijack the topic here, but growing up listening to music from the grunge and post-grunge rock era, I think Kurt Cobain's case is nothing less than total tragedy :(
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I very much wish that some angel could have whispered in her ear in 2002 and showed her what she would look like in June of 2011 if she allowed herself to fall to the lure of drugs. Sad, those who have made snarky comments. It could have been your friend or relative on the slab.
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^^ This.
Rest in peace beautiful, sing to the angels. ;)
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A fool and his (her) money are soon partying
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Janice Joplin 27
Jimi Hendrix 27
Kurt Cobain 27
Linsey Lohan is 25....
wrongway
You forgot Morrison!
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I feel sorry for Amy.
Very easy to say "just quit the dope".
For most of us that is just what we do but I have friends who died from cocaine and heroin addictions. Smart talented people who just could not say no.
I bet many of you have friends lost to a drug.
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I liked Cobain's music. I like Eurotrashqueen's music too.
Both of them had ways to get help and the means to get it. They didn't want it.
Layne Staley got eaten up by ants and was older than 27, but he was great too. What does that mean? Oh no, I better load another bowl man. It's all so weird and stuff, man.
This whole 27 crap is just that. If you think their is some kind of magic relation to an age and talent then you need to follow your leaders and make sure, for our sake, that you don't reproduce before you go out gloriously like this lady...
Instead of showing her when she was able to be propped up, they ought to show this when talking about her death.
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/38589.jpg)
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Both of them had ways to get help and the means to get it. They didn't want it.
Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem. It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.
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What kind of drugs was she on?!!!?
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What kind of drugs was she on?!!!?
It would be a shorter list if you only mentioned the drugs she wasn't on.
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Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem. It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.
It's not necessarily a case of "not wanting to get help," or even being in denial. Sometimes, addiction just makes the better argument in your head long enough to make you falter. You can try to fight it and reason with it, but it knows how to push your buttons and defeat you. Just look at how many people "quit quitting smoking." I'd imagine many, and perhaps most, aren't in denial about their situation, but can't effectively fight it and hate themselves for it.
I just celebrated 7 months of being off nicotine after 10 years of chain smoking (up to 2 packs a day when I quit). I finally threw the habit cold turkey, but the cruel games my mind played on me during the time were almost unbearable. My addiction got the better of me for years and dozens of attempts at quitting before I finally broke free. Even now it still tries to get the better of me from time to time.
Nicotine is usually regarded as a fairly tough habit to break, but even it must pale in comparison to some other drugs. I can only imagine what a heroin or meth addict goes through, but I'd bet the psychological battle is 9/10ths of the ordeal. Your mind keeps trying to turn you long after the physical withdrawal is over...
My heart goes out to her and her loved ones. She is another senseless casualty in this terrible war on drugs. I fear there will be millions more before we finally switch tactics.
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im 5 months smoke free. Nicotine is harder to quit than heroin, nicotine is the hardest drug to quit of them all, slap on the back Vudak.
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It's not necessarily a case of "not wanting to get help," or even being in denial. Sometimes, addiction just makes the better argument in your head long enough to make you falter. You can try to fight it and reason with it, but it knows how to push your buttons and defeat you. Just look at how many people "quit quitting smoking." I'd imagine many, and perhaps most, aren't in denial about their situation, but can't effectively fight it and hate themselves for it.
Yes Vudak, I completely agree, and I did not choose my words carefully enough. When I said "not wanting to get help", I should have elaborated as you did, in that, the mind tricks the user into coming up with elaborate justification for using and not needing help.
I feel that friends of users need to be more aggressive with them in getting them help, because even if the user says he does not want help and refuses to help himself, it's not really him talking, but the drug that has cast a thick fog over his judgment.
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I feel that friends of users need to be more aggressive with them in getting them help, because even if the user says he does not want help and refuses to help himself, it's not really him talking, but the drug that has cast a thick fog over his judgment.
The sad fact is that it is absurdly difficult to get someone help even when they declare to want it. I will never forgive or forget the ridiculous nature of the red tape my State forced me to go through to help a friend. Long story short, he struggled a few days to kick heroin on his own. Because it was (understandably) extremely hard, he wanted to go to rehab to get some professional help. They would not take him until he went to Detox. Since he had struggled on his own for a few days, the level of the drug in his system was insufficient for detox to hate him. Our only recourse was to take him to Hartford to buy drugs and shoot up.
The saddest part? A few years earlier, his mother was forced to "help" him through the same process.
I do not care what anyone's position is on drugs, this right here is absolutely retarded.
And Batfink, slap right back :) Though I'm not sure about the whole nicotine/heroin thing. I've heard that myself, but then again, I've never had a woman offer me any sexual favors to buy her a pack of smokes! :O (Give it a few more rounds of government taxing, and that might change ;) ).
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I believe that is because smack is alot harder to come by without money, where as a ciggarette is easy to borrow 20 times a day if you ask enough people.
I had been a serious addict of cannabis for over ten years in my past, to the point of near physical self destruction. Not any more, I gave up once, for 6 months, started again then quit fully and am now clean for life. I also have experiences with alcoholism and other addiction in my family. So while I don't claim to be an expert I certainly am talking from the personal side of the coin and not the judgemental outside viewpoint.
There are three types of addicts in my extended philosophies on the subject.
There are those who tell themself they are addicted but then convince themself they will quit tomorrow every day and then fail for another day. Always pushing the limits of their mental and physical endurance because they know that one day they plan to give up and lose the dependancy. This is a dangerous game because often this type of addict will push too far and one of two things will happen. One, they get so sick that they scare themself into instant cold turkey. Two, they get so sick that they sadly cannot handle it and they close their eyes and give up. This type of addict is usualy too smart to be an addict but too addictive in personality to give up before things become really desperate. It doesn't really matter what toxin they become addicted to because it is mostly a habit or routine addiction, a lifestyle for them, it defines who they are and often they don't see it as a negative characteristic untill it's almost too late.
There are the addicts who cannot stand their life so much that they intoxicate into early death. Psychological trauma or long term physical pain can be the kind of catalysts that set the downward spiral in motion. They are also often the kind of addicts who know they have a problem but they do not even pretend to want to reform. They are on the downward slope and will find it much harder to get off without forced abtinence or exceptional will power.
There are thirdly the addicts who refuse to belive they are addics. They are surprisingly the least affected physicaly because they refuse to accept the damage they are doing to their body. The placebo makes a huge difference. They are addicted in a totaly physcial sense, usualy to the more addictive substances; worst of all alcohol or prescription/over the counter drugs. The reason these are the worst is because socialy they carry the least negative energy. Everybody drinks, right? Everyone takes sleeping pills sometimes, right? This type of addict is the most healthy but potentialy the most dangerous to themself and others due to the pure ignorance of what they are poisoning themself with daily.
There are obviously other types of addicts, adrenalin for one obvious example, excersise for another. But I believe in basic format we can break down substance addicts into one or more of those three catagories the majority of the time. Amy Winehouse was the second type. she was very unhappy and she commited suicide without really accepting that she was doing it.
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Unfortunately, that in itself is part of the disease, not wanting to get help, or being in complete denial about their problem. It's definitely a struggle in an addicts brain where things simply do not make sense like they do to anyone watching the self destruction from the outside.
:aok The more intelligent a person is, often the harder it is for them to quit. This is mainly because they spend most of their mental energy rationalizing their behavior and building mental walls to reinforce their denial of addiction. To compound the problem, when a person becomes chemically addicted (as supposed to psychologically addicted), their brain chemistry is altered to a point where their bodies do not mfg the hormone that the drug simulates, thus making the person dependent on it for chemical mental stability.
Its easy to say stop, much harder to accomplish (esp if a chemical dependency develops).
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Instead of showing her when she was able to be propped up, they ought to show this when talking about her death.
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/38589.jpg)
+1 I agree
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I had been a serious addict of cannabis for over ten years in my past,
:lol :lol That Bob Saget line from "Half Baked" comes to mind.
Serious cannabis addict... :lol :lol :lol Gimme a break. :lol :lol :lol
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Serious cannabis addict... :lol :lol :lol Gimme a break. :lol :lol :lol
So you dont think you can be addicted to cannabis? I hate to tell you this but you can become addicted to almost anything if you get the proper neuroresponse.
I'm a longterm user of morphine,I have a severe pain problem,neropathic pain and I can support the mechanics statement that nicotine can be harder to quit than any opioid. I dont consider myself addicted to morphine,but I am dependant on it and if I dont take it I get very sick! Over the past 20 years I've quit taking the morphine several times to see if I could get by without it,I've never been successful in quitting smoking,even though I know it's the right thing to do.
Addiction is a difficult topic,I wont go on anymore as this isnt the time or place. However the 27 club comment I made was to point out how sad things are in this world,we treat these people like criminals when they need to be treated as sick people,but hey there's no money in that!!
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im 5 months smoke free. Nicotine is harder to quit than heroin, nicotine is the hardest drug to quit of them all, slap on the back Vudak.
Nice, keep it up forever. :rock
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So you dont think you can be addicted to cannabis? I hate to tell you this but you can become addicted to almost anything if you get the proper neuroresponse.
Please post some scientific evidence that one can become addicted to cannabis. Be forewarned that I will then find an equal amount of scientific proof to the contrary.
My guess is that our boy mechanic was probably a bit wet behind the ears at the time and what he perceived as an "addiction" was nothing more than a bad case of the "gimmie gimmies".
Anyway, to stay on topic, too bad about the Winehouse broad but nobody can say they were shocked. IMHO she wasn't a very good musician (one hit wonder comes to mind) however, nobody deserves to crash and burn like that. Well, almost nobody.
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Well Melvin I guess it comes down to your definition of addiction,there are basically 2 kinds physical and psychological. While there is little evidence that cannabis is physically addictive there is plenty to support the psychological side of it.
As I've said I wont debate this here and your intitled to your opinion on this subject.
I'll leave you with this question to ponder..... Is coffee addictive? your answer to this question whether ya or nay would be your opinion and the same answer to the cannabis issue.
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Glad to see our country is more worried about a horrible singer that died from doing drugs, then they are of 80 kids being killed by a crazy man dressed up in a police outfit...
-BigBOBCH
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Glad to see our country is more worried about a horrible singer that died from doing drugs, then they are of 80 kids being killed by a crazy man dressed up in a police outfit...
-BigBOBCH
Why do you assume that sir?
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Glad to see our country is more worried about a horrible singer that died from doing drugs, then they are of 80 kids being killed by a crazy man dressed up in a police outfit...
-BigBOBCH
I'm pretty sure that no one person on the AH BBS speaks for the United States of America.
I know they sure as hell don't speak for me.
Coogan
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27 years old.... The Golden Age of Death for celebs.......... :(
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Please post some scientific evidence that one can become addicted to cannabis. Be forewarned that I will then find an equal amount of scientific proof to the contrary.
My guess is that our boy mechanic was probably a bit wet behind the ears at the time and what he perceived as an "addiction" was nothing more than a bad case of the "gimmie gimmies".
You have alot to learn.
edit: I was going to send this respectfully via PM but I figure this thread is a valid palce to debate this. I will read your replies if you do reply as unbiased as I can, though I assure you I wont change my views. Which in itself is ironic because I started out with exactly the same views as you display here.
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Hey Melvin, just curious as to how long for and how often you have smoked weed. Don't think I am about to preach to you about quitting, hah! Anything but that. I wish I could still smoke it, I love the stuff. Love it way too much. You know you are addicted to something when you do it everyday as your priority, before looking after your health, your happines, your future. You know you are addicted when you smoke a joint as soon as you wake up then sit in a computer chair for hours all day smoking more and more joints. You know you are an addict when you have a brief window of clarity before you smoke the first joint of the morning and intantly regret it, day after day, but carry on doing it. You know you are an addict when you visibly see and feel your body falling apart due to your habit but carry on anyhow. I could keep listing many things that made me know I was an addict and believe me, over ten years of this behaviour utterly destroys even my young body. Right now I am 28, one year past that which Amy Winehouse died. I'm not wet behind the ears. I gave up finaly 5 months ago from now.
Now I wish I could smoke the odd doobie and have a laugh, like the early days 15 years ago, but those days ended for me 10 years ago. I wish I could enjoy a ciggy also, with a coffee or after a meal. But I can't bec ause I have pushed both those indulgences far beyond any safe level and to even smoke a tiny bit will ultimately start me sliding back down to constant stoned and/or 20 a day ciggys.
You are right physicaly, because giving up the weed was far far easier than giving up the nicotine. I spent 3 or 4 weeks desperately needing a ciggy after I quit. I didnt use patches or gum or any aid, I just stopped after smoking for nearly 2/3 of my life. It was utter hell and I fought with every once of my will power to not smoke a cig untill the physical addiction became a much easier to defeat psychological and routine addiction. With the weed it was the routine addiciton from the start, just a mild nagging thought at the back of my mind, no physical cravings at all. It's still there now, but it is simple to defeat.
Psychologicaly I knew I was smoking too much weed 10 years ago but I carried on for that whole decade, every single day, telling myself I would sort it out tomorrow. Psychologicaly I utterly addicted and to tell me I was not is pure ignorance.
I probably could have gone on for another few years or I may well have gone pop withing a few more weeks. I will never know now. But after 5 months of quiting I am feeling the terrible effects still of my body trying to clear out the decade of abuse I gave it.
Why do I bother typing this to you? I don't know. Perhaps it annoys me that you pass of my experience as 'wet behind the ears gimme gimme' or some such. Perhaps as a warning to keep things in moderation if you want to enjoy them. Perhaps as an argument for why you are wrong to say smoking da 'erb is not addictive. It was a way of life for me for half my life, something I love that changed me for the better and will never leave me now. But it is something that if I continued at my rate would have killed me before I wanted to die.
Scientific chemistry has nothing to do with it. You can be addicted to throwing paper aeroplanes psycologicaly.
Much respect to you for having an opposing viewpoint and voicing it, albeit a stereotypical one that has been hashed out near infinite ammounts of times before this, if you would excuse the pun. I still think you have alot to learn about addictions. I can assume you are a person who does not have an addictive personality.
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After the cancellation of her last tour when she performed drunk and wasted on stage and getting out of detox, this is not a surprising, though regrettable, outcome. I never say RIP to people who commit suicide however because they actually don't. This is just an example of how people who get rich and famous, then lose everything and start looking like everybody else - unknown and unnoticed - that they can't handle being human instead of a puppet planting threes that grow money as fruits.
Harsh I know, don't sue me.
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I'm pretty sure that no one person on the AH BBS speaks for the United States of America.
I know they sure as hell don't speak for me.
Coogan
Not referring to people on forums, I mean the news...all you see is this stuff about her. I could care less, she wants to kill herself on drugs, sucks for her. Its been all over the news today.
-BigBOBCH
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Not referring to people on forums, I mean the news...all you see is this stuff about her. I could care less, she wants to kill herself on drugs, sucks for her. Its been all over the news today.
-BigBOBCH
My apologies for taking that wrong. Yeah, I believe they could have reported the story about her and then left it alone.
Coogan
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On the bright side, congratulations to Amy Winehouse on three days of sobriety. :rock
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Please post some scientific evidence that one can become addicted to cannabis. Be forewarned that I will then find an equal amount of scientific proof to the contrary.
Just walk away from Aces High and every other video game forever. They're not good for you, after all, so just walk away and quit. You'll save money, and have a healthier lifestyle.
Now, when your mind first starts to formulate a host of reasons why you shouldn't quit, or even if you do quit for a time, but then your mind starts chipping away at you and you eventually cave in and play, then you might have a better idea of how something like cannabis can be addictive.
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I very much wish that some angel could have whispered in her ear in 2002 and showed her what she would look like in June of 2011 if she allowed herself to fall to the lure of drugs. Sad, those who have made snarky comments. It could have been your friend or relative on the slab.
It is not the drugs fault. She made the choice to take them. Same with alcohol.....
Folks like to blame those but in the end it was the person's own choice.
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It is not the drugs fault. She made the choice to take them. Same with alcohol.....
Folks like to blame those but in the end it was the person's own choice.
I’m not looking to absolve her or anyone else from responsibility, and I also do not blame the drugs for her fate. You are correct, it was her choice, and she made a poor one. But where I’m from, that’s called a mistake, and I’m pretty sure we’ve all made at least one big one. That shouldn’t be grounds to throw a person from the city gates, as we do with drug addicts today.
It’s also a kid’s choice to go play in some unknown woods, peek into a well, or swim into a current. Sometimes they can get into a heap of trouble doing so. We might say, “Well, that was their choice, and their fault,” but who but the most monstrous wouldn’t run to help, anyway? Isn’t turning your back on a person struggling with addiction just the same as passively watching a child struggle in the water? They need help, and if they only find cold shoulders, they will die. Their choice or not, what happens next is yours.
Further, supporting the current tactics of the War on Drugs is about as absurd an economic position as you can possibly find and from a purely miserly, practical standpoint, this pointless war should be ended as soon as possible. Unless you’re a member of a police union or law school, there is absolutely no way you can come out ahead.
Criminalization and jailing are economically disastrous in almost every sense of the word. Not only must you pay more money to jail a person than you ever would to send them to rehab, but you’re also in effect throwing away a decade or more of paid public schooling. The moment they get the felon or convict moniker, their chances of ever contributing to society and repaying the favor plummet. Rather than “merely” throwing good money after bad, we throw bad money after good.
The only way it isn’t a personal economic disaster is if you rely on an artificially inflated demand in your line of work, as police officers, judges, and lawyers do. Prohibition is good business for crooks and crook catchers, and no one else. The community can only suffer on the whole.
This is a community problem and requires a community solution. If someone wants to get on their high horse, I suppose they’re entitled, but they can do so with the knowledge that they are contributing to the cycle of misery that is the War on Drugs. A person might “choose” to enter the hell of drug use, but our society does not have to gleefully choose to keep them there.
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You have alot to learn.
You know nothing about me so here's a quick history.
The Son of two alcoholics I spent a solid ten years at the bottom of a whiskey bottle. Decided to come up for air when the kids started appearing. :)
Acid, 'shrooms, coke, meth, weed, opium, hash, uppers, downers, all-arounders, done (and sometimes overdone) them all. :rock
I guess our basic communication breakdown here is due to the fact that you and I have different ideas about what constitutes an "addiction". When the weed causes you to black out, wake up in a pool of blood and vomit, shake so badly you can barely tie your boots because you are off to find more after you commit a felonious crime to support your habit, I would classify that as an "addiction".
Sorry mechanic, I don't want you to think that I'm trying to insult or disrespect you or your emotional struggle. It's just that, to me, tales of woe from an under-motivated stoner just don't cut it in the "addiction" arena.
I have so much to say about this subject from first hand experiences with addiction and the pain and suffering it causes that I'd be happy to hold a good convo via P.M.
As for Vudak, the comparison of video games is ridiculous at best. However, I found it a bit intriguing. :lol
Anyway, bummer about the Winehouse woman, but let's not forget that good people are biting the dust daily. Unfortunately they don't have record deals and will be forgotten. :bhead
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Sorry mechanic, I don't want you to think that I'm trying to insult or disrespect you or your emotional struggle. It's just that, to me, tales of woe from an under-motivated stoner just don't cut it in the "addiction" arena.
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Emotional struggle? Mine was purely physical, I was alot happier as a stoner. :lol
I nearly wrecked myself from inhaling too much smoke all day every day for a long period of time. If you don't accept that as an addiction, I am not going to bother trying to change your mind. I am also not going to publicly enter a drug check list competition with you.
I'm certainly not going to enter an addiction severity competition with you. I've said my piece in this thread and now I'm done. If you don't like it, thats up to you. I'm sorry if I don't 'cut it'.
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Emotional struggle? Mine was purely physical, I was alot happier as a stoner. :lol
I nearly wrecked myself from inhaling too much smoke all day every day for a long period of time. If you don't accept that as an addiction, I am not going to bother trying to change your mind. I am also not going to publicly enter a drug check list competition with you.
I'm certainly not going to enter an addiction severity competition with you. I've said my piece in this thread and now I'm done. If you don't like it, thats up to you. I'm sorry if I don't 'cut it'.
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Wow, I was just about to answer the P.M. you sent me, but I can see you'd rather spout off here for all to see.
My post wasn't meant in anyway to be a one-up upon yours, nor do I want to get into any sort of competition regarding such a serious matter.
My post was merely there to perhaps shed light into your cave-like mind that REAL, CONSUMING addiction devours good people and makes them do utterly awful things, and in many cases, die horrible deaths.
Sorry you smoked too much pot and played too many video games (or whatever it was you did on the computer).
I'm not going to sit here and do this---> :bhead with someone who is so self absorbed to see that his "addiction" was nothing more than a bad bout with the weed lifestyle.
EDIT: Sorry, "cave-like mind" was a stupid thing to say. I know that you're intelligent, perhaps that's why I'm a bit flabbergasted at what I see you post here.
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Sorry mechanic.
Just got a little bent out of shape is all.
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EDIT: Holy crap, 4 "sorry's" in 3 posts. I must be getting soft. :lol
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hehe not at all sir, my appologies too if I offended you with my opinions. We all must be getting soft.
Addiction is a touchy subject for many of us. It ruins families and ends lives in my personal experience.
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Sorry mechanic.
Just got a little bent out of shape is all.
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EDIT: Holy crap, 4 "sorry's" in 3 posts. I must be getting soft. :lol
Melvin,
atleast I know where your comming from with your previous comments! :aok I congradulate you on getting past your deamons and wish you well in the future.
I suppose from your point of view that you wouldnt consider coffee to be addictive and thats ok too,as you said it depends on your definition of addiction.
Now if I could only get off nicotine,I'd be a better man for it!
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At least she didn't teach school and manufacture meth.
I wonder if Walt White would have played Aces High during his tough times.
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It has already kind of been mentioned, but I'll throw my $.02 in. Marijuana is significantly less addictive than many other things (ie alcohol, nicotine, etc.). Meaning, for most people, it's harder to become addicted to it. However, it's absolutely possible to become addicted to anything that alters your brain's biochemistry when you take it. So while there are plenty of lazy potheads, there are people who are physically dependent and addicted to marijuana.
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So while there are plenty of lazy potheads, there are people who are physically dependent and addicted to marijuana.
I tend to agree with the first statement but the second part I find hard to believe,physically dependent,really I'd like to see evidents to support that!
Now as to the physiological side of addiction,that I believe,but the physical dependency part I dont buy for a second. Watch a person withdrawing from alcohol or opiates and you'll understand physical dependence,these poor people become violently sick and can even go into shock and die!
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I tend to agree with the first statement but the second part I find hard to believe,physically dependent,really I'd like to see evidents to support that!
Now as to the physiological side of addiction,that I believe,but the physical dependency part I dont buy for a second. Watch a person withdrawing from alcohol or opiates and you'll understand physical dependence,these poor people become violently sick and can even go into shock and die!
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The evidence is based around the knowledge of how substances effect the synapses in your brain. All those good things people like, food, sex, cocaine ( :noid), release a neurotransmitter called dopamine at the synapses. Dopamine is basically the "feel good neurotransmitter". You brain can become used to the high levels of dopamine and adapt so it stops absorbing such high levels of dopamine, basically trying to bring your brain back into balance. This is how tolerances are built up. Withdraw comes when your brain had adapted to such high levels of dopamine (and other neurotrasmitters, serotonin is a big player) and you suddenly stop what was causing the high release. This sudden stop of the high release at the presynaptic neuron, causes the levels of dopamine and seretonin to drop to drastically low levels; hence, withdraw symptoms.
Unfortunately, due to the archaic laws on marijuana, there is very little research on the substance. We do know that the release of THC into the system causes a change in your biochemistry (the high). Some argue marijuana releases dopamine, some say it doesn't, there really isn't a consensus on that subject that I'm aware of. However, altering that brain chemistry strong enough or long enough can create a situation where your brain adapts to having the THC in your system and stopping it can cause withdraw symptoms. This all varies greatly by the individual person.
Interestingly enough, parts of the brain actually have cannabinoid receptors. We have receptors built into our brain specifically for THC.
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That's one less wreck from the U.K. hmm...
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Jay,
I completely understand about neuroreseptors and the effects on the brain but that doesnt cause "physical" dependents.
You might want to read the lastest double blind study that was done in Canada on the use of cannabis and pain control! intersetingly enough we have reseptors for both cannabinoids and opiates in our brains but these dont cause the physical withdrawl symptoms.
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Either way, really interesting stuff. I'll have to look up that study.
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That's one less wreck from the U.K. hmm...
If she were an AH player, something tells me instead of flying the Spit variations, she would have preferred the late war 262 Swallows.
Thread win.
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If she were an AH player, something tells me instead of flying the Spit variations, she would have preferred the late war 262 Swallows.
Thread win.
Yup
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I’m not looking to absolve her or anyone else from responsibility, and I also do not blame the drugs for her fate. You are correct, it was her choice, and she made a poor one. But where I’m from, that’s called a mistake, and I’m pretty sure we’ve all made at least one big one. That shouldn’t be grounds to throw a person from the city gates, as we do with drug addicts today.
It’s also a kid’s choice to go play in some unknown woods, peek into a well, or swim into a current. Sometimes they can get into a heap of trouble doing so. We might say, “Well, that was their choice, and their fault,” but who but the most monstrous wouldn’t run to help, anyway? Isn’t turning your back on a person struggling with addiction just the same as passively watching a child struggle in the water? They need help, and if they only find cold shoulders, they will die. Their choice or not, what happens next is yours.
Further, supporting the current tactics of the War on Drugs is about as absurd an economic position as you can possibly find and from a purely miserly, practical standpoint, this pointless war should be ended as soon as possible. Unless you’re a member of a police union or law school, there is absolutely no way you can come out ahead.
Criminalization and jailing are economically disastrous in almost every sense of the word. Not only must you pay more money to jail a person than you ever would to send them to rehab, but you’re also in effect throwing away a decade or more of paid public schooling. The moment they get the felon or convict moniker, their chances of ever contributing to society and repaying the favor plummet. Rather than “merely” throwing good money after bad, we throw bad money after good.
The only way it isn’t a personal economic disaster is if you rely on an artificially inflated demand in your line of work, as police officers, judges, and lawyers do. Prohibition is good business for crooks and crook catchers, and no one else. The community can only suffer on the whole.
This is a community problem and requires a community solution. If someone wants to get on their high horse, I suppose they’re entitled, but they can do so with the knowledge that they are contributing to the cycle of misery that is the War on Drugs. A person might “choose” to enter the hell of drug use, but our society does not have to gleefully choose to keep them there.
Some mistakes are bigger than others. This is more of a bad choice when it is well documented what can happen when taking drugs.
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big congrats to Amy!! :x
she's managed over 48 hours without drink or drugs!
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Couldn't let this one go without this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swK-0UvqKBY&feature=fvst
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