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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on July 24, 2011, 05:19:48 PM
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didn't get to see it, although it'll be broadcast next week......but at the new jersey motorsports park thunderbolt raceway this weekend, ford has taken their 4th victory in the continental tire challenge.
this leaves us with bmw=3 wins, ford=4 wins, and chevy=2 wins. chevy hadn't won any of this series, till a couple of weeks ago, when an end of race full course caution kept the #61 boss302 from taking the leab back again.
the following weekend, the competitive ford teams were removed from contention due to wrecks(and an extended pit stop, putting one of them 15 laps down). this left only the bmw's to handle the chevys.....which they were unable to do.
the funny thing is that the winning teams crewchief was saying "see? it wasn't a fluke that we won last week!". but it was. sort of. the winning ford this weekend, started in 3rd, and took the lead on lap 15,,,,,,and held it for the rest of the race.
so....we had a ford on the pole, and a ford winning the race(2 different ones BTW) finish was ford/bmw/ford/bmw, till 8th where the only chevy in the top ten resided. in fact, it was the only one in the top twenty.
it was hot though. in cherry hill, where i work, about 45 miles from the track, it was about 100F outside......115F insdie the shop......i'd imagine that the tract temps were in the 130F to 150F range, so possibly the chevys couldn't take the heat. in more ways than one. :noid :neener:
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/Grand-Am-Announces-2011-Continental-Tire-Sports-Car-Challenge-SeasonGALLERY_LARGE1-439x252.jpg)
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is this an ameteur league?
i could probably drop a good 7K on my Mustang and make her race worthy.
do the engines need to be naturally-aspirated?
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Does Dodge run in the series?
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is this an ameteur league?
i could probably drop a good 7K on my Mustang and make her race worthy.
do the engines need to be naturally-aspirated?
this is the equivalent of what used to be the "trans am" series back in the 60's. it is by no means amateur.
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Does Dodge run in the series?
i thought i saw a challenger running a few weeks ago, but i'm not sure. the challenger is really too big, and heavy....it'd have a lot of trouble on most of these tracks.........
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i thought i saw a challenger running a few weeks ago, but i'm not sure. the challenger is really too big, and heavy....it'd have a lot of trouble on most of these tracks.........
why i asked haha. dodge makes em big and heavy
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why i asked haha. dodge makes em big and heavy
yea..i'd like to see them jump into the frey though. it would add to the fun of watching these races.
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if they could shave the weight they would be a good run for the mustangs. :rock
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Continental Tire Sports Car Festival Powered by Mazda
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Salinas, CA
Camaro > #1
best Mustang finish > #15 :devil
http://www.grand-am.com/schedule/results.cfm?series=k&eid=2378
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Continental Tire Sports Car Festival Powered by Mazda
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
Salinas, CA
Camaro > #1
best Mustang finish > #15 :devil
http://www.grand-am.com/schedule/results.cfm?series=k&eid=2378
yea, we already knew that. the competitave mustangs(jack roush jr, and multi-matic)were both eliminated. roushes car took a hit to the rear, causing a broken swaybar, which shredded the tire.
the multi-matic car was running the lead down, when he was taken out by another car, thus sealing the victory for the camaro. there was nothing capable of touching it besides those two stangs.
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And BMW leads the points. :devil
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And BMW leads the points. :devil
yep they do.
the big question, is can they hold that lead from ford for the last race? keeping chevy out of the spot is easy.....ford though.....whelp...for all of the blathering everyone does about how much better IRS is than a live axle.......well.....they're all afraid of the mustangs. :aok
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Corvette Racing won the GT class today at the Grand Prix of Mosport,
beating Ferrari, Porsche and BMW to score its ninth win on the legendary Canadian road course. Oliver Gavin and Jan Magnussen scored the team's first American Le Mans Series victory of the season with a 4.4 sec. margin of victory. Teammates Tommy Milner and Olivier Beretta finished 6th in the sister Corvette C6.R. Congratulations to Corvette Racing!
GE aka Frank - Just Sayin
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Corvette Racing won the GT class today at the Grand Prix of Mosport,
beating Ferrari, Porsche and BMW to score its ninth win on the legendary Canadian road course. Oliver Gavin and Jan Magnussen scored the team's first American Le Mans Series victory of the season with a 4.4 sec. margin of victory. Teammates Tommy Milner and Olivier Beretta finished 6th in the sister Corvette C6.R. Congratulations to Corvette Racing!
GE aka Frank - Just Sayin
:aok WTG
the corvettes, and camaros in the rolex series couldn't overcome the bmw's. :noid
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(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/5979112076_fefb702806_b.jpg)
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(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/5979112076_fefb702806_b.jpg)
thats yours :O
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Corvette Racing won the GT class today at the Grand Prix of Mosport,
beating Ferrari, Porsche and BMW to score its ninth win on the legendary Canadian road course. Oliver Gavin and Jan Magnussen scored the team's first American Le Mans Series victory of the season with a 4.4 sec. margin of victory. Teammates Tommy Milner and Olivier Beretta finished 6th in the sister Corvette C6.R. Congratulations to Corvette Racing!
GE aka Frank - Just Sayin
Shhhh, GE, let CAP keep talking about the Little League game. :D
We both saw the big boys run at Mosport, and hey, the Ford GTs did get some TV time in that race..... when the Vettes were lapping them. :lol
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Shhhh, GE, let CAP keep talking about the Little League game. :D
We both saw the big boys run at Mosport, and hey, the Ford GTs did get some TV time in that race..... when the Vettes were lapping them. :lol
may i ask... where were the Corvettes when the GT40's were spanking the Ferraris?
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may i ask... where were the Corvettes when the GT40's were spanking the Ferraris?
they were with their fluffers. :devil
trans am ain't little league....or maybe it is.
the point to it is, that it is a car that is very close to what you can walk into the showroom and buy. in the case of the mustangs, and i think the beemers, you CAN buy them right from the manufacturer, in race ready trim, and it'll be competitive, presuming that you've got a good driver, and a good team.
i guess i'll post this link again......
http://www.jcs-group.com/racin/aims/ford1.html
Bill Elliott's remarkable '85 season gained national attention and established Ford as a legitimate force in Winston Cup Racing. It was also the spark that brought more and more teams into the Ford fold in the coming years, which also led to Ford winning the NASCAR manufacturers' Championship in 1992 - it's first since 1969. In that same year Alan Kulwicki won Ford's second drivers' title of the SVO era. Ford cars won 20 of 31 Winston Cup races in 1994, locking up Ford's 11th NASCAR Manufacturers' Championship. By this time Ford was the leading race winner in the series' 45-year history, with a victory total of 431.
Greater success followed, as the new Taurus carried Dale Jarrett to his 1999 Winston Cup title, and won NASCAR Manufacturers' Championships for Ford in 1999 and 2000. Also in 2000, Jeff Burton drove a Taurus to the 500th win by a Ford car in the history of NASCAR's premier series. Ford was the first manufacturer to reach that milestone.
and this one.....
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9137
is F1 good enough for ya?
1994
* Ford introduces the Zetec R V8 Formula One engine. Michael Schumacher drives a Benetton-Ford to F1 World Championship, Ford’s first since 1982. Schumacher’s eight wins push Ford’s all-time F1 victory total to 174, higher than any other engine manufacturer in the history of F1 racing.
* Ford wins its 11th NASCAR Manufacturers’ Championship.
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Pride for 4(?) years of GT40 triumph out of over 100 years of racing, you gotta be kidding me. You do know that Senna died in 1994 right? BTW it was Cosworth but badged as a Ford.
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Pride for 4(?) years of GT40 triumph out of over 100 years of racing, you gotta be kidding me. You do know that Senna died in 1994 right?
it's not how long. ford wanted to beat them, and did. once the point's been proven..............
by the way......what exactly is the advantage of independent rear suspension again? over a live axle? 'cause whatever it is, it doesn't show as the mustangs go cruisin' on by the beemers and camaros. :devil
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it's not how long. ford wanted to beat them, and did. once the point's been proven..............
Doesnt work that way.
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by the way......what exactly is the advantage of independent rear suspension again? over a live axle? 'cause whatever it is, it doesn't show as the mustangs go cruisin' on by the beemers and camaros. :devil
Have you been drinking again Cap:)?
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Have you been drinking again Cap:)?
nope. i'd like to have it explained to me as to why a car with a "whacking big girder with tires on the ends" is out running the best bavaria and canada have to offer, both of which have the latest independent rear suspension in them....in the case of the canadian car, it's even got a bigger, more powerful engine. :devil
oh yea......i don't know why i haven't seen any dodges, 'cause i know they build cars for this.......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/908914.jpg)
and here's one for the chevy guys.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/boss.jpg)
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a proclaimed stock boss302, on drag radials. note the announcer calls out a 1.59 60 ft time. that's pretty dam good for a street car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I
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Like Ford always did, giant engine maybe:)? Little vague on models there Cap, could you provdie link please?
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a proclaimed stock boss302, on drag radials. note the announcer calls out a 1.59 60 ft time. that's pretty dam good for a street car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I
It truly is.
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Like Ford always did, giant engine maybe:)? Little vague on models there Cap, could you provdie link please?
models from which series?
and BTW.....what do you mean have I been drinking? if you recall, it wasn't me that didn't understand how/why air was/is allowed into the fuel tank of a modern automobile. :aok
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models from which series?
and BTW.....what do you mean have I been drinking? if you recall, it wasn't me that didn't understand how/why air was/is allowed into the fuel tank of a modern automobile. :aok
Oh yeah Ford got it right, lets all switch back to solid rear end :aok
It wasn't the point of argument.You said fuel pump is there for cooling, and i said its there for safety, there is no (not enough) oxygen to make fumes flamable. And then you manipulated argument into different direction:)
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Oh yeah Ford got it right, lets all switch back to solid rear end :aok
It wasn't the point of argument.You said fuel pump is there for cooling, and i said its there for safety, there is no (not enough) oxygen to make fumes flamable. And then you manipulated argument into different direction:)
you really wanna take any bets on that? there is plenty of air in there....you tried to claim there was no air in the tank. this is wrong. and if there's air in a half full tank, there's plenty to let fumes ignite.
and for the solid rear axle......well....it's working rather nicely, i'd say....wouldn't you?
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is F1 good enough for ya?
1994
* Ford introduces the Zetec R V8 Formula One engine. Michael Schumacher drives a Benetton-Ford to F1 World Championship, Ford’s first since 1982. Schumacher’s eight wins push Ford’s all-time F1 victory total to 174, higher than any other engine manufacturer in the history of F1 racing.
* Ford wins its 11th NASCAR Manufacturers’ Championship.
F1 is all i watch..but i havent seen a damn race in the past year and a half :cry didnt know Ford made engines for F1.
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NASCAR still uses "whacking big girder with tires on the ends".
I guess your are not old enough Cap to remember the aluminium GM engine that powered F1 cars?
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Pride for 4(?) years of GT40 triumph out of over 100 years of racing, you gotta be kidding me. You do know that Senna died in 1994 right? BTW it was Cosworth but badged as a Ford.
From 1998 to 2004, Ford owned Cosworth. Beyond that, Ford and Cosworth have shared a long history of co-engineering engines for anything that went into the Ford racing programs.
Back when Ford was winning Indy every year (before they dropped out of it), the engines were designed by the Ford racing team, but built at Cosworth, as Cosworth had better facilities for manufacturing to the tolerances needed in those engines.
Just FYI.
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F1 is all i watch..but i havent seen a damn race in the past year and a half :cry didnt know Ford made engines for F1.
neither did i till i read that page that i linked. i really thought they didn't do anything at all in F1.
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NASCAR still uses "whacking big girder with tires on the ends".
I guess your are not old enough Cap to remember the aluminium GM engine that powered F1 cars?
would that be the oldsmobile engine, which i think was something like the northstar engine?
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From 1998 to 2004, Ford owned Cosworth. Beyond that, Ford and Cosworth have shared a long history of co-engineering engines for anything that went into the Ford racing programs.
Back when Ford was winning Indy every year (before they dropped out of it), the engines were designed by the Ford racing team, but built at Cosworth, as Cosworth had better facilities for manufacturing to the tolerances needed in those engines.
Just FYI.
this i didn't realize either. funny how when one looks deeper into it, that this racing history seems to come up, eh?
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neither did i till i read that page that i linked. i really thought they didn't do anything at all in F1.
makes two, honestly, how do you think Ford would go about in F1 if they enetered, after a few years to get in the grove of things?
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makes two, honestly, how do you think Ford would go about in F1 if they enetered, after a few years to get in the grove of things?
honestly? judging by the past......they'll kick ass. it seems to me that when ford puts their mind to it, they take what they want, as far as winning races goes.
also......was it you asking about dodge running in the continental tire challenge? i had found a youtube video of them running at daytona earlier this year, although i've not seen them lately. i wonder if they're private teams, and just don't have the funding to run every race.......
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honestly? judging by the past......they'll kick ass. it seems to me that when ford puts their mind to it, they take what they want, as far as winning races goes.
theres a lot to put into one of those cars, it would be a while anda drain of funds before they started making back what they won.
also......was it you asking about dodge running in the continental tire challenge? i had found a youtube video of them running at daytona earlier this year, although i've not seen them lately. i wonder if they're private teams, and just don't have the funding to run every race.......
it was me indeed. post the links.
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Well .. the Vette's demoralized the GT-1 class so much that the Ferrari's and Aston Martin's refused to come play anymore.
It wasn't a 'race' at that point.
So they switched to GT-2, puttin smaller motors in their vettes ..and now it's 'a race' again without any sure bets.
At least until they get the new combination sorted out.
We all know why the Camaro isn't doin as well against the Mustang ..it's more than a bit heavier.
A lighter smaller car with equal horsepower will smoke the bigger heavier one every time.. drivers being relatively equal.
As for the IRS .. I know you know this but I will say it anyway.
It doesn't bump steer the back end over a rough spot like the 'girder' will and it keeps the tire aligned with the road vertically-horizontally under compression-extension if it's setup right. The trade off is more moving parts = more friction = more hp loss.
They don't use the 'girder' in F1 because that class winner is determined by how fast he can go on a road course with a limited amount of horsepower. Apparantly they can go faster with an IRS than with a girder despite the inherent horsepower loss.
I hate weight limited classes because the ruling body can 'adjust' the bias so literally anyone can win if they whine enough to the rule makers.
Classic example: the Hemi in Pro Stock NHRA ..ruled out of existence instead of competition stepping up their game.
Gimme a class where the fastest guy wins .. period.
Like Top Fuel (granted, .. they have a *minimum* weight ..you can build a heavier car if you want to :)
-Frank (just sayin)
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would that be the oldsmobile engine, which i think was something like the northstar engine?
Yes built by Repco in Ozland.
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theres a lot to put into one of those cars, it would be a while anda drain of funds before they started making back what they won.
it was me indeed. post the links.
true racers don't look to make back what they put into their cars. i dumped thousands into my mustang.......and maybe won hundreds....it didn't matter though. i had the fun, the rush, and the win lights.
i'll post the youtube video tonight, when i get home.
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Well .. the Vette's demoralized the GT-1 class so much that the Ferrari's and Aston Martin's refused to come play anymore.
It wasn't a 'race' at that point.
So they switched to GT-2, puttin smaller motors in their vettes ..and now it's 'a race' again without any sure bets.
At least until they get the new combination sorted out.
We all know why the Camaro isn't doin as well against the Mustang ..it's more than a bit heavier.
A lighter smaller car with equal horsepower will smoke the bigger heavier one every time.. drivers being relatively equal.i thought i had heard someone say that the camaro was a little lighter. either way, it's got a higher hp rating than the mustang......so it's not so much the weight, as it is the power to weight ratio. also, don't forget.....the bmw, is approx. the same weight, and same hp rating as the stang......and they cannot hold the stangs off.
As for the IRS .. I know you know this but I will say it anyway.
It doesn't bump steer the back end over a rough spot like the 'girder' will and it keeps the tire aligned with the road vertically-horizontally under compression-extension if it's setup right. The trade off is more moving parts = more friction = more hp loss.you're right. i wanted to see if "you know who" could explain it. that friction loss is probably a bit of what's costing the camaro in these races. it would be interesting if they could put one out there, with nothing changed, 'cept that rear, and see how it compares.
They don't use the 'girder' in F1 because that class winner is determined by how fast he can go on a road course with a limited amount of horsepower. Apparantly they can go faster with an IRS than with a girder despite the inherent horsepower loss.
I hate weight limited classes because the ruling body can 'adjust' the bias so literally anyone can win if they whine enough to the rule makers.
Classic example: the Hemi in Pro Stock NHRA ..ruled out of existence instead of competition stepping up their game.
Gimme a class where the fastest guy wins .. period.
Like Top Fuel (granted, .. they have a *minimum* weight ..you can build a heavier car if you want to :)that rule whining, is in my opinion, what ruined stock car racing.
-Frank (just sayin)
know what i wish? remember when you sold your last vette? i mentioned it to a couple people, and they told me i shoulda jumped on it. i REALLY wish i'd have listened to them, and not hesitated......
like i said, i don't dislike chevys.......i just like fords better. and that vette was friggin BEAUTIFUL.
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Yes built by Repco in Ozland.
repco...for some reason, that name is ringing a bell..........but yea...then i am somewhat familiar with it. i know i don't like the northstar engines though.
i think i saw one of those olds engines back when the IRL series came to dover for the first time. i went to that race, and watched 22(i think) cars start....something like 8 or 9 finished.
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you really wanna take any bets on that? there is plenty of air in there....you tried to claim there was no air in the tank. this is wrong. and if there's air in a half full tank, there's plenty to let fumes ignite.
and for the solid rear axle......well....it's working rather nicely, i'd say....wouldn't you?
You still claim that there is plenty of air, cars should be blowing up left and right then. You do know that electric motors ark, right?
And again, i wouldn't. Solid rear axle likes smooth and even surface only. What kind of BMW's are there anyway?
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You still claim that there is plenty of air, cars should be blowing up left and right then. You do know that electric motors ark, right?
And again, i wouldn't. Solid rear axle likes smooth and even surface only. What kind of BMW's are there anyway?
do they? they can ark in liquid?
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Is it true if you buy a chevy or a dodge you get a complimentary skirt, purse, and heels? :devil
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Is it true if you buy a chevy or a dodge you get a complimentary skirt, purse, and heels? :devil
that's actually the complimentary gift if one purchases a used pee38 from anyone in the 80th. :bolt:
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theres a lot to put into one of those cars, it would be a while anda drain of funds before they started making back what they won.
it was me indeed. post the links.
hey masonz!!!
here ya go. gotta admit....that challenger looks pretty dam good comin 'round that turn.
also, note how well that IRS works for the car that has the prefered line in the turn, as it can't overtake the car with the "whacking great girder with a tire on each end". :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DCl7dtvqFM
nice vid of a challenger track test. it looks like all they really need to do to that to make it competitive, is to give it a little quicker steering....it appears as if he's having to feed in way too much steering input to make those turns....and there's one spot where it looks like it leans a LOT....so a little stiffer suspension too, and it'd be a beast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qr1pJwTEVc&NR=1
i'm just puttin this one up, 'cause both of these cars look like they're just sittin there, waiting, thinking to themselves....."go ahead....i'll rip your face off" :devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6loLce9qOsc&feature=related
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looking at that last vid Cap I can see what you're saying about handling. Looks like the Challenger is a tad squirrely in the turns.
Okay an assessment from a guy that isn't all that knowledgeable about cars. I love the look of the new Camaros but, when I checked them out, I wasn't fond of the lack of visibility. Motor and handling felt good but if I can't see I'm not really comfortable. Dodge had good visibility and 'felt' good if a little heavy. Overall the stang won out again. Visibility isn't fantastic but better than the Chevy. Dodge had better visibility but I felt that if I was cornering hard I could easily lose it. *shrug*
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looking at that last vid Cap I can see what you're saying about handling. Looks like the Challenger is a tad squirrely in the turns.
Okay an assessment from a guy that isn't all that knowledgeable about cars. I love the look of the new Camaros but, when I checked them out, I wasn't fond of the lack of visibility. Motor and handling felt good but if I can't see I'm not really comfortable. Dodge had good visibility and 'felt' good if a little heavy. Overall the stang won out again. Visibility isn't fantastic but better than the Chevy. Dodge had better visibility but I felt that if I was cornering hard I could easily lose it. *shrug*
i'm going to a local ford dealer on friday to test drive a 2011 gt premium. we need a "drooling"smiley. :devil
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CAP (and any others that think a Vette is beyond them)
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-corvettes-for-sale-52/
From mild to wild .. a used vette can be found with the toys you want ..or a bone stock low mileage canvas to work your own magic on.
You will pay more for one with a 427 in it, or twin turbo's ..or supercharged .. but .. compared to the cost of doing it yourself it's a huge bang for the buck savings.
I searched Craigslist, Ebay, and the Vette forum before making a list of possible cars, ..went to the first one and it just grabbed me,
..turned out to be bone stock, hi-mileage, just frikkin beautiful with a 6 gear.
However .. when you buy a used car, you get a used car.
I did some pre-emptive strike maintenance by puttin in an LS-7 clutch as the one in it didnt feel 'good' (flywheel was fried a bit and the disc was almost done turns out, found the couplers were shot and the rear main seal was leakin a bit)
.. replaced the weatherstripping as it was fried, hard, chunks missing
.. replaced rear differential gasket as it was leakin a bit,
.. did some upgrades to make the car more fun to drive
aluminum radiator ..now it doesn't care how hot it is outside, it's pegged at 200 or so with a 195 thermostat
..and the B&B exhaust .. music no less)
Paid 11.5k for it, have put 3k into it so far .. worth every penny.
I *love* the sound when I crank it up, when I run thru the gears, up an onramp .. just a blast to drive.
They are out there .. some need more TLC than others, some are truly beasts .. all are damn fine automobiles :)
IMHO
-Frank
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CAP (and any others that think a Vette is beyond them)
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-corvettes-for-sale-52/
From mild to wild .. a used vette can be found with the toys you want ..or a bone stock low mileage canvas to work your own magic on.
You will pay more for one with a 427 in it, or twin turbo's ..or supercharged .. but .. compared to the cost of doing it yourself it's a huge bang for the buck savings.
I searched Craigslist, Ebay, and the Vette forum before making a list of possible cars, ..went to the first one and it just grabbed me,
..turned out to be bone stock, hi-mileage, just frikkin beautiful with a 6 gear.
However .. when you buy a used car, you get a used car.
I did some pre-emptive strike maintenance by puttin in an LS-7 clutch as the one in it didnt feel 'good' (flywheel was fried a bit and the disc was almost done turns out, found the couplers were shot and the rear main seal was leakin a bit)
.. replaced the weatherstripping as it was fried, hard, chunks missing
.. replaced rear differential gasket as it was leakin a bit,
.. did some upgrades to make the car more fun to drive
aluminum radiator ..now it doesn't care how hot it is outside, it's pegged at 200 or so with a 195 thermostat
..and the B&B exhaust .. music no less)
Paid 11.5k for it, have put 3k into it so far .. worth every penny.
I *love* the sound when I crank it up, when I run thru the gears, up an onramp .. just a blast to drive.
They are out there .. some need more TLC than others, some are truly beasts .. all are damn fine automobiles :)
IMHO
-Frank
i know they're out there. what caught me about yours when it was for sale, was the sheer beauty of that car. well.....that, and if one can judge a person by the way they post here.......i pretty much trust you, and your word, so i feel i would not have been wasting my time to fly out there with cash in hand.
i'm kinda hooked on the mustang, as i just cannot get enough of the looks of the new body. there's one been running around by my shop....black, tinted glass(kind of illegal in nj, but they don't fail that for inspection anymore), and blacked out 19" wheels.......it looks like sex on wheels.
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i'm going to a local ford dealer on friday to test drive a 2011 gt premium. we need a "drooling"smiley. :devil
pictures will be required jackwagon :)
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pictures will be required jackwagon :)
of me drooling on it, marking my territory, or the terrified salesman in the passengers seat, as i show him what these things really can do? :devil
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of me drooling on it, marking my territory, or the terrified salesman in the passengers seat, as i show him what these things really can do? :devil
all of the above, kind sir
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Or the first chick with a double digit IQ and big boobs to take a 'ride' in it :devil
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I think the newest body style of the mustang seems influenced a lot by the aston martin vantage V8 cars.
Of course, the Vantage shows a lot of earlier mustang bodywork influence.
The circle complete.
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I think the newest body style of the mustang seems influenced a lot by the aston martin vantage V8 cars.
Of course, the Vantage shows a lot of earlier mustang bodywork influence.
The circle complete.
actually, most cars of this type have some "mustang" influence in their designs.
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Considering Ford owned Aston Martin for quite a while (1994-2007), it really is not a mystery as to where those design lines crossed over.
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I want to know how many HP the bushes or rose joints in IRS cost :D
of course you get a whole bunch more effective HP out of corners via improved traction (less axle tramp, better contact patches from better geometry etc.) theres no point having power if you cant put it on the road ...
I assume they use live axles because they are homologated from the road cars which use them, which is done for cost? :headscratch:
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they use live axles, 'cause they work. they've worked for.....well......since the car was invented. :D
in cars like F1, and indy cars, i can understand going to irs.........but it obviously isn't necessary here.
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The use of the live axle over an IRS is pretty simple really.
1) It is cheaper and faster in production (saves Ford money).
2) It can take more abuse in day-to-day street driving than IRS (saves Ford money in warranty claims).
3) The average driver will never be able to tell the difference between it and an IRS.
That old live axle is one tough biotch. You can get Mustangs sideways all day long and they never lose alignment, nor break anything. After 50,000 miles, they still do it all day long. Tough to make an IRS that can hold on that long, under a lot of abuse. Certainly would cost a lot more to do so.
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Thanks CAP for the kind words .. I'd buy a used car ..even a Mustang(if I was interested in owning one) from you too :)
Yassir Skuzzy .. they recommend urethane bushings if yer gonna race 'em as the rubber donuts don't keep it 'straight' enough.
Personally .. I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference tween IRS/live axle until I am at 8/10ths or more pressin thru and off of an apex.
Even then .. tire choice is a huge variable.
I really like the look of the Mustang ..I have seen some (recently a Mach 1, dark silver, black hood stripes w silver lettering that said somethin about 32 valves and 4.8 litre or some such, grayspoke deep dish mags with polished lips, flares, looked very much capable of ripping faces off and sounded great ..we parked side by side at the same time comin into an Ace hardware store ..when I looked at the driver to wave he looked down and away ..no smile no nothin .. thinkin he was abused by one of the scary beasts runnin around Phoenix area, there are more than a few :)
I really should wear my camera in a holster on my hip .. there's a lot of nice lookin cars where I end up hangin out :)
-Frank aka GE
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i calls em like i sees(or in this case, reads) em.
i think you, skuzzy, dicho, cvh, masher, and a few others.........all of us sittin at the local watering hole, i think would turn into some very interesting, and very fascinating conversations about our favorite cars. hell......we'd have the parking lot looking like a little car show. :devil
check this vid out. the first guy talking is kinda not "mr personality", but the car seems pretty amazing...it's not factory, nor is it stock.....as should be obvious........
http://www.musclevehicles.com/shelby-gt500-code-red-1000hp-twin-turbo
check the second link.....THIS is a corvette. :devil
i had to take this link out.......there's a little language in it, and a pretty expletive post under it. follow the link to youtube from the first link above, and you can see the vette.
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I *love* the sound when I crank it up, when I run thru the gears, up an onramp .. just a blast to drive.
They are out there .. some need more TLC than others, some are truly beasts .. all are damn fine automobiles :)
IMHO
-Frank
SWEET!!! :O
I love the tongue in cheek back and forth between Ford, Chevy, Dodge, people so long as it stays tongue in cheek. Beautiful cars are just that. Shufflers daughters green Camaro leaps to mind. That is one seriously beautiful car.
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SWEET!!! :O
I love the tongue in cheek back and forth between Ford, Chevy, Dodge, people so long as it stays tongue in cheek. Beautiful cars are just that. Shufflers daughters green Camaro leaps to mind. That is one seriously beautiful car.
i like em all. i just happen to like fords best. like i said.........if i weren't hellbent on a gt, i would seriously consider a black, loud, face ripping corvette.......without hesitation.
i made a comment in another thread, being pretty "un nice" about the new charger, and i stand by that. to me, it is ugly, fudly, too big, looking like a revamped chrysler 300. it should be criminal that it wears the badge of a legend such as the dodge charger.
the dodge challenger on the other hand........i wouldn't mind being seen in one of them. i had a road runner back in the 80's......with a 340, 4 speed, and it had a pistol grip shifter. i hear the challenger can be had with that.......and that is supreme coolness in my opinion. as much as i like the new mustangs, i think the challenger is the truest to its older brother, with the mustang being second best in that area. the camaro has the lines of the original, but it looks almost like a rolling blind spot, and it looks like they forgot tail lights when they built it....and had one of those "oh crap!" moments, and grabbed the first ones they found on a shelf...which look like they're from late 80's early 90's corvette. it's still a beautiful car though.
the only thing that ever bothers me in any of these threads, is that there's a couple people that do seem to take them way too seriously. you guys(and you all know who you are) just need to chill out, enjoy the beautiful sounds, and lines of these cars, and have a lil fun poking fun at each other in here. :aok
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I totally agree about the new Charger. It is one smurfy car. Given the 69 Charger was probably one of the best/meanest looking cars of the 60's, it is sad to see what they call a Charger today.
When I was in high school I had a 69 Road Runner with a 383, 4 speed. My neighbor had a 69 Charger with a 440 and an automatic. We used to run against each other. One week he would win, the next week I would win. We ate big block Mustangs for lunch. There was a Hemi Cuda one block over and that was the only car we never could beat. My Uncle had a 63 Corvette with a 327 and 4 speed. His car was pretty dang quick as well, but very squirrely at launch, or he would have given us some trouble.
Before it was all said and done, my Road Runner saw 163MPH and low nines, in the quarter. Not bad for a normally aspirated street car.
My Mustang, on the other hand, was a rocket and built for road racing. That was a fun car.
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i thought i saw a challenger running a few weeks ago, but i'm not sure. the challenger is really too big, and heavy....it'd have a lot of trouble on most of these tracks.........
That was the case back in the late 60's as well - uncompetitive on the Trans Am circuit.
I happen to have a friend who used to work here at Ford in an attribute engineering function, got laid off, and is now at Chrysler. We joke and call it "Crapsler". In any case, he always offers me amusing anecdotes about how things are done over at America's last-place automaker. I chuckle and get a nice warm all-over schadenfreude buzz going. I'm sure there are plenty of adherents to Dodge Truck's Cummins diesels but, other than that, they've got very little to boast about over there - and having some foolish Italians swallow the poison toad won't help matters much.
I need to add, those are all personal observations and in no way represent the views of Ford Motor Company or its assigns.
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/agree on the new 'Charger'
.. just amazed Dodge decided to call it that when it had absolutely no visual tie in to a Charger at all.
4 doors? .. WTF??
Station Wagon?? no way in hell.
It's just not the Manly-Man Charger of my youth.
Whereas the Challenger was spot on.
Beautiful even parked beside the original.
And the SRT-8 w/the 392 Hemi .. NomNoms!
(altho Dodge did make a big deal of the 392 matching the rated hp figures of the 426
..the 426 was severely under rated .. they have to get 650hp or so to match the 'stock' 426 of the old days)
The vid you posted on the Mustang .. ohhyaa .. Nelson .. very ballzout supercar builder :)
I *really* like his rendition of a '69 Camaro that I posted a link to earlier .. similar setup to the Mustang, but
..the Camaro makes 2khp ..not 1k.
..even the Impala he built sounds magnificent runnin up thru the gears.
-Frank aka GE