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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Blade on August 13, 2011, 09:15:29 PM
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next new air craft
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FaNX1NBLk3g/TkI0FFwcakI/AAAAAAAAAZk/B3w3mVJjWCA/s1600/snapshot_dvd_01.43.16_%255B2011.08.10_11.12.35%255D.jpg)
IJA Type-1 HAYABUSA
(http://blog-imgs-23.fc2.com/a/w/a/awaniko/1165359637-17739-1.jpg)
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Something that will handily out turn and out climb the Brewster. It'll probably generate whines. :p
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:pray
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Im a little surprised weve never gotten it yet. I think its a fine idea.
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Very cool pic that lower one!! Some sort of photoshopped composite or what?
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Nice pics.
One day there will be a flight of Ki-43's headed to some NME action somewhere, I'll be in the lead plane smiling from ear to ear. :cheers:
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two bb guns is not going to make it very popular, otherwise +1
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Very cool pic that lower one!! Some sort of photoshopped composite or what?
I am guessing some sort of Japanese movie the top picture looks computer generated.
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two bb guns is not going to make it very popular, otherwise +1
12.7mm are bb guns? Generally that term only refers to 7.5-7.92mm rifle caliber guns in this game.
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Werent later models much better armed and faster? Im not overly familiar with the 43 but I do remember it evolved during the war.
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Werent later models much better armed and faster? Im not overly familiar with the 43 but I do remember it evolved during the war.
Faster, yes, better armored, yes, better armed, not so much.
Ki-43-I had two 7.7mm machine guns or, most commonly, one 7.7mm machine gun and one 12.7mm machine gun or, rarely, two 12.7mm machine guns.
Ki-43-II and Ki-43-III were armed with two 12.7mm machine guns.
A few Ki-43-IIIs had two Ho-5 20mm cannon, but they saw no combat and production never materialized.
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hell that beauty may get me out of her sister :aok
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Sorry, but your Ki-43 is superceded by this beauty :noid.
(http://operatorchan.org/v/arch/src/v21498_German%20WW2%20Panzer%20III%20at%20the%20US%20Army%20Ordnance%20Muse.jpg)
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The Ki-43-III would be fit in the Late War Arena.
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The Ki-43-III would be fit in the Late War Arena.
Ideally we'd get a Ki-43-I, with one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm gun, a Ki-43-II and a Ki-43-III. They vary enough in performance and were significant enough to warrant series representation in AH.
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Fighter Ace had the Oscar...Rarely used and for good reason...Two .50 cals don't cut it....I'd rather have a new tank...
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Fighter Ace had the Oscar...Rarely used and for good reason...Two .50 cals don't cut it....I'd rather have a new tank...
lol sorry don't mean to laugh but FA......went under for a reason...huge difference between FA and AH :aok
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lol sorry don't mean to laugh but FA......went under for a reason...huge difference between FA and AH :aok
Actually, that has nothing to do with FA...The Oscar would be as useless here, as it was in FA...And yes, FA went under for a reason...Failure to adapt and change (Stagnant maps for example)...But FA did have better things going for it than AH does...Superior graphics and a better film playback system just to name a couple...There is no call to laugh at FA...
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I'd like the two 12.7mm machine guns version please.
There is not a fighter in this game you can't shoot down with those.
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Setting the 2 games aside the Oscar was never used except in the historical room, it was just torn apart by any gun set. Agile fairely fast but low fire power and weak airframe will doom it after the new wares off. It will be great for EW and the SEA events but would be eaten alive in LW but thats just my HO.
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we have oscar-II in Warbirds. Its a much harder target than zero m2/3, not only does it turn better it can fly faster without compress, it has wep and can take som damage.
its the ultimate 1vs1 in the same plane, much fun , and snapshots does not kill.
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Actually, that has nothing to do with FA...The Oscar would be as useless here, as it was in FA...And yes, FA went under for a reason...Failure to adapt and change (Stagnant maps for example)...But FA did have better things going for it than AH does...Superior graphics and a better film playback system just to name a couple...There is no call to laugh at FA...
FA was the first ww2 game I played.......sorry if your a transplant but FA was .....well wanted to be what AH is but fell very short of it.
and no it would not be "useless" by any stretch of the imagination.
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The 12.7 was called a machine cannon not a machine gun,it fired 12.7 HE rounds which would be considerablely harder hitting than just ball ammo!
Whether HTC models HE rounds for the Japeneese 12.7 is another matter and I cant comment on it as I'm not sure.
:salute
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-1 to the Ki-43. not yet.
We have a grand total of 1 EW tank, we're severly lacking in in Italian planes, Russian bombers, and we have nothing thats not from, or based on a plane from, one of 6 countries.
Its been a good long while since we've gotten a fighter thats not just a variant of something we already have in the game.
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Fighter Ace had the Oscar...Rarely used and for good reason...Two .50 cals don't cut it....I'd rather have a new tank...
It would not be used in massive numbers, true.
However, against fighters two 12.7mm guns are light but serviceable. I have shot down a number of aircraft with the same two 12.7mm guns on the Ki-84 after running dry of 20mm ammo.
The Ki-43 would also turn better than any fighter in the game right now, better than the A6M, better than the Hurricane and better than the Brewster.
Tank-Ace,
Cool it. You've had a decent number of tanks added, the last new fighters added were the Brewster and I-16 and that is quite some time ago now. A6M3 wasn't a wholly new fighter, but rather a variant of an existing model.
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I didn't even mention tanks in that post :noid.
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-1 to the Ki-43. not yet.
We have a grand total of 1 EW tank, we're severly lacking in in Italian planes, Russian bombers, and we have nothing thats not from, or based on a plane from, one of 6 countries.
Its been a good long while since we've gotten a fighter thats not just a variant of something we already have in the game.
The ki43 shot down more allied planes than any other japanese plane.
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So? I'm not saying it wasn't significant, I'm just saying its not as needed as other potential additions.
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So? I'm not saying it wasn't significant, I'm just saying its not as needed as other potential additions.
From a historical stand point it is one of the seven most important aircraft still missing from AH. I am sorry, but I can't agree with your assessment unless you are arguing from a "What will be used in the MA" point of view.
Beafighter
He111
Ki-43
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-7
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I'm arguing from an MA use standpoint as well as a scenario use standpoint.
A6M2 can stand in for the Ki-43 better than a 109G6 can stand in for a 109G10. The A6M can sub for the -43 better than the Il-2 can sub for an Il-10. The A6M can sub for a -43 better than a Yak-9 can sub for a Yak-1.
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I'm arguing from an MA use standpoint as well as a scenario use standpoint.
A6M2 can stand in for the Ki-43 better than a 109G6 can stand in for a 109G10.
The Bf109G-14 most certainly can stand in for the Bf109G-10 better than the any A6M can sub for any Ki-43.
Il-2 can sub for an Il-10.
Il-10 was not a significant participant in WWII, unlike the Ki-43.
The A6M can sub for a -43 better than a Yak-9 can sub for a Yak-1.
Probably true.
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Next new aircraft will have two engines.
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+1 for any Ki-43 variant. I for one would use it in the MA
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Regardless of if the Il-10 was as significant, it was still a major ground-attack plane late in the war.
Another example: Brewsters subbing for F2A's (not saying I WANT the F2A, just using it as an example).
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Regardless of if the Il-10 was as significant, it was still a major ground-attack plane late in the war.
You gotta be kidding me.
Il-10 saw combat starting from April 15th 1945 on. That's only few weeks of combat. It truly wasn't "a major ground-attack plane", even in the late war. Ki-43 saw combat almost from the start of the Pacific War.
There's absolutely no comparison between them.
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Hmmmm.... then what the hell am I thinking of?
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I suspect Pe-2. (wild guess?)
However that doesn't negate the absolute need for the Ki-43 in this game.
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FA was the first ww2 game I played.......sorry if your a transplant but FA was .....well wanted to be what AH is but fell very short of it.
and no it would not be "useless" by any stretch of the imagination.
Well, not "very" short, but failed due to a general inability to adapt...
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It would not be used in massive numbers, true.
However, against fighters two 12.7mm guns are light but serviceable. I have shot down a number of aircraft with the same two 12.7mm guns on the Ki-84 after running dry of 20mm ammo.
The Ki-43 would also turn better than any fighter in the game right now, better than the A6M, better than the Hurricane and better than the Brewster
Never said that it's impossible....But two .50 cals, 250rpg will not endear it to very many people considering how frail the plane is...For that, there is the Zero....But if an Oscar is to be introduced, try the Ki-43 mark 3b....At least that variant had twin 20mm cannons...
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No models had 20mm. A trio of prototypes did, that is all.
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No models had 20mm. A trio of prototypes did, that is all.
Sure, go ahead and shatter my dreams... ;)
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They did turn like a whiling dervish, though. :aok
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+1 for a new turn fighter that wont get the standard "easy mode" label
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I suspect Pe-2. (wild guess?)
However that doesn't negate the absolute need for the Ki-43 in this game.
Yup, Pe-2. That or the Tu-2. One of those anyway :aok.
And eventually yes, we need it. But I would personally rather see an Me-410, an IAR-80, Re-2005, etc. Stuff I would actually fly.
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Note that the Pe-2 was on my list of "most historically significant aircraft not in AH right now".
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It'a almost inexcusable to not have the KI-43. That's like having no P-40b.
Can't even run a proper AVG setup.
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-1. I bet that even most of the people asking for it will ignore it for the most part after the new wears off.
Most of its use will be in small CV fights where the defenders go "hey, A6M. I'll up my oscar".
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thank you for this addition :rock
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-1. I bet that even most of the people asking for it will ignore it for the most part after the new wears off.
I won't, I only fly in the AvA or SEA, it would be used a hell of a lot in these arenas.
Also in the player hosted arenas for historical setups there.
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I would fly it.
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I would fly it.
As would I. It would out turn everything in AH save possibly the D3A and B5N, while having much higher performance and ~5 times the forward firepower of the D3A and infinitely more than the B5N.
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Me too, rich history, colourful paint schemes, delightful handling characteristics and I really like playing with fowler flaps. :)
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Me too, rich history, colourful paint schemes, delightful handling characteristics and I really like playing with fowler flaps. :)
My Ki-84 will be shot down by his Ki-43 like his Brewster! :D
BTW I would fly the Ki-44 Shoki with fowler flaps too... ;)
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The ki43 might not kill you , but according to a US veteran "send you home, talking to yourself"
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My Ki-84 will be shot down by his Ki-43 like his Brewster! :D
Wouldn't be so sure about it. ;)
BTW I would fly the Ki-44 Shoki with fowler flaps too... ;)
Me too! I'd enjoy Ki-44 very much!
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As much as I'd like a Soviet bomber its hard to argue the KI-43 is NOT the next most deserving.
As for the B-239 it wasnt just the Fin crowd calling for it. The plane has a unique place in history in a unique theater of air war. Many Yanks and Brits and others wanted it too.
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From a historical stand point it is one of the seven most important aircraft still missing from AH. I am sorry, but I can't agree with your assessment unless you are arguing from a "What will be used in the MA" point of view.
ME-410
Beafighter
He111
Ki-43
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-7
Fixed
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Fixed
Nope. Me410 is insignificant, historically, compared to those. I would like to see it added, but historically it was a bit player.
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Karnak what about the Yak-3..
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"Nope. Me410 is insignificant, historically, compared to those. I would like to see it added, but historically it was a bit player."
What are you talking about? Technologically it was not insignificant. It was an attempt to provide a decent heavy fighter for LW to replace aging 110, but as it happened it was again too little and too late to make much difference. Of course it failed to make any difference "historically", not many German planes could at that point, not even ME262 could which was technologically quite significant, like Komet, or Ta152.
I wonder how Beaufighter is more significant historically than ME410?
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P38-H most common 38 nuff said :P
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Karnak what about the Yak-3..
I'd like to see it, but I am not sure it was that major a player.
"Nope. Me410 is insignificant, historically, compared to those. I would like to see it added, but historically it was a bit player."
What are you talking about? Technologically it was not insignificant. It was an attempt to provide a decent heavy fighter for LW to replace aging 110, but as it happened it was again too little and too late to make much difference. Of course it failed to make any difference "historically", not many German planes could at that point, not even ME262 could which was technologically quite significant, like Komet, or Ta152.
I wonder how Beaufighter is more significant historically than ME410?
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Me210 and Me410 were disappointments for the Luftwaffe and not many were built, less than 400 Me210s and about 1200 Me410s, per wikipedia. In comparison, 5928 Beaufighters were built and it served in every theater and with many air forces from late 1940 through the end of the war.
The Me410 is a very nice looking aircraft and I'd like to see it added soon. I voted for it after the Beaufighter was eliminated in the poll that got us the B-29, and I wasn't voting in a "Well, may as well click something." manner.
P38-H most common 38 nuff said :P
Bah. Doesn't count. All that is needed for that is some slight graphical work on the P-38G model and a flight model. Doesn't come close to the addition of a new fighter, nor does it count in my historical context as several P-38s are already in game.
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In other words we should already have the "H"? Especially because it wouldn't take much doing. I would like to see the 410 as well. I would really like to fly it. :airplane:
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Ki-43, at least two versions
P-40, fill out selection (true B, F and maybe the N).
Yak-3, and maybe a another Yak-9 variant
Beaufighter, two versions
Ki-61, redo and add another variant (maybe even Ki-100)
C.202 and C.205, redo and add C.200
B-26B, redo
Also, in no particular order....
Ki-44
Lagg-3 (for 1941 and early war scenarios)
Fiat G55
Pe-2
P-47, add D-10 and give D-11 paddle blade prop (D-11 would become D-10, and D-11 would get revised performance model and wing pylons)
J2M3
He-111 (would get limited use in LWMA, but useful in EWMA)
A-26A
That's enough to keep HTC busy for several years.....
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Liking the list Widewing, but you left the gladiator off ;)
Or am I the only 1 who would love to see this bird ingame?
Wurz
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Vader :banana:
ohhhhh and A-20 update, with 4 x 20 mm :D
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We already have many late war speedsters that are heavily armed so, of the single engine fighter, I would probably want to see the yak 7b or a mig3 before the yak3.
Of the multi engine planes, the PE2 is a no brainer as are some german bombers.
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We already have many late war speedsters that are heavily armed so, of the single engine fighter, I would probably want to see the yak 7b or a mig3 before the yak3.
Of the multi engine planes, the PE2 is a no brainer as are some german bombers.
The Yak-3 isn't remarkably "speedy", nor is it heavily armed. It's slower than the 9U and carries the same armament. It was, however, a very important fighter in the eastern front from mid 1944 on.
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"Nope. Me410 is insignificant, historically, compared to those. I would like to see it added, but historically it was a bit player."
What are you talking about? Technologically it was not insignificant. It was an attempt to provide a decent heavy fighter for LW to replace aging 110, but as it happened it was again too little and too late to make much difference. Of course it failed to make any difference "historically", not many German planes could at that point, not even ME262 could which was technologically quite significant, like Komet, or Ta152.
I wonder how Beaufighter is more significant historically than ME410?
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Very simply in that it served longer, and in more theaters of the war and in greater numbers.
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ME-410 or Beaufighter..... preferably the 410, but either of those heavy hitters would be most excellent (dude). :x :cheers: :rock
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The collective joy of the AH community would NEVER be topped in a million years if HTC released a "new plane" teaser of a Beau......
.... flying in formation with a 410!
But seriously, doesn't it make perfect sense to do both? They're clearly some of the more useful additions, more important, and more beloved by the community.
(not that I'm saying we don't need a Ki43, etc, just that these 2 in the same release would be astoundingly awesome)
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For once I agree with Krusty completly and without reservations. +1 to the Me-410 AND its new target drone the Beau.
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Me too. :aok to Krusty... this time.
I saw that the Pe-2 is in FA, however... I want guns in the wheelwells of a B-17 :x
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But I want G55... :D
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After a long list of other need planes I would like to see the B-17F.
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:x :x :x Oh yes please!!! We need another EW bomber, methinks!!!
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Widewing,
Very potent list there sir. :aok
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Ki44-II and J2M3 Japanese intercepters set plz. :D
I want to shoot the 40mm rocket guns! :D :D :D
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Ki44-II and J2M3 Japanese intercepters set plz. :D
I want to shoot the 40mm rocket guns! :D :D :D
Totally agree!!
I'd have so much fun with those planes!
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Totally agree!!
I'd have so much fun with those planes!
Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty and fun. :)
(http://flightsim.sakura.ne.jp/gazou/Tainan/Tainan-Pic/Ki44-0015-verA.jpg)
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Ki44-II and J2M3 Japanese intercepters set plz. :D
I want to shoot the 40mm rocket guns! :D :D :D
Yep, one day for those as well. One day ... :pray
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what i'd like is a StuG III Ausf G. and a sexy P-47-D22 :t
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Fighter Ace had the Oscar...Rarely used and for good reason...Two .50 cals don't cut it....I'd rather have a new tank...
it was one of my most loved aircraft in fighter ace. The 2 .50 cals were more than enough for a true fighter pilot. Just as 2 .50's are enough in AH. It may be tough to kill a B-17 with it. But then again that goes for many aircraft in our game. I'm all for the Oscar, and would love having it in this game.
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It would be the perk points maker. :D
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It would be the perk points maker. :D
Even the Ki-43-III would probably have an ENY of 30 or so. If a fighters gets slow and gets a Ki043 on him, he'd better have altitude to blow to get clear or he probably isn't.
The Mosquito Mk VI is much faster than the Ki-43, yet I know of at least one Mosquito VI that was shot down over Burma by a Ki-43 after the Mossie tried to fight.
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From a historical stand point it is one of the seven most important aircraft still missing from AH.
Beafighter
He111
Ki-43
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-7
JUDY JUDY JUDY!
(I haven't said that in ages!)
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G.55
IAR-80C
109F-6
109G10 (I really miss that one :()
Yak-7B
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Yak-3
P47D22
P47D23
109G10 (I really miss that one :()
Yak-7B
fixed :D
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109G10 (I really miss that one :()
How can you miss something we never had?
(fyi, we never had the Bf109G-10 in AH. We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so as to give it the 20mm options. The actual Bf109G-10's performance would have been markedly lower than what we had.)
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awwww.... damnit :cry! 109K with a 20mm was uber then.
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Quite so.
It was a fantasy ride. When it was introduced the planeset was a fraction of what we have now. It was pulling double duty by giving you weapons the K4 never had.
I'm rather glad it's more realistic now. Or, perhaps I should say "more historically accurate" because it is a game after all -- it's only as realistic as games can be.
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I'd like to see it, but I am not sure it was that major a player.Me210 and Me410 were disappointments for the Luftwaffe and not many were built, less than 400 Me210s and about 1200 Me410s, per wikipedia. In comparison, 5928 Beaufighters were built and it served in every theater and with many air forces from late 1940 through the end of the war.
The Me410 is a very nice looking aircraft and I'd like to see it added soon. I voted for it after the Beaufighter was eliminated in the poll that got us the B-29, and I wasn't voting in a "Well, may as well click something." manner.Bah. Doesn't count. All that is needed for that is some slight graphical work on the P-38G model and a flight model. Doesn't come close to the addition of a new fighter, nor does it count in my historical context as several P-38s are already in game.
only 1200 me410 isnt a argument against the introduse.
only 450 kingTigers were build ;-)
cu christian
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only 1200 me410 isnt a argument against the introduse.
only 450 kingTigers were build ;-)
cu christian
No, it certainly is not an argument against adding it, nor was it intended to be. It was an explanation of why I don't think it is one of the really historically significant units missing from AH, and I stand by that explanation.
I'd still like to see it added, but I can, and have, post a laundry list of things I'd like added.
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I'd like to see the Yak-9UT added (perhaps when they give the existing Yaks a face lift). Same as 9U but with all-metal skin and other minor aerodynamic improvements. Gun options would be 2 x B-20 cannons and one of the following engine-mounted cannons: B-20, NS-23, N-37 or N-45. Entered service in early 1945.
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+1 but I think it'll be a scenario aircraft for the most part.
I think the Ki.44, Ki.100 or J2M would find more use in the LWA. Any new Japanese fighter would be good by me. Great pics, btw.
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I'd like to see the Yak-9UT added (perhaps when they give the existing Yaks a face lift). Same as 9U but with all-metal skin and other minor aerodynamic improvements. Gun options would be 2 x B-20 cannons and one of the following engine-mounted cannons: B-20, NS-23, N-37 or N-45. Entered service in early 1945.
Kinda pushin' your luck there with something that arrived in 1945...you know how many were made/ served in squadron strength? :headscratch:
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UT is nice from a firepower perspective, but wasn't a major player IMO. What with the massive German retreat the emphasis was on more and more range, because these short-range fighters that only had to go so many miles to fight over their ground troops now had to go hundreds of miles over German terrain and back.
Yak-9D and/or Yak-9DD would be more appropriate for scenarios and events.
But I'm all for the 410, instead! :banana:
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you guys are such pansies. only REAL men like JUGS!!! P47-D22...:noid
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you guys are such pansies. only REAL men like JUGS!!! P47-D22...:noid
I don't think a new Yak-9 or P-47 really counts as a fully new fighter as they are just variants of existing fighters.
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I don't think a new Yak-9 or P-47 really counts as a fully new fighter as they are just variants of existing fighters.
what variant of a P47 do we have is a D22?
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I say we should all petition HTC to include a dual side-by-side "twins" release... no GVs necessary, no other planes, no revamps.. just put the effort into 2x twin-engined planes.
Beau and 410!
:banana:
:bolt:
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I respect that this is something many want.
How much value does it add? Even with two 12mm guns you are going to have to park behind the bad guy for a long time before you are going to kill him. It seems that it is manueverable enough to stay there but too risky to stay locked onto one target too long. Could it be why this plane did not see as extensive production and deployment?
Boo
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I respect that this is something many want.
How much value does it add? Even with two 12mm guns you are going to have to park behind the bad guy for a long time before you are going to kill him. It seems that it is manueverable enough to stay there but too risky to stay locked onto one target too long. Could it be why this plane did not see as extensive production and deployment?
Boo
Doesn't take that long. Same guns as the cowl guns on the Ki-84.
Besides, there are no aircraft left to be added that will see mass use.
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Many AH pilots don't realize this because they spray and hope for 1-shot kills, but on non-explosive rounds (i.e. "bullets") the closer you get the stronger they hit. They fade and weaken as they travel downrange. They lose their kinetic punch. Firing a 30cal at 800 yards may hit but do no damage at all. Firing a 30cal at 100 yards is lethal.
2x12.7mm are more than dangerous if you get CLOSE enough. If you're in a situation where you CAN get close enough, it means the other guy is slow, and now you are in a much more manuverable plane and can stick on him like glue, killing him.
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Didn't the Japanese 12.7mm machine guns fire explosive bullets or something like that? Seems I read somewhere they packed a bigger punch than a typical 12.7.
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+1 but I think it'll be a scenario aircraft for the most part.
I think the Ki.44, Ki.100 or J2M would find more use in the LWA. Any new Japanese fighter would be good by me. Great pics, btw.
Thanks, now we can see them with high quality 3d models. :)
I wish I wish! :pray
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I say we should all petition HTC to include a dual side-by-side "twins" release... no GVs necessary, no other planes, no revamps.. just put the effort into 2x twin-engined planes.
I agree! P-38H and F!
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Fighter Ace had the Oscar...Rarely used and for good reason...Two .50 cals don't cut it....I'd rather have a new tank...
Really? Then how come I shot down a B-17 using only the 2 .50's I had left in my 109 earlier this week. (And no, they were not attacked before that)
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Yes, technically speaking. They had a nasty habit of exploding inside the barrel over the engine on the Ki-43s... Taking out part of the engine too!
They put a steel plate beneat the barrel to stop engine damage if this happened, and that is why all Ki-43-I's had mixed 7mm/12.7mm so they could keep fighting if/when the 12.7mm jammed or blew up.
However, they weren't quite "more powerful" as they were slower rounds. They had less punch, they also were too small to really pack much HE inside either (20mm seems to be the minimum for effective explosive shells). So much like the Italian Breda Safat guns they were overall weaker than a Browning .50cal. They also fired about 400 rpm when synched through a prop, and since they were almost all through props they fired very slowly.
If they worked they were a nice weapon, but lack of reliability and weak performance meant they weren't widely accepted for quite some time.
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moin
what about a hard nosed ju88 with some guns, used as destroyer or very havy fighter? would be a god counter part to the a20. and the model still exist.
cu christian
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Kinda pushin' your luck there with something that arrived in 1945...you know how many were made/ served in squadron strength? :headscratch:
Plant no. 166 delivered 282 Yak-9UT to the Soviet air force between February and May 1945. Factory armament was two B-20 cannons in the cowl with 120 rounds each, and a single NS-23 cannon with 30 rounds firing trough the spinner. The engine cannon could be replaced in the field, although the N-45 proved unreliable.
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Really? Then how come I shot down a B-17 using only the 2 .50's I had left in my 109 earlier this week. (And no, they were not attacked before that)
Its been well documented the Japanese had a near impossible time shooting down american bombers during the war, in fact they had very few aircraft that could in fact bring down a B-17 until late midwar, by then the B-29 was operational which created even more of a problem since it flew high and fast.
If I recall, they had numerous design ideas, however I don't think the Japanese ever really had a solution until the war was lost.
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The B-17 was withdrawn from service in the PTO by mid-1943 in favor of the B-24. Most IJN and IJA front line fighters were fully capable of bringing down a B-17 at typical PTO altitudes.
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I think the ki43's perceived weakness is exaggerated.
There are instances of them colliding with bombers and surviving.
There are instances of them shooting down b29s and other superfortresses.
The ki43 shot down more allied planes than any other japanese type.
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Well, regardless of whether or not whatever Japanese plane you guys are talking about had decent armament or not, I have 3 personal candidates for the next airplane introduction to Aces High.
The first:
B-17 F or E-- I can't tell from here, but I'm thinking F
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/B-17/image056.gif)
Valuable addition to MW and snapshots, and a bit of variety when it comes to the American heavy lineup. :D Because we really do need that xD
The second: He-111
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/B-17/he111-3.jpg)
Another good MW addition, and it would be the first true German bomber to be introduced to AH.
The third: Now I've forgotten, but I would definitely say that the Pe-8 would/could possible deserve a spot in the AH lineup. I realize it would be difficult to model the interior, as I don't think there are any remaining airframes in the world
As for updates, I would REALLY like to see either the Lancaster remodeled, or the Hurricane collection, sort of like what they did with the two P-40 models that they already had-- they released both at the same time, because their interiors were quite similar. I think that it would be the same with the Hurris, no?
Just my 0.02$ but don't flame me, please. These are just my thoughts.
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I'm all for the He-111, but confused why you don't think the Ju-88 is a true German bomber?
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moin
what about a hard nosed ju88 with some guns, used as destroyer or very havy fighter? would be a god counter part to the a20. and the model still exist.
cu christian
There was an attack version of the Do-17 that would probably be a fun and agile little gem.
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Yak3 and upgrade other Yaks to join it. The Yak IMO should have the same spread of representation as the Spitfire or 109 series.
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I'm all for the He-111, but confused why you don't think the Ju-88 is a true German bomber?
The Ju-88 works fine as a bomber, but it is kind of a jack of all trades--attack, torpedo-bomber, and its useful bombload is not really all that useful. The He-111 was designed as an airliner, but converted to a bomber that was mostly successful in the role it played. One thing that I wonder though, is which variant do you think would be added? Myself, I am inclined to believe it qould be either the 'P' or the 'H'. ~5000 lbs could be carried internally, rather the the Ju-88's 800 kg (?), with a combination of internal and external.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)
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moin
you said the bombload of the ju88 is not useful?? she carryes mor than the b-17 in game. lol btw 1000kg inside and 2000kg outside.
i would like to see this version of a dayfighter destroyer
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/Ju88FighterNeatPaintScheme-1.jpg)
cu christian
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B-17,
The Ju88A-4 carries 6,600lbs of bombs in AH.
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:x Wow... I'm sorry... I was away from my computer, and had no Aces High to refer to. Whoops.
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either the 'P' or the 'H'. ~5000 lbs could be carried internally, rather the the Ju-88's 800 kg (?), with a combination of internal and external.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)
You are extremely wrong.
It could carry 2000kg internally depending on the version, or it could carry 2 large bombs on external racks. The external racks could carry 1 1800kg (i.e. same as the Stuka's big cookie in-game) or 2x 1000kg bombs. Note, however, that the external mounted racks covered the bomb bay doors almost entirely, and you could not carry internal ord with external. It was simply a consideration that the vertical racks inside the He111 were small in size. Even if they could hold the bombs' weight, they couldn't fit the bombs' size, so they put the bombs on external racks.
The He111 is not important because it is better than the Ju88. The Ju88 is generally easier to produce, serverd in larger numbers and in greater roles, carried out more tasks, and carried more bombs higher and faster.
The He111 is important for an early war bomber with lesser capabilities before the Ju88 was as common. It is vital to have a slower bomber for a Battle of Britain scenario or any other Battle-of-(fillintheblank) from those early years. It was also found in other theaters.
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B17, not sure if you ran into this problem or not, but just keep in mind that 1000kg is roughly equal to 2200lbs. you have to multiply kilos by 2.2 to get a close estimate conversion to pounds. It seems a lot of people just look at the numbers in the hangar bomb load selection and don't consider kilos vs pounds. I had one player try to convince me that the 500lb bomb is a bigger and heavier bomb than the 250kg bomb in game.
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Yeah, I didn't convert.
Thank you, Krusty. :)
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moin
hello krusty, please explain why you are thinking that the you he 111 is better than the ju 88?
ju 88 is faster, better armed, carryes more, it can dive as the he111, or im wrong?
but the he 111 with v1 lounch option would be nice :D
cu christian
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I think krusty was saying the He111 is better for use in early war situations when compaired to the Ju88, because the Ju88 is faster and has a better usefull bombload it out performs other planes from the early war era. That being said, in the MA; Ju88 vs He111 the Ju88 is the better bomber.
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moin
ah, ok. sorry didn t get lol.
sure thats true.
cu christian
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I'm so glad we're using a thread entitled "next new aircraft" to talk about one we already have.
Besides, it should be the 410 - and I want the same kewl 2x12.7 rear defensive arma and the same kewl fence-type dive brakes. And it better have that kewl glass nose. I mean, I could see some risk with that but whoever ho's a 410 has to be pretty brassy anyway.
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I think krusty was saying the He111 is better for use in early war situations when compaired to the Ju88, because the Ju88 is faster and has a better usefull bombload it out performs other planes from the early war era. That being said, in the MA; Ju88 vs He111 the Ju88 is the better bomber.
Precisamente! :aok
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I think krusty was saying the He111 is better for use in early war situations when compaired to the Ju88, because the Ju88 is faster and has a better usefull bombload it out performs other planes from the early war era. That being said, in the MA; Ju88 vs He111 the Ju88 is the better bomber.
I'd like to see a Wellington B.Mk III added eventually for the same reason. The Boston Mk III is just too fast for the Bf109E-4 and Bf110C-4b to counter.
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Short of some realistic throttle management for all heavy bombers so they don't run at unhistorical full speeds, that would be a good addition to the planeset.
But if in reality a Boston III outran the enemy fighters? Hah! Imagine it! As if!
That's why bombers in this game are way outta whack. They are the equivelant of Me262s for the fighter set.
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once again, you are all pansies. P47D22 is the next new A/C.
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The squadron that went from Boston Mk IIIs to Mosquito B.Mk IVs was apparently extremely happy to get the upgrade. I am not sure the upgrade would be all that significant in AH, going from about 340mph to 380mph.
skorpion,
What does the P-47D-22 bring to the table?
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What does the P-47D-22 bring to the table?
:rofl
It's like adding another Spitfire, or the TBF-1.
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My golden wishlist:
He-111
Ju-88 Heavy Fighter Variant
Me-210/410
He-219
Ju-87G
Bf110 (Remodeled and with more gun packages)
Arado 115 (At least one German plane for CVs please)
Gloster Meteor
Mustang I
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skorpion,
What does the P-47D-22 bring to the table?
another midwar plane, and another jug to play with. :D
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My golden wishlist:
He-111
Ju-88 Heavy Fighter Variant
Me-210/410
He-219
Ju-87G
Bf110 (Remodeled and with more gun packages)
Arado 115 (At least one German plane for CVs please)
Gloster Meteor
Mustang I
Your bias is showing. Also, no German aircraft operated from carriers in WWII, thus none will in AH. The three carrier operators were the United States of America, the Empire of Japan and the United Kingdom.
another midwar plane, and another jug to play with. :D
Would it be midwar?
Also, what does it add that is different from the P-47D-11 or P-47D-25?
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Your bias is showing. Also, no German aircraft operated from carriers in WWII, thus none will in AH. The three carrier operators were the United States of America, the Empire of Japan and the United Kingdom.
Would it be midwar?
Also, what does it add that is different from the P-47D-11 or P-47D-25?
faster than a D11, carries more ords (same as D25) and is a bit tougher than both.
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faster than a D11, carries more ords (same as D25) and is a bit tougher than both.
When did it enter service and what makes it tougher?
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Your bias is showing. Also, no German aircraft operated from carriers in WWII, thus none will in AH. The three carrier operators were the United States of America, the Empire of Japan and the United Kingdom.
Would it be midwar?
Also, what does it add that is different from the P-47D-11 or P-47D-25?
Jeez Karnak, it's a wishlist, you don't have to one-up everyone. I like German Iron. Give me a break.
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When did it enter service and what makes it tougher?
all razorback jugs were tougher than the bubble canopy jugs, they were just more resistant to damage. it entered service around late 1943 i believe.
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titanic3,
Well, you picked some real lousy German aircraft. A couple nice ones too, but largely lousy ones.
skorpion,
You mentioned it would be tougher than the P-47D-11 as well. Was that unintentional?
As I understood it the P-47D-11 entered service in Nov. or Dec. of 1943, barely making it a midwar aircraft.
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titanic3,
Well, you picked some real lousy German aircraft. A couple nice ones too, but largely lousy ones.
Like I said...it's a WISH. You don't have to go all out on MY wish. We both know the chances of some of these planes making it into the game are slim, but again...it's a WISH.
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Yup, just wondering why you're wishing for some very crappy German aircraft. I don't mean He111 crappy, as it had its day. I mean Ar15/He219 crappy, never had their day.
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Yup, just wondering why you're wishing for some very crappy German aircraft. I don't mean He111 crappy, as it had its day. I mean Ar15/He219 crappy, never had their day.
people say that the TBM is crappy in game. but thats because most people dont know how to use it effectivly then get killed in it. im sure the He219/Ar15(isnt that a gun?) would be great planes if they were used correctly.
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people say that the TBM is crappy in game. but thats because most people dont know how to use it effectivly then get killed in it. im sure the He219/Ar15(isnt that a gun?) would be great planes if they were used correctly.
I am not talking about planes that are crappy, or might be, in the game. I am talking about planes that were crappy in reality.
It is one thing to favor a nation's units, maybe you like the history, maybe the aesthetics appeal to you (you have to agree, the Germans had some great looking stuff) or maybe something else. It is another thing entirely to have such little consideration as to wish for historically insignificant and crappy aircraft for your favored side over more worthy things from other sides.
It is pretty obvious that I like British and Japanese aircraft, but you will never see me advocating for the Fairey Battle over something like a Ju88G or Yak-3. Frankly, you'll never find me advocating for something like the Fairey Battle at all as it would be a waste of dev resources. The B5N2 will stand in for it just fine.
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It is one thing to favor a nation's units, maybe you like the history, maybe the aesthetics appeal to you (you have to agree, the Germans had some great looking stuff)
the only "good looking" german aircraft was the ones in the ground on fire or the ones that that are on fire in the sky full of bullet holes. on the other hand, the tiger 2 was the second best looking tank in WW2 :banana:
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Which was the best looking in your opinion?
I like the Tiger II and T-34/85.
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Which was the best looking in your opinion?
I like the Tiger II and T-34/85.
M26 Pershing. sexy beast, was a great looking tank :rock
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M26 Pershing. sexy beast, was a great looking tank :rock
Ah. American tanks are too rounded for my tastes.
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me109T
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me109T
Stinky bait. :p
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Its been well documented the Japanese had a near impossible time shooting down american bombers during the war, in fact they had very few aircraft that could in fact bring down a B-17 until late midwar, by then the B-29 was operational which created even more of a problem since it flew high and fast.
If I recall, they had numerous design ideas, however I don't think the Japanese ever really had a solution until the war was lost.
B-29's flew high & fast early however they hit near nothing while bombing.
Lemay forced them low when he took over & the Japanese started getting more success in bringing them down.
The Japanese ran out of everything planes pilots fuel ammo so they never did find a solution.
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Where is Ki-43? :eek:
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Stinky bait. :p
109T flew missions, scored kills, had a larger wing and a different loadout from all the other 109s.
It was the only "short field" 109 and was used as such by JG11 and JG77 because it was the only high performance fighter that could take off from the tiny runways.
Sure, they didn't make many but it's a very different 109 with very different performance that is confirmed to have flown missions and scored more kills than some planes that exist in the game currently.
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moin
109 T would be a nice option the ju87 for cv too.
for the tanks i would prefer the
cromwell tank first, it is realy fast (60km/h) and do have a nice gun. its a nice over all combination, i would say it mus be alidel better as the PIV
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg/800px-Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg)
of cours the peshing would be cool too
but first we need the he 111 vi rocket louncher hehe.
cu christian
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once again, you are all pansies. P47D22 is the next new A/C.
We don't need no stinking Jugs, We have enough of them. I like them, but come on...? really, another one? -2 :huh
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moin
109 T would be a nice option the ju87 for cv too.
for the tanks i would prefer the
cromwell tank first, it is realy fast (60km/h) and do have a nice gun. its a nice over all combination, i would say it mus be alidel better as the PIV
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg/800px-Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg)
of cours the peshing would be cool too
but first we need the he 111 vi rocket louncher hehe.
cu christian
Well in game it would only go 32mph, not 60km/h - It had a governed engine due to the suspension system, otherwise the tank would tear itself apart.
There is a variety of Cromwell tanks to be added, which would be a pretty nice edition -
Cromwell I with a 75 mm ROQF Mk V gun (think of the Sherman 75)
Cromwell VI with a 95mm Howitzer would be nice for town killing or bases, however useless against tanks.
Cromwell VII had over 100mm of armor but didn't see much combat so its out of the question.
The Challanger was a Cromwell chassis built with a 17lb Gun, however I think the numbers were under 200 built total? It was to rival the Firefly to see which was easier to build or something to that nature.
Overall, it wouldn't fair much against the Sherman 76 or T34, but another stop gap in GV's we could use, and would probably get good use rather then the Panzer 4.
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We don't need no stinking Jugs, We have enough of them. I like them, but come on...? really, another one? -2 :huh
lets see, we have the spit1,5,8,9,14,16. we have the 109e,f,g2,g6,g14,k4 we have the p47d11,d25,d40,M,N. why cant we have a 6th like the 109 or spit? hmm? people complain we have too many jugs but they dont realize we have less jugs than the 109 and spit. so, more jugs.
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lets see, we have the spit1,5,8,9,14,16. we have the 109e,f,g2,g6,g14,k4 we have the p47d11,d25,d40,M,N. why cant we have a 6th like the 109 or spit? hmm? people complain we have too many jugs but they dont realize we have less jugs than the 109 and spit. so, more jugs.
P-47 didn't serve from 1939 to 1945. We actually have a higher density of P-47 models than of Bf109 or Spitfire models. In the time period represented by the P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-40, P-47M and P-47N the Bf109s are represented by the Bf109G-6, Bf109G-14 and Bf109K-4 while the Spitfires are represented by the Spitfire Mk VIII, Spitfire Mk XIV and Spitfire Mk XVI. Five P-47s against three each for the Bf109 and Spitfire. Also, the differences between those Spits and 109s are significantly larger than the differences between the P-47D-22 and the P-47D-11 and P-47D-25.
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We certainly don't need more spitfires or Jugs, or 109s for that matter unless someone wants to add versions of the 109 for high alt.
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We certainly don't need more spitfires or Jugs, or 109s for that matter unless someone wants to add versions of the 109 for high alt.
Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be great.
Only Spitfire line addition that I think is really significant would be a Seafire L.Mk III.
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The only jug I think of is the C-model that would fit in good in scenarios.
A Weight-fixed FW190a8 and the FW-190a9 as well as the 190a2 come on top of my list
ki43 is the most fun 2vs2 plan you can find.
Clipped spit5Vb is almost a must vs the 109F (and that one with gondolas too)
Fix so the darned 4-engine bombers have to stay slower if they dont want to lose their drones.
Currently you can hardly overtake a b17 @ 20k in a 110g2
and the stug3 for the tankers out there
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The only jug I think of is the C-model that would fit in good in scenarios.
A Weight-fixed FW190a8 and the FW-190a9 as well as the 190a2 come on top of my list
ki43 is the most fun 2vs2 plan you can find.
Clipped spit5Vb is almost a must vs the 109F (and that one with gondolas too)
Fix so the darned 4-engine bombers have to stay slower if they dont want to lose their drones.
Currently you can hardly overtake a b17 @ 20k in a 110g2
and the stug3 for the tankers out there
stug 3 ftw! :rock
as for the P46C you want, it would be best to take the P47C6. it would be another midwar plane that we could use.
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save,
Clipped Spit V was later. The version we have now is appropriate against the Bf109F-4 and gondolas are not really appropriate for the Bf109F-4.
I like your idea on the drones. Have an arena option for bomber drones fly at cruise settings so you have to choose to fly at cruise or take a single ship and go fast. I don't think it would be a good setting for the LWA, but for scenarios or the AvA it would be a good thing.
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Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be great.
Only Spitfire line addition that I think is really significant would be a Seafire L.Mk III.
Yeah my reason for the AS models is frankly we have very limited bomber interceptors that can handle the job at high Alt. Sure 109k4/G14/d9 can do the job with some speed, however what other options do we have available?
I wouldn't mind cruising around at 25k if there was some more options to intercept buffs, however given the time to intercept climb rate is an issue mainly.
Sure a P47 could do the job for example, but trying to climb to 25k gives the bomber time to run home like most do.
The G.55 comes to mind, not sure what it did around 20-25k though I assume it and the Ki-100 would be interesting at alt (although i am not making claims here just curious)
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Yeah my reason for the AS models is frankly we have very limited bomber interceptors that can handle the job at high Alt. Sure 109k4/G14/d9 can do the job with some speed, however what other options do we have available?
I wouldn't mind cruising around at 25k if there was some more options to intercept buffs, however given the time to intercept climb rate is an issue mainly.
Sure a P47 could do the job for example, but trying to climb to 25k gives the bomber time to run home like most do.
The G.55 comes to mind, not sure what it did around 20-25k though I assume it and the Ki-100 would be interesting at alt (although i am not making claims here just curious)
spit14. that bird has the fourth(?) best climb rate in game i believe.
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spit14. that bird has the fourth(?) best climb rate in game i believe.
Sure i've intercepted a few buffs with it, wish it had 4x20mm however, I'm lucky to nail one or two with a full ammo count.
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Sure i've intercepted a few buffs with it, wish it had 4x20mm however, I'm lucky to nail one or two with a full ammo count.
the spit14 has enough power to take down maybe 3 formations of B17's. you just gotta aim for the wingtips...:devil
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Problem with Spitfires as bomber interceptors is that they are so extremely fragile. Look at how bad the Spitfire Mk Ia does compared to the Hurricane Mk I in any Battle of Britain scenario, despite the Hurri's pathetic speed.
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Problem with Spitfires as bomber interceptors is that they are so extremely fragile. Look at how bad the Spitfire Mk Ia does compared to the Hurricane Mk I in any Battle of Britain scenario, despite the Hurri's pathetic speed.
What are the reasons the spitfire did not perform in the FSO? Lack of pilot experience? Hurricane's pathetic speed has nothing to do with pilot experience. The spitfire performed poorly for whatever reason they did, it could of been "poor planning" or "overwhelming numbers" or in real case scenario "poor piloting". One can give a number of reasons for an excuse, in the end the victor comes out - and in the battle of britain the hurricane did win.
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What are the reasons the spitfire did not perform in the FSO? Lack of pilot experience? Hurricane's pathetic speed has nothing to do with pilot experience. The spitfire performed poorly for whatever reason they did, it could of been "poor planning" or "overwhelming numbers" or in real case scenario "poor piloting". One can give a number of reasons for an excuse, in the end the victor comes out - and in the battle of britain the hurricane did win.
Because it is too fragile and Ju88s have too easy a time downing it.
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lets see, we have the spit1,5,8,9,14,16. we have the 109e,f,g2,g6,g14,k4 we have the p47d11,d25,d40,M,N. why cant we have a 6th like the 109 or spit?
A 6th! One of the most common fighter types of WWII is represented by 2 ac (one of which is a comparitive rarity)
More common Yaks .............
Yak1, Yak1b, Yak7b, Yak9D, Yak9T, Yak9DD, Yak3, Yak9M, Yak9U
I would not wish for them all but a more representative spread would be beneficial. Every year we run BOB yet cannot run Barbarossa to the Battle of Moscow or even a proper Stalingrad / Kursk
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109T flew missions, scored kills, had a larger wing and a different loadout from all the other 109s.
It was the only "short field" 109 and was used as such by JG11 and JG77 because it was the only high performance fighter that could take off from the tiny runways.
Sure, they didn't make many but it's a very different 109 with very different performance that is confirmed to have flown missions and scored more kills than some planes that exist in the game currently.
It was basically a modified 109E That ended up in Norway in the backwater of the war after the notion of a German carrier ended up 'sinking'. It was not some superior performing bird.
With that kind of talk, we'll have to make the push for my Spitfire XII. That one did see serious combat :)
In fact, it's a deal. You can have the 109T and I get the Spit XII :aok
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It wasn't superior but it's flying characteristics were very different from all other 109 variants and it had superior low speed performance in comparison to them.
That said, I doubt there is any turn data that exists for that variant and it was rare.
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Ki-43, at least two versions
P-40, fill out selection (true B, F and maybe the N).
Yak-3, and maybe a another Yak-9 variant
Beaufighter, two versions
Ki-61, redo and add another variant (maybe even Ki-100)
C.202 and C.205, redo and add C.200
B-26B, redo
Also, in no particular order....
Ki-44
Lagg-3 (for 1941 and early war scenarios)
Fiat G55
Pe-2
P-47, add D-10 and give D-11 paddle blade prop (D-11 would become D-10, and D-11 would get revised performance model and wing pylons)
J2M3
He-111 (would get limited use in LWMA, but useful in EWMA)
A-26A
That's enough to keep HTC busy for several years.....
u forgot the HE177
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B-17 FREAKING F!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or E, would be acceptable. :D
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u forgot the HE177
no.
P47D22 over the HE177 any day.
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I'm just happy when new fighters are added.
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I want an aircraft thats a figther and will compete in the Late war arena
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I want an aircraft thats a figther and will compete in the Late war arena
Those are getting scarce.
Yak-3 would probably top the list. G.55, J2M3/J2M5 or Ki-44-II might also make the list. I can't think of anything the Germans, Americans or Brits have that would be a new airframe and was actually used during the war other than the Meteor Mk III, He162, Do335 and P-63, all of which are debatable to one degree or another.
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He 111
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He 111
It's overdue. :aok
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Those are getting scarce.
Yak-3 would probably top the list. G.55, J2M3/J2M5 or Ki-44-II might also make the list. I can't think of anything the Germans, Americans or Brits have that would be a new airframe and was actually used during the war other than the Meteor Mk III, He162, Do335 and P-63, all of which are debatable to one degree or another.
I still think that anything with the 410's top speed, armament, and lead-shot nose is going to be dangerous, if flown well. I suppose it depends on how you define competitive. I think the 410's fence-type dive braves and twin 12.7 defensive will add to its versatility - and is going to provide a nast surprise on occasion. A 1:1 monster it isn't, but I suspect it'll make a great Grosseschlag threat, especially en masse, and will be a serious BnZ threat to Mr. Spitty. Speaking of this last, I wonder what kind of roll rate it had?
I also reckon it'll be able to provide a decent parting shot as it exits the box...
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I still think that anything with the 410's top speed, armament, and lead-shot nose is going to be dangerous, if flown well. I suppose it depends on how you define competitive. I think the 410's fence-type dive braves and twin 12.7 defensive will add to its versatility - and is going to provide a nast surprise on occasion. A 1:1 monster it isn't, but I suspect it'll make a great Grosseschlag threat, especially en masse, and will be a serious BnZ threat to Mr. Spitty. Speaking of this last, I wonder what kind of roll rate it had?
I also reckon it'll be able to provide a decent parting shot as it exits the box...
When people talk about competitive in the LWA I don't think they mean something like the Mosquito Mk VI and the Mosquito Mk VI is likely substantially superior air-to-air to the Me410.
I think what they mean would bottom out at about Ki-84 levels of capability.
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If it's a little better in several ways than the Bf110G-2, I will be very pleased. :salute
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I'd love to see the FW190A8/R3. This varient of the 190 series was the ultimate bomber interceptor. It's armorment comprised of 2 12.7 mg,2 20mm cannons, 2 30mm cannons, and 2 300mm gondolas. What more could you ask for!!!! :devil :salute :salute
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I'd love to see the FW190A8/R3. This varient of the 190 series was the ultimate bomber interceptor. It's armorment comprised of 2 12.7 mg,2 20mm cannons, 2 30mm cannons, and 2 300mm gondolas. What more could you ask for!!!! :devil :salute :salute
300mm guns on a plane?
does anyone find that kind of impossible?
but hey, if its another buff hunter ill take it!
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I'd love to see the FW190A8/R3. This varient of the 190 series was the ultimate bomber interceptor. It's armorment comprised of 2 12.7 mg,2 20mm cannons, 2 30mm cannons, and 2 300mm gondolas. What more could you ask for!!!! :devil :salute :salute
Isn't that more of asking for an additional loadout option for the Fw190A-8 and less asking for a new plane?
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From a scenario perspective (generally picking a country's highest-production aircraft not already in the game), the best planes to add would be as follows.
He 111 (Important for Battle of Britain)
Yak 1 (For Eastern Front)
D4Y (Most-produced Japanese dive bomber, taking over for early-war D3A)
B6N (Most-produced Japanese torpedo bomber, taking over for the early-war B5N)
Pe-2 (Most-produced Soviet attack plane other than Il-2, for Eastern Front)
Ki-43
TBD (not as highly produced as TBM, but important for Battle of Coral Sea)
Aircraft production in WWII
---- US ----
For the US, here are the production fighters, with numbers produced listed (from America's Hundred Thousand):
P-47, 15683
P-51, 15486
P-40, 13143
F6F, 12275
F4U, 11514
P-38, 10037
P-39, 9529
F4F/FM, 7905
For bombers (from https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/AAFaircraft.htm and others):
B-24, 18190
B-17, 12692
B-25, 9186
A-20, 7385
B-26, 5157
TBM, 9837
SB2C, 7140 <--- not yet in AH
SBD, 5936
---- JAPAN ----
IJN aircraft from http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/ijnaf.htm and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Japan%2C_World_War_II
A6M Zero, 10449
Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar), 5919
Ki-84 Hayate (Frank), 3449
Ki-61 Hien (Tony), 3159
Ki-45 Toryu (Nick), 1701
Ki-44 Shoki (Tojo), 1225
A5M (Claude), 1094
J2M Raiden (Jack), 476
N1K Shiden (George), 415
D4Y Suisei (Judy), 2038
D3A Aichi (Val), 1495
B6N Tenzan (Jill), 1268
B5N (Kate), 1149
B7A Ryusei (Grace), 114
G4M (Betty), 2446
Ki-21 (Sally), 2064
P1Y Ginga (Frances), 1098
G3M (Nell), 1048
Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy), 767
---- RUSSIA ----
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html
Yak-9, 16769
La-5, 9920
I-16, 9004
Yak-1, 8720
Yak-7, 6339
LaGG-3, 6258
La-7, 5753
P-39, 5007 (from US)
Yak-3, 4848
MiG-3, 3120
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
Il-2, 29937
Pe-2, 11427
SB-2, 6656
Il-4, 5256
A-20, 2700 (from US)
Tu-2, 2527
DB-3, 1528
---- UK ----
From Wikipedia entries starting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_RAF and using http://www.rafweb.org/aircraftA-D.htm to judge which are WWII aircraft.
Spitfire, 20351
Hurricane, 14000
Typhoon, 3330
Seafire, 2334
Tempest, 1702
Defiant, 1064
Mosquito, 7781
Beaufighter, 5928
Beaufort, 2080
Wellington, 11461
Lancaster, 7377
Halifax, 6176
Blenheim, 4422
Stirling, 2383
Whitley, 1737
Hampden, 1430
Martin Baltimore, 1575 (from US)
Douglas Boston
Brewster Buffalo
B-17
Douglas Havoc
Curtiss Kittyhawk
B-24
Martin Marauder
Martin Maryland
B-25
Curtis Mohawk
P-51
P-47
Vultee Vengence
Lockheed Ventura
---- Germany ----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_production_during_WW2, but using individual entries for aircraft production.
Bf 109, 35000
FW 190, 20010
Bf 110, 15000
Me 262, 1430
Ju 88, 15000
He 111, 7300
Do 217, 1366
He 177, 1146
Ju 87, 6000
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Many of the recent additions (B-25, G4M, P-39, Brewster, M4A3) were great additions for scenarios. Thank you, HTC!
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Brooke,
Your N1K numbers were for the N1K2. If you add in the numbers for the N1K1-J you end up at about 1400 for the N1K series.
You're also missing the Ju188. :p
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Ju-87G would see much use in the MA.
Me-410 would be a nice perked version of a 110, lightly perked at 5.0
Ju-88G6 would also see use as a heavy fighter/jabo.
He-111 late war variant would be on par with the Ki-67 as a medium bomber, which still gets used from time to time.
Ju-188 could be another lightly perked bomber, perhaps 15.0 for each, 45.0 for a formation.
Me-262-A2 with 24x R4Ms rockets would definately be an instant favorite of mine despite losing 2x Mk108s.
These are all German planes that IMO, would definately see extensive use in the MA. Ju-87G has guns just a bit stronger than the Il-2's. The Me-410 would be a faster, more heavily armed 110G. Late war He-111s has the firepower and speed matching that of a Ki-67, which does get used in the MA as a decent town killer/points farming. The Ju-188 is basically a souped up Ju-88 in every category. The Ju-88G would definately have it's uses as a heavy fighter/town killer/de-acker, plus it would allow for some night scenarios. The Me-262-A2 would definately be fun to use and add a bit more versatility to it.
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Ju-87G would see much use in the MA.
It would see use, though its limited ammo capacity would keep that lower than you might think.
Me-410 would be a nice perked version of a 110, lightly perked at 5.0
In no way does the Me410's performance or capability warrant it being perked.
Ju-88G6 would also see use as a heavy fighter/jabo.
A late fighter version of the Ju88 would be nice.
He-111 late war variant would be on par with the Ki-67 as a medium bomber, which still gets used from time to time.
There is no He111 on par with the Ki-67. Other than the Japanese Army's absurdly low bombload requirement the Ki-67 is far superior to the He111. The He111 got slower and slower as the war went on and they added more and more weight. It was ~80mph slower than the Ki-67 at the end. The best version of the He111 we could get would be a Battle of Britain era He111 for scenarios. No He111 ever came close the the Ki-67's speed and I am curious where you got the idea that it did?
Ju-188 could be another lightly perked bomber, perhaps 15.0 for each, 45.0 for a formation.
The Ju188A is in no way worthy of being perked. It would be about as survivable, perhaps a bit less, than the Ki-67 but would carry more bombs.
Me-262-A2 with 24x R4Ms rockets would definately be an instant favorite of mine despite losing 2x Mk108s.
I believe you are conflating two different Me262s. The version with only two 30mm cannons was a jabo that also carried two 250kg (500kg?) bombs. The version that carried the R4M was just a slight change on the one we have in AH already and it retained the four 30mm cannons.
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300mm guns on a plane?
does anyone find that kind of impossible?
but hey, if its another buff hunter ill take it!
oops sorry, meant 30mm :uhoh :cheers:
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Isn't that more of asking for an additional loadout option for the Fw190A-8 and less asking for a new plane?
Actually not,it was it's own varient :salute
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It would see use, though its limited ammo capacity would keep that lower than you might think.
The limited ammo (30 rounds total IIRC?) is still enough to offer lots of kills. And I may be wrong, but I *think* the Gustav version could carry ordnance as well, making it slightly better than the Hurri-2D but just a bit behind the IL-2
In no way does the Me410's performance or capability warrant it being perked.A late fighter version of the Ju88 would be nice.
A small perk, IMO, would be needed because no one would use the 110G otherwise when the 410 could do its job better
There is no He111 on par with the Ki-67. Other than the Japanese Army's absurdly low bombload requirement the Ki-67 is far superior to the He111. The He111 got slower and slower as the war went on and they added more and more weight. It was ~80mph slower than the Ki-67 at the end. The best version of the He111 we could get would be a Battle of Britain era He111 for scenarios. No He111 ever came close the the Ki-67's speed and I am curious where you got the idea that it did?
I never mentioned speed in my post, it would have a MG-FF equivalent to the KI-67's Ho-5, and sacrifice speed for more bombload. And if HTC decides to add the late war variants which used guided missiles and air launched V-1s, it would definately see huge uses, for fun factor and a special use that no other aircraft possess. (the same way you see guys flying D3A1s into furballs)
The Ju188A is in no way worthy of being perked. It would be about as survivable, perhaps a bit less, than the Ki-67 but would carry more bombs.
While it would perform almost the same as the Ju-88C, it had a slightly better defensive armament, which IMO, deserves a *small* perk price, maybe something small like 5.0 for each (15.0 was too much, you're right)
I believe you are conflating two different Me262s. The version with only two 30mm cannons was a jabo that also carried two 250kg (500kg?) bombs. The version that carried the R4M was just a slight change on the one we have in AH already and it retained the four 30mm cannons.
Ah, then let's add both versions then. :aok 2x MK108s for 2x 500KG bombs, or 4x MK108s and 24x R4Ms
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Ahem.
Late war He-111s has the firepower and speed matching that of a Ki-67
The He111's defensive firepower was never as good as the Ki-67s. An MG/FF is not as good as an Ho-5. Try the G4M1 out for a bit, it has a Type 99 Model 1 in the tail and that is effectively the same gun in a better position than the He111 would have.
Perking something to make sure something else still gets used is ridiculous. People will use the Bf110 if they 1) like the Bf110 and 2) want something more agile than the Me410.
Perking the Ju188 and not perking the B-17G would also be absurd. Once again, that it is better than the Ju88 in no way means it needs to be perked.
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Brooke,
Your N1K numbers were for the N1K2. If you add in the numbers for the N1K1-J you end up at about 1400 for the N1K series.
You're also missing the Ju188. :p
Thanks for the corrections. I'll update my list. <S>
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I'd love to see the FW190A8/R3. This varient of the 190 series was the ultimate bomber interceptor. It's armorment comprised of 2 12.7 mg,2 20mm cannons, 2 30mm cannons, and 2 300mm gondolas. What more could you ask for!!!! :devil :salute :salute
A turn rate that's slightly better than a 747?
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Wow, this plane has such weak armament, I would love to just vulch this thing with a Jug, 110, or something heavy in weapons packages.
~The Blue Pill
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A turn rate that's slightly better than a 747?
Bombers don't turn when over target :devil
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A turn rate that's slightly better than a 747?
LOL it was for killing bombers, definitely nog dogfighting twit16's or pony's!!!! Although if you got a shot on them they would go BOOM!!! :airplane: :salute :salute :salute
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OOPS I meant "not" lol :o :salute
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Merchant ship launched hurricane using rocket assist.
They scored 8 victorys to 1 loss in the war.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Hawker_Hurricane_W9182_On_CAM_Ship.jpg)
Hurricane with rear gunner.
(http://airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/hurr2/hurr2-5.jpg)
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Ki-84-I-b (Otsu) pleeeease....it can be added easily in AH!
20mm*4 would be nice for buffs, and it can fly at 660km/h (410mph) at 6000m (19685feet)!
:pray
(http://park1.wakwak.com/~azu//upload/ki842.jpg)
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Ki-84-I-b (Otsu) pleeeease....it can be added easily in AH!
20mm*4 would be nice for buffs, and it can fly at 660km/h (410mph) at 6000m (19685feet)!
:pray
(http://park1.wakwak.com/~azu//upload/ki842.jpg)
yeah but how does it do at 42,000 feet? :devil
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A turn rate that's slightly better than a 747?
you beat me to it :old: