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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tyrannis on September 02, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
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Been flying in mid war alot, And im starting to like the P47D11 in there. Solid aircraft, decent speed.
The only problem is most of the Bish fly nothing but the f6f in there and Im not very knowledgeable at flying p47's.
So what are some tactics a p47D11 can use against an f6f in combat? if any at all?
:salute
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High speeds and chopped throttle over shoots
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Been flying in mid war alot, And im starting to like the P47D11 in there. Solid aircraft, decent speed.
The only problem is most of the Bish fly nothing but the f6f in there and Im not very knowledgeable at flying p47's.
So what are some tactics a p47D11 can use against an f6f in combat? if any at all?
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Depends on what situation you are in and what kind of dogfighting you like best. Generally speaking you want to maintain a speed and altitude advantage on the F6F. Or against any opponent for that matter. The Jug is in its element as long as the enemy is below you because you can then use your 8 x .50 cals and dive ability to tear the enemy up. If the F6F you are fighting is a seasoned pilot and knows what he is doing, you will have your hands full. If he also happens to have an altitude advantage over you, then chances are you are going to lose the fight.
The D11, being the lightest of the P47 lineup in game, also turns the best. So make sure you are light on gas if you intend to turn 'n burn. You will also find that the Jugs are probably the worst in its class in terms of climb rate and acceleration (except the M). Fortunately the engine torque isn't too much. The P47's engine torque isn't like that of a 109. If you happen to be nose high, you can easily recover the stall spin with a little bit of rudder.
Try to make tight left turns when you are low and slow. You want to turn in the direction of your engine torque. Work your flaps. Don't keep all your flaps out in the entire fight. Use them only as you need them.
Hope this helps.
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Depends on what situation you are in and what kind of dogfighting you like best. Generally speaking you want to maintain a speed and altitude advantage on the F6F. Or against any opponent for that matter. The Jug is in its element as long as the enemy is below you because you can then use your 8 x .50 cals and dive ability to tear the enemy up. If the F6F you are fighting is a seasoned pilot and knows what he is doing, you will have your hands full. If he also happens to have an altitude advantage over you, then chances are you are going to lose the fight.
The D11, being the lightest of the P47 lineup in game, also turns the best. So make sure you are light on gas if you intend to turn 'n burn. You will also find that the Jugs are probably the worst in its class in terms of climb rate and acceleration (except the M). Fortunately the engine torque isn't too much. The P47's engine torque isn't like that of a 109. If you happen to be nose high, you can easily recover the stall spin with a little bit of rudder.
Try to make tight left turns when you are low and slow. You want to turn in the direction of your engine torque. Work your flaps. Don't keep all your flaps out in the entire fight. Use them only as you need them.
Hope this helps.
Generally, All the f6f pilots In MW tend to be alt monkies. Climbing to 15-20K before heading into enemy territory. The past 3 engagements ive had with an f6f in MW the hellcat had the alt/E advantage on me (Not counting TonyJoeys on the deck HO shot)
I generally take the 425rpm 6+50 cal option with 75%, Climb to 10-12K before i head to a base.
The left turn may help tho, I usually turn to the Right. I'll try the left turning. See if that helps. Thanks :salute
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If I wanted to fly a P-47 with 6 .50's I'd just up a F6F. :)
The advantage the P-47 has in this case is speed, firepower, and roll rate. The hellcat can out turn and out climb you. If you don't start with the altitude advantage you're going to have to try and force an overshoot early, if the F6F doesn't bite. Or if the fight drags out and E is lost then he's going to hold most of the cards.
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Been flying in mid war alot, And im starting to like the P47D11 in there. Solid aircraft, decent speed.
The only problem is most of the Bish fly nothing but the f6f in there and Im not very knowledgeable at flying p47's.
So what are some tactics a p47D11 can use against an f6f in combat? if any at all?
:salute
the D11 is very manuverable (in my hands) and if used correctly can easily outturn a F6F if you know what to do and when. if you ever need to get away from him (higher than 5k) just dive. he will NEVER keep up with you unless hes diving on you from 10k or higher. the jug can outturn alot of planes, P51,F6F,P38,Spit9(depends on how agressivly your flying the D11) and the F4U. those are the planes that are outturned by the jug that i could come up with off the top of my head. what really matters is the situation you find yourself in. theres no "do this and this" for every situation, if you want help your going to need to list what alts and what packages you take on the jug.
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the D11 is very manuverable (in my hands) and if used correctly can easily outturn a F6F
Umm... No. An F6F will eat any P-47 for lunch in a turn fight much less be "easily out-turned".
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Umm... No. An F6F will eat any P-47 for lunch in a turn fight much less be "easily out-turned".
you obviously have never seen me fight in the p47d11 let alone any other jug. so unless you have the facts, dont make the accusation.
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F6F outclimbs, outturns, and have enough firepower to bring down the D-11. It's also faster. Only reason a D-11 would be a F6F is because he was higher or had more E.
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you obviously have never seen me fight in the p47d11 let alone any other jug. so unless you have the facts, dont make the accusation.
If you fly that D11 anything like you did your hellkitty back in the DA then you truly have no idea what you are saying.
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If you fly that D11 anything like you did your hellkitty back in the DA then you truly have no idea what you are saying.
aww tyrannis, if your in love with me just say so.
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aww tyrannis, if your in love with me just say so.
:huh :uhoh :bolt:
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:rofl
you dont get the joke do you?
stupidity is wasted on the dumb i guess.
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:rofl
you dont get the joke do you?
stupidity is wasted on the dumb i guess.
I think scorpions begining to hump my ankle again. :uhoh
Its spring all over again :bhead
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I think scorpions begining to hump my ankle again. :uhoh
Its spring all over again :bhead
:rofl i'd love to explain the joke to you, but you dont know it and id find it much more amusing watching the less intelligent trying to figure it out.
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they both have the same engine, yes?
(not up on my variants of R2800's)
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:rofl i'd love to explain the joke to you, but you dont know it and id find it much more amusing watching the less intelligent trying to figure it out.
I get the joke, The way you executed it tho is the stupidity of it all.
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I get the joke, The way you executed it tho is the stupidity of it all.
if you "get the joke" then please explain it to me. the only stupidity here, is near you.
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you obviously have never seen me fight in the p47d11 let alone any other jug. so unless you have the facts, dont make the accusation.
It doesn't make one bit of difference whether I've seen you fight in a P-47 or not. You can't make the plane do things it can't do. Period.
You make the common mistake of thinking you're better than you are because you ran into a n00b and out fought him. Against an equal pilot you wouldn't stand a chance against an F6F without some sort of E advantage.
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It doesn't make one bit of difference whether I've seen you fight in a P-47 or not. You can't make the plane do things it can't do. Period.
You make the common mistake of thinking you're better than you are because you ran into a n00b and out fought him. Against an equal pilot you wouldn't stand a chance against an F6F without some sort of E advantage.
heres something that would help shed some light on this. its the pilot, not the plane. try training in the D11 for 4 months like i did and then come back and say that.
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heres something that would help shed some light on this. its the pilot, not the plane. try training in the D11 for 4 months like i did and then come back and say that.
You vs a noob, Its the pilot.
You vs someone of equal level or Is skilled in an f6f,Its the plane.
I agree with everyone here, the f6f can outperform the p47D11 easily. Which is why im asking for advice on Engaging f6f's in the p47, From what ive read, It's best to try to keep and E/alt advantage on the F6F, If you get dragged down to equal terms with him, your done.
Ty to all the people who Gave Good advice on the subject :salute Gonna practise BnZ'ing in MW now.
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You vs a noob, Its the pilot.
You vs someone of equal level or Is skilled in an f6f,Its the plane.
so...they have a plane with the same engine, less guns and about the same fuel. the D11 *in my hands* could kill a f6f with maybe a 500ft alt gain or equally level on the deck. its not necisarrily the plane thats working. a plane isnt a plane without a pilot, and the pilot, is the plane.
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so...they have a plane with the same engine, less guns and about the same fuel. the D11 *in my hands* could kill a f6f with maybe a 500ft alt gain or equally level on the deck. its not necisarrily the plane thats working. a plane isnt a plane without a pilot, and the pilot, is the plane.
If you feel so confident about your D11 abilities, Then Challenge one of the various skilled F6F pilots here on the boards, record it, then post the video of you killing it "in your hands". To back up what you say, of course.
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If you feel so confident about your D11 abilities, Then Challenge one of the various skilled F6F pilots here on the boards, record it, then post the video of you killing it "in your hands". To back up what you say, of course.
ok, first, let me aquire the 15 $ and the time to do it. then let me download a program to load the video in, and show it. all for you. yeah, right. the hell im doing all of that for you. if you want proof then your just going to have to be there when i do it later on this year.
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heres something that would help shed some light on this. its the pilot, not the plane. try training in the D11 for 4 months like i did and then come back and say that.
I've spent 15 years flying the F6F as one of my four primary rides. When you're actually back in the game lets go to the DA and we'll test your elite skills.
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ok, first, let me aquire the 15 $ and the time to do it.
Mow yards for $20. Put money on a pre-paid card. What i did when i was a kid.
then let me download a program to load the video in, and show it.
Mediafire is free, no Downloading needed (least, i dont think so, dont remember downloading anything for it) All you need to do is upload your AH film viewer files onto it. And why would you be scared to show it to us if your confident of the D11 "in your hands"?
all for you. yeah, right. the hell im doing all of that for you.
I made this Topic for advice on how I can fight f6f's in D11s, You came on here giving your "Advice" to ME on how to do this, Your good to brag about your D11 skills in words but dont want to show a video of you proving it? Sounds like someones Bluff got called.
if you want proof then your just going to have to be there when i do it later on this year.
dont bother, i dont need to see it, Your posts alone are enough to tell me your merely talking out your backside and in reality you have no idea what your talking about.
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I've spent 15 years flying the F6F as one of my four primary rides. When you're actually back in the game lets go to the DA and we'll test your elite skills.
From what ive heard around the Boards, He's offline only right now. Im thinking he most likely Fought a couple A.I controlled f6f's in a D11 and now thinks the D11 is superior too it because he beat a couple of A.I's.
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the D11 is very manuverable (in my hands) and if used correctly can easily outturn a F6F if you know what to do and when. if you ever need to get away from him (higher than 5k) just dive. he will NEVER keep up with you unless hes diving on you from 10k or higher. the jug can outturn alot of planes, P51,F6F,P38,Spit9(depends on how agressivly your flying the D11) and the F4U. those are the planes that are outturned by the jug that i could come up with off the top of my head. what really matters is the situation you find yourself in. theres no "do this and this" for every situation, if you want help your going to need to list what alts and what packages you take on the jug.
is this bragging? please, get some brains and read.
I made this Topic for advice on how I can fight f6f's in D11s, You came on here giving your "Advice" to ME on how to do this, Your good to brag about your D11 skills in words but dont want to show a video of you proving it? dont bother, i dont need to see it, Your posts alone are enough to tell me your merely talking out your backside and in reality you have no idea what your talking about.
i cant proove it because im not online. honestly, do you even have a train of thought at all?
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A Jug can out-turn a Spit IX? That's laughable. What a n00b. It actually can't out-turn any of the planes you listed. :rofl
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the D11 is very manuverable (in my hands) and if used correctly can easily outturn a F6F if you know what to do and when. if you ever need to get away from him (higher than 5k) just dive. he will NEVER keep up with you unless hes diving on you from 10k or higher. the jug can outturn alot of planes, P51,F6F,P38,Spit9(depends on how agressivly your flying the D11) and the F4U. those are the planes that are outturned by the jug that i could come up with off the top of my head. what really matters is the situation you find yourself in. theres no "do this and this" for every situation, if you want help your going to need to list what alts and what packages you take on the jug.
Youve been trying to say that YOUR D11 is more maneuverable Than an f6f when everyone else is saying it is not, then when someone says to you its not, you come back with the "its the pilot, not the plane" Sounds like it is a bit of a brag. Saying because its YOU piloting the D11, Your able to outperform a plane that in reality, Outperforms you on almost every way.
i cant proove it because im not online. honestly, do you even have a train of thought at all?
If your not online then how can you say your D11 can outperform F6F's when your not online to fight f6f's piloted by real people, and not A.I's?
Thats like me Upping a p40B offline, getting into it with a K4, Shooting the A.I controlled K4 down, then say the P40B is better than the K4"In my hands"., When in reality in online the p40 cannot match the K4 on any ground.
I dont know why your still talking, Your bluff got exposed a couple posts ago, No one here believes your statements, And your too scared to attempt to prove your own words in a video. So your only talking out of ignorance now.
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Youve been trying to say that YOUR D11 is more maneuverable Than an f6f when everyone else is saying it is not, then when someone says to you its not, you come back with the "its the pilot, not the plane" Sounds like it is a bit of a brag. Saying because its YOU piloting the D11, Your able to outperform a plane that in reality, Outperforms you on almost every way.
If your online then how can you say your D11 can outperform F6F's when your not online to fight f6f's piloted by real people, and not A.I's?
Thats like me Upping a p40B offline, getting into it with a K4, Shooting the A.I controlled K4 down, then say the P40B is better than the K4"In my hands"., When in reality in online the p40 cannot match the K4 on any ground.
I dont know why your still talking, Your bluff got exposed a couple posts ago, No one here believes your statements, And your too scared to attempt to prove your own words in a video. So your only talking out of ignorance now.
please tell me how im scared to proove anything in videos if im NOT ONLINE? seriously, are you that stupid? or can you not read?
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please tell me how im scared to proove anything in videos if im NOT ONLINE? seriously, are you that stupid? or can you not read?
Are you lazy?
Get out, Mow a yard, do some choirs. Like i said i used to mow yards for $20 to spend on my AH sub when i was a kid.
Mow a yard, get the money, get re-subed, 1v1 eagle, Record it, Then post the results here to prove to everyone how skilled you are in a D11.
Are you too stupid to think up ways to earn money? Or do you usually need people to point out the obvious for you?
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Are you lazy?
Get out, Mow a yard, do some choirs. Like i said i used to mow yards for $20 to spend on my AH sub when i was a kid.
Mow a yard, get the money, get re-subed, 1v1 eagle, Record it, Then post the results here to prove to everyone how skilled you are in a D11.
Are you too stupid to think up ways to earn money? Or do you usually need people to point out the obvious for you?
and did i say that id even do all of this for you? no. you got such a butthurt about it that you want me to throw away 15 bucks for an account that ill only use maybe 4 times a week all for that? id be more than happy to do that, but if it wasnt for a inconsiderate tool like you. honestly, you try to get me to do things i dont want to do for you when i havent done a single thing to you. from now on just leave me alone ok? i dont need morons like you annoying me.
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and did i say that id even do all of this for you? no. you got such a butthurt about it that you want me to throw away 15 bucks for an account that ill only use maybe 4 times a week all for that? id be more than happy to do that, but if it wasnt for a inconsiderate tool like you. honestly, you try to get me to do things i dont want to do for you when i havent done a single thing to you. from now on just leave me alone ok? i dont need morons like you annoying me.
Lol, im not "Butthurt" at all, If anyone here sounds butthurt, its yourself. Im merely asking you to show me these skills you have in the D11 against an F6f. I made this topic to learn how to fight F6F's In a D11 and i'd like to see a video of your flying so i too could learn how to fly the D11 well.
But apparently asking you to show your D11 skills is too much, Because ever since i said post a vid, Youve been naming off excuses after excuses of why you "cant". When the truth is your simply lying. Like i said no one here believes you. Eagl has more experiance in these style of planes than both me&you combined, and he's even saying what you say isent true.
The only moron here is you for trying to pass a lie that Had no chance of being believable.
If you dont want your feelings hurt, then please leave MY topic. You cant enter MY topic, spill a bunch of B.S then suddenly say "leave me alone" when you get backed into a corner with your lies. Like i said, LEAVE my topic, and let other More experienced people speak to me. I'd like to learn from REAL f6f/D11 pilots on how to perform against/in these planes. Not from some kid trying to sound cool when he's not even flying online.
Now, Back on topic(Hopefully :bhead)
What would be the best Alt advantage in a D11 to maintain on an F6F? 2-3k? or around 5k?
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The only moron here is you for trying to pass a lie that Had no chance of being believable.
You cant enter MY topic, spill a bunch of B.S then suddenly say "leave me alone" when you get backed into a corner with your lies. Like i said, LEAVE my topic, and let other More experienced people speak to me. I'd like to learn from REAL f6f/D11 pilots on how to perform against/in these planes. Not from some kid trying to sound cool when he's not even flying online.
puhleez, your 18 and arguing with a kid, thats pathetic, your pathetic. if you want your damn proof, get me an accound and ill do it for ya. i took training for 4 months in the TA with some of the best jug pilots (lepape2 taught me most of the stuff i know) around. if i "spilled so much bs" then why cant you prove it?
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I did some checking and I could only find four tours that skorpion flew in.
He's never exceeded 0.51 K/D.
He's flown 1359 fighter sorties and another 75 attack sorties.
In the P-47D-11 Mr. Elite has 12 kills and 21 deaths.
Against the planes that he admittedly can "easily out-turn":
P-51D 2 kills, 2 deaths
F4U-1 1 kill
F6F-5 1 death
P-38J 1 death
P-38L 1 kill
Spit IX 1 kill
Spit XVI 1 kill, 1 death
Those are some pretty small sample sizes from which to draw such conclusive conclusions.
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I did some checking and I could only find four tours that skorpion flew in.
He's never exceeded 0.51 K/D.
He flown 1359 fighter sorties and another 75 attack sorties.
In the P-37D-11 Mr. Elite has 12 kills and 21 deaths.
Against the planes that he admittedly can "easily out-turn":
P-51D 2 kills, 2 deaths
F4U-1 1 kill
F6F-5 1 death
P-38J 1 death
P-38L 1 kill
Spit IX 1 kill
Spit XVI 1 kill, 1 death
Those are some pretty small sample sizes from which to draw such conclusive conclusions.
you need to look harder.
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puhleez, your 18 and arguing with a kid, thats pathetic, your pathetic. if you want your damn proof, get me an accound and ill do it for ya. i took training for 4 months in the TA with some of the best jug pilots (lepape2 taught me most of the stuff i know) around. if i "spilled so much bs" then why cant you prove it?
Actually im 19, and if your NOT spilling B.S than prove it with a vid of you doing what you claim you can.
You have 1 f6f kill. ONE. that is no wheres close to having enough experience to state the claims your trying to pass here.
If you trained with lepape2 and some of the "best" jug pilots, Then have them come in here and Back up what your claiming. They have alot more experience in the p47s than You do, so if they were to say what Your trying to, It would be alot more believable than it is coming from you.
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you need to look harder.
No. Really I don't. Those were your four last LW tours, presumably at the peak of your skills.
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Tyrannis, I'm done with this poseur but to answer your question since I've posted so much already the Jug is a plane you'll have to hold speed and/or E with to be successful. It flys a lot like the 190's in that speed and roll rate are your friends but the roll rate doesn't compare with the 190's. On the other hand the plane is so massive that, while it's not a great climber it has tremendous diving and zoom climb capabilites. You can turn with it a bit but you'll have to relax the joystick to hold speed and exit while you still have speed. Also, like the 190's, it's got awsome firepower and you can use it's roll rate to positon for a killing snapshot. If you do get slow you'll wallow but if you still have enough E to get over the top you can use a vertical roll reversal with flaps out to come around pretty quickly. If you do this you'll have to extend afterward in a dive to regain E and get seperation but I'm sure skorpion could have told you these things. ;)
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You have 1 f6f kill. ONE.
Look more closely. That was a death, not a kill.
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Tyrannis, I'm done with this poseur but to answer your question since I've posted so much already the Jug is a plane you'll have to hold speed and/or E with to be successful. It flys a lot like the 190's in that speed and roll rate are your friends but the roll rate doesn't compare with the 190's. On the other hand the plane is so massive that, while it's not a great climber it has tremendous diving and zoom climb capabilites. You can turn with it a bit but you'll have to relax the joystick to hold speed and exit while you still have speed. Also, like the 190's, it's got awsome firepower and you can use it's roll rate to positon for a killing snapshot. If you do get slow you'll wallow but if you still have enough E to get over the top you can use a vertical roll reversal with flaps out to come around pretty quickly. If you do this you'll have to extend afterward in a dive to regain E and get seperation but I'm sure skorpion could have told you these things. ;)
Sadly im a mouse flyer :( But thank you for the advice, Usually took the 6+50's option but i'll be taking the 8 now. Sorry for the unnecessary drama :lol If ever your free and possably are up to some practise showing me the Maneuver. feel free to drop me a msg. Would be glad to watch&learn :salute
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Actually im 19 (thats even more pathetic, do you even have a life?) and if your NOT spilling B.S than prove it with a vid of you doing what you claim you can.
are you mentally impaired? "i dont have an online account" should have been clear enough. but obviously, your thick skull didnt let it through. so how can i prove it? i could prove it if i had the time and the cash to get online, but it would be a waste trying to keep it with my normal stuff such as school, unpacking, homework, taking care of my little bro and sis for 3 hours until mom gets home and finally cleaning up after them. that normally leaves about an hour before i usually go to bed for school the next day (around 11:30) now, do all of that, and tell me how well you do it.
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are you mentally impaired? "i dont have an online account" should have been clear enough. but obviously, your thick skull didnt let it through. so how can i prove it? i could prove it if i had the time and the cash to get online, but it would be a waste trying to keep it with my normal stuff such as school, unpacking, homework, taking care of my little bro and sis for 3 hours until mom gets home and finally cleaning up after them. that normally leaves about an hour before i usually go to bed for school the next day (around 11:30) now, do all of that, and tell me how well you do it.
im not going to get into another Pointless argument with you skorpion, Just drop it.
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i could prove it if i had the time and the cash to get online, but it would be a waste trying to keep it with my normal stuff such as school, unpacking, homework, taking care of my little bro and sis for 3 hours until mom gets home and finally cleaning up after them. that normally leaves about an hour before i usually go to bed for school the next day (around 11:30) now, do all of that, and tell me how well you do it.
Please. I leave home between 8:30-9:00 AM to go to work. I get home between 9:30 and 11:00 PM most days. I make my own meals, run errands, clean the house, mow the lawn, work on my cars, etc., etc, etc.
I know you're just a kid but somehow I'm not feeling sorry for you.
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Please. I leave home between 8:30-9:00 AM to go to work. I get home between 9:30 and 11:00 PM most days. I make my own meals, run errands, clean the house, mow the lawn, work on my cars, etc., etc, etc.
I know you're just a kid but somehow I'm not feeling sorry for you.
That sounds rough... :uhoh
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im not going to get into another Pointless argument with you skorpion, Just drop it.
the point here im trying to make that you obviously dont understand is that its a complete waste to buy the account and prove to you, that i could out do a f6f. if im going to play on it for 1 hour per day, then thats like buying a DVD that you would only watch one time. completely retarded and useless.
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the point here im trying to make that you obviously dont understand is that its a complete waste to buy the account and prove to you, that i could out do a f6f. (http://if im going to play on it for 1 hour per day), then thats like buying a DVD that you would only watch one time. completely retarded and useless.
There are many people here who do just that.
As long as you have fun playing that 1 hour, Then its worth every penny.
And the point here is that you shouldn't make wild claims you have no way of proving or no evidence/people support it.
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In barely a year, the two of you have made almost 3 times the amount of posts I have made in 5 years.
:aok
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There are many people here who do just that.
As long as you have fun playing that 1 hour, Then its worth every penny.
And the point here is that you shouldn't make wild claims you have no way of proving or no evidence/people support it.
and you shouldnt call them lies unless you have proof/evidence to support it. your tellin me to get backup when you yourself have none whatsoever.
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and you shouldnt call them lies unless you have proof/evidence to support it. your tellin me to get backup when you yourself have none whatsoever.
Much more experienced pilots than both of us are saying that what YOU say you can do is simply not possible. That is my evidence to support that you are lieng.
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Much more experienced pilots than both of us are saying that what YOU say you can do is simply not possible. That is my evidence to support that you are lieng.
so, you take what they say as truth when they themselves have no evidence to say what im doing is impossible? kind of risky to do that because everything, is possible. even nailing jelly to a tree.
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so, you take what they say as truth when they themselves have no evidence to say what im doing is impossible? kind of risky to do that because everything, is possible. even nailing jelly to a tree.
Skorp..bud.....seriously a P 47 will not "out turn" a F6f....it may "out maneuver" an f6 but its a losing fight if you are trying to out turn an F6...plain and simple.
the only time it will out turn a F6 is when the F6 is in the hanger :P
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Skorp..bud.....seriously a P 47 will not "out turn" a F6f....it may "out maneuver" an f6 but its a losing fight if you are trying to out turn an F6...plain and simple.
the only time it will out turn a F6 is when the F6 is in the hanger :P
theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.
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theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.
Provide stats and a link of How many F6F's youve killed in a p4711 in the MA's and i may cut you a LITTLE slack.
If you come at me with another "Im not doing this for you.." Excuse then Any credibility you say from this point on is gone. Your making more and more wild accusations and frankly im getting tired of your lieing slop of words crowding up my topic.
You are the one claiming you can do all this stuff. ether provide PROOF that you can do what you say, Or shut up and leave. Because i(and im sure others) are getting tired of reading this crap you type up.
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theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.
a suggestion....long before you decide to teach something..you need to master that something....by your very words anyone who has been here knows you are a novice and a young one at that.......I am not trying to be mean or rude, this is meant in a respectful way..... there is absolutely nothing you could say or show me.... that would make me a better stick, same goes for most everyone on the BBS, its funny watching you argue with BE.... :lol
so my suggestion is to be more like a sponge and listen and learn, if your gonna talk make it questions, so this way when you have absorbed every thing there is to absorb you will be able to "teach" someone the right way of over coming an f6 with a Jug.
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If you feel so confident about your D11 abilities, Then Challenge one of the various skilled F6F pilots here on the boards, record it, then post the video of you killing it "in your hands". To back up what you say, of course.
Girlie fight! girlie fight! We wanna watch.... :devil Take it to the DA and we want "Put up or shuddup" film! :old:
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Hmmm...someone didnt take that lawn-mowing advice last year :D
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I agree with everyone here, the f6f can outperform the p47D11 easily.
Take it up to 25-30 kft and check again. The jug is optimized for high alt escort, while the F6F was optimized to Naval operations that rarely gets as high, especially against the Japanese. The arena conditions typically favor the low alt planes, but try this matchup in organized large scale scenarios. The high alt and faster planes rule those engagements.
At mid-alts, the jug still holds a good speed advantage and roll advantage. It means that you can disengage at will - not as heroic, but you can at least try a few moves before realizing that you can/cannot win and act accordingly. The opposite, for the f6f, disengaging is near impossible.
F6F and P47 is an interesting matchup - the planes were built at about the same time, meaning the same available technology. The engine is similar, the design concept is similar and the main deferences are due to optimizations. The jug was fitted with supercharger (actually built around it) and optimized for speed at very high alt, while the F6F did not requires 400+ speeds, or high-alt performance against the zeros, but did require much better low speed handling for carrier operations. Both planes proved to be a huge success in their intended roles. The major shortcoming of the jug was its range, not its performance in combat.
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As someone who only flies the F6 I'll tell you that there's only a handful of planes that I really fear low and slow on the deck, and no P-47 is one of them. However, when I see a P-47D-11 I usually fight a little better because most of the time it's a decent pilot in that plane. Most of the time the -11 will try to extend and BnZ the whole time, or just pull straight up in the merge and try for the rope, but sometimes I'll get a good turnfight out of them. The only situation I try to avoid vs a -11 is a low and rolling scissors fight when they have a slight E advantage, because it's not easy to out roll them in an F6.
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Ya know how strange this thread looks if you have BOTH Tyrannis and Skorp squelched ! :devil
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Take it to the DA and we want "Put up or shuddup" film! :old:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHyzsaXhHb0/TeFMhP9KBvI/AAAAAAAAD5k/KJExeeq7QoQ/s400/cripple_fight.jpg)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHyzsaXhHb0/TeFMhP9KBvI/AAAAAAAAD5k/KJExeeq7QoQ/s400/cripple_fight.jpg)
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Mmwwwhahahaha! :D
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I generally take the 425rpm 6+50 cal option with 75%, Climb to 10-12K before i head to a base.
Beyond the difference in firepower, the light ammo 8-gun package weighs less than the heavy ammo 6-gun package. Only light ammo 6-gun package has any weight advantage over the light 8-gun package.