P47D-11 vs F6F-5. Tactics requested.

[Tyrannis]

Please.  I leave home between 8:30-9:00 AM to go to work.  I get home between 9:30 and 11:00 PM most days.  I make my own meals, run errands, clean the house, mow the lawn, work on my cars, etc., etc, etc.

I know you're just a kid but somehow I'm not feeling sorry for you.

That sounds rough...

[skorpion]

im not going to get into another Pointless argument with you skorpion, Just drop it.

the point here im trying to make that you obviously dont understand is that its a complete waste to buy the account and prove to you, that i could out do a f6f. if im going to play on it for 1 hour per day, then thats like buying a DVD that you would only watch one time. completely retarded and useless.

[Tyrannis]

the point here im trying to make that you obviously dont understand is that its a complete waste to buy the account and prove to you, that i could out do a f6f. (Image removed from quote.), then thats like buying a DVD that you would only watch one time. completely retarded and useless.

There are many people here who do just that.

As long as you have fun playing that 1 hour, Then its worth every penny.

And the point here is that you shouldn't make wild claims you have no way of proving or no evidence/people support it.

[kvuo75]

In barely a year, the two of you have made almost 3 times the amount of posts I have made in 5 years.

 

[skorpion]

There are many people here who do just that.

As long as you have fun playing that 1 hour, Then its worth every penny.

And the point here is that you shouldn't make wild claims you have no way of proving or no evidence/people support it.

and you shouldnt call them lies unless you have proof/evidence to support it. your tellin me to get backup when you yourself have none whatsoever.

[Tyrannis]

and you shouldnt call them lies unless you have proof/evidence to support it. your tellin me to get backup when you yourself have none whatsoever.

Much more experienced pilots than both of us are saying that what YOU say you can do is simply not possible. That is my evidence to support that you are lieng.

[skorpion]

Much more experienced pilots than both of us are saying that what YOU say you can do is simply not possible. That is my evidence to support that you are lieng.

so, you take what they say as truth when they themselves have no evidence to say what im doing is impossible? kind of risky to do that because everything, is possible. even nailing jelly to a tree.

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so, you take what they say as truth when they themselves have no evidence to say what im doing is impossible? kind of risky to do that because everything, is possible. even nailing jelly to a tree.

Skorp..bud.....seriously a P 47 will not "out turn" a F6f....it may "out maneuver" an f6 but its a losing fight if you are trying to out turn an F6...plain and simple.


 the only time it will out turn a F6 is when the F6 is in the hanger

[skorpion]

Skorp..bud.....seriously a P 47 will not "out turn" a F6f....it may "out maneuver" an f6 but its a losing fight if you are trying to out turn an F6...plain and simple.


 the only time it will out turn a F6 is when the F6 is in the hanger

theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.

[Tyrannis]

theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.

Provide stats and a link of How many F6F's youve killed in a p4711 in the MA's and i may cut you a LITTLE slack.

If you come at me with another "Im not doing this for you.." Excuse then Any credibility you say from this point on is gone. Your making more and more wild accusations and frankly im getting tired of your lieing slop of words crowding up my  topic.

You are the one claiming you can do all this stuff. ether provide PROOF that you can do what you say, Or shut up and leave. Because i(and im sure others) are getting tired of reading this crap you type up.

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theres more ACM in a fight other than turning. when the turning stops for a time as the 2 planes go up, one will go down first and then lose the edge in turning as the other has gotten on its 6. in this case it would be the D11. ive roped plenty, once you get on their 6 its just watching them flop like a fish until you shoot them down.

a suggestion....long before you decide to teach something..you need to master that something....by your very words anyone who has been here knows you are a novice and a young one at that.......I am not trying to be mean or rude, this is meant in a respectful way..... there is absolutely nothing you could say or show me.... that would make me a better stick, same goes for most everyone on the BBS, its funny watching you argue with BE....    

so my suggestion is to be more like a sponge and listen and learn, if your gonna talk make it questions, so this way when you have absorbed every thing there is to absorb you will be able to "teach" someone the right way of over coming an f6 with a Jug.

[W7LPNRICK]

If you feel so confident about your D11 abilities, Then Challenge one of the various skilled F6F pilots here on the boards, record it, then post the video of you killing it "in your hands". To back up what you say, of course. 

Girlie fight! girlie fight! We wanna watch....   Take it to the DA and we want "Put up or shuddup" film! 

[bj229r]

Hmmm...someone didnt take that lawn-mowing advice last year

[bozon]

I agree with everyone here, the f6f can outperform the p47D11 easily.

Take it up to 25-30 kft and check again. The jug is optimized for high alt escort, while the F6F was optimized to Naval operations that rarely gets as high, especially against the Japanese. The arena conditions typically favor the low alt planes, but try this matchup in organized large scale scenarios. The high alt and faster planes rule those engagements.

At mid-alts, the jug still holds a good speed advantage and roll advantage. It means that you can disengage at will - not as heroic, but you can at least try a few moves before realizing that you can/cannot win and act accordingly. The opposite, for the f6f, disengaging is near impossible.

F6F and P47 is an interesting matchup - the planes were built at about the same time, meaning the same available technology. The engine is similar, the design concept is similar and the main deferences are due to optimizations. The jug was fitted with supercharger (actually built around it) and optimized for speed at very high alt, while the F6F did not requires 400+ speeds, or high-alt performance against the zeros, but did require much better low speed handling for carrier operations. Both planes proved to be a huge success in their intended roles. The major shortcoming of the jug was its range, not its performance in combat.

[F6Fraven]

As someone who only flies the F6 I'll tell you that there's only a handful of planes that I really fear low and slow on the deck, and no P-47 is one of them. However, when I see a P-47D-11 I usually fight a little better because most of the time it's a decent pilot in that plane. Most of the time the -11 will try to extend and BnZ the whole time, or just pull straight up in the merge and try for the rope, but sometimes I'll get a good turnfight out of them. The only situation I try to avoid vs a -11 is a low and rolling scissors fight when they have a slight E advantage, because it's not easy to out roll them in an F6.