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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tyrannis on September 06, 2011, 07:42:35 PM
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But how about the Focke Archgelis 223 Drache?
-Being a heli, It could up from GV bases, Which could make it a great spotter aircraft during GV battles. and the thing can easily be taken down by a single.
-Could be loaded with both GV/AF supplies, or troops.
-This idea is from the old thread, i still kinda want it in the game.-(my fav idea) it could act as a med-evac for downed pilots. remember those times when you had 15 kills in your p38, but you get bounced close to base, shot down, you bail out. but you get soo mad cus your too far to get to the base top land those kills? well with this helicopter we can finally "rescue" downed pilots. imagine this: your shot down, stranded within the helicopters range. the helicopter could then launch, come, "rescue" your, fly you back to base. and there you go. you get to land those 15 kills.
-Had the weight capacity to carry 2 550kg bombs.
-it was equiped with an mg15, so it could be used also as a kind of "troop hunter". hovering around the city watching for any enemy troops who try to take the maproom when the flags white.
Specs:
Type: Transport Helicopter
Origin: Focke Achgelis Flugzeugbau GmbH
Models: E
First Flight: August 1940
Service Delivery: 1942
Final Delivery: N/A
Engine: BMW 301R nine-cylinder radial
Horsepower: 1,000 hp
Fuel:
Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
Dimensions:
Rotor Diameter: 12.00m (39 ft. 4.5 in.)
Rotor Span (Turning): 24.50 (80 ft. 4.75 in.)
Number of rotor blades: 3
Number of rotors: 2
Distance Between Rotor hubs: 12.50m (41 ft. o.25 in.)
Fuselage Length: 12.25m (40 ft. 0.25 in.)
Height: N/A
Weights:
Empty: 3,175kg (7,000 lbs.)
Maximum: 4,309kg (9,500 lbs.)
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 175km/h (109 mph)
Cruising Speed: 121km/h (75 mph)
Initial climb: N/A
Range: 435 miles (700km) with auxiliary tanks.
Service Ceiling: N/A
Armament:
One MG 15 manually aimed from the nose.
Avionics:
N/A
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/focke_drache.php
Served in both squadren strengh (was apart of the luftwaffes ONLY helicopter squadren) and saw combat action in WW2.
It deserves to be added :aok
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HT already said no to heli's.
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HT already said no to heli's.
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Quote or your lying.
I believe he said no to the B29 as well. yet i believe its in the game isent it? :headscratch:
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Quote or your lying.
I believe he said no to the B29 as well. yet i believe its in the game isent it? :headscratch:
he said no to the B29 having nukes. the B29 would come, but the way people were asking for it (nukes enabled) it wouldnt have come.
i quote your lack to research correctly.
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he said no to the B29 having nukes. the B29 would come, but the way people were asking for it (nukes enabled) it wouldnt have come.
i quote your lack to research correctly.
still waiting on that "no to heli's" quote pumpkin.
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still waiting on that "no to heli's" quote pumpkin.
i saw HT himself say no to heli's himself. still searching for it, just about 200 pages with the words "helicopter" and "no"
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A Storch, Grasshopper or Lysander would be a much better idea, but they should not carry supplies.
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A Storch, Grasshopper or Lysander would be a much better idea, but they should not carry supplies.
in the OP, i saw that he wants to "pick up downed pilots" :rofl -10000 to that.
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i saw HT himself say no to heli's himself. still searching for it, just about 200 pages with the words "helicopter" and "no"
>Advanced search> check "show results as messages">Type "Hitech" in "by user" slot.>type "No Heli's" in the "Search for" slot. your job=made easier.
Derp. :rolleyes:
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A Storch, Grasshopper or Lysander would be a much better idea, but they should not carry supplies.
For someone who's asking for realistic bombing speed, why would you say no to them carrying supplies when thats what the Drache did in WWII?
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>Advanced search> check "show results as messages">Type "Hitech" in "by user" slot.>type "No Heli's" in the "Search for" slot. your job=made easier.
Derp. :rolleyes:
if you obviously know how to do EVERYTHING then why dont you search for it? you seem to be doing my job. so, go ahead. i could take a break.
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For someone who's asking for realistic bombing speed, why would you say no to them carrying supplies when thats what the Drache did in WWII?
What was the lift capacity of the thing? I highly doubt it carried anything like the weight needed to resupply a tank or an airbase. The supplies it carried were probably light weight materials for infantry.
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if you obviously know how to do EVERYTHING then why dont you search for it? you seem to be doing my job. so, go ahead. i could take a break.
Because your the one who's saying Hitech said that. Your making the claim, Im asking you to prove your claim. If you cant then its likely your lying. Its not my job to prove your claim. Its yours.
What was the lift capacity of the thing? I highly doubt it carried anything like the weight needed to resupply a tank or an airbase. The supplies it carried were probably light weight materials for infantry.
Quote from the website:
For cargo transport a load-carrying beam was used to carry heavy or bulky loads suspended beneath the helicopter by cable, which had a pilot-operated, electric quick-release mechanism at its lower end. The maximum load actually carried by an Fa 223 by this method was 1,280kg,
Paragraph 11.
Most of the equipment required for the various roles the Fa 223 was to perform could be fitted to or removed from the basic machine, the various equipment being as follows. For all roles except training, an FuG 17 radio, FuG 101 radio altimeter, nose-mounted MG 15 machine-gun, and an observer's seat were fitted. Additional equipment required was a rescue cradle, winch and electric motor operating through the fuselage floor, for reconnaissance and rescue; a hand camera pointing through the cockpit floor, for reconnaissance and anti-submarine duties; a jettisonable 300 litre (66 Imp gal) auxiliary fuel tank, for reconnaissance; fuselage racks and two 250kg bombs for anti-submarine work. For cargo transport a load-carrying beam was used to carry heavy or bulky loads suspended beneath the helicopter by cable, which had a pilot-operated, electric quick-release mechanism at its lower end. The maximum load actually carried by an Fa 223 by this method was 1,280kg, which was greater than by any other contemporary helicopter. However, carrying loads suspended by cable proved tiring for the pilot on long flights, and, during troop-supplying trials, stabilizing surfaces fitted to the loads were found to give some improvement. The remaining equipment which could be fitted was a Luftwaffe dinghy stowed in the tail section, respirator racks and, for training purposes only, dual controls.
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1 20mm later.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070827073632/uncyclopedia/images/5/59/Explosion-l.jpg)
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1 20mm later.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070827073632/uncyclopedia/images/5/59/Explosion-l.jpg)
you sure that wasnt one 12.7mm later?
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you sure that wasnt one 12.7mm later?
:lol
Got that quote for me yet or you going to finally admit your wrong? (not likely)
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Got that quote for me yet or you going to finally admit your wrong? (not likely)
you do realise that i said theres over 200 pages of responses with the word helicopter in it? if your so bent over this then ask HT himself.
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you do realise that i said theres over 200 pages of responses with the word helicopter in it? if your so bent over this then ask HT himself.
And you do realize i gave you a much quicker, easier way to look up what your trying to find right?
Just admit you were wrong. No ones judging. Not in this thread atleast.
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Seeing Tyrannis and Skorpion nag at each other reminds me of this......
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And you do realize i gave you a much quicker, easier way to look up what your trying to find right?
Just admit you were wrong. No ones judging. Not in this thread atleast.
:rofl you call me hard headed? you keep saying your right when you never back it up. just sad, very very sad.
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:rofl you call me hard headed? you keep saying your right when you never back it up. just sad, very very sad.
:bhead
:rolleyes:
The bbs needs an age limit.
Anyways, back on topic.
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if you obviously know how to do EVERYTHING then why dont you search for it? you seem to be doing my job. so, go ahead. i could take a break.
You are a 12 year old kid. What else would you possibly be doing?
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^ Ouch.
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Some pics to get us back on topic..
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I think the responce in the past for this it did not see combat & was not at squadron strength therefor wont qualify.
The only helicopter of WWII that fits this criteria was made by the Japanese.
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I think the responce in the past for this it did not see combat & was not at squadron strength therefor wont qualify.
The only helicopter of WWII that fits this criteria was made by the Japanese.
Actually it did both see combat and was part of The Luftwaffe's only helicopter squadron.
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Actually it did both see combat and was part of The Luftwaffe's only helicopter squadron.
so your saying it went out and shot down other planes? im sure thats going to be one of the requirements, and to me, that thing couldnt go faster than a post-WW1 biplane. let alone shoot a plane down with only a single 12.7mm gun...
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so your saying it went out and shot down other planes? im sure thats going to be one of the requirements, and to me, that thing couldnt go faster than a post-WW1 biplane. let alone shoot a plane down with only a single 12.7mm gun...
"Combat" is more than just simply shooting a plane down.
Did c47s shoot planes down?
Did the jeep model we have in game blow up tanks?
The Drache was used in rescue missions and supply missions, Some of which it came under fire. This is enough to count it as having a "combat" record.
It wouldnt be used to engage planes. It would be used to spot tanks in a GV battle, Possibly bomb them (could carry 2 550kg bombs)Could carry supplies. Could be a Troop hunter in town.
speed wouldnt be an issue for it when it came to survival. Stay low, See a plane above? simply land, shut off engines, wait for plane to fly out of icon range, start engines, then be off on your way again.
Btw skorpy, ever find that quote?
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:rofl you call me hard headed? you keep saying your right when you never back it up. just sad, very very sad.
The fact that no one can find the quote proves he's right...
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"Combat" is more than just simply shooting a plane down.
Did c47s shoot planes down?
Did the jeep model we have in game blow up tanks?
The Drache was used in rescue missions and supply missions, Some of which it came under fire. This is enough to count it as having a "combat" record.
It wouldnt be used to engage planes. It would be used to spot tanks in a GV battle, Possibly bomb them (could carry 2 550kg bombs)Could carry supplies. Could be a Troop hunter in town.
speed wouldnt be an issue for it when it came to survival. Stay low, See a plane above? simply land, shut off engines, wait for plane to fly out of icon range, start engines, then be off on your way again.
Btw skorpy, ever find that quote?
the C47 and the jeep are in the game because both carry troops/supplies. if he didnt have either one then we couldnt capture bases. sure the 251 and M3 has troops but what about the spawn points? not all of them go to an enemy base.
thats why we have them. im sure someone with an IQ of only 30 could have figured that out.
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the C47 and the jeep are in the game because both carry troops/supplies. if he didnt have either one then we couldnt capture bases. sure the 251 and M3 has troops but what about the spawn points? not all of them go to an enemy base.
thats why we have them. im sure someone with an IQ of only 30 could have figured that out.
We only had the C47 and M3 for the longest time...the Jeep and 251 were added WAY later...why? IDK...we already had two vehicles that carried troops and supplies....
IQ of only 30 is not enough
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The fact that no one can find the quote proves he's right...
Dont bother trying to cloud the childs mind with truth. it would only confuse him more.
the C47 and the jeep are in the game because both carry troops/supplies. if he didnt have either one then we couldnt capture bases. sure the 251 and M3 has troops but what about the spawn points? not all of them go to an enemy base.
thats why we have them. im sure someone with an IQ of only 30 could have figured that out.
You really need to reread what is typed.
The Drache could carry both troops, and cargo. Combine that with the fact that it has vertical take off/landing +hovering abilities would make it the most unique aircraft in the game.
Add a heli pad to the GV fields, and let it up from GV bases, and its importance gets even higher as a scout/resupplying/bombing chopper.
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Dont bother trying to cloud the childs mind with truth. it would only confuse him more.
You really need to reread what is typed.
The Drache could carry both troops, and cargo. Combine that with the fact that it has vertical take off/landing +hovering abilities would make it the most unique aircraft in the game.
Add a heli pad to the GV fields, and let it up from GV bases, and its importance gets even higher as a scout/resupplying/bombing chopper.
did i ever say it didnt carry troops/supplies? sure we could use another troop carrier as the 2 we have are instant "come kill me" icons. the fact that it carries troops/supplies doesnt mean it will be added.
also, why would HT model a heli pad just for your fragile flying piece of sheet metal at a gv base. theres a reason they call them "v" bases. for vehicles as in "tanks". they call airbases "a" bases because you lift up from there in "aircraft" if you want a heli pad put it at a normal air base. even then that would be a ton of work. they would have to redo a perfectly fine airbase so they could place that heli pad in there.
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did i ever say it didnt carry troops/supplies? sure we could use another troop carrier as the 2 we have are instant "come kill me" icons. the fact that it carries troops/supplies doesnt mean it will be added.
also, why would HT model a heli pad just for your fragile flying piece of sheet metal at a gv base. theres a reason they call them "v" bases. for vehicles as in "tanks". they call airbases "a" bases because you lift up from there in "aircraft" if you want a heli pad put it at a normal air base. even then that would be a ton of work. they would have to redo a perfectly fine airbase so they could place that heli pad in there.
I didnt know jeeps and m3's were "tanks".
Poking fun at how badly you construct your criticism aside, The only reason Planes do not take off from GV bases is because there is no Airfield for them to take off of.
The Drache has Vertical lift. It does not require a runway to take off. Draches also spent time in the field. Landing in the forrests/mountains far away from airfields to resupply troops and other various war machines. It could, and it did, take off from Vehicle points.
And no, adding a simply Heli pad wouldnt take a "ton of work".
Why do you continue to talk?
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I didnt know jeeps and m3's were "tanks".
Poking fun at how badly you construct your criticism aside, The only reason Planes do not take off from GV bases is because there is no Airfield for them to take off of.
The Drache has Vertical lift. It does not require a runway to take off. Draches also spent time in the field. Landing in the forrests/mountains far away from airfields to resupply troops and other various war machines. It could, and it did, take off from Vehicle points.
And no, adding a simply Heli pad wouldnt take a "ton of work".
Why do you continue to talk?
did you even read half of my post? i said "vehicles" and "tanks". the M3/jeep are obviously not tanks. there "v"ehicles. hence the v in the base. for "vehicles" and "tanks".
as for the "adding a simple heli pad wont take a ton of work" why dont you tell HT on how to make it and where to place it at the fields when they are already all filled up in space with ack, barracks/ord bunkers/hangars/fuel tanks. not to mention the trees that occupy the open space on the Vehcile bases. after going thru all of that tell me all the possible places to put a decent sized helipad on a airbase/gv base. i doubt there would be any realilistic space for such a thing.
as for your last crappy futile attempt to silence me, i can because i have a point against it and you cant force me to stop. it makes you cry and your tears are delicious. :ahand
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I'm on the fence with this one. There are planes and vehicles in game that could do the job more efficiently, but a Pony or 38 hauls ord better than a TBM... If it were added, I'd definately find fun uses for it. That being said, it's of very low priority compared to other planes/gvs that could be added before it. As for picking up downed pilots, that's a big -1 as far as I'm concerned.
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did you even read half of my post? i said "vehicles" and "tanks".
No you didnt. You said "as in". not and. "As in" and "and" both have different meanings. I know your IQ isent very high, But shouldnt even a child know the difference? :headscratch:
theres a reason they call them "v" bases. for vehicles as in "tanks".
as for the "adding a simple heli pad wont take a ton of work" why dont you tell HT on how to make it and where to place it at the fields when they are already all filled up in space with ack, barracks/ord bunkers/hangars/fuel tanks. not to mention the trees that occupy the open space on the Vehcile bases. after going thru all of that tell me all the possible places to put a decent sized helipad on a airbase/gv base. i doubt there would be any realilistic space for such a thing.
so Ack takes up the entire base? i think your wrong on that too. Might want to check the sizes of the 3 various field again. Theres plenty of room to fit a simple Heli-pad.
You have no point at all, Youve failed multiple times across many threads at your apparent "points". Im not crying at all. Laughing actually at how much of a fool you make yourself look. Youve failed to provide Proof of anything you claim. First the claim that Hitech said no Helis, now this. Its rather amusing watching you try to prove you know what your talking about.
I just would rather not have ANOTHER of my threads derailed from your stupidity. Oh how i wish there was a way to simply block people from opening certain topics.
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did you even read half of my post? i said "vehicles" and "tanks". the M3/jeep are obviously not tanks. there "v"ehicles. hence the v in the base. for "vehicles" and "tanks".
ummm... isn't a heli a "v"ehicle. I mean sure its an aircraft, but at its root isn't it a "vehicle"
as for the "adding a simple heli pad wont take a ton of work" why dont you tell HT on how to make it and where to place it at the fields when they are already all filled up in space with ack, barracks/ord bunkers/hangars/fuel tanks. not to mention the trees that occupy the open space on the Vehcile bases. after going thru all of that tell me all the possible places to put a decent sized helipad on a airbase/gv base. i doubt there would be any realilistic space for such a thing.
just put it on the other side of the indestructible
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No you didnt. You said "as in". not and. "As in" and "and" both have different meanings. I know your IQ isent very high, But shouldnt even a child know the difference? :headscratch:so Ack takes up the entire base? i think your wrong on that too. Might want to check the sizes of the 3 various field again. Theres plenty of room to fit a simple Heli-pad.
there is only 1 place, and its at the middle of the field. why on earth would one place a helipad there?
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/ahss48.jpg)
You have no point at all, Youve failed multiple times across many threads at your apparent "points". Im not crying at all. Laughing actually at how much of a fool you make yourself look. Youve failed to provide Proof of anything you claim. First the claim that Hitech said no Helis, now this. Its rather amusing watching you try to prove you know what your talking about.
I just would rather not have ANOTHER of my threads derailed from your stupidity. Oh how i wish there was a way to simply block people from opening certain topics.
the field acks and manned acks are scattered throughout the field, and let me show you with a screenshot of a normal small/med/large field and you tell me where your putting those heli pads. now back to you, your saying im derailing this thread when its been all about your stupid helicopter. find me one off-topic part please. i believe your going to be finding out that your the stupid one here for trying to keep it "on topic" when its been on topic since page one.
now heres the pic for a large field. tell me where your going to realalisticly going to place a helipad.
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/ahss48.jpg)
medium airfield and small airfield have to wait as im having trobles with photobucket uploading them...
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Plenty of room in the space between the VH and center of the runways :)
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I'd rather see Iron Annie included in the game. It had a huge footprint in the war.
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Plenty of room in the space between the VH and center of the runways :)
not sure you know but theres a manned ack and an auto ack between there.
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find me one off-topic part please.
The fact that your spewing out "points" with no backbone to them and turning my Topic into another pissing contest like you did Wot topic and the p47 topic.
To answer the Field question, Others have already given you examples of where to put it. Its funny how you ignore what others are saying against you. No one here has agreed with anything youve said, Yet you think your still proving some "point" :headscratch: How comical.
But to answer your question, theres alot of places to put it. Especially on a large airfield.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-166.png)
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realalisticly is what i meant, as in where you have places the spots there are ack in some of those.
as for your stupidity, it continues.
The fact that your spewing out "points" with no backbone to them and turning my Topic into another pissing contest like you did Wot topic and the p47 topic.
and read what i said.
the field acks and manned acks are scattered throughout the field, and let me show you with a screenshot of a normal small/med/large field and you tell me where your putting those heli pads. now back to you, your saying im derailing this thread when its been all about your stupid helicopter. find me one off-topic part please. i believe your going to be finding out that your the stupid one here for trying to keep it "on topic" when its been on topic since page one.
if you havent noticed, its in this thread that your saying is getting derailed. :rolleyes: you fail. again.
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I think the responce in the past for this it did not see combat & was not at squadron strength therefor wont qualify.
The only helicopter of WWII that fits this criteria was made by the Japanese.
We had helicopters in the CBI flying behind enemy lines and conducting medical evacuations of wounded soldiers and downed airmen. The first combat medical evacuation took place in Burma and additional ones also took place in China. The R-4 was also used to ferry supplies and parts between floating aviation repair ships in the South Pacific and when they weren't flying ferry missions, the R-4s would also be tasked with flying SAR, medical evacuations and mercy flights. I don't know the total of numbers that were in active service but those that were used during the war did see extensive use.
What the Japanese had was an auto-gyro and not a helicopter.
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realalisticly is what i meant, as in where you have places the spots there are ack in some of those.
as for your stupidity, it continues.and read what i said.if you havent noticed, its in this thread that your saying is getting derailed. :rolleyes: you fail. again.
Ok, im seriously done argueing with such a naive child. You keep running circles around your own words. Get proven wrong on one thing, instead of just saying "im wrong your right, sorry" your find some new B.S logic to spill here.
Im getting tired of pointing out just how dumb you are. I understand your just a child, but still. You dont know what your talking about. SOOOo many people have told you this in multiple threads. Yet you continue to speak :bhead
You should really of taken Inks advice on "being like a spongE" Meaning shut up, and learn, Instead of pretending like you know what your talking about.
So im done proving your idiocy. Have fun thinking your right, Your the only one who does. Oh, and Heres a dancing banana :banana:
Ib4ohyourjustbutthurtblahblah blah.
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Ok, im seriously done argueing with such a naive child. You keep running circles around your own words. Get proven wrong on one thing, instead of just saying "im wrong your right, sorry" your find some new B.S logic to spill here.
Im getting tired of pointing out just how dumb you are. I understand your just a child, but still. You dont know what your talking about. SOOOo many people have told you this in multiple threads. Yet you continue to speak :bhead
You should really of taken Inks advice on "being like a spongE" Meaning shut up, and learn, Instead of pretending like you know what your talking about.
So im done proving your idiocy. Have fun thinking your right, Your the only one who does. Oh, and Heres a dancing banana :banana:
Ib4ohyourjustbutthurtblahblah blah.
:rolleyes:
let me show you how immature you really are. continuing to be a little child about things. just funny.
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Actually it did both see combat and was part of The Luftwaffe's only helicopter squadron.
OK it meets the criteria of squadron strength since only 3 made it to any operational squadron.
I can't find anything about combat though so whats the source on that & what did they do.
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OK it meets the criteria of squadron strength since only 3 made it to any operational squadron.
I can't find anything about combat though so whats the source on that & what did they do.
I cant really find a 100% answer to the combat question. Some sites say it took part in various combat rescue missions and long range reconescence(Yea, spelling sucks, shame on me). Others say it never saw did this.
They do all agree tho it took part in an attempted rescue of people trapped from snow, But crashed due to poor weather.
Many Draches were bombed tho. So if you count being bombed as being part of "combat" then thats its official combat history :angel:
The varients were:
Fa 223A - for anti-submarine warfare, to carry 2 x 250 kg (550 lb) bombs or depth charges.
Fa 223B - for reconnaissance missions; fitted with a jettisonable fuel tank.
Fa 223C - for search and rescue duties, fitted with a steel winch cable.
Fa 223D - freight variant, for resupplying mountain troops.
Fa 223E - dual-control trainer.
But from watching various videos on it, I believe only the C,and D models were ever produced and maybe 1 A model.
Cool video on it:
http://videosift.com/video/Focke-Achgelis-Fa-223-World-s-First-CSAR-Helicopter-1941
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I really don't think Tyrannis read the site he linked to, otherwise he would have known what lyric1 pointed out about only 3 actually making it to operational service. He also would have known that the only time the Fa 223 carried supplies or troops was during it's flight trials and not in operational service. He also would have known that the only time the Fa 223 saw combat was when a Fa 223 crew was sent in a special mission from Hitler and flew over the Soviet forces as they were over running Danzig. The only rescue flight flown ended in disaster with the crew killed, though the stranded hikers were saved.
I believe the Fa 223 only had something around 400 flying hours total for the 10 or so that were eventually flown. Transportstaffel 40 didn't have time to use the Fa 223 for supply or rescue missions as they were spending most of their time trying to keep ahead of the Soviet forces. Although no military records survive from Transportstaffel 40 that can officially debunk the myth that the Fa 223 was performing rescue and supply missions, from memoirs of surviving members of that squadron, none have mentioned the Fa 223 being used in the supply role.
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Actually, the site i posted with the video claims the 223 WAS sent out on a combat rescue mission in 1945 when it traveled behind enemy lines to rescue a downed 190 pilot.
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Lawl @ the boxing match
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let me show you how immature you really are. continuing to be a little child about things. just funny.
im sorry skorp but everytime i see you in the wishlist you try to flame someone even when you are proven wrong. and i gotta say one thing to this, when were there helipad's in WWII? :lol
second off a simple change of placement of an object would give plenty of room to put a heli hanger on the fields
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im sorry skorp but everytime i see you in the wishlist you try to flame someone even when you are proven wrong. and i gotta say one thing to this, when were there helipad's in WWII? :lol
second off a simple change of placement of an object would give plenty of room to put a heli hanger on the fields
when did i say there were helipads in WW2? :headscratch:
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when did i say there were helipads in WW2? :headscratch:
who said it was just you talking about helipads?
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who said it was just you talking about helipads?
ahh i read the post wrong, thought you said it to me, not the entire thread.
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what lyric1 pointed out about only 3 actually making it to operational service. ack-ack
Actually I can't even find that. I can see three made it to a squadron I can see the other type of helicopter that was also used for spotting. That was a surprise to me as I knew this aircraft existed did not know they actually were used in a combat situation where they did reconnaissance. I can't find anything about this model actually doing something.
You could make the assumption that it may have operated as a spotter as well how ever?
Interesting information if nothing else to me as I learned something I did not know today.
Since at this point no proof of actual combat is available I would say the Japanese aircraft is still the only one that might see the light of day.
Keep digging Tyrannis if you want to put it in the running find more info other than the internet look for some books German would be your best chance.
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Actually I can't even find that. I can see three made it to a squadron I can see the other type of helicopter that was also used for spotting. That was a surprise to me as I knew this aircraft existed did not know they actually were used in a combat situation where they did reconnaissance. I can't find anything about this model actually doing something.
This is the brief history of the Fa 223 with Transportstaffel 40.
Transportstaffel 40 and the Last Days War (http://tofast2.0lx.net/germanvtol/transstaff/transportstaffel_40.html)
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the C47 and the jeep are in the game because both carry troops/supplies.
thus meaning they served in combat. you=
(http://mmu-media.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Foot-in-Mouth.jpeg)
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Thread title makes me :bhead
How can one person contribute so much stupidity? The mind boggles.
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They are kids. Give them some slack.
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more like they need a time out and a nap.
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This is the brief history of the Fa 223 with Transportstaffel 40.
Transportstaffel 40 and the Last Days War (http://tofast2.0lx.net/germanvtol/transstaff/transportstaffel_40.html)
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Thank you for that. :aok
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idd rescue em if you got half their perks.
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LMAO @ petty arguments, just make it an optional DLC like the hires or skins and whatnot, or make it enabled in only certain arenas it would make this be an ingame reality ---> :noid
as in "M3 driver : oh gawd thars one of them choppahs by the maproom again" :rofl
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What the Japanese had was an auto-gyro and not a helicopter.
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Yes I know :aok That would only make things difficult for some to call it by it's proper name though. I should have stayed with choppers.
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LMAO @ petty arguments, just make it an optional DLC like the hires or skins and whatnot, or make it enabled in only certain arenas it would make this be an ingame reality ---> :noid
as in "M3 driver : oh gawd thars one of them choppahs by the maproom again" :rofl
Well the issues is the one that is requested no documentation exists for any use in an operational military situation. The other German Chopper is the one that should be pursued as there seems to be some evidence that it was used.
Personally if it qualifies fine add it. :aok
Just kind of hard to see a lot of effort by HTC to add a vehicle that only 3 ever made it to an operational use when so many other vehicles should be added before this.
It is a wish list though no harm in asking.
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just imagine a some noob in a heli up at 30k...buff fly's past and the pilot says "what the hell is that?" as the noob in the heli tries to keep up with the bombers and shoots at them with his single gun :banana:
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just imagine a some noob in a heli up at 30k...buff fly's past and the pilot says "what the hell is that?" as the noob in the heli tries to keep up with the bombers and shoots at them with his single gun :banana:
Ceiling alt is below 30k.
Fail/10.
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Fail/10.
:banana:
Kind of like your wish?
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Ceiling alt is below 30k.
Fail/10.
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you failed to realize it was a joke
Kind of like your wish?
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:rofl
that deserves a cat pic!
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/pwned.jpg)
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Kind of like your wish?
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As ive stated there is a report of a rescue mission undertaken by this aircraft to rescue a downed 190 pilot behind enemy lines in 1945. Does this not count as seeing combat?
therefore:
-was a part of a Squadren.
-Saw combat.
-More then 1 produced.
Meet's the requirments to be added.
so no, not like my "wish", more like your retort :banana:
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As ive stated there is a report of a rescue mission undertaken by this aircraft to rescue a downed 190 pilot behind enemy lines in 1945. Does this not count as seeing combat?
therefore:
-was a part of a Squadren.
-Saw combat.
-More then 1 produced.
Meet's the requirments to be added.
so no, not like my "wish", more like your retort :banana:
No I don't think a rescue mission is combat, unless it was being shot at during that rescue mission.
So what are we going to do with it in AH? Rescue downed pilots that can just type ".ef" and get a new plane?
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-was a part of a Squadren.
-Saw combat.
-More then 1 produced.
The criteria, as I understand it, is:
-Deployed in squadron strength
-Saw combat
-Series production
So, did it equip an entire squadron? Did it see combat? Was it in in series production, i.e. not prototype or pre-production?
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As ive stated there is a report of a rescue mission undertaken by this aircraft to rescue a downed 190 pilot behind enemy lines in 1945. Does this not count as seeing combat?
Now your reaching.
Ship V12 would later be lost in an attempt to rescue 17 people trapped by heavy snow on Mont Blanc in France. The helicopter had been flown on the long cross-country trip from Germany to carry out this humanitarian mission, and while attempting a landing on the mountain, a mechanical failure resulted in a rotor disintegrating and the ship hitting an embankment, killing the crew.
In the spring of 1944 the V11 crashed while trying to recover a Do-217 bomber from the Vehner Moor. the Fa-233 V14 was then used to recover both the Do-217 and the unlucky V11. Two Focke Achgelis mechanics along with Luftwaffe personnel disassembled the two downed aircraft. Karl Bode along with Lt. Helmut Gerstenhauer, the Luftwaffe's most experienced helicopter pilot, made ten flights on may 11, 1944, followed by further flights the next day. The major components of both crashed aircraft were picked up from the marsh and carried out to a road where they were transferred to a truck.
http://tofast2.0lx.net/germanvtol/fockeachgiles/fa223folder/fa223.html
Not a combat mission hardley a recue mission. Transport?
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As ive stated there is a report of a rescue mission undertaken by this aircraft to rescue a downed 190 pilot behind enemy lines in 1945. Does this not count as seeing combat?
It never happened. There is only record of one rescue mission undertaken by a Fa 223 and that was the rescue of 17 stranded people during a winter snowstorm that resulted in the loss of the Fa 223, it never was used in the rescue of downed airmen. You are confusing it with the Sikorsky R-4 that was used by the 1st Air Commandos of the USAAF in the CBI that was used to rescue downed airmen and wounded behind Japanese lines in Burma and China.
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any other mission history of the R-4? i never heard of the US using helo's in WW2 i would love to see it added.
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It never happened. There is only record of one rescue mission undertaken by a Fa 223 and that was the rescue of 17 stranded people during a winter snowstorm that resulted in the loss of the Fa 223, it never was used in the rescue of downed airmen. You are confusing it with the Sikorsky R-4 that was used by the 1st Air Commandos of the USAAF in the CBI that was used to rescue downed airmen and wounded behind Japanese lines in Burma and China.
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Seven helicopters were built at Laupheim, before this factory got bombed to oblivion too. Except for the windtunnel, the whole complex was leveled. Two of these seven helicopters were used for manoeuvres in the Alps near Innsbruck. V14 and V16 were used to supply mountain troops. The craft flew 83 missions in September 1944, on 29 days out of the 30. The one day without flights had fog so thick the pilot couldn't see the helicopter's rotor tips. During these missions, the Drache proved its ability to carry supplies to places that are hard to reach. In seven minutes, it carried goods to a height of 6500 feet, while 20 men would have to climb a day and a half on foot to do the same. It even succeeded in dropping off a howitser and its ammo on a place that couldn't be reached in any other way. The howitser had to be winched down as there was no place to land.
The one Fa 223 that was built at Tempelhof was under command of the Luftwaffe. A Führerbefehl dating Februari 25th 1945 ordered it to move to Danzig the next morning. Avoiding storms, American troops, allied bombings and searching for fuel caused it to arrive at the suburbs of Danzig no sooner than March 5. There, its crew heard that the Red Army was about to capture Danzig itself and so it was impossible to go there. While awaiting further orders, the crew heard about a downed Me 109 pilot that was caught by a blizzard. Lieutenant Gerstenhauer took the Fa 223 and went to search for the pilot. He found him, picked him up and returned to Danzig, only to find it captured by the Russians. So, the crew decided to find a safer haven. They still had the problem of needing to find fuel. When they found another fuel stock, they loaded their bird up, grabbed a barrel of fuel and a handpump and took off again. They flew over the Russian troops, to a German base in Werder. There, they rested and joined Transportstaffel 40 at Ainring. They were captured by the Americans.
http://users.telenet.be/bert.dujardin/Pages/model_Focke_Achgelis_223.html
May not be "combat" missions, but it did partake in missions supporting the German War effort, And here again is the report of a Drache being used to rescue a downed pilot, but this one's saying it was a 109 pilot, not a Fw190.
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Well all you have got to do now if all that info is correct is to get HTC to do it.
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Seven helicopters were built at Laupheim, before this factory got bombed to oblivion too. Except for the windtunnel, the whole complex was leveled. Two of these seven helicopters were used for manoeuvres in the Alps near Innsbruck. V14 and V16 were used to supply mountain troops. The craft flew 83 missions in September 1944, on 29 days out of the 30. The one day without flights had fog so thick the pilot couldn't see the helicopter's rotor tips. During these missions, the Drache proved its ability to carry supplies to places that are hard to reach. In seven minutes, it carried goods to a height of 6500 feet, while 20 men would have to climb a day and a half on foot to do the same. It even succeeded in dropping off a howitser and its ammo on a place that couldn't be reached in any other way. The howitser had to be winched down as there was no place to land.
The one Fa 223 that was built at Tempelhof was under command of the Luftwaffe. A Führerbefehl dating Februari 25th 1945 ordered it to move to Danzig the next morning. Avoiding storms, American troops, allied bombings and searching for fuel caused it to arrive at the suburbs of Danzig no sooner than March 5. There, its crew heard that the Red Army was about to capture Danzig itself and so it was impossible to go there. While awaiting further orders, the crew heard about a downed Me 109 pilot that was caught by a blizzard. Lieutenant Gerstenhauer took the Fa 223 and went to search for the pilot. He found him, picked him up and returned to Danzig, only to find it captured by the Russians. So, the crew decided to find a safer haven. They still had the problem of needing to find fuel. When they found another fuel stock, they loaded their bird up, grabbed a barrel of fuel and a handpump and took off again. They flew over the Russian troops, to a German base in Werder. There, they rested and joined Transportstaffel 40 at Ainring. They were captured by the Americans.
http://users.telenet.be/bert.dujardin/Pages/model_Focke_Achgelis_223.html
May not be "combat" missions, but it did partake in missions supporting the German War effort, And here again is the report of a Drache being used to rescue a downed pilot, but this one's saying it was a 109 pilot, not a Fw190.
Again, it never happened. Fa 223 V14 never flew behind enemy lines and picked up a downed German pilot. During their mission to Danzig, V14 stopped outside of the city (Stolp) and at that time, they were asked to ferry a badly burned pilot that had been rescued from his crashed plane by German troops. After the sortie, the Fa 223 left Stolp ahead of the approaching Soviets to continue their mission to Danzig only too see the vanguard of the Soviet forces inside of the city, which then V14 continued on and finally reaching Werder on March 11, 1945. The original mission to Danzig was on "Special orders from the Führer" to pick up high ranking Nazi party members in Danzig, which it was never able to complete as the city fell shortly before their arrival to Danzig.
The only instances of a helicopter being used to rescue downed airmen or wounded soldiers from the battlefield was the R-4 in the CBI.
As ive stated there is a report of a rescue mission undertaken by this aircraft to rescue a downed 190 pilot behind enemy lines in 1945. Does this not count as seeing combat?
therefore:
-was a part of a Squadren.
-Saw combat.
-More then 1 produced.
Meet's the requirments to be added.
therefore:
- Must see service in squadron strength. 3 aircraft doesn't count as "squadron strength"
- Saw combat (didn't see combat)
- Only 7 were completed before the manufacturing plants were destroyed and only 5 managed to see any sort of operational service
No matter how much you want this useless aircraft in AH, it does not meet any of the requirements needed to be added to AH.
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Again, it never happened. Fa 223 V14 never flew behind enemy lines and picked up a downed German pilot. During their mission to Danzig, V14 stopped outside of the city (Stolp) and at that time, they were asked to ferry a badly burned pilot that had been rescued from his crashed plane by German troops. After the sortie, the Fa 223 left Stolp ahead of the approaching Soviets to continue their mission to Danzig only too see the vanguard of the Soviet forces inside of the city, which then V14 continued on and finally reaching Werder on March 11, 1945. The original mission to Danzig was on "Special orders from the Führer" to pick up high ranking Nazi party members in Danzig, which it was never able to complete as the city fell shortly before their arrival to Danzig.
The only instances of a helicopter being used to rescue downed airmen or wounded soldiers from the battlefield was the R-4 in the CBI.
Im sorry Ack but do you have any link or evidence to what YOUR saying that it never happened?
Im not trying to get into an intelligence argument with you, Its just that your saying it never happened, yet ive found 2 dif versions of a rescue taking place that sound very similer.
the First:
a Drache is sent behind Enemy lines to rescue a downed 190 pilot in april 1945.
the second:
A drache goes to the rescue of a downed 109 pilot out of unofficial orders. After rescuing said pilot, they fly over enemy lines back to another Nazi airbase due to their previous one being overrun.
Both stories have simularities to them. Both went to rescue a down pilot, both in a Drache, Both flew over enemy lines, Both took place in 1945, and the 2's months are back to back.( story 1:april. Story 2: March)
Personally, i think there WAS a rescue mission that took place, But it wasent an ordered rescue. More of the Drache pilot hearing about a downed pilot then going after him, like the second story says.
But because it was an Unofficial order, And the event took place due to the Pilots own wish to rescue the downed pilot, Instead of commands wish, Would it show up in the Draches official logs/documents?
I mean, From the Draches story, It sounds like they were on the run from the red army, And the bases they were landing at were on a constant threat of being overun. Maybe Order had fallen apart in those bases to the point where they had stoped documenting ever flight and activity the aircraft took place? So the only souce to go by is the personal pilot and/or witnesses testimony as to if it actually happened.
Just a thought.