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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: titanic3 on September 09, 2011, 09:33:58 PM
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Are there any Ki61 über elites drivers out there? :D Im really into the Ki61, and not to brag but I consider myself at least above average than most who flies the Ki61. But of course, I'm always looking to improve.
I set the cannons out to D600 and MGs at D400. I almost always take 50% fuel unless for long distances which I take 75%. I love the way the plane handles and it's gun packages. Ballistics seem decent, they're no Hispanoes, but I like them. Roll rate is great, and I'll BnZ targets I can't turn with and TnB with those I can like 190s, 109s and the likes.
Only real trouble for me is against planes like Mustangs and La7s where I can't climb or fly as fast as they can, and they'll hold all the advantage as soon as I drop below their altitude or with less E.
The Tony doesn't exactly accelerate like those two and it's top speed is mediocre, how can I out fly these guys?
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from what i know tongs is a good KI-61 pilot. he killed me in a turnfight when i was flying a brew back in january. :mad:
good guy none the less. he could probably teach all yalls about that there plane yer tryin to fly. ;)
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The ki-61 became my main perk gathering plane. Ive been experimenting with convergence. currently i have the cannons set at 350 with the nose guns set at 400, but i plan on changing that again soon.
It really is a nice plane for what it is. decent gun package, decent performance.
I had a 1v1 against a pony. I'll share my advice, im new to the KI61 aswell, and the pony was flown by a vtard. so take my advice for what it is :lol
The pony had a 3k alt advantage on me, and attempted to BnZ me. Every time he did, i'd break away from him. Finally i think he was starting to get frustrated with his BnZ fails, because he followed me into a turn, and attempted to turn fight with me, which I easily outurned him and shot his tail off.
I treat the ki61 as an 109f4 with 2 cannons instead of 1, drag them to the deck, drag em into a turn fight, and you should be able to survive :salute
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I like the KI-61 as well and there are at least two varients i would like to see in the game...one has more powerful engine with better speed and climb rate and was used in quantity and in combat and got kills(KI-61 II). and the other was the earlier version with 4 X .50cal machine guns...its lighter than current model and has the best climb rate of all KI-61 and KI-100 plane series.
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from what i know tongs is a good KI-61 pilot. he killed me in a turnfight when i was flying a brew back in january. :mad:
good guy none the less. he could probably teach all yalls about that there plane yer tryin to fly. ;)
Tongs and Karaya.........hands down the 2 best ive ever seen in the KI61
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Tongs and Karaya.........hands down the 2 best ive ever seen in the KI61
I guess you never saw Mitsu then.....
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Uber elite ...questionable....but I have spent a small amount of time in the Ki.....the biggest thing is find your niche for defencive fighting...now this doesn't mean being on the defensive at all times but fighting from a defensive position....most planes you come across have supeiority in some way or form however the Tony I find is a bit of a jack of all trades master of none and as such can mimic other fighters well.....you need to beat the pilot before you will beat the plane in many cases...I never consider the higher alt ride to have the advantage...it is right where I want them :D.....I do die alot because of this mentality though.
Keeeping E is essential as ..you know.....it doesn't accelerate or climb well...if you enter into a fight expect to be there till the end good or bad.....you may get a glimmer of escape in some instances but even with a good head start most other fighters will run you down...
I find a good speed for turn fighting is the 250 mark 20mph either side and you're good...over the 280 I find the turn is hard to keep up as I black out trying to get a tighter turn than many others.....
F4u's,F6F's and 38's are hard fought fights...if you can beat the name players in their respective rides then you don't need any more advice...
Guns I move between 375 and 400...depending on my mood...no real reason to converge the 20's other than for over the nose as they are pretty much a straight shooter...
Fuel....pretty much as you say.....
when you have alt....keep the nose as flat as possible and only nose down to gather a bit of speed...do all you can to bleed E from a con before you even attempt to follow up...be sure to (in the case of F4U's) bleed only enough to allow them a notch or 2 of flap as once they pop them all it is almost a fore gone cconclusion....most 38's will do their loop de loop thing...try not to follow..keep straight lines if possible..(something I fail at miserably :D) and keep your SA up as those planes below you can get up to you quicker than you can climb away from them in a lot of cases.
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I guess you never saw Mitsu then.....
Cant say i have
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I can only talk about the 109Gs vs the Ki-61.
They turn very well in the flat turn, use it as your advantage. The turn radius isnt as good, you may be trouble in the rolling scissor against the spitfires, so try to maintain your energy even in a TnB situation.
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Cant say i have
Mitsu was outstanding in the Ki-61... Always formidable and very highly respected. He's also a great guy.
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I can only talk about the 109Gs vs the Ki-61.
They turn very well in the flat turn, use it as your advantage. The turn radius isnt as good, you may be trouble in the rolling scissor against the spitfires, so try to maintain your energy even in a TnB situation.
What hurts the Ki-61 is the lack of acceleration and very poor flaps. This means that once the fight gets slow, the Ki-61 is in trouble. Once below corner speed, any 109 will dominate it, especially the G-2 and F-4.
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You flew that Ki61 well today over TT just cut back on the HOing <S>
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Hmm sorry Ace, I HO if I get fired on first or it's a 3 v 1 or more, which was definately happening over TT. But thanks for the compliment, I really appreciate it. :salute May we see each other in the virtual skies more.
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Mitsu was outstanding in the Ki-61... Always formidable and very highly respected. He's also a great guy.
:aok Good to know
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Hmm sorry Ace, I HO if I get fired on first or it's a 3 v 1 or more, which was definately happening over TT. But thanks for the compliment, I really appreciate it. :salute May we see each other in the virtual skies more.
It was 1v1. I was in a K4 good fight til ya did that..
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P-38s make short work of Ki-61s. :devil
I agree with Widewing on Mitsu, one of the better sticks to fly the Ki-61, along with the already mentioned Karaya. Odege also used to be one of the top Ki-61 pilots before he retired but fortunately, I do have his library of old films somewhere.
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P-38s make short work of Ki-61s. :devil
I agree with Widewing on Mitsu, one of the better sticks to fly the Ki-61, along with the already mentioned Karaya. Odege also used to be one of the top Ki-61 pilots before he retired but fortunately, I do have his library of old films somewhere.
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Odege...yes he was always fun to fight..I would say he is the person who got me liking the Ki61...
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also, with sticks coming from flying planes that don't turn as well, the ki-61 turns quite well as such you do not need to pull as hard as you can. Instead preserve 'e' by only pulling as hard as needed to achieve the desired result.
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Mitsu was outstanding in the Ki-61... Always formidable and very highly respected. He's also a great guy.
Yes I was.....:angel: so I fly only in the Ki-61 from now! :aok
:lol
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I do remember Kermit being an excellent Ki-61 stick keeping it in the horizontal fight - if you'd go vertical he would be waiting for you with his nose.
I flew it quite a few times in FSO/Snapshot - much respect for the Ki-61 however I don't consider myself any good in it.
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Tongs and Karaya.........hands down the 2 best ive ever seen in the KI61
Karaya :) :lol :rofl
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Are there any Ki61 über elites drivers out there? :D Im really into the Ki61, and not to brag but I consider myself at least above average than most who flies the Ki61. But of course, I'm always looking to improve.
I set the cannons out to D600 and MGs at D400. I almost always take 50% fuel unless for long distances which I take 75%. I love the way the plane handles and it's gun packages. Ballistics seem decent, they're no Hispanoes, but I like them. Roll rate is great, and I'll BnZ targets I can't turn with and TnB with those I can like 190s, 109s and the likes.
Only real trouble for me is against planes like Mustangs and La7s where I can't climb or fly as fast as they can, and they'll hold all the advantage as soon as I drop below their altitude or with less E.
The Tony doesn't exactly accelerate like those two and it's top speed is mediocre, how can I out fly these guys?
Don't use the Ki-61, it's probably the worst thing to get into a turn fight with. If you're looking for a turn fighter, get into a Brewster, and if you're not into that try an F4U or and I-16.
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Don't use the Ki-61, it's probably the worst thing to get into a turn fight with. If you're looking for a turn fighter, get into a Brewster, and if you're not into that try an F4U or and I-16.
The Ki can hold its own in a turn fight........its not a Zeke, or Brew but it dont underestimate its ability to turn fight. (just my opinion)
Karaya :) :lol :rofl
Yep :aok
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The Ki can hold its own in a turn fight........its not a Zeke, or Brew but it dont underestimate its ability to turn fight. (just my opinion)
The Ki-61 is fine turning, as long as you manage your E well. Like the P-40s and P-39D, if you get too slow, you get dead pretty quick. Poor acceleration and miserable flaps combine to make the Ki-61 suffer in stall fights.
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Don't use the Ki-61, it's probably the worst thing to get into a turn fight with. If you're looking for a turn fighter, get into a Brewster, and if you're not into that try an F4U or and I-16.
I fly a KI61 because I DON'T want to fly those planes. I prefer a plane with a challenge but can still kill (I'm not going to fly a D3A1, nor a Spitfire 16 or a P51D). However, I will fly planes with perk prices (Spit14/F4U4) because they have an amount of risk to them, which makes up for the challenging factor.
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I fly a KI61 because I DON'T want to fly those planes. I prefer a plane with a challenge but can still kill (I'm not going to fly a D3A1, nor a Spitfire 16 or a P51D). However, I will fly planes with perk prices (Spit14/F4U4) because they have an amount of risk to them, which makes up for the challenging factor.
The d3a and P51 are far from uber easy rides.
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The d3a and P51 are far from uber easy rides.
p51 is easymode if you stick to running and picking
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The d3a and P51 are far from uber easy rides.
Of course the D3A1 isn't an easy ride, it's just luck whether or not you get a kill. I want to earn my kill, not pray for it. :aok
The P51 IS IMO, speed = life and the Pony got lots of it to outrun/chase every plane out there. Yet I don't want to run, I want to fight. Pony gives bad habits because use its speed for every problem.
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p51 is easymode if you stick to running and picking
Well IMO, the Jug is probably the most simple aircraft. It's easy to use, if you know what you're doing, the E doesn't last long, but if you have good E you can always make a swift zoom climb. It's best to BNZ with it, however, most people use it like it's a Stuka, which was correct for it's roll but I argue that I would love to see a Jug comparable to the ratio of the M. The M performs quite well due to people not stocking it with bombs, also with a light gun package it can be borderline lethal (if you do not know how to use it). Same with the D11, however nobody really uses it, they either use a D-40, N, or an M. The D11 and D25 are my most favorite models. However, if there was no Jug to the game, I would probably end up flying P-40s, which are comparable. Not so much comparable in ord, but six .50s do good enough. Takes the same style as the Jug.
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The d3a and P51 are far from uber easy rides.
While it might be a difficult and challenging ride for you, in general the Mustang is not a difficult plane to fly or fight in.
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While it might be a difficult and challenging ride for you, in general the Mustang is not a difficult plane to fly or fight in.
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Well i guess if i had 10 years of my life to spare on a computer game then yea, i guess it wouldn't be so difficult for me.
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The D11 and D25 are my most favorite models.
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Well i guess if i had 10 years of my life to spare on a computer game then yea, i guess it wouldn't be so difficult for me.
Actually, this is a simple aircraft. I sucked at it though, the landing gear is almost too skinny. It's speed is decent, do NOT think you can win in a turn fight though, P-51s are horible at taking damage when bullets are in the wind of hitting the weak sheet metal of the engine. Really known by me for radiator problems. Best thing you can do is hit your enemy a few times and once he breaks you go straight, then bight him a gain while having an altitude advantage. I also didn't like the sights, they were to low to the panel.
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If you turn fight the pony its not so uber, but still easy in a way. You just got to do quick reversals to get your shot extend repeat. Works for me.
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If you turn fight the pony its not so uber, but still easy in a way. You just got to do quick reversals to get your shot extend repeat. Works for me.
+1, and it can do high speed flat turns better than most planes, great to bait people into a flat scissors, get them to turn in front of you and unleash your evil stream of 6 50s on.
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+1, and it can do high speed flat turns better than most planes, great to bait people into a flat scissors, get them to turn in front of you and unleash your evil stream of 6 50s on.
We think alike! That's exactly what I do in mine.
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KI 61 is a diving monster! Will catch a lot of planes in dive.
Even when you start to get heavy controls during extreme speed, it's
still very controllable to pull out of.
IMO, Ki- 61 is one of most under-rated planes.
Take it for a test spin, go to 12k, nose down.
Watch how fast you can dive and pull out :aok
:cheers: Oz