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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: alpini13 on September 20, 2011, 10:43:52 AM
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we have the KI-61-1d in the game right now,we could can have two others with the current model that could be a real benefit in the game. first an earlier model made in quantity KI-61-1B...differenc is it has 4 x .50cal for guns, is more nimbe,turns better due to its lighter weight,climbs better and has higher top speed than current model... and second the later version KI-61-II which has more power(ha140 engine instead of current ha40 engine) and therefore has a higher climb rate and better speed,and more service ceiling but with the same guns and ords loadout as the current version.
SPEED : early-592kph(368mph) current-580kph(360mph) late-610kph(379mph)
CLIMB RATE.early-5min 31sec/5000m(2982ft/min,CURRENT-7min/5000m(2343ft/min,LATE-6 min/5000m(2734ft/min
WEIGHT,early 3130kg(6886lbs) current 3470kg(7634lbs) late 3825kg(8415lbs)(as reference KI-100 3495kg(7689lbs)
since the KI-61 need a makeover anyhow..thats my wish...all climb rate,speed and weights come directly from kawasaki...weights are loaded weights.
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we have the KI-61-1d in the game right now,we could can have two others with the current model that could be a real benefit in the game. first an earlier model made in quantity KI-61-1B...differenc is it has 4 x .50cal for guns, is more nimbe,turns better due to its lighter weight,climbs better and has higher top speed than current model... and second the later version KI-61-II which has more power(ha140 engine instead of current ha40 engine) and therefore has a higher climb rate and better speed,and more service ceiling but with the same guns and ords loadout as the current version.
SPEED : early-592kph(368mph) current-580kph(360mph) late-610kph(379mph)
CLIMB RATE.early-5min 31sec/5000m(2982ft/min,CURRENT-7min/5000m(2343ft/min,LATE-6 min/5000m(2734ft/min
WEIGHT,early 3130kg(6886lbs) current 3470kg(7634lbs) late 3825kg(8415lbs)(as reference KI-100 3495kg(7689lbs)
since the KI-61 need a makeover anyhow..thats my wish...all climb rate,speed and weights come directly from kawasaki...weights are loaded weights.
Where are the sources?
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I agree on adding a few versions -
Ki-61-Ia
2,950kg fully loaded
Speed: 590km/5000m or roughly 367mph at 19,685
2x7.7 and 2x12.7mm K-Ha 40
Ki-61-Ib
3,130kg fully loaded
Speed: 592km/4,4860m 368mph at 15,945ft
4x12.7mm
Ki-61-II I am showing only 26 built, 69 for the Ki-61-II-Kai-A and 30 for Ki-61-II-Kai-B
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+10 for the update.
The Ki-61-I-Hei with the MG151/20 option as well as the 4 MG options would be a very nice addition to the game, for he Special Events and the MA's
The Ki-100 as well :aok
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+10 for the update.
The Ki-61-I-Hei with the MG151/20 option as well as the 4 MG options would be a very nice addition to the game, for he Special Events and the MA's
The Ki-100 as well :aok
I can only see you in the Special Events now, shooting everyone down in the "warm up" screaming "MOREEEEEEEEEEEE!"
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Where are the sources?
He said he got it right from Kawasaki
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I agree on adding a few versions -
Ki-61-Ia
2,950kg fully loaded
Speed: 590km/5000m or roughly 367mph at 19,685
2x7.7 and 2x12.7mm K-Ha 40
Ki-61-Ib
3,130kg fully loaded
Speed: 592km/4,4860m 368mph at 15,945ft
4x12.7mm
Ki-61-II I am showing only 26 built, 69 for the Ki-61-II-Kai-A and 30 for Ki-61-II-Kai-B
According to Francillon's Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War, 30 Ki-61-II KAI prototypes where built in 1944 and 99 Ki-61-II KA production models built in 1945. However, these numbers are later clarified in Francillon's book when he further mentions that 374 Ki-61-II KAIs production models were actually built but only 99 were fitted with engines, and a B-29 bombing raid leveled the factory that was producing the engines which left 275 Ki-61-II KIA's sitting around with no engines. The Ki's without the engines became the models that were converted to the Ki-100.
In Donald Nijboer's "P-38 Lightning vs. Ki-61 Tony - New Guinea 1943-1944", it goes further and mentions how 30 of the 99 finished Ki-61-II KAI production models were destroyed in the same B-29 raid that destroyed the production facilities. It also mentions that the Ki-61-II-KAI was used for homeland defense against B-29s as at the time it was the only successful IJAAF fighter to be able to intercept the B-29s at high altitudes.
None of the Ki-61-II-KAIs that I could find were used outside of the Japanese homeland and a large number of the remaining Ki-61-II-KAIs were formed into the 10th Hiko Shidan, which was a special attack unit similar to that of the Luftwaffe's Sonderkommando Elbe.
ack-ack
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I dont see your point ack ack, you state that the KI-61-II was built in similiar numbers as the P-47n which is in the game now,that the ki-61-II saw combat,was a production variant of a model we currently have and therfore fits all criteria for an addition in this game...and an easy one at that as we already have a similiar model to upgrade it from...thanks for the info...heres some additional info. KI-61-II shot down more allied aircraft(including b-29's) than all the japanese aircraft the P-47 N shot down and as for units,besides regular fighter units,these aircraft served in 13 special attack units,and 3 ramming attack units as well. and to clarify Kawasaki(the manufacturer) states there was 9 prototypes and 99 production variants of this late type with ha140 engines..the rest converted to KI-100.....and we havent talked about the earlier variant with 4 x .50cal machinguns.....592 built,with active combat service in squadron strength. thanks for agreeing that we should add both in an upcoming upgrade <S>
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I dont see your point ack ack,
This is my guess:
Where are the sources?
Since he quoted Butcher 'n all. :D
wrongway
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I'm on your side Alpini, as far as the updated Ki61 is concerned......but the Ki61-II did not shoot down more A/C than any other Japanese plane. That honor goes to another plane we need in the game....the Ki43.
Big +1 on the update and new planed
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Big +1 on the update and new planed
+1
ki-100 would be so nice to have too.
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Thanks guys,i think i made a typo in there,i was talking about the P-47M...not the N......and was saying the KI-61-II shot down more enemy planes than the P-47M...and yet we have the P-47M in the game....thanks again
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Why anyone would ever want more junkanese aircraft is beyond me...
:noid
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Why anyone would ever want more junkanese aircraft is beyond me...
:noid
Must you insist in showing us how idiotic you can be with each post?
ack-ack
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Thanks guys,i think i made a typo in there,i was talking about the P-47M...not the N......and was saying the KI-61-II shot down more enemy planes than the P-47M...and yet we have the P-47M in the game....thanks again
you really wanna know why we have the P-47M in game? because it saw service, was squadron strength, and was a big part of WW-2. same goes for any other airplane in here. :rolleyes:
just because a plane has more kills than another doesnt mean it cant be in the game...duh...
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Must you insist in showing us how idiotic you can be with each post?
ack-ack
someone cant take a joke.
Dont be so cranky gramps.
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you really wanna know why we have the P-47M in game? because it saw service, was squadron strength, and was a big part of WW-2. same goes for any other airplane in here. :rolleyes:
just because a plane has more kills than another doesnt mean it cant be in the game...duh...
Not really. We have it because it was a "free" plane graphically speaking. It uses the exact same geometry as the P-47D-40.
The P-47M played a part, but it was hardly a "big" part of WWII.
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Not really. We have it because it was a "free" plane graphically speaking. It uses the exact same geometry as the P-47D-40.
The P-47M played a part, but it was hardly a "big" part of WWII.
It was American.
Thats good enough for it to be considered a "big" part of WWII :neener:
-cue the star spangled banner- :x :salute :cheers:
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It was American.
hence the term being over-used "allies high"
:bhead
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hence the term being over-used "allies high"
Have you been in the Late War Arena lately? It's infested with 190s.
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Have you been in the Late War Arena lately? It's infested with 190s.
half of the reason i dont want to play much anymore, if its filled with runstangs, run90's and spits, well its just no fun...if they add a half-decent tank such as the StuG-III Ausf G or a pershing, or add the Yak-3/P47D-22 then it'd be worth it.
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half of the reason i dont want to play much anymore, if its filled with runstangs, run90's and spits, well its just no fun...if they add a half-decent tank such as the StuG-III Ausf G or a pershing, or add the Yak-3/P47D-22 then it'd be worth it.
up a Panzer H.
Dont turn the turret.
You got your Stug III.
Have fun.
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up a Panzer H.
Dont turn the turret.
You got your Stug III.
Have fun.
panzer 3 chassis and panzer 4 chassis are different. not to mention speeds, suspension, ect...
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panzer 3 chassis and panzer 4 chassis are different. not to mention speeds, suspension, ect...
Yes they are.
But no one mentioned the Panzer 3,
So why you are mentioning it now is beyond me.
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half of the reason i dont want to play much anymore, if its filled with runstangs, run90's and spits, well its just no fun...if they add a half-decent tank such as the StuG-III Ausf G or a pershing, or add the Yak-3/P47D-22 then it'd be worth it.
Out of curiosity, what should the MA be filled with?
Also, what is this board's recent fascination with the P-47D-22? What would it bring to the game?
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Yes they are.
But no one mentioned the Panzer 3,
So why you are mentioning it now is beyond me.
the panzer 3 chassis had 10mm less frontal armor i believe (not like it matters, panzers are split wide open by a can opener). also, the panzer 4 has skirts to dodge shaped charges. so there kinda different. the StuG III Ausf G. is built on a Pz-3 chassis. thats why i brought up the panzer 3
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the panzer 3 chassis had 10mm less frontal armor i believe (not like it matters, panzers are split wide open by a can opener). also, the panzer 4 has skirts to dodge shaped charges. so there kinda different. the StuG III Ausf G. is built on a Pz-3 chassis. thats why i brought up the panzer 3
So then you want a vehicle that's slower than what is currently offered with less frontal protection, in a variant in which the turret is not adjustable... that will make you happy?
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So then you want a vehicle that's slower than what is currently offered with less frontal protection, in a variant in which the turret is not adjustable... that will make you happy?
a vehicle that played a massive part in the battle of kursk, a vehicle thats just as good as the panzer IMO (there both split wide open with a toothpick anyways) and a vehicle that had over 3000 of them produced. not to mention it could potentially be harder to spot with a sillouhette lower than the panzer we have in game.
i believe it deserves its spot here. and its probably going to be the first tank destroyer in game if we do get it. it meets all the criteria to join the game. just a matter of modeling it.
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a vehicle that played a massive part in the battle of kursk, a vehicle thats just as good as the panzer IMO (there both split wide open with a toothpick anyways) and a vehicle that had over 3000 of them produced. not to mention it could potentially be harder to spot with a sillouhette lower than the panzer we have in game.
i believe it deserves its spot here. and its probably going to be the first tank destroyer in game if we do get it. it meets all the criteria to join the game. just a matter of modeling it.
First TD is the m18.
Edit: wait...that may not be true. I think the m3 with the 75mm is considered a TD. thus would make it the first.
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First TD is the m18.
Edit: wait...that may not be true. I think the m3 with the 75mm is considered a TD. thus would make it the first.
we dont know if we got the M18 yet. and the M3 with the 75mm isnt really considered a tank destroyer.
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the M3 with the 75mm isnt really considered a tank destroyer.
Yes it was, that was its main job.
ack-ack
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wow ,so many replies about tanks and tank destroyers in a KI-61 update post...thanks guys!