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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hotard on October 11, 2011, 05:24:46 PM
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Until the last couple of maps I put down the lack of bish success to weight of numbers, but it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there is general lack of interest in too many bish as to the outcome of the map. To be sure at times it's a gang-bang, but even when the numbers are there the interest isnt.
Just my observation
Flame on AKAK I know you can't resist. Come on, take the bait. Pigeon.
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who cares about the map. Enjoy the fight
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winning the war is the only time hotard gets any perk points... :D :neener:
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but it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there is general lack of interest in too many bish as to the outcome of the map.
Then that means many of them finally understand the point of the game; it's not "winning the map" - it's fighting and having fun doing it.
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Should KN try our luck on Bish?
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Should KN try our luck on Bish?
Other than late at night/early morning you would not be short of a fight
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Funny how the die hard Bishies never complained that the Nits were getting clobbered all those years. Spent four plus years on the Nits, hearing endless whines about lack of organization and teamwork. The numbers disparity has now hit the Bish (in US prime time) and they are whining the same whines now. It's all about numbers - that's your "teamwork". If it were possible to track, I'm certain that the team with the consistent numbers advantage is the team that wins the map every single time.
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Funny how the die hard Bishies never complained that the Nits were getting clobbered all those years. Spent four plus years on the Nits, hearing endless whines about lack of organization and teamwork. The numbers disparity has now hit the Bish (in US prime time) and they are whining the same whines now. It's all about numbers - that's your "teamwork". If it were possible to track, I'm certain that the team with the consistent numbers advantage is the team that wins the map every single time.
"In wolf war, he who has the mose wolves wins" True, but rooks are just more organized these days.
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"In wolf war, he who has the mose wolves wins" True, but rooks are just more organized these days.
How are rooks more organised than the nits??? both are rolling bish with not so much organisation (well I spose they are in the fact that they all show up in the same place at the same time) but just shear numbers.....by the time you get up there is a superior number of cons and then they just drop hangers decimate the field and town so that nothing can stop them. When they hit both fronts we are just totally out numbered having to split defense ....that is the way...sometimes if you are lucky they will leave a hanger up and deack the field so as the guys who want to fight can do so...but if the number of uppers starts to test the skill of these fighter pilots they just drop the last hanger...all in all this is usually a 3-5 min deal and it is all over onto the next..... I believe the bish are doing well for what they are working against at times and when things even out and calm down bish replenish their field quota.....
It's all swings and round-a-bouts ..... we will have our day again
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Funny. I was just logged in watching a Rook whine on 200 about Bish and Nits ganging the Rooks.
Maybe the Bish and Knits are more organized then you think... :noid
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who cares about the map. Enjoy the fight
As much as it pains me to say it, he said it best.
Shush and just enjoy the game. The tide flows and ebbs in 3 different directions, have you not figured that out yet???
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Invariably, people who are fixated on winning the war haven't been playing very long, and haven't discovered the myriad of things you can do/learn in this game
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Today, a small group of Bish had 44 town (large airfield) deacked and softened the town up. No Rooks were lifting except uncklekurt. We'd fly over, deliver our ords and then fly back or get shot down by field ack or Kurt. Very fun, but we still should have went ahead and got the capture if the Rooks didn't want to defend. Instead of a handful of guys coming to help out 44, Bish Nation decided to furball it out. We've lost most of our momentum gaining leaders. Chewies gone and so are the Devils. STREGA mentioned today he was about done with missions. That leaves the Alchemist leaders. That's a handful of people to lead an entire nation. Bish Nation needs more of the old hands to step up and lead us young guys. Sure there are missions posted, bug they're posted by the inexperienced. People will follow the names they know. Just my thoughts :joystick:
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Bish Nation needs more of the old hands to step up and lead us young guys.
The best thing I can say to you, as a long time member of Rolling Thunder (formerly a Bishop base rolling squad), learn from the old hands who have moved on from the base rolling game. Learn that the game is more fun when you are fighting actual other players who can fight back. Learn that blowing up inanimate buildings gets boring. Learn that it's more fun to shoot down other pilots who have had their wheels up for more then four seconds. Learn that shutting all the hangars down makes for no fighting. Learn that it is more fun to be 1 on 1 against an opponent then it is to be the sixth guy in on a badly outnumbered defender.
There's so much to learn... Learn.
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I thought the rooks were the new nits? Or was it that the bish were the rooks of last week? Or are the nits the same as last week just less motivated, therefore becoming the bish hordes of yesteryear?
My point is the population is dynamic, some nights your the bully and others your the bit... well, you know.
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That's the thing, I tire of the pointless furballing lol. Its all well and good, but I like the strategic aspect of the game.
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The best thing I can say to you, as a long time member of Rolling Thunder (formerly a Bishop base rolling squad), learn from the old hands who have moved on from the base rolling game. Learn that the game is more fun when you are fighting actual other players who can fight back. Learn that blowing up inanimate buildings gets boring. Learn that it's more fun to shoot down other pilots who have had their wheels up for more then four seconds. Learn that shutting all the hangars down makes for no fighting. Learn that it is more fun to be 1 on 1 against an opponent then it is to be the sixth guy in on a badly outnumbered defender.
There's so much to learn... Learn.
Well said Dan........ :salute
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Well said Dan........ :salute
LOL Dave........ :aok :O
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That's the thing, I tire of the pointless furballing lol. Its all well and good, but I like the strategic aspect of the game.
indeed having strategic gameplay is really fun, check out the screenshots forum, i posted one exemple of what happened today there at v2
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,204187.5235.html
one guy deacked the base and later they posted a gv mission, i went to support the mission with the tank buster, took out the AT guns and helped with a few tanks, was a fun capture.
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Well said Dan........ :salute
:rofl
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Until the last couple of maps I put down the lack of bish success to weight of numbers, but it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there is general lack of interest in too many bish as to the outcome of the map. To be sure at times it's a gang-bang, but even when the numbers are there the interest isnt.
Just my observation
Flame on AKAK I know you can't resist. Come on, take the bait. Pigeon.
I'm Bish and I usually feel successful. I kill more guys than kill me and usually do it in every aspect of the game. How's that not success?
As to the map they come and go. In the few hours a week I get to play I'd prefer to kill people than toolsheds.
Good luck against that town building... I hear it's awsome.
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Funny. I was just logged in watching a Rook whine on 200 about Bish and Nits ganging the Rooks.
Maybe the Bish and Knits are more organized then you think... :noid
Rooks were ganged by knits and bish Tuesday night. Not more than one Bish/Knit field was taken by the other country. Maybe that map has the southern country at a disadvantage but when rooks are up north it's more balanced.
2 countries verses 1, 280 players V 116 makes for a great horde opportunity. Thats great if you love playing with your self as few will defend only to be vulched on the field.
Some good fights though. :salute to those that don't go with the flow (Horde)
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That's the thing, I tire of the pointless furballing lol. Its all well and good, but I like the strategic aspect of the game.
referring back to what caldera mentioned.. numbers = strategy also. there is no real strategy.
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The fight is the game. The map is just something to fly over.
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Every country spends their time in the bucket, it seems to go in cycles. The countries are also a lot more alike than different, you take a sample group of a few hundred people (or however many constitute the population of players who stick to one country or another) you're going to get about the same smattering of personality types.
As someone who flies all three countries at one point or another over the course of a month scoring tour I see and hear the same complaints about this country or that being more organized, or better than the country where the complaints are originating.
It does seem like the bish are on the down and out numbers wise during US prime time these days, but like other things in AH this too shall pass. :)
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one advice, bishs
dont spend your entire day camping 135 and you wont lose the war. cheers
:bhead
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The fight is the game. The map is just something to fly over.
<golf clap>
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yawn..... As long as the mechanics for incentivizing people to switch to the low numbered side are failing, one country will always have the short end of the stick and 'fair' gameplay will continue to cease to exist.
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Then that means many of them finally understand the point of the game; it's not "winning the map" - it's fighting and having fun doing it.
I think your wrong, the offical Help page from HiTec on Game Play reads:
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High. "
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Until the last couple of maps I put down the lack of bish success to weight of numbers, but it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there is general lack of interest in too many bish as to the outcome of the map. To be sure at times it's a gang-bang, but even when the numbers are there the interest isnt.
Just my observation
Flame on AKAK I know you can't resist. Come on, take the bait. Pigeon.
:lol Hotard, you really need to take a break man. It's clear to me that you're just not having fun anymore. 10 or 12 months away does wonders in how you approach the game, trust me. :old:
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I think your wrong, the offical Help page from HiTec on Game Play reads:
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High. "
You can shoot buidings off line. You can attack any inanimate object you want.
Online fly against people. :)
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So if the Bish are the new Knights, then that makes the Rooks the new Bish, and the Knights the new Rook. Right? :uhoh
GAH my head hurts..... :bhead
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You can shoot buidings off line. You can attack any inanimate object you want.
Online fly against people. :)
HiTech was talking about the online arena. Also, when you attack a base, very often, that base is defended by people that you must inture fly against to overcome the defenses and capture the base.
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HiTech was talking about the online arena. Also, when you attack a base, very often, that base is defended by people that you must inture fly against to overcome the defenses and capture the base.
If you like shooting inanimate objects have at it.
We''ll be over the terrain fighting :)
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HiTech was talking about the online arena. Also, when you attack a base, very often, that base is defended by people that you must inture fly against to overcome the defenses and capture the base.
I believe you misspelled "in turn fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Wiley.
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I believe you misspelled "in turn fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Wiley.
sorry, my bad, should have read: "HiTech was talking about the online arena. Also, when you attack a base, very often, that base is defended by people that you must in turn fly against to overcome the defenses and capture the base."
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sorry, my bad, should have read: "HiTech was talking about the online arena. Also, when you attack a base, very often, that base is defended by people that you must in turn fly against to overcome the defenses and capture the base."
Nope. Still doesn't look right. You still misspelled "in turn fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Wiley.
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Nope. Still doesn't look right. You still misspelled "in turn fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Wiley.
:ahand
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Nope. Still doesn't look right. You still misspelled "in turn fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Wiley.
trust me, I never intended to say "fly over to obliterate the hangars".
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trust me, I never intended to say "fly over to obliterate the hangars".
ahhhhh there he said it.
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trust me, I never intended to say "fly over to obliterate the hangars".
Well, that's the net result in the arena. One side hordes up and either suppresses the base under the sheer weight of all the zerglings over it, or drops the hangars. An actual attempted base take probably only results in a fight one out of 20 times.
Wiley.
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Well, that's the net result in the arena. One side hordes up and either suppresses the base under the sheer weight of all the zerglings over it, or drops the hangars. An actual attempted base take probably only results in a fight one out of 20 times.
Wiley.
That's not my experience, but I only started doing this back in the AW days. I know there are hordes and there are NOE missions that completly shut down bases, but I've also seen one or two guys hit a base with one or two guy up to defend and slowly over time, you end up with 20 to 30 guys attacking and 20 to 30 guys defending, they fight for hours over and around the base. Not sure what your expecting but if it's just one on one type of fights, you can find those in the MA but you have to go looking for them. I don't know so I"ll ask, are you an active pilot in the MA ?
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That's not my experience, but I only started doing this back in the AW days. I know there are hordes and there are NOE missions that completly shut down bases, but I've also seen one or two guys hit a base with one or two guy up to defend and slowly over time, you end up with 20 to 30 guys attacking and 20 to 30 guys defending, they fight for hours over and around the base. Not sure what your expecting but if it's just one on one type of fights, you can find those in the MA but you have to go looking for them. I don't know so I"ll ask, are you an active pilot in the MA ?
I've only been around AH for a year and a half this time around, about a six month stretch a few months previous to that.
The two guys hitting a base is not a base take. The two guys hitting a base is two guys who are sick of the horde trying to get a fight going. This sometimes works, and the situation you've described above unfolds. If there's a credible defense at the defending base, take a look at the planes on the offensive side of the above scenario. At most, 10% of them are carrying ord. The other 90% are light, and looking for a vulch.
Wiley.
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I think your wrong, the offical Help page from HiTec on Game Play reads:
"Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective in Aces High. "
Really because on the features page it clearly states this:
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war.
ack-ack
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Really because on the features page it clearly states this:
ack-ack
really, check it out.
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Akak,
The last I checked the front page featured a new tank. :headscratch:
Anyhow, flying with Bishops this morning, was the first time in a while that I did more than just hang and talk with my buds, get bored of non fights and log off.
Salute fellas, Bishops were on a nice roll.
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really, check it out.
Akak,
The last I checked the front page featured a new tank. :headscratch:
Anyhow, flying with Bishops this morning, was the first time in a while that I did more than just hang and talk with my buds, get bored of non fights and log off.
Salute fellas, Bishops were on a nice roll.
Then you should get HTC to change the wording on the features page.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/Flight-Sim/Aces-High/gameinfo-features-art.html
ack-ack
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Don't bother, they only see what they want to see.
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Sorry that I am fanning the flames a bit on this thread. Mostly, we should be talking about gameplay options. Ack-Ack, has pointed out, and I also read in a thread that the "war" was HTC's incentive to produce air combat. Giving the chess pieces someplace to gather.
I hear and support both arguments, when things result in extremes. Things in moderation (including the # of hours I spend playing = way, way too much) usually do not present harm. If all we are doing is air combat DA is the place (and a wonderful place it is at times, well done HTC). The same could be said for other arenas Axis versus Allies, Early / Mid War, Special Events, and now Custom Arenas.
When folks log on to interact with other online players, it is frustrating at times to be either forced to fly in the face of the oncoming horde or the reverse, have no enemy cons attacking your 3rd chess piece at all. In the latter instance, what is there left to do? The answer is what Bishops did to perfection early this morning:
Knights owned 2 isolated Bishop bases (obviously captured from sea). Since these two bases threatened to spread and shorten the defensive or offensive options for the Bishop fields, they were effectively dealt with. This amounted to large numbers of bombers, GVs and fighter / attackers overwhelming the first field. The large force was necessary to preserve the bases hangars to complete the objective which was complete ejection of Knights from their isolated position on Bishop turf. Completing the first objective was more difficult giving that base did still have the support for the second northern base. Once the last base was completely isolated, there was no need to preserve any hangars or field bunkers. A equally ( if not more impressive) force assembled and FLATTENED the targeted field, troops flew in with very little contested opposition. Textbook in my opinion.
So, don't hate the player, hate the rules. There have been many suggestions as to a different style of gameplay, until other arenas gain the population needed to present an alternative, this is what you have.
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Until the last couple of maps I put down the lack of bish success to weight of numbers, but it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there is general lack of interest in too many bish as to the outcome of the map. To be sure at times it's a gang-bang, but even when the numbers are there the interest isnt.
Just my observation
Flame on AKAK I know you can't resist. Come on, take the bait. Pigeon.
(Yawn...) No offense, but same story- different year. It'll pass.
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(Yawn...) No offense, but same story- different year. It'll pass.
Hey Egg u back??????????????
I'm sure it will pass in time, just discouraging to see so many apathetic bish.
Debrody is right about 135 on the trinity map. We took 187 once, killed the spawn fight, man were the bish pissed.
Sad when one of our opponents is 1 or 2 base captures away from winning the map and half the bish, and all the 3rd party are slugging it out trying to take a base from each other, and let the dominant country get an easy win.
Before the 12 hour side change rule I thing you saw numbers more balanced day in and day out, as guys would swap sides to take advantage of perk costs. Now they just live with it cuz they don't want to have to wait 12 hours to switch back. Think HTC shot themselves in the foot with that one.
AKAK cudos to you for more or less non-flaming posts
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Debrody es un fleto culiao!
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Debrody es un fleto culiao!
Debrody is Phil Atio? Huh?
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Bish are the Diet Coke of the 3 countries , almost a Knight but less calories, :D
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Hey Egg u back??????????????
I'm sure it will pass in time, just discouraging to see so many apathetic bish.
Debrody is right about 135 on the trinity map. We took 187 once, killed the spawn fight, man were the bish pissed.
Sad when one of our opponents is 1 or 2 base captures away from winning the map and half the bish, and all the 3rd party are slugging it out trying to take a base from each other, and let the dominant country get an easy win.
Before the 12 hour side change rule I thing you saw numbers more balanced day in and day out, as guys would swap sides to take advantage of perk costs. Now they just live with it cuz they don't want to have to wait 12 hours to switch back. Think HTC shot themselves in the foot with that one.
AKAK cudos to you for more or less non-flaming posts
complain all you want but since the 12 hour switching went into effect I have yet to be on one mission that was pounced by a gang of fighters waiting for us.
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The only constant in this game anymore is Midway on 200.
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Hey Egg u back??????????????
Not just yet. I still stop by the boards quite a bit, but for now the game isn't on the priority list. We'll see what happens after this year is done.
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That's not my experience, but I only started doing this back in the AW days. I know there are hordes and there are NOE missions that completly shut down bases, but I've also seen one or two guys hit a base with one or two guy up to defend and slowly over time, you end up with 20 to 30 guys attacking and 20 to 30 guys defending, they fight for hours over and around the base. Not sure what your expecting but if it's just one on one type of fights, you can find those in the MA but you have to go looking for them. I don't know so I"ll ask, are you an active pilot in the MA ?
The one or 2 early guys are porking.
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The one or 2 early guys are porking.
...or that. :)
Wiley.
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Before the 12 hour side change rule I thing you saw numbers more balanced day in and day out, as guys would swap sides to take advantage of perk costs. Now they just live with it cuz they don't want to have to wait 12 hours to switch back. Think HTC shot themselves in the foot with that one.
Before the 12-hour switch you often had a huge imbalance because two sides were ganging up on the 3rd giving them a 2-1 advantage all along both their fronts with no ENY. Now with the 12-hour switch you often have a huge imbalance because two sides are ganging up on the 3rd giving them a 2-1 advantage all along both their fronts with no ENY. In other words, side switching does nothing at all to address the main factor causing huge numerical imbalances and neither does ENY. Whether they go to a 1-hour switch or a 72-hour switch you'll still see the same situation until they wake up and implement zone or front ENY.
(OTOH, if you're one of those folks who say they want to simulate RL WW2 air combat, you can just up a 152 or N1K and enjoy the chance to simulate the actual conditions in which those planes were flown...) :lol
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Only there were very few 152s that saw combat. So few that I am surprised it is in the game.