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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: perdue3 on October 13, 2011, 04:55:05 PM
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nuff said
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no
(http://home.vrweb.de/~max.oppl/v1he111.jpg)
now its enough said ;)
cu christian
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One of the most glaring holes in the AH lineup. :headscratch:
The He111 would be great to have for a multitude of reasons!!! PLEASE seriously consider the He111! :pray
:)
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+10
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+10
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-Mixed/images/Heinkel-He-111-dropping-a-SC-1000-Demyansk-Area-Russia-Feb-1942-01.jpg)
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+1 For the He-111 :x
-1 for not enough pictures :bhead
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/he111-19.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-385-0586-16_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/he111l-b.jpg)
:D
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+20
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(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-KG1.10-(V4+AU)/images/1-He-111H-KG1.10-(V4+AU)-Battle-of-Britain-1939-01.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-KG27.2-(1G+HK)/images/1-He-111H6-KG27.2-(1G+HK)-Russia-1943-01.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-KG1.10-(V4+EU)/images/1-He-111H-KG1.10-(V4+EU)-summer-1940-01.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-Mixed/images/Heinkel-He-111H-mixed-war-time-BW-photographs-20.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/He-111/He-111H-Mixed/images/Heinkel-He-111H-mixed-war-time-BW-photographs-19.jpg)
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rather see ju88c
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rather see ju88c
Ju88c??? You want a "heavy fighter/night fighter" armed with a single 20mm in the nose over the He111???? :headscratch:
*says to all the smart guys**
I'll grab the club, who wants the first swing.... ;)
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more cannon fodder for my p40.
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He-111 in my top 3 on my wishlist. :)
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+30
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He111 is on the short list.
In alphabetic order:
Beaufighter
D4Y
He111
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
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He111 is on the short list.
In alphabetic order:
Beaufighter
D4Y
He111
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
Yak-3
you forgot that. not to mention the yak-3 is UBER sexy! but i think we deserve the Pe-2 the most since we dont even have a russian bomber in game. only 6 russian vehicles in all i believe.
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He111 is on the short list.
In alphabetic order:
IAR-80
Beaufighter
D4Y
He111
Ki-43
LaGG-3
Pe-2
Wellington
Yak-1
;)
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Yak-3 would be nice, but it doesn't make the short list in my opinion because it doesn't fill a gap, just broadens coverage along with the Yak-9U, La-5FN and La-7.
IAR-80 would be nice as well, but doesn't make the short list due to being so minor a player.
If I were to extend the short list to 10 it would be something like:
B6N2
C.200
Curtis Hawk
SM.79-II
The He111, preferably in a Battle of Britain and a later war version, is a gap filler due to its low use potential in the LWA.
Now, hopefully we get a mix of gap fillers and MA toys. MA toys on my list are:
H8K2
J2M3 and/or J2M5
Ju188A-1
Ki-44-II
Me410A and/or Me410B
Tu-2
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Ju88c??? You want a "heavy fighter/night fighter" armed with a single 20mm in the nose over the He111???? :headscratch:
*says to all the smart guys**
I'll grab the club, who wants the first swing.... ;)
wiki is not ur friend ju88c6 had 3 mg 17mm and 1 20mm mounted in the nose
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/Ju88FighterNeatPaintScheme-1.jpg)
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wiki is not ur friend ju88c6 had 3 mg 17mm and 1 20mm mounted in the nose
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/Ju88FighterNeatPaintScheme-1.jpg)
Wouldn't you rather have the Ju88G-6?
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+1 for any Axis bomber.
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The 111 wouldnt be better than the betty: perk farmer/cannon fodder in the scenarios. still a +1/2
ju188 anyone?
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Still tough escorting a Ju 88C in a 109E
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bump
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-5
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Needed above all other planes, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary:
He-111 H4
He-111 H11
190 F-1/U3
IAR-80B/C
SdKfz 251/22
G.55
M3 Stuart
Panzer III E, J, and L
Crusader
Matilda
StuG III
Cromwell
Churchill
Hetzer
109E-7
109G6 w/ 30mm
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Needed above all other planes, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary:
He-111 H4
He-111 H11
190 F-1/U3
IAR-80B/C
SdKfz 251/22
G.55
M3 Stuart
Panzer III E, J, and L
Crusader
Matilda
StuG III
Cromwell
Churchill
Hetzer
109E-7
109G6 w/ 30mm
You're a loon. The Ki-43 alone is more important than most of that stuff combined.
Bf109E-7? Puh-leez.
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BIG negative ghost rider.
Our EW bomber set is pathetic, our EW GV set is basicly non-existant, our MW one is lacking, Germany has no ground-attack planes to compete with the IL-2 and the 190F1/U3 would provide us with one. Germany has no assult guns or Tank Destroyers, the Italians have a grand total of 2 aircraft, the Luftwaffe is lacking in late-Earlywar fighters, and the 109G is lacking a spud gun.
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190F8 is your German ground attack.
The 109G14 has the option of the MK108.
The early war bombers could use help. Wellington, He-111s and Do-17s. Update the Boston, Ju-87 and Ju-88 as well as adding early war variants of them.
The C20x also needs a facelift, the G.55 would see plenty of MA use, while the SM.79 would act as an early war Italian bomber.
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Its our ground-attack aircraft, but in most cases it can't compete with the Il-2. Its much more difficult to use effectivly, and some never can, it carries only 1 bomb of any considerable size, the 50kg bombs requiring near-direct hits to be effective.
And the G14 isn't used in some scenarios. If I'm in a G6 in a scenario, I want the tater gun, since without it, you have to choose between acceptable manuverability, or good snapshot capability.
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BIG negative ghost rider.
Our EW bomber set is pathetic, our EW GV set is basicly non-existant, our MW one is lacking, Germany has no ground-attack planes to compete with the IL-2 and the 190F1/U3 would provide us with one. Germany has no assult guns or Tank Destroyers, the Italians have a grand total of 2 aircraft, the Luftwaffe is lacking in late-Earlywar fighters, and the 109G is lacking a spud gun.
Those are gaps, but you display an incredible myopia when you claim that those gaps are bigger that a gaping chasm like the absence of the Ki-43 is to the Pacific and CBI theater settings.
Missing the Ki-43 is like not having any Bf109.
As to early war bombers, your list is a farce if it doesn't have the Wellington on it as well.
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No, missing the A6M would be like not having a 109. While the Ki-43 was more significant historicly, it can be subbed for by the A6M better than the Panzer III E can be subbed for with the Panzer IV F, or the Crusader can be subbed for by a mix of M8's and M4's, or the He-111 H4 can be subbed for by the Ju-88A4, or the 109E-7 by the 109E-4 (A6M at least gives a firepower bonus to compensate for the reduced speed or manuverabilty).
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That you think the A6M is more similar to the Ki-43 than the Bf109E-4 is to the Bf109E-7 is funny.
The Bf109E-7 is a Bf109E-4 with a very slightly more powerful engine and drop tank capability. Bf109 fans whining about the lack of the Bf109E-7 is like Spitfire fans whining about the lack of the Spitfire Mk II.
I think you are much more familiar with the German equipment and so the difference in each model mean a lot to you as you see their significance. Your weakness is that you downplay and dismiss the differences between things you are not as familiar with.
On the one hand you are right, the A6M and Ki-43 both pretty much have to play the turning game against the American fighters. On the other hand, you are wrong in that one can dismiss the differences between the Bf109 and Fw190 by saying one can sub for the other as against Spitfires and Hurricanes both have to avoid turn fights.
The fact is that the Ki-43, fragile and inadequate as it was, was one of the core fighters of WWII, right up there with the Bf109, Fw190, Hurricane, Spitfire, LaGG/La series, Yak series, P-38, P-47, P-51, F4F, F4U, F6F and A6M.
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I never said the 190 and 109 can sub for eachother. The play styles are completly different, as are most of the plane's strengths and weaknesses.
I'm not saying that the A6M makes a perfect sub for the Ki-43, just that the differences in combat are less pronounced than, say, a panzer IV subbing for a Panzer III, which makes a substitution easier and more realistic.
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Point is...
He 111
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I believe this would be a true Hanger Queen in the MA, and even in early war, but for events, I believe it to be invaluable. I would sort of liken it to the G4m. (not in specs, but in how it would be used)
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My only problem with the Betty is that if a crewman wets himself, it'll catch fire. If included, you'll see more He-111's than the G4M1's because they can carry a heavier payload and wouldn't likely catch fire so easily.
Betty:
Greater Range
Better Climb (I believe)
Heinkel:
Heavier Payload
Better Survivability
And yes, I know BOTH planes are fragile.
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My only problem with the Betty is that if a crewman wets himself, it'll catch fire. If included, you'll see more He-111's than the G4M1's because they can carry a heavier payload and wouldn't likely catch fire so easily.
Betty:
Greater Range
Better Climb (I believe)
Heinkel:
Heavier Payload
Better Survivability
And yes, I know BOTH planes are fragile.
I didn't phrase it right I guess :uhoh
What I meant was that like the Betty it is invaluable to scenarios, Whish I think is AWESOME, but not so useful in the MA.
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No, no, I meant in the EWA and even in LWA. My fault for not mentioning that. :bhead I would agree though, that it would be a Hanger Queen in LWA but if you were to see people use either the G4M1 or the He-111, you'd likely see more He-111's is my guess. :aok
Oh yeah, the He-111 would truly be sweet to have for scenarios, especially BoB. Of course it wouldn't stop there. :x
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+1
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/WWII%20Photo%20Collection/HE111.jpg) :D
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Who cares about MA? Im an evenet dweeb. WE NEED the He 111, have since 99.
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Needed above all other planes, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary:
He-111 H4
He-111 H11
190 F-1/U3
IAR-80B/C
SdKfz 251/22
G.55
M3 Stuart
Panzer III E, J, and L
Crusader
Matilda
StuG III
Cromwell
Churchill
Hetzer
109E-7
109G6 w/ 30mm
:salute total agreement
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any reason to NOT have this in game?
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He-111 will be the next bomber I think. . .even if the Russians will cry about it.
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moin
im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)
cu christian
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im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)
hmmm... that would require some developement in the gaming mechanism...
even if we dont get that, the 111 can be a GREAT perk farmer.
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moin
i dont think its hard to create, the aiming mechanismus could be like the old land mode on the 8" gun on the cruiser.
would be real fun to fly with a few guys to a fire position and lounch a few v1 :-)
cu christian
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moin
im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)
cu christian
moin, you're wrong...again.
i'm sure the real information is out there, in german so you can understand it...try looking it up.
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Bring on the He-111. The G4M is lonely. Add it just to stop the incessant pleas from people that won't ever fly it again after the first week.
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moin
im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)
cu christian
:) Strats beware!
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moin, you're wrong...again.
i'm sure the real information is out there, in german so you can understand it...try looking it up.
do not get it??
what do you mean?
cu christian
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V1 Buzz bombed were only roughly aimed. Overly simplified, they pointed them sorta at the target, set a rough distatance to the target (so the buzz bombs would hit at the right point along their vector of travel), and then lit them off.
So what he means is that a 'land gunner' system would be overly accurate, and unrealistic.
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Bring on the He-111. The G4M is lonely. Add it just to stop the incessant pleas from people that won't ever fly it again after the first week.
Youre missing the point pal. I will NEVER fly it in MA, youre right. But I am SO FREAKIN TIRED of havin a Ju 88 substitute for it in events. If you dont fly events, you wont understand.
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Got 39.15 bomber perks on a single G4M1 sortie in the LWA last night. Got shot down by a P-47 just before I made it home though. Smoked his engine at least.
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He111 is on the short list.
In alphabetic order:
Beaufighter
D4Y
He111
Ki-43
LaGG-3Pe-2WellingtonYak-1
this means BIG NEGATIVE!
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this means BIG NEGATIVE!
Please explain yourself. Highlighting those does not make any sense. It is like you randomly highlighted some of what I listed and not others.
Are you familiar with the units you highlighted?
Almost 6,000 Ki-43s. Not a high performance game breaker at all.
LaGG-3 is a low performance, early war Russian fighter.
Wellington was the most prolific British bomber with 11,000 built, but it was slow, carried only 4,500lbs and defended by .303s. Tough though.
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Please explain yourself. Highlighting those does not make any sense. It is like you randomly highlighted some of what I listed and not others.
Are you familiar with the units you highlighted?
Almost 6,000 Ki-43s. Not a high performance game breaker at all.
LaGG-3 is a low performance, early war Russian fighter.
Wellington was the most prolific British bomber with 11,000 built, but it was slow, carried only 4,500lbs and defended by .303s. Tough though.
and the lagg 3 breaks easy, it is beautifull tho and didn't they have a version with big cannons?
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Karnak, it seems you REALLY want stuff whos absense isn't a big issue in scenarios and is infact not even noticed by most, and are just more hanger queens/(30mm) cannon fodder in the MA.
Yeah, I would love to see a 109E-1, a 109F-1, a 109F-3, or scenario-specific GV's like the Panzerjager I, but that doesn't mean they're important, NEEDED, or even widely missed.
At least you actually have planes that can fill in for the one listed with a minimum of compensation or balancing needed, but we're just finally starting to get some EW/MW GV's. What more do you want, egg in your beer?
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Sorry, but you are full of you know what. While I agree that the Wellington has limited use in scenarios due to being a night bomber after the Battle of France, the LaGG-3 and Ki-43's absence is a big issue. Far more so that your minor differences Bf109E-7 and crap.
GVs are entirely a non-issue for scenarios, all of them.
The reason I push the Wellington is that it works for earlier settings and I well remember my Bf109E-4 being run down by a Boston Mk III in a Norway setting. While the Boston couldn't kill me, it did force me to maneuver, thus allowing the slow Hurricane Mk Is to catch up.
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I've been pushing for GV's in scenarios since the first one I've flown. One of the reasons I'm told is that many of the recent events would be difficult to balance with our current GV set.
For example, a North Afrika scenario including GV's would be easier to do now, because we have the Panzer IV F. Give them the Panzer IV, bolstered by a handfull of Tiger's, and give the allies the M4 bolstered with a double handfull of M4(76)'s (to represent 6lber armed british tanks, and Tank Destroyers).
As I've said, before, and is undeniably true, the A6M's can fill in for the Ki-43's with less pronounced differences in combat, than we would have with using LW GV's for EW setups, and trying to balance those out by throwing in OTHER latewar GV's.
Not real familiar with the LaGG, and I'm leery of wikipidea, but isn't its preformance pretty close to the I-16's? If not, then I'll give you that one, for setup-specific vehicles.
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Just because you claim something does not make it true. The Bf109E-7 is not more different from the Bf109E-4 than the Ki-43-I is from the A6M2, given that the latter two are completely different airframes with completely different flight characteristics.
I doubt GVs will ever be able to be a significant part of a scenario, not matter how complete the lineup is. They simply operate on too different a timescale compared to airplanes.
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I never said it was more different, I said it would be more helpfull, theres a difference. We run (based on past events) many more more ETO/MTO events than we do PTO ones, which puts the 109E-7 at a higher level of urgency than the Ki-43, which has a higher level of need for its (limited) events.
IMO, their priority being about equal, I chose the one I would use more to put on my list.
They opperate on a different time scale, yes. But thats only a problem if we're unwilling to make any attempt to fix it.
Give 4 lives, maybe 5. A string of objectives, such as defending a strategic hill, valley, river crossing, or what have you, and have their home base change AS THEY ADVANCE. If they push the enemy out of the strategic area, they get to capture a nearby "neutral" (owned by the side not representing one of the two combatants in the scenario) base, and use it as their base.
It would be perfectly feasable to have GV's in the scenarios, the event planners just seem a little reluctant to try.
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+1 to the He-111, I would fly it and its needed for the special events....even though its German crap :banana:
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You are in complete, absolute looney land if you think the Bf109E-7 has anything near the priority of the Ki-43. I mean, so far out there you can't even see the rainbow anymore. I don't even know what mental gymnastics you could be doing to make those equivalent in your mind. It isn't just me saying that either, so don't begin to paint me as having the way out there opinion. You're the one all by yourself out on the limb.
Has it, perhaps, occurred to you that one reason Pacific setups don't get run is the lack of Japanese planes?
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Same could be said of GV's. You're just speculating with the GV's, you don't KNOW.
Stop changing gears in the argument, first the GV's don't see much action because they're too hard to adapt to the scenario timeframe (complete BS) and the complete lack of an light armor, which is a must for a good EW/MW event, has nothing to do with it.
But the biggest reason not many PTO events are ran is because of a lack of japanese planes, and not because of the relative lack of interest (as shown by the Coral Sea event, which was canceled due to low registration) :rolleyes:.
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Please explain yourself. Highlighting those does not make any sense. It is like you randomly highlighted some of what I listed and not others.
Are you familiar with the units you highlighted?
Almost 6,000 Ki-43s. Not a high performance game breaker at all.
LaGG-3 is a low performance, early war Russian fighter.
Wellington was the most prolific British bomber with 11,000 built, but it was slow, carried only 4,500lbs and defended by .303s. Tough though.
Im trying to say NO to wellington, Ki-43 but now yes to LaGG-3 It has 2 50's and 1 20mm! GO PACKERS (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/1Nicolas/GBpackgo.png)GO!
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Karnak, it seems you REALLY want stuff whos absense isn't a big issue in scenarios and is infact not even noticed by most, and are just more hanger queens/(30mm) cannon fodder in the MA.
you ever try flying a P40B vs A6M2s (and during the last scenario the A6M5B also)? Neither A6M nor the A6M3 could ever fill the gap that the KI43 flew. Hell the D3A1 could fly as a KI43 better than the A6M2. During Road to Rangoon, the A6Ms had every dogfighting advantage over the P40s. We were lucky to have the brewsters to deal with them because without the B239 during RTR the allies would have lost every single frame vs the A6Ms
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I'm not saying its nessicarily a GOOD substitute, just that it works better than most. God, people really don't like to think about meaning, do they :devil?
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I'm not saying its nessicarily a GOOD substitute, just that it works better than most. God, people really don't like to think about meaning, do they :devil?
His point is that it does not work better than some of the things you claimed. The Bf109E-4 works very much better as a substitute for the Bf109E-7 than any A6M works for any Ki-43, yet you claim the Bf109E-7 should have higher priority.
Now, an advantage to the Bf109E-7 that we haven't spoken of is that the artwork is mostly already in game in the form of the Bf109E-4 whereas the Ki-43 would need entirely new artwork. That means that adding one or the other isn't exactly an even choice in terms of work for HTC.
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I put the 109E7 higher on the priority list because it would see more use. I dobut having the Ki-43 would have gotten enough players in Coral Sea to keep it from being cancled, as it was announced after the 'new' wore off.
I agree that the Ki-43 is more needed FOR ITS EVENTS, than the 109 E-7 is needed for its events. But since the 109 E-7 would likely be used in more scenarios and setups, it is a better candidate for addition based on what would be more usefull.
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I can't see how the Bf109E-7 would have more scenarios than the Ki-43. The Ki-43 was the main IJA fighter from 1942 through most of 1944 and any scenario set in any location the IJA was fighting would use it. Remember, we're not just talking about the Ki-43-I, we're also talking about the Ki-43-II and -III. China, Burma, India, Guadalcanal, New Guinea, the Philippines, Okinawa, Japan are all places that the Ki-43 would be used.
fyi,Midway is not one of those places as that was exclusively the IJN.
The Bf109E-7 was significant in Barbarossa and where else? For the Battle of Britain, where I understand it showed up at the end, we'd pretty much need the Spitfire Mk II as well for balance purposes otherwise you'd be creating a false imbalance.
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Barbarossa, a fair number of Mediterranean setups, late battle of britan as you said. But the reason it would see more scenarios is because PTO scenarios are just less popular, and aren't run as often.
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He 111
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He 111
this
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I can't see how the Bf109E-7 would have more scenarios than the Ki-43. The Ki-43 was the main IJA fighter from 1942 through most of 1944 and any scenario set in any location the IJA was fighting would use it. Remember, we're not just talking about the Ki-43-I, we're also talking about the Ki-43-II and -III. China, Burma, India, Guadalcanal, New Guinea, the Philippines, Okinawa, Japan are all places that the Ki-43 would be used.
fyi,Midway is not one of those places as that was exclusively the IJN.
The Bf109E-7 was significant in Barbarossa and where else? For the Battle of Britain, where I understand it showed up at the end, we'd pretty much need the Spitfire Mk II as well for balance purposes otherwise you'd be creating a false imbalance.
I do agree with this, if we were going to add the 109E-7 it would be a total waste of practical sense. Same argument can go towards the CAC Boomerang and the Ki-27 Nate - what purpose did both serve during the war? None. We don't need hanger queens or planes for "nation pride" rather aircraft that will be used in scenarios and the main arenas.
In time sure we can add all these lovely aircraft, once the rest of the fillers for LW, MW and EW get filled up, I'd rather have a He-111 in game then CAC boomerang that will only be flown in the training arena next to RV-8s.
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He 111
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New from Eureka RC in 1:10 scale. NOTE Vanguard Plans.
(http://www.eureka-rc.no/catalog/images/111side.gif)
89 inch wingspan.
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He 111
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Needed above all other planes, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary:
He-111 H4
He-111 H11
190 F-1/U3
IAR-80B/C
SdKfz 251/22
G.55
M3 Stuart
Panzer III E, J, and L
Crusader
Matilda
StuG III
Cromwell
Churchill
Hetzer
109E-7
109G6 w/ 30mm
Only one 190?... Nice try. :aok
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That single 190 variant would let us create multiple variants by simply changing the arament. Mk 103 30mm straffers, a heavy attack variant with upto 2 500lb bombs under each wing and a 1000lb bomb under the fuselage, etc.
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(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/heinkel-he-111.jpg)
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(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Frederick2000/He111/He111.jpg)
+10
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For early and mid war this bird would be great to have. For FSO and Scenarios even better. Right now we have had to use the JU88 in early war FSO and its tough for the Hurri and Spit 1 to catch those unless they have altitude advantage. The HE11 would fill in nicely and heck I would even use it in the late war just for the fun of it.
BigKev
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Been asking for it for awhile now. We needed the G4M Betty and since we go that the He-111 is next in line imho. :aok
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I hope to see the He111 real soon. I think it and the Pe-2 and Tu-2 are the most obvious missing from the plane set. Perhaps the Wellington too.
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He 111
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He 111
New thread time :D?
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(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Frederick2000/He111/He111.jpg)
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Ah, the infamous merlin engined Heinkel :D
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For early and mid war this bird would be great to have. For FSO and Scenarios even better. Right now we have had to use the JU88 in early war FSO and its tough for the Hurri and Spit 1 to catch those unless they have altitude advantage. The HE11 would fill in nicely and heck I would even use it in the late war just for the fun of it.
BigKev
Tough to catch? Try escorting one in an Emil.
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Perhaps with the 410 we will recieve the He111 wth it :x
Dual Twins!!!!! :O