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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tank-Ace on October 22, 2011, 02:35:46 PM
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Soo.... the 110 has about the same wing area, maybe a little bit less, flaps are of about equal size, it weighs about the same...... But they don't seem to turn the same.
Why is the P-38 so superior to the 110? Is it a matter of horse power, stability, what?
Note: this isn't really about the 110 compared to the P-38, just about the P-38 in general. I'm curious as to what makes it such a dangerous fighter.
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moin
i think one importent point is that the 2 engines of the 110 are running to the same side and at the p38 one turns left and one turns right, thats importent for its manöverability.
other impotant point are the bad aerodynamick of the 11o, the 410 is much better.
cu christian
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110 is a great turnfighter. Even the G, as long as it has speed.
In the sustained turn the 38 wins couse it has more powerful engines. In the instanteous the 110 feels better for me.
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Excess thrust are key words you want to search for to get right into one of the biggest factors for net dogfighting agility. E.G. in the following thread, in and around Stoney's posts.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,305801.0.html
And then on top of the above metrics you have the P-38's torquelessness like Chris says, and flap design.
Re: the 410's better aerodynamics - they can't be that much better when so much extra horsepower amounted to so little extra speed.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299977.0.html
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410 aerodynamics: for me, theese two planes look very simmiar, not counting the double tail on the 110 and the cut down nose on the 410. Idk about their aerofoils tho, but the upper wiew and the profile is quite simmilar too.
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Soo.... the 110 has about the same wing area, maybe a little bit less, flaps are of about equal size, it weighs about the same...... But they don't seem to turn the same.
Why is the P-38 so superior to the 110? Is it a matter of horse power, stability, what?
Note: this isn't really about the 110 compared to the P-38, just about the P-38 in general. I'm curious as to what makes it such a dangerous fighter.
I have never considered the 38 "dangerous" only in the hands of a great stick does it become worth a second thought, they are actually very easy to kill....but that's because I fly a fighter not a bomber :t
I know the 38 drivers like to think that plane is so awesome, (and in certain roles it is) it has really only one great thing going for it, its climb.....other then that its mediocre.....I would post some films up of how to kill one...but don't wanna embarrass the stick. :D
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noob to average P-38 sticks are quite easy to beat, I agree. But you don't know whos flying, so you gotta treat them carefully
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Debrody look into the thread I linked above. In it Tango teaches me pretty transparently about what you're guessing at.
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noob to average P-38 sticks are quite easy to beat, I agree. But you don't know whos flying, so you gotta treat them carefully
I can tell right away if someone is gonna put up a fight or not, I never treat anything "carefully" I am here to fight, so I go by initial situation on to how I will react, from there just work into position to get a kill without being put into there guns....
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what I mean is that you can't get sloppy, and go at them with less E before you know if they're noob, or ace, or you might end up regreting it very quickly.
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I have never considered the 38 "dangerous" only in the hands of a great stick does it become worth a second thought, they are actually very easy to kill....but that's because I fly a fighter not a bomber :t
I know the 38 drivers like to think that plane is so awesome, (and in certain roles it is) it has really only one great thing going for it, its climb.....other then that its mediocre.....I would post some films up of how to kill one...but don't wanna embarrass the stick. :D
hey, i fly the 38! :furious jerk. :mad:
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Debrody look into the thread I linked above. In it Tango teaches me pretty transparently about what you're guessing at.
rgr ty
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what I mean is that you can't get sloppy, and go at them with less E before you know if they're noob, or ace, or you might end up regreting it very quickly.
of course you can...I attack them regardless of their E state.....Ill try to make a video of just 38 kills.
hey, i fly the 38! :furious jerk. :mad:
:rofl
and I don't hold that against ya :D
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38's are sorta a rare breed in AH to me. I usually see them as very easy kill, and the twinboom or akak takes one up, and it doesnt matter what I fly I die. Kinda like greebo wasting me in an am63. It's all about how you use it. and these (and many more) have apparently unlocked the mystery of flying them successfully.
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The P38 to me is all about judging your E and your enemy's. Against most planes, you only need equal E or a slight advantage to make mincemeat out of them. If you know your E and your enemy's, then you already won half the battle.
Things to spot for are:
Planes that just finished a loop
Planes that just did a break turn
Planes on top of a yo-yo
Planes in scissors
Planes that has full flaps out
And of course many more, but those are the big hints that say "I have no E, come kill me".
I like to consider myself a slightly above average P38 pilot, perhaps not near TwinBoom's level, but better than most guys.
The P38 turns well because it's not as nose heavy as the 110G as well as other factors already mentioned. 4x 50Cals and 1x Hispano is a lot less heavy than 2x Mk108s and 2x MG151/20.
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Keep in mind that the Bf110 has split flaps and the P-38 has fowler flaps. Split flaps are not nearly as good at producing additional lift as fowlers are. The 38 can also deploy them at a higher speed and they had a combat setting.
The counter rotating props are negligible as a factor. Those are mostly a pilot workload reducer.
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whats thd difference between split flaps and fowler flaps?
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Split flaps drop from the undersurface of the wing. Fowler flaps extend back and down from the wing. Basically, split flaps increase the camber of the wing without increasing the area of the wing while fowler flaps increase both the camber and the area of the wing.
Launch AH and observe the flap movements on the P-38s, Ki-84 and N1K2-J and compare those to the Bf110.
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ah, I get ya.
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The 110 has plain flaps.
(http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/93863/Vt56048.jpg)
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110 is a great turnfighter. Even the G, as long as it has speed.
In the sustained turn the 38 wins couse it has more powerful engines. In the instanteous the 110 feels better for me.
Um, I have to disagree with this.. I've outturned spit16s in sustained turns.
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38 doesn't turn well at all. High wing-loading. However it shines in the vertical and should have no problem against a co-alt, co-E 110. The higher the altitude the greater the 38's advantage. Low and slow the 38 will lose.
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In flying the 110, I always found it to be better in a flat turning fight than the P-38. When I come across them, I try to keep the fight verticle.
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Not saying the 110 isn't a great fighter, I've 2v1'd a spit and an F4U with it, and outfought Dolby's C.205 as he will likely recall. Just seems like its not quite so easy to hold a turn with, like it keeps wanting to flip over on you.
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Not saying the 110 isn't a great fighter, I've 2v1'd a spit and an F4U with it, and outfought Dolby's C.205 as he will likely recall. Just seems like its not quite so easy to hold a turn with, like it keeps wanting to flip over on you.
Dolby isnt that good :P
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Can't show any film or argue anything specific, but from what I recall (first hand experience flogging it, pretending we were gonna get the 410 soon and it was good practice) the 110 gets straight up whooped by pretty much any of the 38s. Just too little excess thrust to play with.
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Not only a lack of excess thrust, but I suspect the 110 has a large ammount of parasitic drag, though I couldn't point out exactly where its coming from.
Acceleration in a dive is good, but then again, gravity has the same effect on every aircraft.
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Not only a lack of excess thrust, but I suspect the 110 has a large ammount of parasitic drag, though I couldn't point out exactly where its coming from.
i don't know, i've been trying out the 110g2 with the 2x20mm and 2x30mm gun package and though it's a bit sluggish in some maneuvers it's not bad in a fight. you do have to watch your e state carefully, tends to drop off faster than a 190f8, but it does recover faster. against p-38s, get them into turn fights.
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The 110 has plain flaps.
(http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/93863/Vt56048.jpg)
I don't fly the Bf110. I thought it had split flaps. Nonetheless, my point stands as plain flaps have much the same effect as split flaps.
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For the most part a P-38 is nothing but a big, shiny target. A kill waiting to happen. Unless it is flown by the 80th or a few pilots. Until then, they seem to be a tough bird to be really dangerous in.
Boo
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I am curious now as I have not flown the 110 for a while. Going to fly a few sorties with it.
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For the most part a P-38 is nothing but a big, shiny target. A kill waiting to happen. Unless it is flown by the 80th or a few pilots. Until then, they seem to be a tough bird to be really dangerous in.
Boo
:rofl
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Twinboom, you get to laugh. The other 99 P-38 pilots aren't so skilled.
I will say that for me the first turn with a -38 is always a bit tender. Pretty much one turn will tell you if you have Twinboom, 80th, 8Spade, etc by the tail or some noob who likes to talk trash on 200. Again, most pilots are unable to make that plane dance.
Boo
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Perhaps I just have bad luck with encountering P-38's. It always seems to be Stokes, Silat, or AKAK. I do admit most P-38 pilots are quite easy to kill as, like the 109 or 190, it takes a skilled pilot to make the plane shine.
But, like mthrockmor says, the first turn is a bit.... sketcy. If I get a noob, I'll usually kick his arse in about 15 seconds. If I get AKAK, I nose my 190 over, WEP it to the deck, and then always get killed as his P-38 teleports to D600 behind me :bhead.
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I had a P-38 dive from some alt on my Mossie the other day, thought "This is going to be tough." and then it got within 1000 yard, the tag switched to "P-38G" and I thought "Oh, never mind, I got this." and killed it in about 15 seconds.
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Karnak, I thought your second sentence will be: "and then he buzzed by me at 500 mph and hit the ground so hard that it physically damaged a few bytes of RAM in the HTC server."
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Did a few 110 sorties. I still find it to be better in the flat turn (Than the P-38), but had forgotten just how slow it is.
110G-2 that is. The C-4b is a nimble plane and I would never get caught in a turnfight with it.
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The problem with flying the 110C or G is that naturally you can turn tightly because you are so slow, but it's surviving to the point of getting to use that. That's the tricky part. Like when you fly a Hurr1 in the LWA. You have to survive to get into position to needle the bugger to death for a kill. If anybody goes high on you and drops down after you stall out (rather quickly) you are toast. If you have a fight and there is any other enemy presence nearby you have to stay on target leaving yourself wide open for the other guy (and... consequently, if you break off to avoid him the other guy you were trailing reverses and you're up a creek twice as much as before).
I think the P-38s turn better than the 110s overall, higher speed flaps and better E for going into endless vertical loops. It's that vertical element that really sets the P-38s above other twins.
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Whether speed, climb, diving (P38 can hit >450mph and still come out of a dive if you know what you're doing), rolling (late models roll faster than almost any other aircraft at high speeds), or hanging on it's props... the 38 has enough things where it's above average in, that there's a good chance it'll have something YOUR plane isn't good enough in, and a good pilot can pick that out and beat you with it.
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This gets into another subject but speed counts. When in a bad spot survival demands the ability to point your nose down, pick up speed and change the nature of the fight. Most great turners lack that ability and thus almost every fight turns into a certain death match. The question is how many kills you score before you are in turn killed. So the 110 lacks the ability to disengage, among a couple other weaknesses?
Boo
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I would say that's mostly true... in a 1v1 you can probably disengage to a certain extent... Diving away... You can be chased and caught in a prolonged chase, BUT, in the short-term you can gain enough distance to reverse or get yourself out of a bad spot.
Add others (i.e. a furball of average size) and your odds of disengaging dwindle rapidly.
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One day I was flying a P38. I saw another P38 and flew over and shot it down. It was an easy kill. :noid
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One day I was flying a P38. I saw another P38 and flew over and shot it down. It was an easy kill. :noid
Now its just getting complicated.
Boo
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Dolby isnt that good :P
Quoted for truth
Even if it's soo cruel :cry
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Um, I have to disagree with this.. I've outturned spit16s in sustained turns.
I've seen it! From the wrong side of course.... :rofl Was great with you and me duking it out against all them red guys yesterday Krup! :aok
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Krusty, I'd have to disagree with you. The 110 picks up speed quickly in a dive, its just rather limited by its top end speed before compression and part shedding becomes an issue.
IMO, the most effective way to 'disengage' in a 110 1v1 is to dive untill you're JUST below your max dive speed, and then level off. Relative E-states remain the same, but you will likely have picked up some distance, probably enough to flip around and play the "if I'm going to heaven, I'm sending you to hell" HO defense.
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For the most part a P-38 is nothing but a big, shiny target. A kill waiting to happen. Unless it is flown by the 80th or a few pilots. Until then, they seem to be a tough bird to be really dangerous in.
Boo
ohh really? :D
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You gents seem to be forgetting that the 110 is a two place airplane. That extra weight can't help. As for the 38 not being able to turn, I would disagree, but then again I'm a 38G driver and we don't have a clue :)
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This thread makes me want to try out the P-38 in the MA :banana:
By the way, the Westland Whirlwind prototype had counter rotating props, a feature which was deleted from the production aircraft, even though the direction of rotation of the Rolls Royce Peregrine engine's prop gear could be easily changed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313538.0.html <- plug plug).
I find the P-38's guns difficult to use. Any pointers?
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I find the P-38's guns difficult to use. Any pointers?
Point and shoot. Really doesn't get more difficult than that. The nose mounted guns allow for more precise aiming. The .50 cals and 20mm gun have excellent trajectory falloff, meaning you can shoot from a very long range and still deal damage. When lining up for a shot, be gentle on the rudders and elevators, as that will throw the nose around quite a bit when aiming. I generally use a little more airleron/elevator input then rudders. The only time I really use rudders when lining up for a shot is right at the last moment before pulling the trigger.
Hope this helps. Best of luck.
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Krusty, I'd have to disagree with you. The 110 picks up speed quickly in a dive, its just rather limited by its top end speed before compression and part shedding becomes an issue.
IMO, the most effective way to 'disengage' in a 110 1v1 is to dive untill you're JUST below your max dive speed, and then level off. Relative E-states remain the same, but you will likely have picked up some distance, probably enough to flip around and play the "if I'm going to heaven, I'm sending you to hell" HO defense.
That's not disagreeing with me. That's repeating what I've said.
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Point and shoot. Really doesn't get more difficult than that. The nose mounted guns allow for more precise aiming. The .50 cals and 20mm gun have excellent trajectory falloff, meaning you can shoot from a very long range and still deal damage. When lining up for a shot, be gentle on the rudders and elevators, as that will throw the nose around quite a bit when aiming. I generally use a little more airleron/elevator input then rudders. The only time I really use rudders when lining up for a shot is right at the last moment before pulling the trigger.
Hope this helps. Best of luck.
Thank you Plazus. I'll give it a try :salute
I think I tend to give 50 cals and Hispanos far too much lead because I'm used to the Ho-5 cannon.
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Use the minimum bank angle you can get away with in a 110 before the merge to make sure you aren't starting a fight with a "e disadvantage" and most p38s can be had pretty quickly..........but they will have you if you don't get them very early on.
The 110 will take a p38 if you are already in a tight turning fight and have plenty of altitude to burn but the p38 can turn the tables if he can get out of your gun range and climb or dive.
Fuel load is important and I only engage fighters in the 110 while at super high altitude or when letting down near the end of a mission with low fuel load.
I always up with 100% fuel and drop tanks but will lower that to 50% and drop tanks if I think fighters will be what I meet.
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In a Bf 110 vs. P-38 fight, the Lightning holds all the cards. It can disengage and engage the fight at will and there isn't much the Bf 110 driver can do about it other than try and escape.
ack-ack
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In a Bf 110 vs. P-38 fight, the Lightning holds all the cards. It can disengage and engage the fight at will and there isn't much the Bf 110 driver can do about it other than try and escape.
ack-ack
Ehh the 110 can HO :D
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Point and shoot. Really doesn't get more difficult than that. The nose mounted guns allow for more precise aiming. The .50 cals and 20mm gun have excellent trajectory falloff, meaning you can shoot from a very long range and still deal damage. When lining up for a shot, be gentle on the rudders and elevators, as that will throw the nose around quite a bit when aiming. I generally use a little more airleron/elevator input then rudders. The only time I really use rudders when lining up for a shot is right at the last moment before pulling the trigger.
Hope this helps. Best of luck.
I fly the 38 most often an, as such, I have my rudders scaled so that it is an increasing slope starting at 50%. This way I have finer control off center and it gets exponentially more as I add rudder in.
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Ehh the 110 can HO :D
Only a bit of advantage from up close.. Just no contest between these two.
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That's not disagreeing with me. That's repeating what I've said.
Not really. You said he could dive away, which implys his stuructural limit is greater than that of most opponents, which is simply not true. He can dive away...... for a short distance, before he has to pull out, or shed parts (IIRC, the elevators are the first to go), during which time, his opponent has likely kept with him, or near enough.
The method for a retaliation, yes I agree. But a 110 driver can't usually ESCAPE, even in the short term. About all he can do is gain just enough room to flip around and try for a 1 'fer 1.
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No, it has nothing to do with terminal speed or structure durability. It simply means he can't outclimb out turn or outmanuver the opponent, the only traditional tactic left is to dive away. Which he can do and pick up some speed (opening a gap). Given time the enemy will close that gap in the long-term. It will allow an immediate escape but if the enemy is persistent he won't get away.
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Never had a problem with 38's while flying the 110G in the MA. Dueling is a whole different ballpark however. Those huge guns and good rudder authority make up for a lot of deficiencies in a multi-plane environment.
When flying the 110 you have to learn how to dodge a lot. If the 38 has alt on you, never engage (unless you have no choice). Shallow dive towards friendlies instead. He'll disengage if he is smart. If not, you'll drag him down so the friendlies can have at him. Co-alt you have a short window of opportunity to kill him before he can build up a decisive energy advantage on you. Sure he can climb faster, but not faster than cannon shells. If you have alt on the 38 you can spend that energy on getting a good firing position and kill him. Spend it well because you won't get many chances before he can extend and start building E on you. If he does you're back to dodging and dragging towards friendlies again.
However, in most cases Boelcke's old Dicta rule no. 1 still matters most: "Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you."
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However, in most cases Boelcke's old Dicta rule no. 1 still matters most: "Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you."
I could understand if your life really depended on it, but in a game.... using that as an excuse for lame game play is...well....lame.
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Your mileage may vary, but I find the game far more entertaining when the enemy is in my sights and not the other way around. Besides, flying a 110 in a combat environment filled with late-war spits, La's, 109's and other monsters I need every advantage I can get. If you don't agree then feel free to rant on ch 200 ;)
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Your mileage may vary, but I find the game far more entertaining when the enemy is in my sights and not the other way around. Besides, flying a 110 in a combat environment filled with late-war spits, La's, 109's and other monsters I need every advantage I can get. If you don't agree then feel free to rant on ch 200 ;)
ever see me rant on 200? yes I will call someone out for lame play but that is extremely rare, if you see me on 200 it is more often telling someone good shot...even if he was in a gang.
besides that I do agree with you on some levels.....the ganging vulches and HOing gets old, but what is just as bad as when someone wont engage because they do not have "advantage"
I flew to a base saw 5 nme con on 1 friendly of course they killed him, I was right above them,had about a 3 K advantage....can you guess what they did? all were 47's 51's and I think 1 KI84?
they....as one pointed their noses to the ground and ran towards their base....if that is not lame/pathetic game play then I don't know what is.
I engage no matter what, its a friggen game why are you here(not you but anyone) if not to have combat?
5 guys run to their field because they are not above me? :rolleyes:
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I can't remember seeing you on 200, or any other channel for that matter. Not that it matters. If you look at my post again you'll see that I advised against engaging a 38 (a superior E-fighter) if at an alt disadvantage. That's markedly different from running when you have a five to one numerical advantage, albeit with a slight alt disadvantage.
I play this game to have fun. Sometime that means furballing in dweeb rides. Other times it means two hour sorties with 20-minute climbs and hunting for prey. Depends on my mood.
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No, it has nothing to do with terminal speed or structure durability. It simply means he can't outclimb out turn or outmanuver the opponent, the only traditional tactic left is to dive away. Which he can do and pick up some speed (opening a gap). Given time the enemy will close that gap in the long-term. It will allow an immediate escape but if the enemy is persistent he won't get away.
Define long term. 2mins? 5 mins? 10? Not a chance in church a 110 can most of the planes it will enccounter for 10 mins, even if it somehow dove from 6k to 0k. 2 mins is probably the maxiumum against most opponents (exceptions been extremly poor diving planes, and planes close to it in speed).
The most common LW rides it will face, such as 190's, P51's, Typhoons, F4U's, etc, will be able to keep with a 110 in a dive or even catch it in one, and will have a considerable speed advantage on the level. I would give the 110 pilot about 45 seconds before he starts either taking chance pings, or less for some planes.
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5 guys run to their field because they are not above me? :rolleyes:
That's a shame too because five guys is plenty to overcome a BnZ from a single opponent. If I work really hard and fast I might keep two guys E below me if I start with an altitude advantage. Five? There is no way some of them aren't going to get the space to build more E than I have, particularly given that I am having to spend E to keep their buddies defensive.
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That's a shame too because five guys is plenty to overcome a BnZ from a single opponent. If I work really hard and fast I might keep two guys E below me if I start with an altitude advantage. Five? There is no way some of them aren't going to get the space to build more E than I have, particularly given that I am having to spend E to keep their buddies defensive.
I like that kinda fight, I guess I have become an ALT Monkey :D
I come in at about 15-20 k depending on the nme...I love looking down and seeing nothing but red guys...20 - 30 cons...and then rolling into the one guy that don't see ya :t
a lot of more often now, I try to fly smarter and attack the one that attacks me but keep suppressing the others.
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I like that kinda fight, I guess I have become an ALT Monkey :D
I come in at about 15-20 k depending on the nme...I love looking down and seeing nothing but red guys...20 - 30 cons...and then rolling into the one guy that don't see ya :t
a lot of more often now, I try to fly smarter and attack the one that attacks me but keep suppressing the others.
Exactly. However, it is also a challenge of team work on the part of the other guys to overcome you, and those five who had the numbers to do so didn't even try. It is potentially a good fight for both sides, if both side show up to fight.
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Its a matter of power available versus power required (aka specific excess power). Power required takes into account higher drag of one aircraft in the comparison, because all the drag components affect the amount of power required to perform whatever maneuver you want. So, if both aircraft have equal power required numbers, but one has greater power available, then there's a maneuvering advantage. Similarly, two aircraft could have equal power available, but different power required numbers, and there would be a maneuvering advantage. Sometimes the difference needs to be large to have a conspicuous effect, sometimes a small difference can be decisive--just depends on the aircraft involved. Some simplifications here, but hopefully you get the point.
Now, higher wing area at the same weight can reduce power required, but a larger wing can create more drag, which could increase the power required. The biggest reasons Spits, La-7s, etc. have such great performance is because regardless (to an extent) of how hard you maneuver them, they either keep a decent reserve of excess power, or can quickly create it. To a lesser extent, you can include aircraft like the 109K4 and F4U4.
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Exactly. However, it is also a challenge of team work on the part of the other guys to overcome you, and those five who had the numbers to do so didn't even try. It is potentially a good fight for both sides, if both side show up to fight.
that's exactly what I am saying :salute
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Ink, what plane do you normally fly? A 110 would need massive E over its opponents to hold multiple cons at bay. It's fairly easy in 109's and 38's (at higher alts)...
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I like that kinda fight, I guess I have become an ALT Monkey :D
I come in at about 15-20 k depending on the nme...
That's a common way of following Dicta Boelcke's rule no 1.
...and then rolling into the one guy that don't see ya :t
That's a classic advantage to exploit.
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Wasn't there a worry about P-38 pilots bailing out of the cock-pit?
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"The truth is, that is it no easier or harder to bail out of the thirty eight, than it is to bail out of any single engine fighter":-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HbmQLcDUI
"Actually however the object isn't to bail out of your ship, but to make the other fellow bail out of his" :rofl
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This is where you don't want to be in a 110.
I did get the P38 I chased two sectors to this mess and it would have been a few more as I raked many important parts off of planes in this crowd before a combination of field ack and a tempest removed my wing.
Sadly, I was nose down and at low altitude so my plane encountered terra before the planes I damaged.
That green icon is a tank.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6085/6098636085_ceef4821d3_b.jpg)
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Did you go to 'The Charles Bronson School of Air Combat™' icepac?
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Would be a fitting analogy. Old, slow and with a huge gun!
(http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/45778/death-wish-3_M_jpg_627x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg)
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No not that Charles Bronson. The other one.
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No not that Charles Bronson. The other one.
This one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Bronson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Bronson)
He signs the CCL in Florida. :lol
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No, this one:-
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/06/article-1160082-03C5A60B000005DC-454_468x510.jpg)
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Perhaps you would find this film edifying and entertaining:-
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Bronson_poster.jpg)
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That's a common way of following Dicta Boelcke's rule no 1.
That's a classic advantage to exploit.
yes But I engage even when I don't have all the cards....I have only taken on this type of sortie in the last couple months really, I have always fought the hoard, but I am sick of giving away easy kills so now I make them work for it.
but no matter what situation I find myself in I ALWAYS engage the nme.(unless of course I am bingo then I will try to get away)
now I fly the KI84 mostly.
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You won't get an argument from me about the horde. I hate them with zeal! The Ki 84 is a fun bird for sure.
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You won't get an argument from me about the horde. I hate them with zeal! The Ki 84 is a fun bird for sure.
Love the ki84, but its cocpit annoys me. Looks so small and cramped. and that little window to aim through sucks. for me atleast.
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Even compared to the 109?
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Perhaps you would find this film edifying and entertaining:-
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Bronson_poster.jpg)
this is a movie I will be watching :aok
I know a guy that sounds very similar.
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yes But I engage even when I don't have all the cards....I have only taken on this type of sortie in the last couple months really, I have always fought the hoard, but I am sick of giving away easy kills so now I make them work for it.
but no matter what situation I find myself in I ALWAYS engage the nme.(unless of course I am bingo then I will try to get away)
now I fly the KI84 mostly.
The longer I fly, the less I pay attention to who has the advantage and just get to the fighting.
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The longer I fly, the less I pay attention to who has the advantage and just get to the fighting.
I will bet you will find your self having a heck of a lot of fun also :aok
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I will bet you will find your self having a heck of a lot of fun also :aok
Amen to that. 38G into the horde. Quicker distribution of 38 parts but fun :)
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Amen to that. 38G into the horde. Quicker distribution of 38 parts but fun :)
I have seen ya there :aok
personally I think your silly flying bombers into a bunch of red...ALAS it is your Bomber to do what thou will :D
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The P-38 is a good turnfighter if the pilot knows what he is doing. most of the time i encounter P-38s they are piloted by people experienced with the aircraft and i can get them easily with my F6F-5 :)
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The P-38 is a good turnfighter if the pilot knows what he is doing. most of the time i encounter P-38s they are piloted by people experienced with the aircraft and i can get them easily with my F6F-5 :)
:headscratch:
You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit. And you call yourself a Mainer....pfft...
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B4Buster, are your squadies aware that you are seeing that other girlfriend, that dang Mossie? :bolt:
Boo
:salute
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B4Buster, are your squadies aware that you are seeing that other girlfriend, that dang Mossie? :bolt:
Boo
:salute
:eek:
SHHHH! If they catch wind I will be forced to turn in my blender!!