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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: lyric1 on November 01, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
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Lisunov Li-2.
First off I am under no delusions that this would be nothing other than a pig in AHII so lets get that out of the way.
That aside after reading a little more about this plane it may be a down & dirty way to get something in the form of a Russian bomber in to the game.
I have seen the posts about wanting an armed C-47. Personally I would say so what its meat on the table any way you cut it if any fighter is about.
Icepack posted a picture of one carrying bombs :O in another thread. That was a first for me I did not know they did that so I dug a little deeper.
Here is some photos & stats & see what you would all think about adding this as a bomber version only & of course the option for formation's as well.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li210-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li211.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li25.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li21.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li23.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li24-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li22.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li28-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/russiangoons-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/russiangoons1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li26.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li27.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li29.jpg)
http://www.oldwings.nl/st/li2.pdf
http://www.douglasdc3.com/li2/li2.htm
http://www.vectorsite.net/avc47_2.html#m2
http://www.dc3history.org/russianli2.html
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/li-2/li-2camo/li2-camo.htm
That is all I have for now. I think it is a plane that could be added using our current C-47 as it's template. With some additional programming it would be a quicker way to get some sort of formation Russian bombers in than starting from scratch on some other plane.
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+1
but isnt that just a C-47 with a few 7.62mm guns and some bombs added? :lol
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formation dakotas with 4x250kg at 183mph ... why not! :lol
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Wow! You will always learn something new on the wishlist.
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The goon may finally get some teeth. :aok :D
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Uhhh....goon only mission? :huh
Bomb the town then capture it with 2 players. :noid
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Uhhh....goon only mission? :huh
Bomb the town then capture it with 2 players. :noid
That is a possability with the load out options.
The war was over before the Russians could get the cannon version Li-2 in to the war.
They were not defensive guns either. :aok
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thats a real shame, I'd pay good perks to fly a cannon armed dakota :D
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:O :O :O
+1
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+1
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+10000000000000000000000000.9999 I REAAALY want it.
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yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes :rock :aok
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That would be pretty cool! +1
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:aok
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KEEP THIS BEAST ALIVE
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Would we get the version with a Bombay, without a Bombay, Or both?
To bad its not an EW ride, Might stand a bit of a Chance in there.
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I'd fly it. :aok And likely die in it... :bhead +1
It would end up being a separate model, though it probably wouldn't be too hard to do. Upping a formation of these would be interesting, to say the least. :D
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Well I'll Be......Puff the Magic Dragon had a DADDY........
Boris the Grumpy Tyrannosaurus...............
Could you imagin one of those against a newbie in his first King Tiger and the whine here in the Forums after he looses all of his tank perks?
Noob: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a Goon can't drop bombs..only troops and supplys.
(????): Be quiet you noob. You got sh@t upon by a Russian Grumpy.......Grumpy's drop bombs you fool.
Noob: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a....your a meany..................
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+1. And your use of the word Pig is offensive Lyric. :D
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Would we get the version with a Bombay, without a Bombay, Or both?
To bad its not an EW ride, Might stand a bit of a Chance in there.
That would depend on what they mean by experimental. The 1941 version had both it all depends on how it was used? Kind of hard to believe though that this would be a late war bomber though. :uhoh Still looking for more info.
Edit: After reading my links that I posted in depth looks like 1942 on wards was external bombs & not until early 1945 that internal bombs were used as well.
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+1. And your use of the word Pig is offensive Lyric. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/c47pig.jpg)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/c47pig.jpg)
Cool! :aok
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:aok Very cool!
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+1
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+1 on the Boris The Grumpy Tyrannosaurus.
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It's cute-n-all but after the first 72 hours in the game only a 2-weeker is going to fly it. It will be a hangar queen al la deluxe on steroids. The only reason I oppose it (since its no skin off my back if you want to die gloriously) is that HT would spend time on this as opposed to more useful contributions such as the Yak-3, D.520, some Japanese birds or the P-61.
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Boo
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It's cute-n-all but after the first 72 hours in the game only a 2-weeker is going to fly it. It will be a hangar queen al la deluxe on steroids. The only reason I oppose it (since its no skin off my back if you want to die gloriously) is that HT would spend time on this as opposed to more useful contributions such as the Yak-3, D.520, some Japanese birds or the P-61.
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Boo
Same could be said of the Beau. :neener:
:bolt:
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+1 For the butt-load of information given for once
+1 Cause its a very angry goon (I'd fly it cause the eny would be EPIC)
+1 Just to annoy the people giving -1's for a goon they fear :P
+10 Cause you can bomb**** with it and drop supplies at the same time - perfect ground support
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The goon may finally get some teeth. :aok :D
+1
EDIT: i meant to edit my original post and click the quote button..... my bad :cry
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It's cute-n-all but after the first 72 hours in the game only a 2-weeker is going to fly it. It will be a hangar queen al la deluxe on steroids. The only reason I oppose it (since its no skin off my back if you want to die gloriously) is that HT would spend time on this as opposed to more useful contributions such as the Yak-3, D.520, some Japanese birds or the P-61.
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Boo
The only reason I chose to put it in at all is the fact most of every thing they need is already there with the C-47.
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Lyric, I don't fault you at all. If it comes along great. It would be funny to watch some hot shots get killed by a rambo-goon. Like when I shot down a Fw-190A8 while I was in a TBM. Out turned him, took for ever to kill him with only two .50s but...
Boo
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Lyric, I don't fault you at all. If it comes along great. It would be funny to watch some hot shots get killed by a rambo-goon. Like when I shot down a Fw-190A8 while I was in a TBM. Out turned him, took for ever to kill him with only two .50s but...
Boo
Personally I don't hold much hope for it being added,& I would not care either way. Just thought I would throw it out there like my single seat IL-2 thread. :aok
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321945.0.html
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Some line drawings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4248600769_b6023e90cc_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4248724327_b56d1694bd_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249376536_4b742859db_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249376954_d1e84790a1_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249377244_cecdceff93_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249377656_8215f81a73_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249377920_ab6e387b07_o.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4249378268_5db3ed3028_o.gif)
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Old dog of a plane or not, I'd fly it just for the challenge. :cool:
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+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 :pray
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Seriously add this plane!
troop-supply + bombrack?
or
bombay + bombrack
Give the lunatic thing a eny of 10 - but still ADD THIS
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+1 but
Either/Or Bombs or drunks, not both.
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Bombs = Formations
Troops/Supplies = No Formations
No to having a mix of bombs and troops/supplies.
Russians get a Bomber/Transport plane hybrid, with a gun to boot! :aok
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I can picture it now..... The town is down, been a long fight, but no one is willing to get the goon for the capture. Suddenly a two-week squeaker comes along in this aircraft and all are excited for the capture, when the aircraft diverts to try and gun down the il-2 thats been ruining the m3's. :lol Insta-fail
But i do love the idea of this plane
+1 :aok
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+1
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Would we get the version with a Bombay, without a Bombay, Or both?
To bad its not an EW ride, Might stand a bit of a Chance in there.
I think this proto type picture probably would best show how the early version would have looked with no internal bombs.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/yak1b3.jpg)
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+1
Nice find Lyric.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/watermark2.jpg)
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+1 again
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This looks really cool! +1
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+100
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+1 :x
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+1
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+1 :aok
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+1
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Closer look at the top turret.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/13-1.jpg)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/13_86.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li-2_fuzel.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li-2_wing.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li-2_shassi.gif)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li-2_hvost_koles.gif)
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I would laugh my arse off if this ended up being released with the 410. :lol Getting quite a few details about the aircraft after all. :x
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http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/li-2/li-2camo/li2-camo.htm
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:rofl I love it
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+1 So I can finally form the GOON squad...
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1264624143/Interior+colours+of+Lisunov+Li-2-
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Screw the Yak 3, I want this! :x :banana: :joystick: :airplane:
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Armed goonbomber formation escorting a transport goon in close formation for defensive firepower and pulling ahead to do some last minute area denial bombing......very nice. In addition, the soviet lineup needs bomber representation in this game. I also like the presentation of all the drawings and technical support in this thread. +1 for the aircraft and a salute to the people who contributed technical information in this thread. :salute
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oh ya, this looks promesing, especially since it would just be modifying the c-47 pretty much, this sounds like a great idea +10
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Bunch of photos here on these links.
http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Arts/Art3838.htm
http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Arts/Art3840.htm
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You know what just yes!!!!! This thing wouldn't be the best bomb by far but it would be easy to add and is freaking cool as hell! Only problem is that they just did the refurb on the C-47 so idk if they will want to go back to it already
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Its a C-47 copy(or as we would say in Worcester, Capy) With guns and bombs. Nothin' else
+1 we need a C-47 with defensive armament and bombs. Just take the C-47, copy it, make a base skin, add guns and bomb loadout and and add a bombsight?.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ee14433.jpg)
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Found a few videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrQqh4LVaS4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8iIWRamnVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTz0JfsBzZk&feature=relmfu
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+1 to the gunnery goon. lmao
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Poor GV'er who thinks some noob in a goon is going to resupply him only to watch a bomb kill his tank. LOL
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Poor GV'er who thinks some noob in a goon is going to resupply him only to watch a bomb kill his tank. LOL
lets do it :devil
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Poor GV'er who thinks some noob in a goon is going to resupply him only to watch a bomb kill his tank. LOL
+1 because that would be DAMN funny!
"What got your Panther???"
"A GOON!"
"..."
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+1
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Only bomber I fly is the JU87
I would fly this thing
+1 great idea :aok
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That would last about 30 sec ya'll know how easy of an target those things are being slow.
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I don't know... enclosed cockpit, optional auxiliary power/heat generators, doors and windows... seems definetley more like the Russian luxury bomber/transport.
If you want the real Russian's bomber, one built to be tough but without any of the bells, whistles an compforting luxuries of the western world, then go for the TB-3 (ANT-6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_TB-3
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/TB-3_cockpit.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8enj6nXqTZE/TA5HnnkubdI/AAAAAAAAA0E/8BqGireWD8c/s1600/tupolev-ant-6-01.jpg)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-tb-3-bomber-02.png)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-bomber-02.png)
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I don't know... enclosed cockpit, optional auxiliary power/heat generators, doors and windows... seems definetley more like the Russian luxury bomber/transport.
If you want the real Russian's bomber, one built to be tough but without any of the bells, whistles an compforting luxuries of the western world, then go for the TB-3 (ANT-6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_TB-3
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/TB-3_cockpit.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8enj6nXqTZE/TA5HnnkubdI/AAAAAAAAA0E/8BqGireWD8c/s1600/tupolev-ant-6-01.jpg)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-tb-3-bomber-02.png)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-bomber-02.png)
You'd see me in it in the MA's. :D Even if it's in flames... :airplane: :joystick: :O :bhead :aok
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I would kill to have some Russian bombers. :bhead :bhead
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I don't know... enclosed cockpit, optional auxiliary power/heat generators, doors and windows... seems definetley more like the Russian luxury bomber/transport.
If you want the real Russian's bomber, one built to be tough but without any of the bells, whistles an compforting luxuries of the western world, then go for the TB-3 (ANT-6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_TB-3
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/TB-3_cockpit.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Paratroopers_jumping_from_Tupolev_TB-3.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8enj6nXqTZE/TA5HnnkubdI/AAAAAAAAA0E/8BqGireWD8c/s1600/tupolev-ant-6-01.jpg)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-tb-3-bomber-02.png)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/bomber/tupolev-tb-3-bomber/tupolev-ant-6-bomber-02.png)
+1 for TB-3
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Can't forget about the Tupolev SB (aka: Tupolev ANT-40) either. :D
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The TB-3 would be the most pointless dog turd in the MA ever.
130 MPH at 10k?!? A 246 ft/min ROC?!
But wait, those 7.62mm defensive guns with their 63 round drums would add some punch. And, 8 days later, assuming no one else is in the arena to put you out of your misery, you reach the target to drop less ords than a lot of fighters carry.
Pass.
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I would kill to have some Russian bombers. :bhead :bhead
But, more importantly, would you die (like, a lot)?
Can't forget about the Tupolev SB (aka: Tupolev ANT-40) either. :D
The TB-3 would be the most pointless dog turd in the MA ever.
130 MPH at 10k?!? A 246 ft/min ROC?!
But wait, those 7.62mm defensive guns with their 63 round drums would add some punch. And, 8 days later, assuming no one else is in the arena to put you out of your misery, you reach the target to drop less ords than a lot of fighters carry.
Pass.
Not gonna lie, I think it would be as fun (and valuable) to have in the LWMAs as the IJ Kates and Vals. It's only "valuable" purpose in AH is when we need a plane to stick those "I fly Russian only" dweebs that are really "I fly La7s (aka: the biggest crutch below 7k) only" dweebs in to really see their "skills".
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I would take both the TB-3 and the Tupolev SB up in the MA's for kicks. Much like I take the G4M1 up from time to time. I mean, it's there, so why the ell not? :D Scenario and FSO wise though, these 2 planes would have very limited use and it would be restricted to the first parts of Operation Barbarossa. The Winter War (Not the Continuation War) would see a bit more use, providing the planes are there. More of the earlier planes that is. Stuff like the J8A (I believe this is the Gloster Gladiator or Gauntlet), G.50 and what-not. While the TB-3 would still suffer, the Tupolev SB may stand some what of a chance.
They meet the criteria to be added, so I don't see why they wouldn't be added. More planes like these means we could run a more proper Winter War, if we run one at all that is. I think it would be neat to do a Spanish Civil War FSO/Scenario and a Winter War FSO/Scenario. :aok I will admit that the Russians and Italians are in DIRE need of bombers for the MW/LW arena's first though. :aok
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But, more importantly, would you die (like, a lot)?
Not gonna lie, I think it would be as fun (and valuable) to have in the LWMAs as the IJ Kates and Vals. It's only "valuable" purpose in AH is when we need a plane to stick those "I fly Russian only" dweebs that are really "I fly La7s (aka: the biggest crutch below 7k) only" dweebs in to really see their "skills".
yes, yes i would :airplane:
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Much like I take the G4M1 up from time to time.
The G4M1, and B5N2 and D3A1, are all superbly capable in comparison to the TB-3.
Compare the speeds and climb rates for example. The G4M is literally twice as fast with a climb rate something like five times as fast.
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The G4M1, and B5N2 and D3A1, are all superbly capable in comparison to the TB-3.
Compare the speeds and climb rates for example. The G4M is literally twice as fast with a climb rate something like five times as fast.
I don't need to make comparison's between the TB-3 and our current lineup. :) I know that it's so slow that you would actually go BACK in time while in one; climbs like a rock that's rolling down a hill; and is such an easy, fat target, that your chances of flying into the ground and MISSING are greater than to MISS a TB-3. :aok However, this would NOT stop me from flying one around in the MA's. :x
I know that there are other planes that we need sooner. Italy and Russia lack ANY bombers of their own. England lacks any proper EW - MW bombers (aside from the Boston). Japan and Germany could do with more bombers, period. The ONLY Country not hurting for bombers is the US, though they could do with some earlier versions of what we have now. :) I don't even want to go down the Fighter Route... :bhead
Now to get back on track, which variant of the Li-2 would we get exactly? Am I to assume (according to wiki) that it would be the Li-2VV?
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The G4M1, and B5N2 and D3A1, are all superbly capable in comparison to the TB-3.
Compare the speeds and climb rates for example. The G4M is literally twice as fast with a climb rate something like five times as fast.
Well, as the title says, I don't think you can get much poorer than the TB-3 and the lucky pilot tasked to fly one... but, there's probabley a reason why they adapted the C-47 (Li-2), and furthermore maybe why it prooved to be viable in that role for them.
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i would use it for fun runs lol
but id rather take B5n kates on a legit mission
so +.5 from me
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+1 for Goon Bomber :x
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lets enable goon formations. that would be awesome.....im on crack by the way
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+1 IF i get my Tante Ju52 :rock
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+1
but isnt that just a C-47 with a few 7.62mm guns and some bombs added? :lol
Shhhhhhh comrade that is a state secret!
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Aawwwwee yyyaaaaa do want
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Since another thread about this aircraft came to my attention.
I did a quick search to find some more pictures of the NKPB-7 bombsight.
Here are a few views that I posted on the first page of this thread back from WWII.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li28-1.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Li28-1.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Li22.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Li22.jpg.html)
The Russians actually are still using this bombsight now. Talk about getting your moneys worth. :aok
Here are a few picture of it that I found.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7-1_zpsfa8624ed.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7-1_zpsfa8624ed.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/Pic20-1_zpse4107382.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/Pic20-1_zpse4107382.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7_zps034f4593.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7_zps034f4593.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7_1_zps7d71a98a.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/NKPB-7_1_zps7d71a98a.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/attachmentc_zpsf1bd3e52.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/attachmentc_zpsf1bd3e52.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/attachmenta_zpsc2a1505b.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/attachmenta_zpsc2a1505b.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/attachment_zps766f85ff.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/attachment_zps766f85ff.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Douglas%20C-47/92502789_zpsfd39ac95.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Douglas%20C-47/92502789_zpsfd39ac95.jpg.html)
Have no idea how it works :headscratch: no eyepiece for it based off the pictures I have found.
Found a Russian link talking about Russian optics.
Interesting read once you translate it.
http://vivovoco.ibmh.msk.su/VV/PAPERS/HISTORY/WAROPT/WAROPT.HTM
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Would that mean it's effective then? Why get rid of something that works pretty damn good? :)
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Link to the pilots manual.
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/lisunov-li-2-a-21818.html