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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on November 06, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
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PICTURES TO FOLLOW......
ok, here's some driving impressions. they're pretty much short term, so far, as i've not had the time to put the mileage on my machine that golfer has on his as yet. i've had only a couple of highway runs on her, then mostly stop n go driving.
in general, ford has finally gotten the mustang right. this car is nearly perfect. the engine, delivers smooth power from right off idle on up. i've not yet taken her over 4500rpm though, as she's not broken in. i'm pretty sure she'll pull right on up to the 7000rpm redline though. at a mere half throttle, she's at 4500rpm in the blink of an eye.
this transmission is a six speed manual. i think i read it's german, rather than borg warner, as the previous five speeds were. the shifter so far is a little notchy, but i don't mind that at all. it's not a fight to go into any gear, and considering said notchiness, this thing shifts smooth as silk otherwise. the gear spacing is absolutley perfect. when driving in rush hour traffic, the spacing is perfect for those stunningly slow accelerations. when you're running down an on ramp onto the freeway, the gear spacing is perfect getting you up to speed.....and even keeping her below half throttle, you can VERY easily be going fast enough to lose your license well before having to merge into traffic, should you get caught. one thing i've been having a bit of trouble with, however, is getting a feel for the clutch. it's not hard, and doesn't require extreme effort, but i'm just having a bit of a time getting the "feel". it could be due to my dakota engaging nearly all the way up(this truck's been this way the entire time i've owned it), and my jeep, engaging just off the floor. once again, ford's gotten this perfect, in as much as this clutch engages at about the level of the brake pedal.
steering is like no other mustang i've ever driven('cept that 201 demo car that one dealer tried to sell me). when i picked her up, the steering was set to "normal", and to be honest, i had forgotten that it was adjustable. the steering on the new mustangs is electronically assisted, rather than hydraulically, as they were in the past. golfer had reminded me of this. he's tried the other settings, and advised me to set it to "sport" and leave it there, as that's the most fun setting. i switched it to "sport" the other night, and it is phenomenal. the feel that you get of the road is amazing. the handling of this car, is once again, like no mustang i've ever driven. he was right, and she'll be staying set on "sport".
when i ordered her, i was torn between opting in the brembo brake package, or putting some appearance options on her. namely, the hood scoop, lower air dam, and the rear wing, which would've given her more of a 60's look. i swear i was like a woman(no offense intended towards our female members here) making this decision. i truly couldn't make up my mind. while the appearance options would've cost a few bucks more, the sales manager suggested to go with the brake package. bear in mind here, that i could afford one or the other, but not both. i am grateful for him nudging me towards the brake package.
the brembo brakes give my four piston calipers in the front, with 14" vented brake rotors, standard brake calipers in the rear, but i believe a better pad material, along with vented rotors back there. while i kind of wanted to go with the 5 spoke wheels(again going for that 60's style) the brembo brake package takes us from 18" wheels, to 19" wheels, with pirelli p0's. for the cost of this upgrade, the price was well worth it.
as for the brakes capability? i've not needed to "panic" stop as yet, nor have i raced her yet, but i've come upon two different traffic lights, that i could have(and seriously should have) just continued through as they turned yellow. both times, i noted no one behind me, so i decided to see how she stops. the first time, i nearly launched my eyeballs out through those two little holes just below my forehead. i went a bit heavy on the pedal, as i would have in my dakota, or even in my old fox body mustang. that was a mistake(not necessarily a bad one), and not even remotely necessary. she stopped perfectly. on the second occurrence, i went easier, and she repeated that perfect stop.
here may be the place to note, that ford has also positioned the pedals perfectly. they're slightly farther apart than the old fox body mustangs, but they very easily allow heel/toe operation. it's slightly harder under light braking, as the brake pedal is a tad higher at that point than the throttle, but moderate braking brings them even, making it easy.
inside the car, is much bigger than in previous mustangs. when i used to race my fox body mustang, i had to hunch over a bit, due to my helmet hitting the roof. such would not be the case in this mustang. i'm 6'2, and had to raise the seat, and bring it considerably forward, to find my comfortable driving position.
inside, is also a whole new world for the mustang. she has an instrument cluster very similar in appearance to 60's mustangs. looks like a cross between 66, and 67 mustangs. the gauges are backlit, and the coloring can be changed at a couple pushes of a button. they are also perfectly positioned such that all six of them can easily be seen past/around/over the steering wheel.
the steering wheel is well laid out, with cruise controls on the left spoke, and the radio & sync controls on the right spoke. i ordered the gt premium, and this package comes with the shaker 500(fords name for the 500 watt stereo system), and if i remember correctly, either 8 or 10 speakers. she also comes with sirius radio built in, am/fm, and a single disc cd player. in the center console, is an audio input jack, to hook any music device to, and a usb port, which you can hook any usb device to. this will also play music off of a simple memory stick.
through the sync system, one can make calls, without ever touching their phone, get directions(even without having the $2300 option of the navigation screen), and a host of other things, that i'll be going to a seminar about.
the interior is leather(part of the premium package), and i opted the comfort group, which gave me heated seats, and added a power seat for the front passenger. i didn't care about making that seat power adjustable....i just wanted heated seats.
the hand controls for all of this has been kept simple. the radio is simple dials, both for volume, and tuning, as is the HVAC system. i didn't opt in the higher end HVAC, so i don't have dual zone in my car. even after only a week of ownership, i can easily switch between sat. radio, fm radio, and stations without taking my eyes off the road.
if i recall, both dichotomy, and golfer mentioned about the placement of the cup holder. they're right. whomever put a cup holder there should be shot with pepperspray. i don't really mind it though, as i don't bring drinks in my car with me, and on the rare occasion i do, there are 2 possibilities of a cup holder. either myself, or my passenger is i have one. thus, to me, the cup holder is a cool lit storage bin.
then on to the lighting. ford's installed ambient lighting in the mustangs. it's pretty cool to be honest, although i have to admit that when i'd seen it in pictures, i thought it was kind of silly.
overall, driving, she is a bit bigger than mustangs of the past, and there isn't much feeling of the speed you're doing. i truly find it hard to keep her below 70 on the freeway. i shall be getting well acquainted with the cruise control. i shall also be installing a VERY good radar detector. not because i intend to drive stupidly fast all the time, but because i don't want to be getting caught if i slip up and let her get up there again.
i had had a dozen different things i wanted to/was going to change on this car before next spring, from a ram air hood, to a different exhaust, to a grille with the '67 style fog light spacing. to be honest, none of that is going to happen i think. the more i look at her, the more i think that ford has perfected perfection.
the mustang is the only pony car to be in constant production for nearly 50 years, and this current incarnation shows exactly why that is. she was born and raised in America, and she's now showing her true colors with her styling(which many have taken cues from through the years), and performance.
you cannot touch this cars performance for this price range, bar none.
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now, a word about the dealership experience. i bought her at miller ford on rt38 in lumberton nj. from the very first contact, over the internet, right on up to signing the papers on monday night, virtually everyone at this dealership that i dealt with treated me as a friend, not as a customer.
when i first put out an inquiry through edmunds dot com, while other dealers responded with a "form" letter, miller sent me what appeared to be a personal letter(i know it was a form letter, just doctored up, but they put the effore forth). while other dealers nearby, came at me with something close, but way over priced, and in one case, not even close(they tried to sell me a red car, when i requested black), miller found exactly what i specified. when i called them, they didn't even try to push me to schedule an appointment to come up, but rather told me to stop in whenever i had the time. i went there that night, filled out the credit application, and waited.
they got back to me in only 1 day, telling me i was approved, and of the discounts i was eligible for. i told them to order it, and i'd be up that night to give them my downpayment. at that, they said to wait till they confirmed that the other dealer where they found it still had the car. they called me back, stating that when they finally got a response from them, they were informed that there was a deposit on the car, thus it was no long available. i kinda sulked over this for a bit, but stopped on up there again, to see what they could do for me.
now, bear in mind, that i started off looking for a 2011 leftover, hoping to get a significantly lower price than new, and that one didn't have the brembos.
what they did for me, was to get me into this brand new beauty, for less than a thousand bucks more than what the 2011 was gonna cost me......and she's better equipped.
earlier i mentioned about being torn over the options too. i was also torn over the color, as i absolutley love the kona blue. as i was standing there, and the sales manager was typing in the stuff to place the order for me, i think i changed my mind at least six times. the sales manager suggested flipping a coin. a sales guy that was dealing with another person, came over, and gave him a quarter. the flip landed on black.
the sales manager was Marc Kweeder, and the salesman was Chuck Robson. i cannot say enough good about these guys. they, as i mentioned before, treated me as a friend through the entire process, which included me asking about two dozen stupid questions, which were in no particular order. that is on top of the normal questions.
thanks to those guys, if i were ever to purchase another new, or even used car, i'm heading my butt right up there to miller again.
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and now a few pictures, although i'm not the greatest photographer....
i like this one, as in my mind, she's sitting there just waiting to blast out of her cage.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt.jpg)
i took this the other day at the shop.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt14.jpg)
the friggin rotor on this is bigger than the wheels on my prism.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt12.jpg)
this one shows the pedal placement....and this is a bigger footwell than in previous mustangs.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt9.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt8.jpg)
that front end just looks......menacing..
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt6.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt7.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt2.jpg)
these last three are for shuffler....
going.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt10.jpg)
goooiiinnnngggg.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt3.jpg)
gone you lose. :devil
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustanggt11.jpg)
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sorry cap, i had to wipe the drool off of my keyboard. AMAZING car you got there. oh, and the 6th pic looks like its staring you down, ready to eat you.
you lucky sonofamotherduck...2 more years until i can own one myself...
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you lucky sonofamotherduck...2 more years until i can own one myself...
Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
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Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
:rofl
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Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
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:rofl
do you know i only paid $600 for that minivan? it had 160k on the clock, and at 178k, the transmission went kablooie. i kinda want to put a junkyard tranny in it, as that engine's got more life in it...........aaannnndddd where the mustang's a cop magnet, that minivan seems to repel them. :devil
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Say thats one shnazzy ride ya got there, nice :aok
Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
If he crashes it his folks may just give him a newer model, Ive seen it happen with a kid with a a gto and one with a wrx...Im not sure how it works :uhoh
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thats so.....sexy :aok
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I see a smudge. :P
Nice car though, would never want to own one, but very nice either way!
do you know i only paid $600 for that minivan? it had 160k on the clock, and at 178k, the transmission went kablooie. i kinda want to put a junkyard tranny in it, as that engine's got more life in it...........aaannnndddd where the mustang's a cop magnet, that minivan seems to repel them. :devil
Only 178K? It's still a new van then, fix 'er up! :D
'01 Accord (bought new in ~'00) is hitting 270K in the next day or so. The Civic had ~230K (only 100 or so was from us though) before I ended up rolling it.
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Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
:rofl :ahand
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I see a smudge. :P
Nice car though, would never want to own one, but very nice either way!
Only 178K? It's still a new van then, fix 'er up! :D
'01 Accord (bought new in ~'00) is hitting 270K in the next day or so. The Civic had ~230K (only 100 or so was from us though) before I ended up rolling it.
thanks.......
but ya see? you're talking a honda with 230k this is a chrysler with 178k, which is the equivalent of a honda with 490k. :devil
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thanks.......
but ya see? you're talking a honda with 230k this is a chrysler with 178k, which is the equivalent of a honda with 490k. :devil
:lol touche. Still 270k is good for such minimal repairs. But 150k+ on anything US made is nothing short of a miracle!
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:lol touche. Still 270k is good for such minimal repairs. But 150k+ on anything US made is nothing short of a miracle!
well, i do have my 85 e-350 which has flipped the odometer 3 times on the original engine, but is on the second or third tranny....... :devil
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well, i do have my 85 e-350 which has flipped the odometer 3 times on the original engine, but is on the second or third tranny....... :devil
3 Million miles!?!?
But seriously looks and sounds like a great car.
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3 Million miles!?!?
But seriously looks and sounds like a great car.
300k
I'm sure 3 million would be a record of some sort
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Nice Cap! My best wishes on a bunch of fun miles with your Stang.
Now... When you want to get a REAL car, come talk to me about a Camaro ZL1. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1/#image1 (http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1/#image1)
Only kidding... That's a sweet ride ya got there. :D
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nice review, looks great in black too. glad you opted for the brake package rather than the bling, every modern car Ive owned has had brembo or tarox discs and pagid pads upgraded on it :aok
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Go back and slap your sales guy for putting that sticker on it.
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+1 on getting rid of the dealer sticker...
Next time wash her before taking her picture :) Just kidding.
Real question - how come you have the ambient light set to *purple*? :lol
Nice purple highlights off of the pedals. Real purdy. :aok
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Seriously again, nice car.
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Nice write up Cap, very nice ride as well. Before the snow flew yesterday I had put about 1000km last week on our Viper before putting it back into storage until next year, and as I'm sure as anyone can imagine that when out driving in it ANYONE with anything resembling a performance car will try and race/catch/pass/annoy you at every opportunity. It's strange, in all the Vette's I've owned including a blown Z06 that was actually faster than the Viper I'd rarely notice this, but the Dodge car just seems to attract it, or bring it out of other drivers. Digression over, my point is the last car I ran into to try this was a new 5.0 Mustang identical to yours. I was not just impressed with it, I would rate my surprise at "shocked" at how it performed for a base-ish model Mustang, plus the driver new what he was doing as well I think. There is a great strip of road North of Calgary that go-faster drivers frequent, and dammed if he wasn't a lot closer to my tail lights than I thought he should have been all the way up it. Once the snow is gone I'll be seriously looking at one of these as project #2 for next year instead of the Camaro, which is something I'd never thought I would say.
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3 Million miles!?!?
But seriously looks and sounds like a great car.
300k........85's only went to 100k, then flipped. :aok
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Go back and slap your sales guy for putting that sticker on it.
yea i know, but here in nj, there has to be something. it's the dealer sticker, or a regular sticker...with the dealer sticker, she doesn't go through inspection for 5 years. :devil
hey!!! i just thought about this!! since i don't have to get her inspected for 5 years, it must be legal for me to take the cats off!! woohoo!!!! another 3.5hp!!!!!! YAEEEESSSSSSS!!!!! :devil
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+1 on getting rid of the dealer sticker...
Next time wash her before taking her picture :) Just kidding.
Real question - how come you have the ambient light set to *purple*? :lol
Nice purple highlights off of the pedals. Real purdy. :aok
i like it because it almost duplicates the look of a black light being lit(another trip back into the 70's). :devil
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That's a sweet ride Cap and an excellent writeup and black on black is a great way to go in my not so humble opinion but, like you, I do like the Kona Blue. Shame you, Golfer, and I are so far apart. Getting the three stangs together for some photo's would be pretty cool.
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Nice write up Cap, very nice ride as well. Before the snow flew yesterday I had put about 1000km last week on our Viper before putting it back into storage until next year, and as I'm sure as anyone can imagine that when out driving in it ANYONE with anything resembling a performance car will try and race/catch/pass/annoy you at every opportunity. It's strange, in all the Vette's I've owned including a blown Z06 that was actually faster than the Viper I'd rarely notice this, but the Dodge car just seems to attract it, or bring it out of other drivers. Digression over, my point is the last car I ran into to try this was a new 5.0 Mustang identical to yours. I was not just impressed with it, I would rate my surprise at "shocked" at how it performed for a base-ish model Mustang, plus the driver new what he was doing as well I think. There is a great strip of road North of Calgary that go-faster drivers frequent, and dammed if he wasn't a lot closer to my tail lights than I thought he should have been all the way up it. Once the snow is gone I'll be seriously looking at one of these as project #2 for next year instead of the Camaro, which is something I'd never thought I would say.
thank ya sir.
that's part of my amor with the new mustangs, besides their looks. they seem to be well able to perform with cars that outclass them by miles. i had no clue that these could hang so close to a viper.
my feeling on this, is that even a corvette will suffer against a mustang, unless the corvette is more than the base vette.
a buddy of mine has 2 vipers, and loves em both.
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Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
Who says he will crash it. I bought my Daughter a gunmetal grey 40 year anniversary mustang as her first car at 15. It was a V6. She drove it very well and earned her Camaro I bought her last year.
If he likes to show off...... no matter what you buy him he will more than likely wreck it. That does not mean all kids are alike.
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Who says he will crash it. I bought my Daughter a gunmetal grey 40 year anniversary mustang as her first car at 15. It was a V6. She drove it very well and earned her Camaro I bought her last year.
If he likes to show off...... no matter what you buy him he will more than likely wreck it. That does not mean all kids are alike.
I agree with this 100%. I've driven high performance vehicles from day 1 of driving, and even had my full motorcycle license when I was 15, a year younger than you can get a car license circa 1989 in Canada. My first bike was a Honda 750 Interceptor, and my 2nd a couple of years later was the first of the CBR 900RR Honda series. My first car was an Eagle Talon TSI Turbo in 1990, and all my rides have gotten better from there. I never had a single crash of any kind in my youth, and although YES I did do some things driving that were probably questionable, I made it through OK. I'm sure our youngsters now should be given the same chance that I was. Life is to short to drive something average after all. My advice is to get what you really WANT, and enjoy it while you have it, and to just have the attitude that you aren't the only one out there and to treat other drivers how you would like to be treated. That wave you get from fellow bike riders, or the high beam flips from another sportscar driver, and even the yells and waves from kids in the window beside you trying to convince you to do a full power launch at that next light are more than worth it.
edit - Seeing Tupac at the top of the thread made me think of his folks. Putting your offspring alone into a cockpit of a plane takes more balls than letting them loose on a 400 hp car in my book, and Tupac from all accounts I've read on here is doing fantastic with his flying/aircraft maint/etc. He's the kind of example I think I'd most want young drivers and even pilots to take after. Like the previous poster said, if a young driver wants to show off, invariably they'll learn their lesson irregardless of what they're operating.
buddy of mine has 2 vipers, and loves em both.
Ya Cap, like I said back in the car picture thread, this is Viper number 2 for me also. I had my first one back when they were relatively new and very rare, and my fondest memories of driving ANY car are of that one back around 96 or so. They are still pretty rare, especially in Alberta, when I drove my Vette I'd see another one or two every time I went out to drive around or head out to Banff for the day. No longer. The downside is that if a cop in the oncoming lane sees me going a tad faster than he appreciates, I'm the ONLY red Viper out on the road in a city of 1.1 million as a matter of near certainty, so expecting any "breaks" if there is a ...legal entanglement over velocity at some later date is pure fantasy.
I'm going out to the Ford dealership this afternoon to peruse a few of their Mustangs left on the lot from this year, I don't know what it is about this car today, your write up, or what, but I'm compelled to go explore them. If the dealership doesn't burst into flames when I walk in, as I've always been told would happen if my shadow crossed their door, I'll report in how it goes. I still can't believe I'm going to do this, as my youth was spent in battle with my arch enemies, most of whom were "rollin, in my five point oh"....I feel like I'm doing something traitorous. Again, something fishy is going on, don't be surprised by a new car picture here later to match yours. To be continued.
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what the hell is that?! :noid
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jeezuz cap, clean out that garage man...you barely have enough room to park a moped in there without scratching it.
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Don't know but it looks evil enough to be a pet of mine :D
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jeezuz cap, clean out that garage man...you barely have enough room to park a moped in there without scratching it.
i'm still working on the garage. i had let it get out of hand over the years, as i never put my dakota or jeep in there. what you see in there, is after about 5 hours worth of cleaning, and throwing crap away. i have a long way to go yet.
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Who says he will crash it. I bought my Daughter a gunmetal grey 40 year anniversary mustang as her first car at 15. It was a V6. She drove it very well and earned her Camaro I bought her last year.
If he likes to show off...... no matter what you buy him he will more than likely wreck it. That does not mean all kids are alike.
190hp in that '04 vs 412 in the new GT isn't exactly apples to apples.
I wouldn't turn myself loose in one of these new GTs at 16. Older me is scared of the thought of younger me with something like that.
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I turn Squid loose in the 2012 Stang with all the confidence in the world that if something happens it won't be because he's doing something stupid. I wish I had his maturity back when I was 18.
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Well with only some very basic mods you can get a GT into the 11s. That's pretty speedy for an every day street car for your average 16 year old boy.
The sixers don't have that same power and controllability is easier and torque is significantly less than the GTs. They also don't have so much more engine than you need which is good for a younger driver I'd think We could all agree to.
I drove a GT500 recently. Want. Want want want. I pity the 16 year old ok borrowed time in one of those ;)
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190hp in that '04 vs 412 in the new GT isn't exactly apples to apples.
I wouldn't turn myself loose in one of these new GTs at 16. Older me is scared of the thought of younger me with something like that.
this.
when we're that young, we think we can handle anything.
personally, i clearly remember thinking i could. looking back, i am thankful i never had this kind of power when i was young, as i more than likely wouldn't be here today.
we also need to remember, that the 6 cylinder mustangs have significantly more power of the v8 mustangs of past.
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Who says he will crash it. I bought my Daughter a gunmetal grey 40 year anniversary mustang as her first car at 15. It was a V6. She drove it very well and earned her Camaro I bought her last year.
If he likes to show off...... no matter what you buy him he will more than likely wreck it. That does not mean all kids are alike.
shuff.....there is a huge difference though. it seems to me that you've taken a very active role in your daughter learning to drive. you seem to have that sort of personality.
it's all too common these days though, where too many parents don't do this. it's those people we need to watch out for. they think that because they can drive in "need for speed" that they can jump into 400 or 500hp right off the bat. this is compounded by some parents not explaining that there's a huge difference on the streets in the real world, and that there are consequences for certain actions.
i am somewhat thankful that i never had anything this powerful when i was that young, as i did exhibit a lack of common sense back then. i gained it rather quickly, but i didn't have it to begin with.
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Congrats Cap!
She is beautiful!
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Not a mustang guy unless it was an ancient rebuilt one like the one my Dad and I did back when I was in high school but that is a nice looking ride. Be safe in that puppy.
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this.
when we're that young, we think we can handle anything.
personally, i clearly remember thinking i could. looking back, i am thankful i never had this kind of power when i was young, as i more than likely wouldn't be here today.
we also need to remember, that the 6 cylinder mustangs have significantly more power of the v8 mustangs of past.
I am 17 and I drive my parents 2004 Honda CR-V. I have gone 106 mph in it before. I would be dead if I had your car probably. I could handle it :rolleyes:.
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I am 17 and I drive my parents 2004 Honda CR-V. I have gone 106 mph in it before. I would be dead if I had your car probably. I could handle it :rolleyes:.
yikes!!! a cr-v will go that fast? that is a frightening thought to me. :noid
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Well with only some very basic mods you can get a GT into the 11s. That's pretty speedy for an every day street car for your average 16 year old boy.
The sixers don't have that same power and controllability is easier and torque is significantly less than the GTs. They also don't have so much more engine than you need which is good for a younger driver I'd think We could all agree to.
I drove a GT500 recently. Want. Want want want. I pity the 16 year old ok borrowed time in one of those ;)
Yes till 2011 the mustang was rather anemic. They woke up when the V6 Camaro was putting down almost the same horses as the V8 GT.
Fun HP wars again. Even trucks and other cars are getting more HP.
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we also need to remember, that the 6 cylinder mustangs have significantly more power of the v8 mustangs of past.
The little sixers like Dicho's MCA and mine come in at 305HP starting in 2011. 2010 GTs came with 310. The 2004 made 260 off the showroom floor. You can drive off in a base V6 Mustang coupe in the "teens" cost wise. For that money you're packing more power than the 2009 GT.
They're good performers and while I don't think they'd overwhelm a new driver they are definitely peppy. Enough that I've been to the track a few times now and for what I paid I can't feel at all bad about the performance I'm getting. Going back to the track tomorrow :)
Goal on street tires with zero mods in my convertible is 13.xx which should be around 103-4 mph. Not bad for a sixer that pulled 30+ mpg on my trip home to Ohio last week. If I had a coupe with taller gears (3.31 vs the 2.73s I have) and stickier tires (same as Caps) it would be no problem. The verts aren't made for that but if it went any faster I'd need a roll bar which is something I'm not going to do. No point cutting it up for that speed.
When the 11-12 GT500s are in the mid 30's then I've got my track day car. :)
(puts the tangent train back on the tracks)
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The little sixers like Dicho's MCA and mine come in at 305HP starting in 2011. 2010 GTs came with 310. The 2004 made 260 off the showroom floor. You can drive off in a base V6 Mustang coupe in the "teens" cost wise. For that money you're packing more power than the 2009 GT.
They're good performers and while I don't think they'd overwhelm a new driver they are definitely peppy. Enough that I've been to the track a few times now and for what I paid I can't feel at all bad about the performance I'm getting. Going back to the track tomorrow :)
Goal on street tires with zero mods in my convertible is 13.xx which should be around 103-4 mph. Not bad for a sixer that pulled 30+ mpg on my trip home to Ohio last week. If I had a coupe with taller gears (3.31 vs the 2.73s I have) and stickier tires (same as Caps) it would be no problem. The verts aren't made for that but if it went any faster I'd need a roll bar which is something I'm not going to do. No point cutting it up for that speed.
When the 11-12 GT500s are in the mid 30's then I've got my track day car. :)
(puts the tangent train back on the tracks)
good points.
the 80's gt's only were in the 225hp range. my 89 from ford was just that. my 83 5 liter was a screaming 175 or so.....and ran a blistering 15.5 at around 89mph bone stock.
you're right to not cut anything up. the more i look at mine, the more i decide to just leave her as she is. there is nothing to change at all. same(in my opinion) goes for yours, and dichos. they are perfect cars.
hey.....next time you're down this way, we gotta get pics of these cars together, then email em to dicho, so he can add his in. :D
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I'd like to take mine out to a road course so I could bet a better feel for her than I get on the streets here. I'm not willing to risk a ticket to find that out on public streets. Not to mention that people are so unpredictable I don't want to splatter somebody in the attempt to satisfy my curiosity.
Get them against a light solid background and I can probably ps all three of them together Cap :)
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Well, as stated, I'm back from touring the Ford dealerships in town. Not a lot of 2011 GT's on the lots at the moment. I found one 2011 GT that is red (the Viper is red, and I don't want another red car), and unfortunately also a convertible, which I HATE. I priced out and almost ordered a 2012 GT equipped exactly how I wanted it, and it came to 46,500 before federal tax/delivery/etc. I nearly pulled the trigger on it until my sales girl (26, average looking, but REALLY knows her ess ech eye tee when it comes to the Mustangs) told me of a demo driven 2011 Shelby GT500 with 400+ KM (about 300 ish miles) on it in the back of one of their other dealerships. She went and pulled it around and after looking it over, mulling it over, and reading for a couple hours about the Shelby's, I decided my first foray into the Pony cars after 38 years of being all about General Motors, Camaro's, Vette's, a couple Firebirds, and yes, a couple Mopar's thrown in here and there for a change - should begin with the best of the best.
Deposit put down to hold it for me until tomorrow to give me a night to convince the missus that her new summer car for next year was too good of a deal to pass up. We were 99% certain it would be a new Camaro, as I haven't had one of those since my 2002 Firebird ram air, but change can be good. For 1000$ more than the 2012 GT I had ordered up, I'm losing a model year, but I went in looking for a 2011 anyhow, and for 48000$ incl taxes, I'm now officially -at least tomorrow morning I will be joining the pony car ranks. 3.73 read end and the 5.4....Again, very much not what I thought I'd have been going with, but I'm more than happy, particularly with the deal they cut me. I do have some concerns about how it may or may not have been driven for the first 425 km, but I was given pretty much the max warranty, and I'll follow my own personal break in schedule and hope for the best.
More/better pictures to follow tomorrow. I'm so excited about this car I can't begin to tell you. Yes, it's going into the storage garage with the Snake and my bike for probably the next 5 or 6 months, and driving the Duramax instead of the new pony today isn't doing my exercises in patience much good today..but what the hell! :D :x :t . My first emoticons too, haha.
edit - The shaker 1000 system is actually better than I expected for a factory jobby. I'm reading through the manual right now. I'm jealous that I'm not going to be getting nearly as much time to drive it as the wife due to my health issues....she might just end up with that Camaro, maybe even the V6 one (hahaha) and I'll take this one.
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AWESOME!!! Welcome to the club sir <S>
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Well, as stated, I'm back from touring the Ford dealerships in town. Not a lot of 2011 GT's on the lots at the moment. I found one 2011 GT that is red (the Viper is red, and I don't want another red car), and unfortunately also a convertible, which I HATE. I priced out and almost ordered a 2012 GT equipped exactly how I wanted it, and it came to 46,500 before federal tax/delivery/etc. I nearly pulled the trigger on it until my sales girl (26, average looking, but REALLY knows her ess ech eye tee when it comes to the Mustangs) told me of a demo driven 2011 Shelby GT500 with 400+ KM (about 300 ish miles) on it in the back. She went and pulled it around and after looking it over, mulling it over, and reading for a couple hours about the Shelby's, I decided my first foray into the Pony cars after 38 years of being all about General Motors, Camaro's, Vette's, a couple Firebirds, and yes, a couple Mopar's thrown in here and there for a change - should begin with the best of the best.
Deposit put down to hold it for me until tomorrow to give me a night to convince the missus that her new summer car for next year was too good of a deal to pass up. We were 99% certain it would be a new Camaro, as I haven't had one of those since my 2002 Firebird ram air, but change can be good. For 1000$ more than the 2012 GT I had ordered up, I'm losing a model year, but I went in looking for a 2011 anyhow, and for 48000$ incl taxes, I'm now officially -at least tomorrow morning I will be joining the pony car ranks.
More/better pictures to follow tomorrow. I'm so excited about this car I can't begin to tell you. Yes, it's going into the storage garage with the Snake and my bike for probably the next 5 or 6 months, and driving the Duramax instead of the new pony today isn't doing my exercises in patients much good today..but what the hell! :D :x :t . My first emoticons too, haha.
edit - The shaker 1000 system is actually better than I expected for a factory jobby. I'm reading through the manual right now. I'm jealous that I'm not going to be getting nearly as much time to drive it as the wife due to my health issues....she might just end up with that Camaro, maybe even the V6 one (hahaha) and I'll take this one.
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DOOOOOOOODDDDDDD!!!!
i think i'm jealous now.
you're becoming a snake keeper, huh? viper, and not cobra. :devil
friggin sawwweeet dood. i think i can say i speak for most all of us when i say we expect pictures soon. :aok
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Nice Gman. This game of one upping is getting pricy!
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Hah, I certainly wasn't going for a one up thing Golfer, please don't think that's my intention at all, this just fell into my lap and was meant to be I think. Like I said, I went out today looking for a 5.0, but the wife REALLY liked this Shelby and the deal was too good, like 15K almost from a new 2012 for an almost new car(300 miles and still unregistered status). I've been really blessed this year financially which still hasn't made up for the crap kicking I've taken the last 2 in the health department, so things like this are the end result. Cap's excellent report/write up and his pics were just the little bit to push me over the cliff and go out looking, the Shelby as I said just felt like it was sitting there waiting for us to come take her. In my sunset years here I've started to believe less in coincidence and more into things like this, hah. I only have room for one more car in our storage facility, so I'll be VERY selective for the last spot, or pass our 76 vette stingray on to another family member that can drive it and appreciate it more than I can, as it was something I inherited.
Overall I was really impressed with Ford as a company (no bailout etc) and how ALL of their cars are pretty cool right now. Heck, that eco-whatever engine in the F150 is something I had no idea about until going in today. My truck's are and always will be diesel, but going with that rocket ship power train in an F150 and trading in our 2008 Durmax is something I'm sitting here thinking over right now, lol. Anyhow, adios until tomorrow.
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Ohhhhh, I am sooooooo envious Gman. You got yourself a heck of a deal on a very unique car. Congratulations!!
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Hah, I certainly wasn't going for a one up thing Golfer, please don't think that's my intention at all, this just fell into my lap and was meant to be I think. Like I said, I went out today looking for a 5.0, but the wife REALLY liked this Shelby and the deal was too good, like 15K almost from a new 2012 for an almost new car(300 miles and still unregistered status). I've been really blessed this year financially which still hasn't made up for the crap kicking I've taken the last 2 in the health department, so things like this are the end result. Cap's excellent report/write up and his pics were just the little bit to push me over the cliff and go out looking, the Shelby as I said just felt like it was sitting there waiting for us to come take her. In my sunset years here I've started to believe less in coincidence and more into things like this, hah. I only have room for one more car in our storage facility, so I'll be VERY selective for the last spot, or pass our 76 vette stingray on to another family member that can drive it and appreciate it more than I can, as it was something I inherited.
Overall I was really impressed with Ford as a company (no bailout etc) and how ALL of their cars are pretty cool right now. Heck, that eco-whatever engine in the F150 is something I had no idea about until going in today. My truck's are and always will be diesel, but going with that rocket ship power train in an F150 and trading in our 2008 Durmax is something I'm sitting here thinking over right now, lol. Anyhow, adios until tomorrow.
Ford? No Bailout? lol They got money too.....
Car looks good except from that view. The backend is just so "what were they thinking". Side and front look good.
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Ford? No Bailout? lol They got money too.....
Car looks good except from that view. The backend is just so "what were they thinking". Side and front look good.
not that we should go there, but ford took ZERO bail out money. none. nada. zilch. zippo. all they did was sell product. :aok
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Looks great!! Cant wait till ya hand ME the keys so I can take it for a test drive!!!!
Oh dont worry Ill leave ya the keys to the Monte Carlo in case ya have to go anywhere. :D
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yikes!!! a cr-v will go that fast? that is a frightening thought to me. :noid
I was rather impressed.
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All this talk has me thinking about dropping some money into my G8 again...
For the price you guys are spending on new stangs, I can get my G8 well over 500hp. I paid under $30k including tax for the G8, so I figure I have about $10k to spend before it costs as much as even a taurus SHO. And I'm starting with 361 poorly tuned hp and a cam designed to work with half the cylinders disabled.
Then again, my wife has been buggin me to start the kids' college fund... Still, some smart motor work would get me comfortably over 400hp even without a blower, and just $600 in tuning and intake work would get me about 390hp. The day the powertrain warranty is gone, I'm getting a good engine/transmission tune. The car handles absolutely neutrally and since it doesn't push at all I haven't been able to safely approach its cornering limits on public roads, so I don't think I'm going to touch the suspension. It handles very nicely for an overweight overpowered 4-door sedan :)
But I'm really glad Ford finally got their act together on mustang performance. I grew up driving Fords and I came *this* close to buying a mustang cobra back in 1997-1998. I got my trans-am instead because it cost around $10,000 less and was significantly faster both on the drag strip and on road courses. It wasn't until somewhere around 2004 or 2005 that a "factory" mustang (ie. one you could get from a regular dealer without signing up for years in advance) could keep up with with a '98 f-body on the dragstrip, and based on SCCA autox national results they still have trouble keeping up when the track isn't straight. Putting that much power into the base GT is a great start though :)
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Why your parents just going to buy you a $35,000 sports car for your first vehicle so you can crash it?
Oh! you must be talking about the mini-van...
Zing!
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I'd like to take mine out to a road course so I could bet a better feel for her than I get on the streets here. I'm not willing to risk a ticket to find that out on public streets. Not to mention that people are so unpredictable I don't want to splatter somebody in the attempt to satisfy my curiosity.
Get them against a light solid background and I can probably ps all three of them together Cap :)
i will in the spring time be taking mine to milleville raceway, and going to a driving school there, so i can learn to make her do the things i know she can. i'll probably do my damdest to get golfer to come along down there too. and now that i think of it doesn't nipsy live here in nj?
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All this talk has me thinking about dropping some money into my G8 again...
For the price you guys are spending on new stangs, I can get my G8 well over 500hp. I paid under $30k including tax for the G8, so I figure I have about $10k to spend before it costs as much as even a taurus SHO. And I'm starting with 361 poorly tuned hp and a cam designed to work with half the cylinders disabled.
Then again, my wife has been buggin me to start the kids' college fund... Still, some smart motor work would get me comfortably over 400hp even without a blower, and just $600 in tuning and intake work would get me about 390hp. The day the powertrain warranty is gone, I'm getting a good engine/transmission tune. The car handles absolutely neutrally and since it doesn't push at all I haven't been able to safely approach its cornering limits on public roads, so I don't think I'm going to touch the suspension. It handles very nicely for an overweight overpowered 4-door sedan :)
But I'm really glad Ford finally got their act together on mustang performance. I grew up driving Fords and I came *this* close to buying a mustang cobra back in 1997-1998. I got my trans-am instead because it cost around $10,000 less and was significantly faster both on the drag strip and on road courses. It wasn't until somewhere around 2004 or 2005 that a "factory" mustang (ie. one you could get from a regular dealer without signing up for years in advance) could keep up with with a '98 f-body on the dragstrip, and based on SCCA autox national results they still have trouble keeping up when the track isn't straight. Putting that much power into the base GT is a great start though :)
yea, ford dropped the ball when they went from the fox chassis to the so called sn95 chassis. they added weight, added expense, and subtracted horsepower.
all of the fox chassis mustangs were quicker, and at the very minimum, equal to the camaro/firebirds in the handling dept. then just as gm improved the f body, for effed up.
at least they've finally reconciled themselves with the sn197 chassis mustangs. now, although they're still somewhat pricey, they are essentially the quickest, fastest, best handling, best cornering coupes you can buy brand new in their price range.
what'll be REALLY cool with your g8, if/when you start messin with it, is it'll be an ultimate sleeper. if this thread inspired ya to go ahead and do some work to it....then i'm glad. it doesn't matter, ford, chevy, pontiac, bmw.......all that matters is that we love our cars, and have fun makin em fast.
BTW....american muscle has a 6 banger supposedly street legal running 11.9's, and a supposedly street legal 2011 gt automatic running 10.9's. :devil
almost forgot.....2004's were(i think) the last year of the sn95 chassis, and 2005 was the first year of the current sn197 chassis. both were 4.6 liters, and both didn't have the power that they could or should have had out of the factory.
also, if i recall, 97 or 98 was the year that ford built some cobras with IRS. those same cobras are why the mustang of today still has a live rear axle. i've known a couple people that owned those irs equipped cobras, and not a single one of them has anything good to say about them.
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I hope yours holds together better than my brother's 2007 mustang. That thing has broke down 4 times in the last year. Not for lack of maintenance either. It's taken good care of.
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I hope yours holds together better than my brother's 2007 mustang. That thing has broke down 4 times in the last year. Not for lack of maintenance either. It's taken good care of.
those were either the 4.6 liter if it had a v8, or a 4 liter if it had a v6. neither engine is a good engine.
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Your local tuner can easily disable skip shift with a laptop and a cable or tuning hardware.
I'm not sure unplugging the soleniod won't light a check engine light at some point as the ecu does check for the resistence of the soleniod's coil.
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Your local tuner can easily disable skip shift with a laptop and a cable or tuning hardware.
I'm not sure unplugging the soleniod won't light a check engine light at some point as the ecu does check for the resistence of the soleniod's coil.
when i decide to take care of it, i'll more than likely purchase a tuner, and do it myself. :aok
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Well it's worked for a few hundred owners. I won't plug a tuner into mine until I'm well into the warranty and I have confidence everything is working as it should.
Unplug the skip shift on the transmission, tape it up and go on your merry check engine less way.
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Well it's worked for a few hundred owners. I won't plug a tuner into mine until I'm well into the warranty and I have confidence everything is working as it should.
Unplug the skip shift on the transmission, tape it up and go on your merry check engine less way.
in this car, there is no other way to go but "merry" :devil i friggin swear ford finally got it right. must be why the rumor mill says they're gonna change it in 2014. :bhead
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
oo oo.........what'd ya say? :noid :devil
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It was not bad. Just bumped the line a bit. He tried to dumb it down.
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CAP you in Mt. Holly? I live in Willingboro,lol
:cheers: Oz
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It was not bad. Just bumped the line a bit. He tried to dumb it down.
aahh.....i'm not used to seeing shuff get edited......
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CAP you in Mt. Holly? I live in Willingboro,lol
:cheers: Oz
i'm actually in lindenwold, and my shops in cherry hill. i went all the way up to miller, because of the way they treated me right from the very first contact.
it kinda sucks, because winner ford is 300 yards away from my shop, and echelon ford is very close to my home.........but neither one of them even came close to miller.
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It was not bad. Just bumped the line a bit. He tried to dumb it down.
Yes I did... lol but I see why you axed it. Some can't even smell that type stuff and they go boinkers.
I'll just leave it as common knowleged ford took money too and I'll leave the reason some don't know out. :)
ummm Cap... that one tire looks low... better check it. :D
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Yes I did... lol but I see why you axed it. Some can't even smell that type stuff and they go boinkers.
I'll just leave it as common knowleged ford took money too and I'll leave the reason some don't know out. :)
ummm Cap... that one tire looks low... better check it. :D
they sold their notes in package deals, as they and all of them do. . since no one was buying, then you-know-who bought them. that still wasn't a handout, as gm and chrysler took. toyota, bmw, and a host of others sold to you-know-who too. :aok
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So I found a road course not too far away from my house. Wonder what they'd charge me to just take a few laps :)
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So I found a road course not too far away from my house. Wonder what they'd charge me to just take a few laps :)
check em out. they've probably got a driving school on the track too.
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So I found a road course not too far away from my house. Wonder what they'd charge me to just take a few laps :)
We setup group deals at courses in Texas. If your a member of a club they usually have track days and you can get a better deal. Most tracks have open days for folks to run. You make laps with a track safety official to get to know the track. Once your up to speed they'll let you run it yourself. Generally there are other drivers on the track at the same time and use hand signals for passing.
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Good info Shuf... grats
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Good info Shuf... grats
Be sure to check gear requirements..... helmet clothing type and such. Your car will get inspected for safety of course.
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We setup group deals at courses in Texas. If your a member of a club they usually have track days and you can get a better deal. Most tracks have open days for folks to run. You make laps with a track safety official to get to know the track. Once your up to speed they'll let you run it yourself. Generally there are other drivers on the track at the same time and use hand signals for passing.
i've joined the mustang club of america. they'll probably have deals for days such as this at milleville.
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Be sure to check gear requirements..... helmet clothing type and such. Your car will get inspected for safety of course.
he's driving a brand spanking new mustang. i somehow suspect it'll pass. :devil
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i've joined the mustang club of america. they'll probably have deals for days such as this at milleville.
I didn't. Perhaps I should.
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I didn't. Perhaps I should.
Your better off joining a local club. They are all over.
Our H-Town Camaro Club has a meet with North Side Mustang Club every year.
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I didn't. Perhaps I should.
check em out. they have local clubs all over. the one nearest me is in vineland nj, about 30 miles.....but a good excuse to take a nice fun drive.
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HEY.....
any of you guys in the south jersey area........i just drove past winner ford on a test drive. there's a VERY nice looking black camaro sitting there on the line.
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They are probably just checking to see what else they need to improve on the mustang. :neener:
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Bet he/she has the stones to race!
Cap ain't out tonight.
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Everybody chant "cap is a wussie cap is a wussie!"
Just set a new PB in this car. 14.36@99.03
Full tire pressure on street tires, tools/aid kit/misc stuff in the trunk. Street as street can be. Goal is 13's
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ummm Cap?
do I need to start chanting? :)
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I'm #10. Other car is an '11 V6 coupe with $1500 in mods and a driver with more experience. I'm pleased!!
Have a few passes left I hope.
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Some heavy iron here tonight. Cha-Ching!
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Who says he will crash it. I bought my Daughter a gunmetal grey 40 year anniversary mustang as her first car at 15. It was a V6. She drove it very well and earned her Camaro I bought her last year.
would you like to adopt a 19 year old male who is currently a college student that is going for pro-piloting? He is house trained, can fly you anywhere, can drive you anywhere, has never had a speeding ticket or been in an accident (bambi doesnt count).
lol
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on a serious note...
Cap you have a really nice Stang there.
I wasnt really a fan of the new rear ends on the mustangs, but they are starting to grow on me.
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i've got a ways to go till i'm willing to race her. at least break in mileage.
congrats on that et dood!! that's still nearly a full second faster than the 80's gt's ran.
where are you launching? traction control on or off? where are you shifting? granny shifting, or power shifting? we oughtta be able to get you down to that 13.9 mark without too much.
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on a serious note...
Cap you have a really nice Stang there.
I wasnt really a fan of the new rear ends on the mustangs, but they are starting to grow on me.
to be honest, i loved the back of the 2009's better. till i saw them at night. big red blobs for tail lights. at first, i still didn't like these back ends. then they kinda grew on me. a LOT.
hey golfer....what'd that vette run?
also, i should note, that i'm on mcguire afb right now.
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to be honest, i loved the back of the 2009's better. till i saw them at night. big red blobs for tail lights. at first, i still didn't like these back ends. then they kinda grew on me. a LOT.
hey golfer....what'd that vette run?
also, i should note, that i'm on mcguire afb right now.
ya same here. I however love the "new" old turn signals that they brought back and how they flash from inboard to outboard. Had they done that on the 09 styling rear end, i think they would have a perfect car.
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ya same here. I however love the "new" old turn signals that they brought back and how they flash from inboard to outboard. Had they done that on the 09 styling rear end, i think they would have a perfect car.
yea, that was a big thing for me. they went "retro", and made crappy japanese looking tail lights. now that they've sleekened the back end like this, you know for fact it's a mustang that's up there in front. well....that and it would just stand to reason, if you're not driving one, then that's what that blur that just went by is. :devil
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looking at that time slip......on the tree, you shoulda had him by about a half fender. at the 60' mark, it should have looked essentially the same...you out front by about a half fender. 330 he's gained about half of that fender on ya, and it's neck n neck, but then seenign the 1/8 mark, he's probably got about a fender on you. at the 1,000 foot mark, he's opened it up to about a half to three quarters of a car, and finished at that spacing.
simple intake and exhaust mods will do that. any rear over 3.00, he should've eaten you alive on the line,,,,if he didn't he doesn't quite know how to launch....or you REALLY know how to launch. :devil
either way, friggin LOW14'S, in a six banger that tops 30mpg, AND likes the twistie/turns. :aok
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hey...golfer, and dicho.....out of the links in the other thread, suggesting cleaning/polishing/waxing the mustangs. what are you two using, and having good luck with? what are you using on the engine compartment? i think she's gonna get a bath this weekend.
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traffic this morning was seriously FUBAR. they closed warwick rd(the main road into haddonfield from my area) completley. the way the police were detouring, was pretty much a sea of tail lights. so i turned off, and worked my way through the back roads of somerdale, to rt 30, crossed, to get to the connector road back to warwick on the other side of whatever mess they created for us this morning.
got caught behind a van at one point. capt. incompetent. or lt. indecisive. dunno which one was driving. either way, friggin 15mph in a 40 zone. came upon a bend, clear both ways, plenty of room. throttled her on the bend, tiny flick of the wheel, and suddenly i'm around capt. incompetent. and during that, all i can say, is thank god for traction control. oh....wait.....i caught, and corrected before the tc kicked in. :devil
there's only 2 things i think i'm not gonna like about this car.
1)cop magnet.
2)poorly placed cup holder(i'll live with this one easily)
#1 will be easily fixed with the installation of a good radar detector.
right now, with only 2 highway trips, and then mostly around town and rush hour driving, she's still averaging nearly 17mpg.
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hey...golfer, and dicho.....out of the links in the other thread, suggesting cleaning/polishing/waxing the mustangs. what are you two using, and having good luck with? what are you using on the engine compartment? i think she's gonna get a bath this weekend.
To be honest I've just been hand washing to this point but I'm about to invest in some cleaning stuff.
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To be honest I've just been hand washing to this point but I'm about to invest in some cleaning stuff.
COOL......
i don't ever intend on taking her to a car wash. i'll be washing her by hand.......what cleaner are you using, and what wax?
oh.....i'ma loading up on paintballs. a bird pooped on her yesterday. it is now open season on anything with wings. :devil
side note...i got a bit lucky last night coming home from mcguire. guy about a half mile in front of me in a bmw suv hit a deer. i was doing about 75, and he had just passed me. i managed to miss the deer, but still drove through a bit of the debris from his vehicle.
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ugh!!
I've taken her to the wash once but they offer hand wash and I wasn't in the mood to do it myself that day. I'm still deciding on waxes etc. I just do a simple wash and towel off with the chamois. I'm convinced that birds aim for black cars as both of the stangs can be sitting in the driveway and the black one will get bombed and the old one will stay clean.
I'd use airsoft as opposed to paintball. No mess to clean up afterward :)
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ugh!!
I've taken her to the wash once but they offer hand wash and I wasn't in the mood to do it myself that day. I'm still deciding on waxes etc. I just do a simple wash and towel off with the chamois. I'm convinced that birds aim for black cars as both of the stangs can be sitting in the driveway and the black one will get bombed and the old one will stay clean.
I'd use airsoft as opposed to paintball. No mess to clean up afterward :)
Hand wash can be worse than spraying it yourself. Many have no idea how to care for the paint.
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Don't I know it Shuffler. That's why I'm very careful.
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Hand wash can be worse than spraying it yourself. Many have no idea how to care for the paint.
this is why i'm going over the links to the products and advice you guys offered in golfers thread.
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I got rid of my radar detector when I went to super quiet turbo cars.
Haven't had a ticket since.
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COOL......
i don't ever intend on taking her to a car wash. i'll be washing her by hand.......what cleaner are you using, and what wax?
oh.....i'ma loading up on paintballs. a bird pooped on her yesterday. it is now open season on anything with wings. :devil
side note...i got a bit lucky last night coming home from mcguire. guy about a half mile in front of me in a bmw suv hit a deer. i was doing about 75, and he had just passed me. i managed to miss the deer, but still drove through a bit of the debris from his vehicle.
Go to griot's garage and get the starter kit.
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I got rid of my radar detector when I went to super quiet turbo cars.
Haven't had a ticket since.
Radar detectors in Texas work off speed not sound. :P
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Radar detectors in Texas work off speed not sound. :P
:rofl
i dunno about elsewhere.......but here in nj police tend to pull over certain things, more than others. mustangs are one of those to get stopped more often....as are camaros, vipers, vettes, any of the japanese turbo toys...........
oh yea....i've listened to different exhausts for the gt's online. not a single one of them really truly sounds better than stock. they're just louder. it ain't worth the cost to just make it louder. if i could get that sound of the green hot rod that steve mcqueen drove in a certain movie.....that'd be worth it.
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all new cars are small little engines i mean 5.0 for real....wow...just wow......... thats like less than 350ci thats for a msucle car is just......wow.....get a big block new car makers stupid MPG worrying and give cars whimpy engines......
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all new cars are small little engines i mean 5.0 for real....wow...just wow......... thats like less than 350ci thats for a msucle car is just......wow.....get a big block new car makers stupid MPG worrying and give cars whimpy engines......
If they do that then you have a substantial gas guzzler tax on top of the cost. Not to mention they have to have their whole line of vehicles meet a certain average.
The little engines your speaking of are turning mighty fine HP these days.
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yeah 600lb big block V8s which almost make 200hp are the future! :lol
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oh yea....i've listened to different exhausts for the gt's online. not a single one of them really truly sounds better than stock. they're just louder. it ain't worth the cost to just make it louder. if i could get that sound of the green hot rod that steve mcqueen drove in a certain movie.....that'd be worth it.
I"ve always loved the stock mustang sound, from back when my Dad drove them for the CHP. Once he got enough seniority to get the morning shift (late '89s early '90s) he'd bring the mustang home for breakfast and report writing, and I'd hear the burble of the 5.0's exhaust all the way down the street.
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I"ve always loved the stock mustang sound, from back when my Dad drove them for the CHP. Once he got enough seniority to get the morning shift (late '89s early '90s) he'd bring the mustang home for breakfast and report writing, and I'd hear the burble of the 5.0's exhaust all the way down the street.
For Police that was not stock. :)
Glad you have good memories though.
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I"ve always loved the stock mustang sound, from back when my Dad drove them for the CHP. Once he got enough seniority to get the morning shift (late '89s early '90s) he'd bring the mustang home for breakfast and report writing, and I'd hear the burble of the 5.0's exhaust all the way down the street.
i think the police mustangs had slightly different exhaust.
like i said...if i could find a set of mufflers that'd make her sound like that gt390, i'd grab em, and install em. otherwise, she sounds perfectly fine, and more than menacing enough just as she is.
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yeah 600lb big block V8s which almost make 200hp are the future! :lol
tell me a 455 almost makes 200 hp. all this computer controlled BS in the new cars, rice burners in my eyes
you cant ever tell whats wrong with em they dont make any noise, oh right yeah you can plug this computer in and zing :rolleyes:
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tell me a 455 almost makes 200 hp. all this computer controlled BS in the new cars, rice burners in my eyes
you cant ever tell whats wrong with em they dont make any noise, oh right yeah you can plug this computer in and zing :rolleyes:
actually, those of us that know what we're doing, know exactly what's going wrong with them. :devil
The standard 1965-1967 425 cu in (7.0 L) was called the Super Rocket, and was the most powerful engine option for the Oldsmobile 88 and 98 of 1965-1967. Compression ratios of 9.0:1 at 310 hp (230 kW) or 10.25:1 at 360 hp (270 kW) were available in the U.S.
2012 3.7 liter 6 cylinder is rated at 305, a mere 5 hp lower than a hot rod 425? and the 2012 camaro 6 banger is rated at 312hp.....2hp MORE?
the venerable 455.......
A larger big-block was introduced for 1968 as the Rocket 455 at 455 cu in (7.5 L) to replace the 425s. It kept the 425's 4.126 in (104.8 mm) bore and bumped the stroke to 4.25 in (108 mm). 1968-1969 455s were painted red, except in the Toronado, where they were painted slate blue metallic, while 1970-1976 versions were metallic blue. The "Rocket" name disappeared from the air cleaner identification decal after 1974. Although production of the 455 ended in 1976, a small number were produced through 1978 for power equipment use. Output ranged from 275 to 400 hp (199 to 298 kW).
rated at power ranges from lower than a 2012 gt to.........still lower than a 2012 gt. :aok
just sayin.
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actually, those of us that know what we're doing, know exactly what's going wrong with them. :devil
The standard 1965-1967 425 cu in (7.0 L) was called the Super Rocket, and was the most powerful engine option for the Oldsmobile 88 and 98 of 1965-1967. Compression ratios of 9.0:1 at 310 hp (230 kW) or 10.25:1 at 360 hp (270 kW) were available in the U.S.
2012 3.7 liter 6 cylinder is rated at 305, a mere 5 hp lower than a hot rod 425? and the 2012 camaro 6 banger is rated at 312hp.....2hp MORE?
the venerable 455.......
A larger big-block was introduced for 1968 as the Rocket 455 at 455 cu in (7.5 L) to replace the 425s. It kept the 425's 4.126 in (104.8 mm) bore and bumped the stroke to 4.25 in (108 mm). 1968-1969 455s were painted red, except in the Toronado, where they were painted slate blue metallic, while 1970-1976 versions were metallic blue. The "Rocket" name disappeared from the air cleaner identification decal after 1974. Although production of the 455 ended in 1976, a small number were produced through 1978 for power equipment use. Output ranged from 275 to 400 hp (199 to 298 kW).
rated at power ranges from lower than a 2012 gt to.........still lower than a 2012 gt. :aok
just sayin.
2010 and 2011 Camaro V6 was 312 HP. The 2012 V6 Camaro is 323 HP.
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2010 and 2011 Camaro V6 was 312 HP. The 2012 V6 Camaro is 323 HP.
which means that it flat out embarrasses those old 455's
Ford and Chevy...just different flavors of awesome
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which means that it flat out embarrasses those old 455's
Ford and Chevy...just different flavors of awesome
Here is something for you to chew on. Be sure to watch all 4 sections. Click on "VIEW ALL" at the bottom to change vids.
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1/#image10 (http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1/#image10)
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For Police that was not stock. :)
Glad you have good memories though.
CHP mustangs had stock powertrains. They were essentially a stock mustang LX 5.0 with most of the soundproofing and other non-essentials stripped out to reduce weight, a reinforced floorpan, and a crapload of cop gear stuffed in.
The other 5.0 mustangs I encountered sounded almost the same, except that the CHP tended to wear out the cats and mufflers pretty quickly from the hard driving, so they were maybe a bit louder. But the burbling sound was otherwise identical to any other stock 5.0 LX. It's the way the resonators and H pipe work together. Beautiful sound.
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i think the police mustangs had slightly different exhaust.
Not in Calif for CHP. Basically stock but stripped 5.0 LX mustangs with all the emissions crap still installed. The "best" special vehicles the CHP ever got during the 1980s were some crown victorias with mustang 5.0 motors, because state law required them to meet emissions laws no different than any other vehicle owner. So they ended up with essentially stock powertrains. It didn't matter because in the late '80s and early '90s, a well driven mustang could easily keep up with anything but a superbike. My Dad was considered fairly talented as a pursuit driver, but he never "lost" a pursuit against a car due to vehicle performance when driving the mustang. Even if the perp had a faster car, he'd eventually have to slow down to turn or he'd wreck and my Dad had a couple decades of experience NOT crashing when driving fast in traffic. He retired with zero avoidable accidents on his record after 27 years, pretty amazing I think.
But the powertrain... bone stock by law.
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The oldsmobile toronado GT 455 with 400hp and 510 ft/pounds of torque was a pretty stout engine.
People say the Mopar Hemi is what caused nascar to clamp down but it was the other manufacturers answers to the hemi that caused it.
The other manufacturers had engines being readied that were nothing short of unbelievable and this scared the nascar bosses.
Oldsmobile had at least 3 flavor of hemis.......some with 4 valve overhead cam....etc.
A few flavors of olds hemi and overhead cam engines.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2763/4202517147_bdf1a394f9_z.jpg)
(http://image.carcraft.com/f/techarticles/ccrp_1101_oldsmobile_hemi_engine/35407605+pheader_460x1000/ccrp_1101_01_o+oldsmobile_hemi_engine+engine.jpg)
Olds also liked turbos and remember they produced the first turbocharged production car.
(http://ny-attractions.com/img/67/674/OLDSMOBILE_HEMI_EXPERIMENTAL_ENGINE_PART_2.jpg)
Olds had deveolped.....
Aluminum 2 Valve 455, Aluminum DOHC 4 Valve 455, Aluminum 2 Valve Turbo 455, Iron, Aluminum 2 Valve 455 Hemi (W-45), and a Aluminum 4 valve 455 Hemi (OW-43).
Pontiac didn't want to be left out.
(http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/54pontiac/images/pontiac1.JPG)
Ford actually produced cars powered by thier answer to the hemi.
Ford overhead cam 427 "cammer"
(http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/attachments/2170d1240336762-cammer.jpg)
Ford Boss 429 hemi.
(http://www.nzmustang.com/history/Racecars/70boss429eng2.jpg)
Small blocks were not ignored as chevy had experimented with the moser 4 valve small block.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/BRAAPZ/Gen%20I-II/OHC/MoserDOHC1.jpg)
The 4.6 is also a stout engine and we got 800hp out of one a couple of years ago on pump gas with a 3.4 whipple, cams, and mild head porting after we sourced a teksid block from a lincoln MKVIII.
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The oldsmobile toronado GT 455 with 400hp and 510 ft/pounds of torque was a pretty stout engine.
People say the Mopar Hemi is what caused nascar to clamp down but it was the other manufacturers answers to the hemi that caused it.
The other manufacturers had engines being readied that were nothing short of unbelievable and this scared the nascar bosses.
Oldsmobile had at least 3 flavor of hemis.......some with 4 valve overhead cam....etc.
A few flavors of olds hemi and overhead cam engines.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2763/4202517147_bdf1a394f9_z.jpg)
(http://image.carcraft.com/f/techarticles/ccrp_1101_oldsmobile_hemi_engine/35407605+pheader_460x1000/ccrp_1101_01_o+oldsmobile_hemi_engine+engine.jpg)
Olds also liked turbos and remember they produced the first turbocharged production car.
(http://ny-attractions.com/img/67/674/OLDSMOBILE_HEMI_EXPERIMENTAL_ENGINE_PART_2.jpg)
Olds had deveolped.....
Aluminum 2 Valve 455, Aluminum DOHC 4 Valve 455, Aluminum 2 Valve Turbo 455, Iron, Aluminum 2 Valve 455 Hemi (W-45), and a Aluminum 4 valve 455 Hemi (OW-43).
Pontiac didn't want to be left out.
(http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/54pontiac/images/pontiac1.JPG)
Ford actually produced cars powered by thier answer to the hemi.
Ford overhead cam 427 "cammer"
(http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/attachments/2170d1240336762-cammer.jpg)
Ford Boss 429 hemi.
[iimg]http://www.nzmustang.com/history/Racecars/70boss429eng2.jpg[/img]
Small blocks were not ignored as chevy had experimented with the moser 4 valve small block.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/BRAAPZ/Gen%20I-II/OHC/MoserDOHC1.jpg)
I THOUGHT fords cammer was outlawed before mopar brought the hemi to nascar?
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Not in Calif for CHP. Basically stock but stripped 5.0 LX mustangs with all the emissions crap still installed. The "best" special vehicles the CHP ever got during the 1980s were some crown victorias with mustang 5.0 motors, because state law required them to meet emissions laws no different than any other vehicle owner. So they ended up with essentially stock powertrains. It didn't matter because in the late '80s and early '90s, a well driven mustang could easily keep up with anything but a superbike. My Dad was considered fairly talented as a pursuit driver, but he never "lost" a pursuit against a car due to vehicle performance when driving the mustang. Even if the perp had a faster car, he'd eventually have to slow down to turn or he'd wreck and my Dad had a couple decades of experience NOT crashing when driving fast in traffic. He retired with zero avoidable accidents on his record after 27 years, pretty amazing I think.
But the powertrain... bone stock by law.
that's pretty cool. i alwys liked the notch backs better than the hatch backs. they had a kind of badass look to them.
i was driving to florida one year, had a camaro blew by me like i wasn't moving. i was in my 5th ave doing 80. wondered if the dood was insane. about 2 seconds later, came the highway patrol car that was chasing him down. it was a mustang. i passed them about 5 miles up the road. i'd be willuing to bet that the driver wasn't gonna be driving anywhere any time soon.
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The cammer probably was banned early but I didn't want to fashion a single post to reference one engine and instead combined all in one post.
Those florida highway patrol mustangs were loaded down with equipment and not very fast.
In the 80s, I routinely dusted them in a mazda RX-2.
The florida marine patrol cars are the ones to watch for......they are not stock and haven't been since the 70s.
Makes sense since you see them running 26 foot boats with 3X 275hp engines on the transom.
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Go to griot's garage and get the starter kit.
i checked that site out last night. ordering the starter kit today.
i watched the video clips they have. a lot i didn't know. the video of the claybar is scary. the way he snaps that glove is kinda scary...... :noid
almost forgot.......THANK YOU!!!!!
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when i was up at mcguire the other night, my assistant, and good friend gary pulled in in his 2010 camaro, just as i was parking. he got a 6 cylinder. first thing he did, was to cut off the mufflers, and put flowmasters on. the thing sounds great. and although not loud at idle, it was much louder than my gt.
just for the heck of it, i was just listening for different exhausts for the gt. ya know what? there is not a SINGLE truly good sounding aftermarket exhaust out there for these cars.
i'm not dissing the aftermarket. what i mean by the above, is that the stock exhaust is the best sounding. the aftermarket boys seem to only be really concentrating on making them louder. not a one of them has as good of a note as the stock on my gt, or the stock on the boss302's that i've heard.
guess when i get her to milleville, i'm gonna be the "stealthmobile", with my stock exhaust. :devil
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There is a great free mod for the G8... Seems the aussie car designers don't feel like they have to support the muffler shop and welding supply industries, so the G8 mufflers are bolted in place with 2 bolts through a beefy mating flange and metallic gasket. It's super easy to replace the mufflers even without lifting the car if necessary.
As a result, probably the single most popular "free" mod for the G8 is to loosen the top muffler flange bolt, remove the bottom bolt, insert a thin washer between the flanges at the bottom bolt, and tighten it all down with the washer leaving a gap between the flanges. Through some coincidental engineering miracle, the car sounds awesome with even a small gap in that flange. I don't think there is any sort of aftermarket industry for G8 mufflers because the only problem with the stock mufflers is that they're too quiet, and they can be trivially "fixed" by putting in that washer and then it sounds great. The thicker the washer (or the more washers you use), the louder and sweeter it gets.
The next best sounding mod is a cold air intake, which further increases the musical harmony of the motor. The cold air intakes don't actually DO anything for performance unless the ECM is tuned to match however, because the stock tune is so craptastic. It runs terribly rich no matter how much air you stuff into the motor and the only way to fix it is with an ECM tune. Luckily a few shops have done a few hundred tunes, so you just download your engine's own internal calibration tune and send it to the tuner shop, and they send back a customized tune that adds around 30 free hp and 4-5 additional mpg. And then the exhaust tips quit turning black.
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There is a great free mod for the G8... Seems the aussie car designers don't feel like they have to support the muffler shop and welding supply industries, so the G8 mufflers are bolted in place with 2 bolts through a beefy mating flange and metallic gasket. It's super easy to replace the mufflers even without lifting the car if necessary.
As a result, probably the single most popular "free" mod for the G8 is to loosen the top muffler flange bolt, remove the bottom bolt, insert a thin washer between the flanges at the bottom bolt, and tighten it all down with the washer leaving a gap between the flanges. Through some coincidental engineering miracle, the car sounds awesome with even a small gap in that flange. I don't think there is any sort of aftermarket industry for G8 mufflers because the only problem with the stock mufflers is that they're too quiet, and they can be trivially "fixed" by putting in that washer and then it sounds great. The thicker the washer (or the more washers you use), the louder and sweeter it gets.
The next best sounding mod is a cold air intake, which further increases the musical harmony of the motor. The cold air intakes don't actually DO anything for performance unless the ECM is tuned to match however, because the stock tune is so craptastic. It runs terribly rich no matter how much air you stuff into the motor and the only way to fix it is with an ECM tune. Luckily a few shops have done a few hundred tunes, so you just download your engine's own internal calibration tune and send it to the tuner shop, and they send back a customized tune that adds around 30 free hp and 4-5 additional mpg. And then the exhaust tips quit turning black.
may be time to look into a better control system then. or find the cause of the overly rich condition. your engine should never be so rich that the tips turn black. if it is, then something isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.
regardless of tune, you will gain some power by getting colder air into that engine. it may be less without a tune, but it will happen. your sensors will pick up the colder temps, and add fuel accordingly, giving extra power. mustangs with cold air intakes gain about 8-15hp without a tune.....upwards of 30 with.
hell......even on an ollllldddd EEC4 system, i gained nearly a half second in the 1/4 mile, and about 2mpg by installing a ford motorsports cold air intake. it wasn't what's passed off as cold air intakes these days though. it was a true cold air intake. it took its air from just under the passengers side ground effects, just under the fog light. todays systems keep everything under the hood, and merely isolate the filter from the engine heat.
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may be time to look into a better control system then. or find the cause of the overly rich condition. your engine should never be so rich that the tips turn black. if it is, then something isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.
GM left it tuned REALLY rich. As in stupidly rich. All V8 G8s are like this. Its why the tune is such a popular first mod.
regardless of tune, you will gain some power by getting colder air into that engine. it may be less without a tune, but it will happen. your sensors will pick up the colder temps, and add fuel accordingly, giving extra power. mustangs with cold air intakes gain about 8-15hp without a tune.....upwards of 30 with.
The cold air intake is worthless without the tune simply because when the colder denser air hits the MAF, the stock ECM tune just dumps too much additional fuel in there and doesn't optimize the timing to any reasonable degree. Seriously, there have been a LOT of G8 owners get aggressively angry about their brand new CAI showing ZERO performance improvement both on the dyno and on the dragstrip, to the point where a lot of the speed shop owners have put together discount packages for the CAI and tune and recommend against simple CAI-only upgrades. There simply isn't any performance gain from a CAI with a stock engine tune because the stock tune is so awful. Read my lips - no performance improvement with CAI and stock tune in the pontiac G8. I tell you three times :)
hell......even on an ollllldddd EEC4 system, i gained nearly a half second in the 1/4 mile, and about 2mpg by installing a ford motorsports cold air intake. it wasn't what's passed off as cold air intakes these days though. it was a true cold air intake. it took its air from just under the passengers side ground effects, just under the fog light. todays systems keep everything under the hood, and merely isolate the filter from the engine heat.
Different car, different engine map. Any other car and I'd agree with you. I didn't believe it myself until I saw dyno runs and ET slips from not only the speed shops, but individuals asking what they are doing wrong with their brand new CAI install. The CAI in a G8 is worth a good 5hp once a decent tune is applied and it has even bigger benefits if more engine mods are applied like major exhaust work or a cam, but by itself it does nothing but look and sound cool because the engine fuel/air/ignition map from the factory is so bad to begin with that it can't do anything with the denser air and better airflow.
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My Daughter's camaro has the Flowmaster American Thunder axle back and Vararam ram air cold air induction.
Sounds and runs good for a V6.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/rear.jpg)
Nice tips on the AT Flowmasters too....
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/IMAG0194.jpg)
Vararam with green filter.
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GM left it tuned REALLY rich. As in stupidly rich. All V8 G8s are like this. Its why the tune is such a popular first mod.
The cold air intake is worthless without the tune simply because when the colder denser air hits the MAF, the stock ECM tune just dumps too much additional fuel in there and doesn't optimize the timing to any reasonable degree. Seriously, there have been a LOT of G8 owners get aggressively angry about their brand new CAI showing ZERO performance improvement both on the dyno and on the dragstrip, to the point where a lot of the speed shop owners have put together discount packages for the CAI and tune and recommend against simple CAI-only upgrades. There simply isn't any performance gain from a CAI with a stock engine tune because the stock tune is so awful. Read my lips - no performance improvement with CAI and stock tune in the pontiac G8. I tell you three times :)
Different car, different engine map. Any other car and I'd agree with you. I didn't believe it myself until I saw dyno runs and ET slips from not only the speed shops, but individuals asking what they are doing wrong with their brand new CAI install. The CAI in a G8 is worth a good 5hp once a decent tune is applied and it has even bigger benefits if more engine mods are applied like major exhaust work or a cam, but by itself it does nothing but look and sound cool because the engine fuel/air/ignition map from the factory is so bad to begin with that it can't do anything with the denser air and better airflow.
i could be wrong. it's not like that never happens.........
but then i've worked on plenty of camaros, and firebirds, and nevefr seen tailpipes from an engine running too rich. i mean think about that for a second. an overly rich engine will cook catalytic converters in short order.
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Next time you see a G8, for that matter every time you see a G8, look at the exhaust tips :)
Nobody believes the claims for the HP and MPG boost from a simple tune until they see the dyno numbers and drive the car around enough to see the mileage improvement. The only downside is that GM will void the warranty if they detect the tune. Only certain dealers have the equipment and tech knowledge to detect the tune especially if the tune is returned to stock whenever the car is taken in for service, but it's possible to detect it if the tech is really good, and then the whole powertrain warranty is voided on the spot.
So I'll wait until the warranty expires and then get the tune and a CAI immediately.
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It is imperative to have a mod friendly dealer. They are out there. :)
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Next time you see a G8, for that matter every time you see a G8, look at the exhaust tips :)
Nobody believes the claims for the HP and MPG boost from a simple tune until they see the dyno numbers and drive the car around enough to see the mileage improvement. The only downside is that GM will void the warranty if they detect the tune. Only certain dealers have the equipment and tech knowledge to detect the tune especially if the tune is returned to stock whenever the car is taken in for service, but it's possible to detect it if the tech is really good, and then the whole powertrain warranty is voided on the spot.
So I'll wait until the warranty expires and then get the tune and a CAI immediately.
bolded is a large part of why i'm looking at a few years before doing that to mine. well......that, and i truly do believe ford got this perfect.
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washed her today....unfortunately, my kit from griots(thanks for kicking me in the head to remind me masher!) hasn't come in yet, so i used the automotive wash i have here, with microfiber towel from pepboys.
jeeze!! did she get dirty FAST! thankfully, they did a decent job of waxing(although i could've sworn the salesman told me they don't wax them in new car prep), 'cause the water still beaded nicely. took a bit to dry her, since the towel from pepboys is about the size of a washcloth...the one fron griots looks better. invisible glass on the windows, and a plain old washcloth on the wheels, which again were suprisingly dirty, and she looks like the day i picked her up again.
question for you guys that are more accustomed to this.......how do you keep under the hood so nice? shuff? masher? i gotta worry about that too, as i'm not gonna keep the outside clean, and let the underhood area go to crap.........
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washed her today....unfortunately, my kit from griots(thanks for kicking me in the head to remind me masher!) hasn't come in yet, so i used the automotive wash i have here, with microfiber towel from pepboys.
jeeze!! did she get dirty FAST! thankfully, they did a decent job of waxing(although i could've sworn the salesman told me they don't wax them in new car prep), 'cause the water still beaded nicely. took a bit to dry her, since the towel from pepboys is about the size of a washcloth...the one fron griots looks better. invisible glass on the windows, and a plain old washcloth on the wheels, which again were suprisingly dirty, and she looks like the day i picked her up again.
question for you guys that are more accustomed to this.......how do you keep under the hood so nice? shuff? masher? i gotta worry about that too, as i'm not gonna keep the outside clean, and let the underhood area go to crap.........
When you get your included Griot's Kit, enclosed will be a Catalog. They have Engine Cleaners, etc. :devil
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When you get your included Griot's Kit, enclosed will be a Catalog. They have Engine Cleaners, etc. :devil
they told me that i'd be seeing it in 3 to 6 days, via ups. i figure i'll be seeing it on tues. or wed.
another side note, for anyone that's not dealt with these guys.....the guy on the phone was disgustingly nice. there will be no hesitation whatsoever in dealing with them again, just because of that.....and they have cool stuff for the garage too. :devil
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they told me that i'd be seeing it in 3 to 6 days, via ups. i figure i'll be seeing it on tues. or wed.
another side note, for anyone that's not dealt with these guys.....the guy on the phone was disgustingly nice. there will be no hesitation whatsoever in dealing with them again, just because of that.....and they have cool stuff for the garage too. :devil
Yep. They truly care about their Customers.
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something else that i just noticed this morning....and should have right off the bat. this thing has power virtually anywhere you want it. if i'm tooling along, slowing down for someone to turn, being to dam lazy to shift down outta 5th, all i gotta do is gas her, and i'm back up to speed with no hesitation. none.
i'm used to having to keep an engine in a specific rpm range in order to make them go......don't hafta do that with this one.
finally......i am STILL trying to set the parking brake with my left foot, and i STILL reach for the dash mounted release for it...... :noid :rofl
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I went down to Waco yesterday to pick up my new dog. Averaged about 75 the whole way. She'll jump right out from under you if you hammer down at 75 to get around somebody parked in the passing lane.
Decided to go visit my parents and got on a back road where there is a nice long straight run where I got her up to 100 and she still had plenty of pedal if I wanted but that was enough stupidity on my part for one year.
And yes I called Cap to rub it in :D He got to listen to me gripe about the mobile parking lot coming north out of Waco all the way to Hillsboro. <S> Cap
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here's something else to add. remember i mentioned about that personal service from miller ford? guess who just walked into my shop? chuck, my salesman. he friggin PERSONALLY delivered my tags to me.
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Under hood is easy if you always... and I mean always wipe down under the hood when you wash the car. You can use tire dressing on all rubber "IF" it needs it.
Maybe once every 3 months spray around the perimeter of the underhood area with plain water. No soap needed as it just rinses any dust from tight areas. Then wipe down and run engine to warm up and completely dry. Afterwards check for spots and wipe as needed.
My 98 Z71 looked better underhood than most new cars and trucks.
Detailing is an all over event. Some just wash n wax, clean tires/rims... and they call it detailing.
A new paint job with well laid clear will bead water. It is the wear of dust and other road grome that will stop the beading.
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Under hood is easy if you always... and I mean always wipe down under the hood when you wash the car. You can use tire dressing on all rubber "IF" it needs it.
Maybe once every 3 months spray around the perimeter of the underhood area with plain water. No soap needed as it just rinses any dust from tight areas. Then wipe down and run engine to warm up and completely dry. Afterwards check for spots and wipe as needed.
My 98 Z71 looked better underhood than most new cars and trucks.
Detailing is an all over event. Some just wash n wax, clean tires/rims... and they call it detailing.
A new paint job with well laid clear will bead water. It is the wear of dust and other road grome that will stop the beading.
thanks dood......i want this to stay clean all over, so although yesterday, i only wiped around the perimeter as i dried the car, i'll be keeping the engine looking clean enought o eat off of too.......
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(http://white15.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0074%7E0.jpg)
Now if it hadn't been for that guy in front of me... ummmmmm.... :devil
(http://white15.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0039~0.jpg)
I thought this was a nice effect. PFactor could have rocked this shot
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Keeping in mind I picked it up on 8/19 I ticked over to 6000 miles while in the staging lanes last weekend.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/55f7137d.jpg)
Buddy's Z06 running mid 10s. If you want detailed, his car is immaculate.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/f646741b.jpg)
Had to stop and take a peek at this C3 when I did a double take on the price tag. If I would have seen it in June I probably wouldn't have a Mustang (background) What a great race car project for bracket/index racing. Auto trans, good enough shape to like it but not a show car. Perfect driver for $5000.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/e7d8ac70.jpg)
You'll note Caps car is firmly in absence. :neener:
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Keeping in mind I picked it up on 8/19 I ticked over to 6000 miles while in the staging lanes last weekend.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/55f7137d.jpg)
Buddy's Z06 running mid 10s. If you want detailed, his car is immaculate.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/f646741b.jpg)
Had to stop and take a peek at this C3 when I did a double take on the price tag. If I would have seen it in June I probably wouldn't have a Mustang (background) What a great race car project for bracket/index racing. Auto trans, good enough shape to like it but not a show car. Perfect driver for $5000.
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/e7d8ac70.jpg)
You'll note Caps car is firmly in absence. :neener:
before buynig that body style vette, check the fenders. they tended to crack, due to lack of support.
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thanks dood......i want this to stay clean all over, so although yesterday, i only wiped around the perimeter as i dried the car, i'll be keeping the engine looking clean enought o eat off of too.......
Don't forget to wipe bottom of hood too. :)
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Very nice CAP an others :)
Gman .. are you the same Gman from Air Warrior days?
(remembers tweakin out a 440 tunnel-ram '67 Belvedere one fine summer out of Seymour Johnson AFB and havin a ball street racin an drag racin the locals :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation009.jpg)
yassir .. blastin down the open road :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation276.jpg)
straight on till morning. .. ohh yaa.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation272.jpg)
*that's* a speed limit :)
5 over really eats a lotta hiway fast.
Frank aka GE
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Very nice CAP an others :)
Gman .. are you the same Gman from Air Warrior days?
(remembers tweakin out a 440 tunnel-ram '67 Belvedere one fine summer out of Seymour Johnson AFB and havin a ball street racin an drag racin the locals :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation009.jpg)
yassir .. blastin down the open road :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation276.jpg)
straight on till morning. .. ohh yaa.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/road%20trip%20vacation%202011/vacation272.jpg)
*that's* a speed limit :)
5 over really eats a lotta hiway fast.
Frank aka GE
that top picture is absolute coolness, but in a weird sorta way, it looks like giant anthills too.
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Nice Stang Cap! Good luck with her!
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Nice Stang Cap! Good luck with her!
thaaaank ya sir.
gonna add a few more observations.
the HVAC, and "infotainment" system layouts.
HVAC controls are perfectly placed. if your hand is on or near the shifter, then you're easily within reach of setting the hvac system to however you want it. the dials are perfectly placed such that you can reach/adjust them withot taking your eyes off of the road. the buttons for the heated seats, and for the rear defogger are also placed such that they're usable without removing your eyes from the road.
infotainment(ford calls it that, not me!) controls are the same. they're just above the hvac controls, and switching between sirius, fm, auxilary input, or usb input are simple pushes of the button, again without looking away from the road.
for the radio itself, there's the obligatory preset buttons(10 for am, 20 for fm, and 30 for sirius). there is also the scan button, a button for scanning up or down the stations, and my favorite, the good old fashioned dial, for changing stations. i like this best, once again, due to the fact that you can easily and safely change stations, without looking away from the road. i don't admittedly change them often though.......as my friends like to say.....i'm stuck in the 80's, and that's about where my radio stays mostly.
for making phone calls, the new gt's have what no mustang has ever had, and that is built in blue tooth, with voice commands. simply hit the voice button on the steering wheel, and it mutes the radio, and gives you the choices of what you can do. simply say "phone", who you want to dial(or simply tell it the number you want to dial), and the system dials out for you.
this system works VERY well. it picks me up better than the blue tooth i wear on my ear, and it broadcasts the other persons voice through the cars stereo system. i was on the phone at 50mph, with the drivers window down, and the person i was talking with heard me perfectly.
there's more that i don't know yet, but ford(or my local ford dealer) has that covered. they have "technology" seminars 2 or 3 times a month, teaching everything that the sync system can do. they'd rather do this, than have someone complain about not knowing how to use what their car has. i've not yet attended one, but will be very soon.....and will put more updates concerning that.
now, some more driving impressions.
this car is a beast in disguise as a civil car. everything that was borderline in most other things i've driven, this thing does without batting an eyelash. she takes corners flat, and absolutely no protest. she stops on a dime, and gives me nine cents change. she's even pretty good(about a thousand times better than any other mustang i've ever driven) on wet roads, stopping, starting, and turning.
i kinda slipped up, and lost control of myself tonight, waiting for a break in traffic. got a small break, and took it. before i knew it, she was at 6500rpm, i yanked 2nd, and next thing i knew, there she was at 6500rpm again. i lifted, and got her into 3rd, and let her slow down. that was only about 3/4 throttle. at 6500rpm, she was still pulling strong. i've no doubt that she'll easily pull to her 7,000rpm redline under full throttle, and not bat an eyelash.
the biggest thing i'm learning with my mustang, is that i am not capable of nearly what i like to think i am. i will be looking into driving schools in the spring time(i'll bet rtholmes is sitting laughing at me about this one :D ). this is a car, that can easily get an unsuspecting driver into serious trouble, as it makes everything easy.
having owned some form of mustang all my driving life(i've been driving since 1979, and my first cars were 67 and 68 mustangs), having built, and driven daily a 12 second fox body mustang, having built 10 and 11 second mustangs for other people, having modified suspensions on both fox and sn95 chassis mustangs for better handling, and of course having dealt with all of the above in bone stock condition, i have to echo what most reviewers say.
this is the absolute best most complete mustang ford has ever produced.
Golly-gee I LOVE MY CAR. :aok
golfer.......since you're in this area a lot, i'll keep you up to speed on what i find out about driving schools, as i suspect you'll probably have some fun learning to drive your beast better too. :aok
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Aside from the cupholders the ergonomics are great for both drivability and livability. When I get the information on a couple track rentals (Pocono Raceway) I'll send it along as well.
I'm on the fence about driving my car down to Palm Beach for the winter. We are there 3-4 trips a month averaging 12-15 days. I can keep it at the FBO and could use the excuse to go up to PBIR for some passes or laps. That's a long time to be on I95. Ugh.
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Aside from the cupholders the ergonomics are great for both drivability and livability. When I get the information on a couple track rentals (Pocono Raceway) I'll send it along as well.
I'm on the fence about driving my car down to Palm Beach for the winter. We are there 3-4 trips a month averaging 12-15 days. I can keep it at the FBO and could use the excuse to go up to PBIR for some passes or laps. That's a long time to be on I95. Ugh.
dam dood!! it's a long trip on I95, but hell!! you get to run top down all year!!!
i keep forgetting about the cup holders. whomever decided to place them there should be slapped in the back of the head. many times. i tend to view them as simply another storage bin myself though.
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Cupholders are generally a second thought in all vehicles. So it is a hit and miss.
BTW your welcome. Mustang had to vastly improve to keep pace. :)
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My family used to have dinner with Seymour Johnson.
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Cupholders are generally a second thought in all vehicles. So it is a hit and miss.
BTW your welcome. Mustang had to vastly improve to keep pace. :)
TO schmucks like me, that's a double edged sword. on one hand, i liked the way mustangs used to be, 'cause they were simple, and VERY easy to work on. parts were never expensive for them. for me to build my 89 into the 12's was relatively cheap, and she was still a daily driver. but she had the typical mustang problems, such as poor handlnig in bad weather, etc. for these mustangs parts are expensive. even just changing the cam is now not an easy job, nor is it cheap, as it used to be. partly due to the fact that there's 4 of them. but there really isn't a need.
on the other hand, i like the improvements, due to the fact that this car is just as nice inside as the lincoln navigator i was working on yesterday, when i drove her on wet roads the other day, she was massively impressive, and to be honest there's no real need to make her any faster.
thanks, and did you see this link as yet?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2013-ford-shelby-gt500
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/NewsCenter/NewsCenterDetails.aspx?mmysid=4138
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was just talking to one of the service managers down at the local ford dealer. he's been running his personal mustang, and the dealers mustang in NMRA.
with only minor tuning, and nothing else, he went 11.9's on street tires. went 11.5's on drag radials. went 12.53 out of the box. he did advise me that if i am serious about tracking mine at milleville, i'll be wanting to modify the suspension. he's done 5 for his customers so far. i think him and i are gonna become close friends. i think i'm gonna see how she handles though, before i mess with the suspension.
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thanks, and did you see this link as yet?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2013-ford-shelby-gt500
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/NewsCenter/NewsCenterDetails.aspx?mmysid=4138
Yup they are trying to matchup something to the ZL1. That one wont make it. :)
The horsepower war is about done. We are to the point of making all that power hit the ground and control it.
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Yup they are trying to matchup something to the ZL1. That one wont make it. :)
The horsepower war is about done. We are to the point of making all that power hit the ground and control it.
that one will more than make it, as the camaro's heavier, and lower power........and the zl1 is gonna have trouble with the current gt500. :devil
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Nice ride cap :aok but please don't be one of those guys who takes a new car to the local cruise in :devil
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/natorino/cobrajet.jpg)
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Nice ride cap :aok but please don't be one of those guys who takes a new car to the local cruise in :devil
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/natorino/cobrajet.jpg)
nah......cruises are for classic cars, not cars with classic heritage. if i still have her in 25 years, then i'll take her to cruises.........
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Good man.. I hate when i take my torino to a cruise night and some yuppy parks his brand new vette or honda that runs 19's with a fart can out the back next to me
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Ahem: My 2010 goes to cruises and won a few trophies. They have classes ya know.
Do I need to identify them for you?
Mine won 2 best of class.........pitted against 2006 and newer muscle cars......including Mustangs and Camaros.
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Good man.. I hate when i take my torino to a cruise night and some yuppy parks his brand new vette or honda that runs 19's with a fart can out the back next to me
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/natorino/cobrajet.jpg)
i would consider parking my gt next to ya just to piss ya off..... :devil fart canned hondas? :rofl :rofl wait'll they ain't lookin, and stick a potato in that fartcan. :devil :bolt:
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Ahem: My 2010 goes to cruises and won a few trophies. They have classes ya know.
Do I need to identify them for you?
Mine won 2 best of class.........pitted against 2006 and newer muscle cars......including Mustangs and Camaros.
uumm.....it HAS to beat the mustangs and camaros in a show, 'cause it sure as heck can't do it in the turns.... :bolt: :noid :neener:
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that one will more than make it, as the camaro's heavier, and lower power........and the zl1 is gonna have trouble with the current gt500. :devil
You evidently have not been reading on the ZL1.
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Nice ride cap :aok but please don't be one of those guys who takes a new car to the local cruise in :devil
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/natorino/cobrajet.jpg)
You must not be a car buff. Go to a cruise in as you call them and look. :)
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Nice ride cap :aok but please don't be one of those guys who takes a new car to the local cruise in :devil
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd313/natorino/cobrajet.jpg)
Uhh, what rule exactly is it that says new cars don't get to go to cruise ins?
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Uhh, what rule exactly is it that says new cars don't get to go to cruise ins?
there's no rule......but i prefer to see the old stuff i won't drive anymore when i go to a cruise in......a show on the other hand.........ima gonna be in a few of them.,,,,,
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You evidently have not been reading on the ZL1.
i am now. a 12.5? really? all that car for a mere 12.5? the plain old gt runs that. 0-60 in 4 seconds? a well driven gt will do that too, and a poorly driven boss302 will equal it. the exhaust system flapper thing? i think the boss302's have had that for a bit now.
in all seriousness, i'd like to see some reviews...i was taking the above from car and driver........and from what they're saying there, the only thing the zl1 can do better, is stop. probably partially due to the fact that it's slower.....and largely due to better brakes. and at $47k, it's starting off in boss302 price range.......
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Yassir .. I hate when some Queen Mary size Torino parks next to my Vette at a cruise.
Takes 2 days to walk around it to get to my Vette and I have to keep tellin the owners:
'No, this isn't a wheel chock ..it is designed to 'corner' ..you know, that thing that happens a few minutes after you turn your steering wheel? .. well .. this does it a bit faster.'
'No, it doesn't have a back seat, it's a bit more performance oriented than a family sedan with stripes painted on it.'
I understand the bias against parkin next to a new ZR-1 Vette.
No one would even realize your Torino was there.
-Frank aka GE (just sayin -tm Pasha)
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Yassir .. I hate when some Queen Mary size Torino parks next to my Vette at a cruise.
Takes 2 days to walk around it to get to my Vette and I have to keep tellin the owners:
'No, this isn't a wheel chock ..it is designed to 'corner' ..you know, that thing that happens a few minutes after you turn your steering wheel? .. well .. this does it a bit faster.'
'No, it doesn't have a back seat, it's a bit more performance oriented than a family sedan with stripes painted on it.'
I understand the bias against parkin next to a new ZR-1 Vette.
No one would even realize your Torino was there.
-Frank aka GE (just sayin -tm Pasha)
ya gotta admit....gran torinos were hot cars......i liked them a lot. would never own one, but i like em none the less.
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adding a few more pictures i think.....photo sucks lately, so i made a flikr account, and uploaded to there. lets see how it works......
these are just after a good wash and dry......and once again.....THANK YOU masherbrum. i gotta say, griots garage stuff is the BEST i've used. i should also add, that their people are an absolute pleasure to deal with. they don't treat us like a customer, but rather a friend. when i feel a little bored, i'm probably gonna do a thread on their stuff, as i think it deserves it. BTW...i ordered their orbital, 'cause i'm gonna try to bring the paint back up on my dakota.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6220/6372589943_f75a0893f0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372589943/)
PB200143A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372589943/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6232/6372587673_287848545b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372587673/)
PB200142A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372587673/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
this is why i like the instrument cluster......it resembles the 60's mustangs, and everything is easily visible at a glance.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6039/6372585289_e39e3b852f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372585289/)
PB200141 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372585289/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
this interior is VERY well thought out. from this angle, you can see what i was talking about before, about how easily the radio and hvac controls are reached.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6036/6372576477_e97396b0bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372576477/)
PB200140 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372576477/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
the heart of a modern day 12 second beast.....
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6215/6372580979_f57bc2610c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372580979/)
PB200139 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372580979/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6106/6372571599_e102e1310b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372571599/)
PB200138 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372571599/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6052/6372553261_773739ce9f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372553261/)
PB200137A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/6372553261/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
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I knew you wouldn't be disappointed with their products. She is gorgeous.
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I knew you wouldn't be disappointed with their products. She is gorgeous.
and i aim to keep her that way.
the amazing thing is that i only washed/dried her today. i haven't even hit her with the paint clay, or wax yet.
another fast question...........what do you use on the glass,,,,,,i know you use invisible glass, but i mean what to apply/clean? it was suggested to me to use blue disposable shop towels, and so far they're working well.
while i'm on the subject of glass......in my other cars, i use rainx washer fluid.....can or will that damage paint?
concerning wheels.......how do you get the inner sections? right now, i'm reaching through the spokes, and wiping em down........
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she's sweet Cap... and yes Mash.. I'm watching for your response :)
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and i aim to keep her that way.
the amazing thing is that i only washed/dried her today. i haven't even hit her with the paint clay, or wax yet.
another fast question...........what do you use on the glass,,,,,,i know you use invisible glass, but i mean what to apply/clean? it was suggested to me to use blue disposable shop towels, and so far they're working well.
while i'm on the subject of glass......in my other cars, i use rainx washer fluid.....can or will that damage paint?
concerning wheels.......how do you get the inner sections? right now, i'm reaching through the spokes, and wiping em down........
1. Glass - Blue Shop towels and Invisible Glass. I know Griot's makes a Clay Bar for Glass, but I do not have a need for it. I came about the Blue Shop Towels (paper towelish ones on a roll) by accident. I ran out of cloths and said: "Well it'll leave lint, but we'll try it (as it was all I had around at the time)." As CAP has found, they do not break down like a Paper Towel will and they do not leave lint. I spray all windows on a side and will use one towel per (just flip it from front to rear window).
2. Wheels - I will spray the Wheel Cleaner and let it set (one wheel at a time) for about a minute. I use the sponge that comes with the kit. I get the flat surfaces with a brush and ignore where the calipers are. Hit every wheel and then throw it in neutral and back up about 3 ft (you will see where you missed) and hit the remaining patches. Their Red Rubber cleaner is another product I have and will mix this with the wheels. But that is what I do.
Some will go to the extreme of putting a Spray-On Sealant on their Aluminum Wheels and to me, it shows laziness. Also, it will "bake" eventually and if they're Cleared or Painted, you're heating it up.
There is a neighbor down the street that is always walking his little Dachshund and will always stop and watermelon chat with me as I'm detailing. He's asked if I did it for a living. I guess I would if I could.
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1. Glass - Blue Shop towels and Invisible Glass. I know Griot's makes a Clay Bar for Glass, but I do not have a need for it. I came about the Blue Shop Towels (paper towelish ones on a roll) by accident. I ran out of cloths and said: "Well it'll leave lint, but we'll try it (as it was all I had around at the time)." As CAP has found, they do not break down like a Paper Towel will and they do not leave lint. I spray all windows on a side and will use one towel per (just flip it from front to rear window).
2. Wheels - I will spray the Wheel Cleaner and let it set (one wheel at a time) for about a minute. I use the sponge that comes with the kit. I get the flat surfaces with a brush and ignore where the calipers are. Hit every wheel and then throw it in neutral and back up about 3 ft (you will see where you missed) and hit the remaining patches. Their Red Rubber cleaner is another product I have and will mix this with the wheels. But that is what I do.
Some will go to the extreme of putting a Spray-On Sealant on their Aluminum Wheels and to me, it shows laziness. Also, it will "bake" eventually and if they're Cleared or Painted, you're heating it up.
There is a neighbor down the street that is always walking his little Dachshund and will always stop and watermelonchat with me as I'm detailing. He's asked if I did it for a living. I guess I would if I could.
cool....so i'm using the right stuff for the glass.
there was no sponge in the beginners kit, although there will be a wax application foam pad with the stuff coming this week. i'll stop at the local pepboys for a soft brush and a couple sponges for the wheels.
i was wondering about things to coat/protect/seal the wheels, and now i know. i'll just keep on cleaning them.....it's gonna be tough though. they get pretty dirty in just a week.....but i've pretty much designated sundays as my car wash day.
my mom's up here for a couple more weeks.....she was heading out, as i started hosing the car down, and she goes "didn't you just wash it last week?". i said i did, and that i'd be doing it again next week too. she thinks i'm overkilling. i think overkill is just about right.
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and i aim to keep her that way.
the amazing thing is that i only washed/dried her today. i haven't even hit her with the paint clay, or wax yet.
another fast question...........what do you use on the glass,,,,,,i know you use invisible glass, but i mean what to apply/clean? it was suggested to me to use blue disposable shop towels, and so far they're working well.
while i'm on the subject of glass......in my other cars, i use rainx washer fluid.....can or will that damage paint?
concerning wheels.......how do you get the inner sections? right now, i'm reaching through the spokes, and wiping em down........
Even newspaper works great for streak free. I usually use a lint free cloth you can buy in bundles at the parts store.
Rainx is safe but I don't use it.
Inside wheels I do before every show or once a month. Best way is to put it up on your lift. :)
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Even newspaper works great for streak free. I usually use a lint free cloth you can buy in bundles at the parts store.
Rainx is safe but I don't use it.
Inside wheels I do before every show or once a month. Best way is to put it up on your lift. :)
i normally use newspaper, as that's what an old greek guy taught me when i used to work in restuarants. figured if it works on building glass, it'd work on cars...and it does. i stopped when i read something about the possibility of the ink in the paper managing to bleed off onto the car.
i meant the rainx washer fluid......i keep the orange rainx in my dakota and jeep.
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i normally use newspaper, as that's what an old greek guy taught me when i used to work in restuarants. figured if it works on building glass, it'd work on cars...and it does. i stopped when i read something about the possibility of the ink in the paper managing to bleed off onto the car.
i meant the rainx washer fluid......i keep the orange rainx in my dakota and jeep.
The ink is food grade and will not hurt your paint or glass.
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Fixing one of these.
Apparently Hennessey decided that the stock LSA bottom end was ok at 700hp with cast pistons.
It's not.
We've been pretty busy delivering on the horsepower that other tuners promise........but don't deliver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFighlajFk
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gonna kinda hijack my own thread....sorta......
golfer......how's your mustang holding up? how's she dealing with the racing, and in particular, how's the fitment of the roof holding up?
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Zero problems.
Because I'm racing I will be installing a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft and safety loop. They're both at home waiting for me to get the car in the air which I'll do when I'm back from vacation sometime after 12/4. On the road now and have been for a week, wrapping up today.
For some reason instead of using a solid driveshaft like the GTs Ford used a two piece that's not really a two piece. There isn't a third universal joint but it's two pieces mated together which isn't as strong as it could be. In fact a few of them have exploded at 118mph or so on Dynos and a buddy's broke while he was on a road trip in VT. Ford replaced it under warranty but I'm being proactive for my own sake and putting a Shaftmasters in because I'm racing. Safety first.
Drop top fits fine. I'm crossing the stripe at 100mph and no weird noises or buzzes. In fact the whole car doesn't have any rattles from various pieces not fitting together which I'm very happy with.
The only thing I'm not happy with is my 60' time. I'd like to get it to 2.0x and my best so far is 2.26. Still playing with how to launch but I'm not home enough to get to the track that often.
Sometime in the spring I'll get another set of wheels and a set of brembo or v6 perf package take off tires for track days up at Pocono Raceway. I'm excited to get on a road course and I'm lining up 3-4 club days this year as they don't require roll bars in convertibles. Fresh tires, brakes and rotors are required to get through tech and I'm already excited about that.
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Zero problems.
Because I'm racing I will be installing a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft and safety loop. They're both at home waiting for me to get the car in the air which I'll do when I'm back from vacation sometime after 12/4. On the road now and have been for a week, wrapping up today.
For some reason instead of using a solid driveshaft like the GTs Ford used a two piece that's not really a two piece. There isn't a third universal joint but it's two pieces mated together which isn't as strong as it could be. In fact a few of them have exploded at 118mph or so on Dynos and a buddy's broke while he was on a road trip in VT. Ford replaced it under warranty but I'm being proactive for my own sake and putting a Shaftmasters in because I'm racing. Safety first.
Drop top fits fine. I'm crossing the stripe at 100mph and no weird noises or buzzes. In fact the whole car doesn't have any rattles from various pieces not fitting together which I'm very happy with.
The only thing I'm not happy with is my 60' time. I'd like to get it to 2.0x and my best so far is 2.26. Still playing with how to launch but I'm not home enough to get to the track that often.
Sometime in the spring I'll get another set of wheels and a set of brembo or v6 perf package take off tires for track days up at Pocono Raceway. I'm excited to get on a road course and I'm lining up 3-4 club days this year as they don't require roll bars in convertibles. Fresh tires, brakes and rotors are required to get through tech and I'm already excited about that.
the two piece driveshaft was something i meant to include in my questions. i was curious about that. i don't really see a reason for it either, although i do believe that the camaro is also using a two piece. i'll be keeping that in mind, as i don't feel like sitting on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck as i go find the various pieces of my driveshaft, nor do i feel like losing a race due to one breaking.
60' times may be a bit hard, as you've got a 2.78? rear? if it helps any, when i used to run my 83 bone stock(it was WAY slower than yours) the best launch i came up with, was to basically sidestep the clutch at about 2700rpm, but no immediate throttle. i let it bog on the line, then once she was rolling, i was able to hammer it. any higher rpm, cooked the tires, and throttle at that rpm cooked the tires, and any lower launch, she just didn't get moving. that car had a 3.23(was the highest ford offered in those).
i'm glad to hear abuot the fitment. the main reason i had asked, is due to fords past history with mustang convertibles. i may have mentioned it before. i believe that the s197 chassis is the first mustang convertible to be built entirely by ford. previously, they'd build the car as a coupe, ship it out, the company that did them would hack the roof off, add supports, put the convertible in, and then ship the soon to be leaking/rattling/poorly fitting convertible. i had read good about these, and now i know from someone i know and trust that they really did improve them.
i had talked with a service manager at ford down the street.....according to him, the wheels on my car are the only ones besides the shelby or boss302 wheels(from ford) that'll clear the brembo calipers, so be careful when you upgrade them. i'm not sure though, as although he generally sounded like he knew his stuff, i thought i caught a bit of that tone that bs'ers get.
like you, with the way these things handle, i can't friggin WAIT till spring and the possibility of some track days. i'll be trying for milleville frst, as it's closer. also, know what i found out dood? the SCCA runs autocrosses down at the old bader field. :devil
it's ashame dicho doesn't live closer.....the three of us, we could probably talk mypsie into joining us too.....could almost have our own little AH road racing group. :aok
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Not sure about the driveshaft on the camaro being 2 pc. I'll have to check. I know of none exploding on the track or anywhere else.
As for clearing brembos there should be many after market rims that will work. There are many for the camaro and all SS camaros have brembos.
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Convertibles have come such an amazingly long way in the last decade that they ride like a coupe.
If you've ever driven convertible muscle cars from the 60s and 70s, VW golf convertibles, toyota celica convertibles.....etc, you will realize just how far they have come.
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I'm not changing the brakes. Just putting the tires and/or wheels on. Brembo and V6 perf package cars come with P Zero performance tires. Mine has P Zero Nero all seasons. I want the rubber not the brakes for my application.
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I'm not changing the brakes. Just putting the tires and/or wheels on. Brembo and V6 perf package cars come with P Zero performance tires. Mine has P Zero Nero all seasons. I want the rubber not the brakes for my application.
P Zeros are not good at the track. P Zeros will burn away.
Most of the camaro folks are running Z06 18s with MT Track radials.
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it's ashame dicho doesn't live closer.....the three of us, we could probably talk mypsie into joining us too.....could almost have our own little AH road racing group. :aok
Indeed :cheers:
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I'm not changing the brakes. Just putting the tires and/or wheels on. Brembo and V6 perf package cars come with P Zero performance tires. Mine has P Zero Nero all seasons. I want the rubber not the brakes for my application.
aahh...gotcha. i misunderstood.
check ebay...there's a couple people selling the wheels like mine, with tires and tpms sensors. there's one in florida selling the set for 1200, but i'd be careful of him. he put them on awhile ago, with no reserve....when it became obvious that he wasn't gonna get too much, suddenly the shipping was listed as being $1399.00. the winner of that auction was someoen with zero feedbacks, and now those same wheels/tires are being listed again by the same guy.....kinda shady. there's others though, and a couple of them are decent deals i think.
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P Zeros are not good at the track. P Zeros will burn away.
Most of the camaro folks are running Z06 18s with MT Track radials.
how do those same cars handle "as driven" though. i'll be running mine as driven, not on special tires.....
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I'm not changing the brakes. Just putting the tires and/or wheels on. Brembo and V6 perf package cars come with P Zero performance tires. Mine has P Zero Nero all seasons. I want the rubber not the brakes for my application.
Golfer.....when you decide to purchase new wheels ask about the clearance needed for the calipers.
I purchased mine at speedlogix.com. Very good price (american racing wheels). They are very helpful and answered my
offset question stating I'd have no problem clearing the calipers. I'd be leary of purchasing anything used etc. of EBay
etc. They're looking to sell quick with no guarantee they'll take them back if they don't clear the calipers.
Just a thought. Also check about TPMs (used the ones I had) and lug nuts.
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how do those same cars handle "as driven" though. i'll be running mine as driven, not on special tires.....
They are working to get the best time possible so they run those on the weekends and switch back during the week. Some leave them on for awhile whenever they change them.
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Went out to Atco today for T&T. 20 passes over my 4-1/2 hours in attendance. New PB of 14.17@99.41. Next fastest was 14.18@100.60.
Trapped 100+mph on 4 passes.
Somewhere within this car in stock configuration lives a 13 second pass but I can't seem to find it. All in all not too bad for the slowest possible Mustang you can get new from the factory. (Heavy convertible body, v6, 2.73 gears, street tires and my rookie driving skillz)
So few cars were out it was basically a rental with a $20 buy in. $1/pass for today :)
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which means that it flat out embarrasses those old 455's
Ford and Chevy...just different flavors of awesome
a old 455 you can work on with out a phd in computers. thats why cars that run low 10 to high 9's use old modifed 455s
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a old 455 you can work on with out a phd in computers. thats why cars that run low 10 to high 9's use old modifed 455s
you mean that the mopars were modified 455's? or the ford cammers? or the big block chevys?
my camaro did 9.96 at 131 on a truck 454. but then you and i are both going away from stock now. stock to stock.......my quoted statement stands. :aok
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Went out to Atco today for T&T. 20 passes over my 4-1/2 hours in attendance. New PB of 14.17@99.41. Next fastest was 14.18@100.60.
Trapped 100+mph on 4 passes.
Somewhere within this car in stock configuration lives a 13 second pass but I can't seem to find it. All in all not too bad for the slowest possible Mustang you can get new from the factory. (Heavy convertible body, v6, 2.73 gears, street tires and my rookie driving skillz)
So few cars were out it was basically a rental with a $20 buy in. $1/pass for today :)
dood!!!! congrats on those passes!!!! that's pretty darned good for a 3800 pound 6 banger!! in fact, you're now officially quicker in the 1/4 than about 95% of the hot rods of yesteryear. and you're getting better reliability, driveability, and mileage too. :aok
there is absolutely a 13.9 in that car somewhere. you're guaranteed 13's with a pair of drag radials.
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(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/558811d3.jpg)
I think I'm going to order a print of this for my workshop.
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(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/558811d3.jpg)
I think I'm going to order a print of this for my workshop.
is it me, or can you actually see that rear tire wrinkling a little?
that's a great pic dood......... :aok
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beautiful Golfer
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is it me, or can you actually see that rear tire wrinkling a little?
that's a great pic dood......... :aok
It is you lol. The short stiff sidewalls on the latest street tires will not wrinkle. :)
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It is you lol. The short stiff sidewalls on the latest street tires will not wrinkle. :)
i believe his car only has 18 inch wheels.......not a very shallow side wall.......but you're still probably right though.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/89GTA.jpg)
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It's a little wrinkle. They're 235/50/18s and I was down to 20psi for those passes. Pissed off the TPMS but it helped on the launch. Any lower and I'd think they'd start cupping.
Not like I'm running drag radials at 17 psi.
Come spring I'll make a few passes with my coworkers drag pack in the name of science. I bet with skinnies, drag radials and good air I'd be dangerously close to 13.50. I could be there with an intake and a tune alone but damn I want to hit 13s stock. I guess my only chance will be some nice weather in February or March before I swap out the driveshaft for the road course.
Though the track will be open this weekend too...hmm...
Cap when are you getting your slacker butt off the chair and into the seat?
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It's a little wrinkle. They're 235/50/18s and I was down to 20psi for those passes. Pissed off the TPMS but it helped on the launch. Any lower and I'd think they'd start cupping.
Not like I'm running drag radials at 17 psi.
Come spring I'll make a few passes with my coworkers drag pack in the name of science. I bet with skinnies, drag radials and good air I'd be dangerously close to 13.50. I could be there with an intake and a tune alone but damn I want to hit 13s stock. I guess my only chance will be some nice weather in February or March before I swap out the driveshaft for the road course.
Though the track will be open this weekend too...hmm...
Cap when are you getting your slacker butt off the chair and into the seat?
soooooon. i've "accidentally" let her up to 6500rpm, and she was still pulling. i'm gonna have trouble with these tires though, as the way she sits, if i get anywhere near half throttle in 1st or 2nd, she starts to break em loose. each time that's happened so far, i've backed off before the traction control's had a chance to do anything.
i'm itching for a lap or ten at milleville though..........by then, i'll have the boss302 lower fascia installed, and brake cooling ducts to the rotors installed.
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soooooon. i've "accidentally" let her up to 6500rpm, and she was still pulling. i'm gonna have trouble with these tires though, as the way she sits, if i get anywhere near half throttle in 1st or 2nd, she starts to break em loose. each time that's happened so far, i've backed off before the traction control's had a chance to do anything.
I've been super disappointed with my G8's OEM goodyear RS-As... They're fairly expensive all-season tires, but they are absolutely horrible when the street is even slightly damp, and the one time I tried to drive it in the snow I got stuck at the end of my driveway. My firebird did just fine on that tire model, but maybe they changed it in the last 10 years because my G8 is all over the place with the OEM tires and when it's wet the tires slip from almost every stop unless I let it idle forward a bit before gently nudging the gas pedal.
My point is that if you're on OEM tires, you might not be really happy until you buy yer baby some new shoes.
I did really like my F1-GS-D3 goodyears on my firebird... http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/goodyear-eagle-f1-gs-d3-page-12 (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/goodyear-eagle-f1-gs-d3-page-12)
But they may be discontinued, which sucks because I was considering a set for my G8. I'm torn between an aggressive summer/rain tire and a really good set of all-season tires. The F1 GS D3 tires were actually WORSE than my race tires when there was even a hint of snow/ice. Downright dangerous in fact. But on dry or wet pavement, even with standing water, they were awesome.
Edit - on further review, I think I will probably put these on the G8, Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE970AS+Pole+Position&partnum=445WR8RE970PPXL&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2009&autoModel=G8 GT&autoModClar=&tab=Reviews (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE970AS+Pole+Position&partnum=445WR8RE970PPXL&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2009&autoModel=G8 GT&autoModClar=&tab=Reviews)
Sorry for the long link...
The Goodyear F1 GS D3s aren't made in the right size for my car, and I put the previous model RE960AS on my wife's car and they handle great, with the slight exception of very minor but noticeable flat-spotting when parked for a few days in cold weather. Pontiac only put 245 series tires on the G8 and although a lot of folks are swapping in cadillac CTS-V tires (with custom hub emblems) to get a wider footprint, I'm not going to spend that kind of money on my car right now.
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It is you lol. The short stiff sidewalls on the latest street tires will not wrinkle. :)
That is a little wrinkle.
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i believe his car only has 18 inch wheels.......not a very shallow side wall.......but you're still probably right though.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/89GTA.jpg)
Those are much taller sidewall with maybe 15 psi. Possibly drag radials.
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I've been super disappointed with my G8's OEM goodyear RS-As... They're fairly expensive all-season tires, but they are absolutely horrible when the street is even slightly damp, and the one time I tried to drive it in the snow I got stuck at the end of my driveway. My firebird did just fine on that tire model, but maybe they changed it in the last 10 years because my G8 is all over the place with the OEM tires and when it's wet the tires slip from almost every stop unless I let it idle forward a bit before gently nudging the gas pedal.
My point is that if you're on OEM tires, you might not be really happy until you buy yer baby some new shoes.
I did really like my F1-GS-D3 goodyears on my firebird... http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/goodyear-eagle-f1-gs-d3-page-12 (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/goodyear-eagle-f1-gs-d3-page-12)
But they may be discontinued, which sucks because I was considering a set for my G8. I'm torn between an aggressive summer/rain tire and a really good set of all-season tires. The F1 GS D3 tires were actually WORSE than my race tires when there was even a hint of snow/ice. Downright dangerous in fact. But on dry or wet pavement, even with standing water, they were awesome.
Edit - on further review, I think I will probably put these on the G8, Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE970AS+Pole+Position&partnum=445WR8RE970PPXL&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2009&autoModel=G8 GT&autoModClar=&tab=Reviews (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE970AS+Pole+Position&partnum=445WR8RE970PPXL&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2009&autoModel=G8 GT&autoModClar=&tab=Reviews)
Sorry for the long link...
The Goodyear F1 GS D3s aren't made in the right size for my car, and I put the previous model RE960AS on my wife's car and they handle great, with the slight exception of very minor but noticeable flat-spotting when parked for a few days in cold weather. Pontiac only put 245 series tires on the G8 and although a lot of folks are swapping in cadillac CTS-V tires (with custom hub emblems) to get a wider footprint, I'm not going to spend that kind of money on my car right now.
THAT'S a pretty good bit of info. thanks!! i've been considering finding something else to drag on, soley due to the fact that the p-zeros on my car are in the ballpark of $350 or so a pop.
with the excpetion of the eagle gt plus4, i've never cared for any goodyear tires./
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Those are much taller sidewall with maybe 15 psi. Possibly drag radials.
the pic i put up? those are bfgoodrich drag radials. i drove on them nearly all the time, unless i felt like carving some corners......they were around 18psi on that run. i lowered them after it, as if you look, you'll note the wheelspin. :devil
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wrinkle?
Well .. first ya gotta get em HOT:
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/dustrb.jpg)
..so they stick.
Then ya gotta launch at optimal rpm so the car will use all available traction without spinning:
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/smlaunchduster1.jpg)
Those were 29" dia x 12" wide wrinkle walls ..worked excellent at 10 lbs pressure with my 'bracket race' setup: 3.91's in the back, 10" converter, 6-pac 440 using the 6-pac intake.
When I switched to tunnel ram, 4.89's, and 8" converter I had to go up to 31" x 13" slicks to hook it. Started yankin the front wheels a bit if the track an air was good.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/duster.jpg)
Dropped from mid 12's to mid 11's at LACR (3500' alt) ..ran 10.27 at Pomona (sea level and much better air) ..long ago.
-Frank