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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rob52240 on November 14, 2011, 01:05:35 PM
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Ok, first off I'm not too keen on having the PBY but it was a really cool plane.
I haven't given this a ton of thought but I was thinking that a PBY could mark enemy task groups on the map. Not a tag that would move with the carrier but a temporary Carrier spotted here dot or icon on the map.
A lamer secondary use could be to resupply PT boats.
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Or, y'know... You could hypothetically launch a 'fighter' which flies 3 or 4 times as fast as a PBY, and call the task group out on country channel. This has the added bonus that if you find an enemy plane, you could fight with him on the way to finding the task group.
Wiley.
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There is nothing within the realm of Aces High that the PBY could do to benefit game play, realism, etc. It is slower than a seven year itch, armed not for a fight, and it cant see any further than anything else. Oh, whats that? It can carry torps? So can the Ju88, B5N, TBM, and Ki-67.
The only thing HTC could possibly do with it is to resupply CV's, but I doubt the will go that route.
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Ok, first off I'm not too keen on having the PBY but it was a really cool plane.
I haven't given this a ton of thought but I was thinking that a PBY could mark enemy task groups on the map. Not a tag that would move with the carrier but a temporary Carrier spotted here dot or icon on the map.
A lamer secondary use could be to resupply PT boats.
Not a new idea, but I've always liked it. A small indicator map with an arrow pointing the direction of travel that stays on the map for 5-10 minutes. Beats trying to find that information on a sometimes scattered and frantic country channel.
I like the re-sup CV idea as well.
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What is it about the PBY that makes so many of us like it so much?
I'd love to own one and turn it into an RV? I can't really come up with anything else.
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My wife's grandfather flew these in the pacific. They were
considered trucks of the air for some and angels of mercy to others.
Enemy sub drivers were not so happy to see them if they did see them at all.
Not all pby's were outfit like in call of duty. Alot of them though were called upon
to do scouting. The plane would need something to kill, scout, or rescue to be completely
used as it was. It would need to be allowed to supply things as well. There's more to adding this plane
than slapping a black cat cod sticker on it to get it added to the game.
I'm all for it and would love to take a trip to the museum down in Virginia beach
to get some skinning shots for our artists if its needed.
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+1
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H8K Emily. :noid
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/flying-boat/kawanishi-h8k-emily-flying-boat/kawanishi-h8k2-emily-flying-boat-02.png)
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Well, the PBY can carry two American torps. Might I remind you, that's the two big 2000 lb torps we have... you get 6 or 8 PBYs, you can completely wreck a TG.
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Sure and ask the pbys will return home undamaged.
Semp
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Resupplying Island Ports as are in many maps would be a great use for a flying boat. I'm for it.
...and for the record, I hate this, "I won't fly it so no one else will either" arguement that keeps popping up on these threads.
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It is funny how some people will argue for a fighter based on it's historical significance, even if it won't perform real well in the MA. They say it fills a gap in the planeset. However, when a historically significant cargo aircraft comes along, it's a waste of resources.
I'm not saying the PBY is high priority, there are some gameplay dynamics that need to change before it would have a good role. I'm just pointing out the ego-centrism of our ideas.
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It is funny how some people will argue for a fighter based on it's historical significance, even if it won't perform real well in the MA. They say it fills a gap in the planeset. However, when a historically significant cargo aircraft comes along, it's a waste of resources.
Because it does not fill a gap in AH due to the nature of AH gameplay. This is true of the MA, where neither the PBY-5 or Ki-43 fill a gap, and for events where the PBY-5 does not fill a gap but the Ki-43 does.
If AH had all the roles that existed historically as useful roles in the game, then the PBY-5 would be a gap filler.
At the very least, should HTC choose to experiment with the flying boat's roles, they ought to add either the H8K2 'Emily' or Sunderland first, flying boats that have some potential outside of the PBY-5's limitations.
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Resupplying Island Ports as are in many maps would be a great use for a flying boat. I'm for it.
...and for the record, I hate this, "I won't fly it so no one else will either" arguement that keeps popping up on these threads.
lol those arguments are true. see the last planes that have been added that "everybody" wanted and very few people fly. if you really want the pby then start upping current planes that we have that are similar and try to fill the roll that you want. once you get the usage up come here and post on your experiences.
semp
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lol those arguments are true. see the last planes that have been added that "everybody" wanted and very few people fly. if you really want the pby then start upping current planes that we have that are similar and try to fill the roll that you want. once you get the usage up come here and post on your experiences.
semp
I think I give almost every plane in here a twirl now and then; rarely the spit or pony series, but other than that... I enjoy flying what there is to be offered here, and would love a new addition. I would also like a JU52 added. Why should we be tied down and forced to fly C47s?
If your arguement is because another plane already fills that roll, then I guess HTC should just stop developing planes all together, because in the current setup every roll has already been filled.
Not everybody is in here to fly the bestest fastest most deadliestest armed aircraft... some of us get a kick out JU87 missions in Late War... OMG! Waste of resources! There's better ways to take down a field! Why would anyone fly those?!?! They're slow and defenseless!!! They must be IDIOTS! HiTech should probably take them out of the game.
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I think the PBY would be used if it could carry troops. Having the ability to land on the water outside of a base instead of trying to circle in a 47 or land somewhere else will be a big advantage for some.
However, since they weren't really used as a troop transport, it would be hard to justify that use.
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stuka was faster than the pby-5a in level flight (255mph vs 196mph)...it could also dive at a steeper angle than the pby-5a...fully loaded climb rate was close. stuka has combat versatility.
Well, the PBY can carry two American torps. Might I remind you, that's the two big 2000 lb torps we have... you get 6 or 8 PBYs, you can completely wreck a TG.
you might want to research the f5b torpedo. the ju-88 carries 2 of them and even though it's faster at sea level than the pby, they don't survive a lot of torpedo runs.
historically the pby-5a was less significant to the u.s. war effort than the dewoitine d.520 was to the french war effort...and less effective than the fairey fulmar.
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historically the pby-5a was less significant to the u.s. war effort than the dewoitine d.520 was to the french war effort...and less effective than the fairey fulmar.
That is an incorrect statement, the PBY-5 was a very important plane for US forces in the Pacific all throughout the war. To say otherwise is to belittle its contributions in the SWPA and other Pacific areas of operations where the PBY-5 was critical to the war effort. But the key thing people seem to forget about the PBY-5 was that it was most effective at night, which is what made it successful as a maritime bomber terrorizing Japanese shipping all throughout the Pacific region. In the daytime, it was basically delegated to scouting and SAR efforts and PBY units were regularly rotated between tours doing scouting/SAR and anti-shipping/interdiction/harassment bombing.
To say that the PBY was just as effective as the Fulmar just shows you really don't know diddly squat about the PBY or what it did during the war. If you would like, I could point you in the direction of some really good PBY books you can read that will show just how effective it truly was.
ack-ack
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That is an incorrect statement, the PBY-5 was a very important plane for US forces in the Pacific all throughout the war. To say otherwise is to belittle its contributions in the SWPA and other Pacific areas of operations where the PBY-5 was critical to the war effort. But the key thing people seem to forget about the PBY-5 was that it was most effective at night, which is what made it successful as a maritime bomber terrorizing Japanese shipping all throughout the Pacific region. In the daytime, it was basically delegated to scouting and SAR efforts and PBY units were regularly rotated between tours doing scouting/SAR and anti-shipping/interdiction/harassment bombing.
To say that the PBY was just as effective as the Fulmar just shows you really don't know diddly squat about the PBY or what it did during the war. If you would like, I could point you in the direction of some really good PBY books you can read that will show just how effective it truly was.
ack-ack
point all you want ack ack...sounds like you don't know much about the achievements of the fairey fulmar. the pby did not play a significant role anywhere except the pto. pt boats had just as much of an impact on operations in the pto as the pby, as did b-25s, f4us and f6fs.
some, not all of the pby crews had some outstanding achievements, but to associate those achievements with all of the squadrons who operated pby's in theater is ludicrous.
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The PBY played a significant role over both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans.
I just ran a quick count from the USN aircraft location reports for 5 SEP 44.
There were 329 PBY's deployed in combat areas in the Pacific. This is not counting planes in CASU, training, units or units that are preparing to deploy.
There were 173 PBY's deployed in combat areas in the Atlantic/Mediterranean. This is not counting planes in CASU, training, units or units that are preparing to deploy.
PBY's played a vital role providing Convoy Patrol, ASW, and SAR in many theaters, to dismiss the Atlantic and Mediterranean theaters is a disservice.
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baumer, even you should know numbers deployed and operational numbers diverged significantly depending on when/where the aircraft were deployed to combat zones. and total numbers deployed was not equal to numbers in operation.
amazing how many aircraft provided "significant roles", when it's convenient for people to say so. the most signifcant roles the pby had in the pacific theater was night time anti-shipping against poorly armed cargo/transport ships and air-sea rescue operations. the iar80 had a significant role for the romanian airforce at one point. the russians considered the mig3 to have a significant role at one point. the british thought the fairey fulmar had a significant role. you don't see a lot of people arguing to have those aircraft added for many reasons.
try looking at reality for a bit, we're talking about toonville aces high, not reality. if there was a need to "rescue" cartoon pilots then aircraft like the pby would be useful in toonville. if there was actual night time, without the ability to manipulate the gamma settings, then aircraft like the pby would be very useful, as would other aircraft that were equipped with night flying equipment. but none of that exists in toonville aces high.
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It'll be fun to take off, land, and especially destroy +1
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I think I give almost every plane in here a twirl now and then; rarely the spit or pony series, but other than that... I enjoy flying what there is to be offered here, and would love a new addition. I would also like a JU52 added. Why should we be tied down and forced to fly C47s?
If your arguement is because another plane already fills that roll, then I guess HTC should just stop developing planes all together, because in the current setup every roll has already been filled.
Not everybody is in here to fly the bestest fastest most deadliestest armed aircraft... some of us get a kick out JU87 missions in Late War... OMG! Waste of resources! There's better ways to take down a field! Why would anyone fly those?!?! They're slow and defenseless!!! They must be IDIOTS! HiTech should probably take them out of the game.
Too much emphasis on drama on your part. My thing is adding the pby is a waste of time that could better be used on adding other planes we wont use.
Semp
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I didn't say anything about it being useful in Aces High or that it should be added to "Toonville". I was just stating that it did play a significant role in more than one theater and backing that up with deployment numbers.
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Too much emphasis on drama on your part. My thing is adding the pby is a waste of time that could better be used on adding other planes we wont use.
Semp
So again it comes down to if everyone won't fly the plane, then no one will...? What praytell would be a 'usefull' expenditure of time in developing a plane that doesn't already have it's roll filled by a plane that's already in the game?
Just because you don't see everyone jumping out of the Pony and Spixteen to get into a P40 doesn't mean they aren't a very appreciated addition to the game, and it doesn't mean that people who want to fly them won't. Just because it doesn't fit well in the MA doesn't mean it wouldn't be a great addition for the other arenas... and who's to say the game couldn't develop further because of it's implementation.
One thing that could be built into it as part of the model and not require changing the game model while adding something to the game would be to have it's door open flush with the ground/water with a ramp. Then your little downed pilot could run up the ramp and sit inside and the PBY could fly it back to the base. Now when the pilot exits out of the flight, rather than being 'captured' in enemy territory, he has now "Bailed Successfully". It'll take longer, but lets say you lost a 262... you'll save some of the perks you lost by getting someone to come pick you up. This could even be translated into Scenario and FSO play... all without having to change the coding of the game.
Did you have an emotional experience with a PBY as a child, or are you just that arrogant that you will not accept any additions to the game that you yourself wouldn't use exclusively? I'm really trying to understand why you feel the way you do in regards to a great suggestion.
see the last planes that have been added that "everybody" wanted and very few people fly.
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What is it about the PBY that makes so many of us like it so much?
I'd love to own one and turn it into an RV? I can't really come up with anything else.
Turn it into an RV? Those are completely opposite planes, it's like saying turn a Tiger into a Spitfire.
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Turn it into an RV? Those are completely opposite planes, it's like saying turn a Tiger into a Spitfire.
I think he mean Recreational Vehicle... You know... beds, kitchenette... a crapper.
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I think he mean Recreational Vehicle... You know... beds, kitchenette... a crapper.
In that case I'm still confused, how are you going to turn a plane into a Bus? Especially in AH, what are you going to turn on AH before you go to bed, put the plane on the runway and pretend that your sleeping in it? :confused:
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So again it comes down to if everyone won't fly the plane, then no one will...? What praytell would be a 'usefull' expenditure of time in developing a plane that doesn't already have it's roll filled by a plane that's already in the game?
Just because you don't see everyone jumping out of the Pony and Spixteen to get into a P40 doesn't mean they aren't a very appreciated addition to the game, and it doesn't mean that people who want to fly them won't. Just because it doesn't fit well in the MA doesn't mean it wouldn't be a great addition for the other arenas... and who's to say the game couldn't develop further because of it's implementation.
One thing that could be built into it as part of the model and not require changing the game model while adding something to the game would be to have it's door open flush with the ground/water with a ramp. Then your little downed pilot could run up the ramp and sit inside and the PBY could fly it back to the base. Now when the pilot exits out of the flight, rather than being 'captured' in enemy territory, he has now "Bailed Successfully". It'll take longer, but lets say you lost a 262... you'll save some of the perks you lost by getting someone to come pick you up. This could even be translated into Scenario and FSO play... all without having to change the coding of the game.
Did you have an emotional experience with a PBY as a child, or are you just that arrogant that you will not accept any additions to the game that you yourself wouldn't use exclusively? I'm really trying to understand why you feel the way you do in regards to a great suggestion.
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what does that come from? you do realize that ah currently has no use for a pby. none zilch, nothing , nada. the thing about picking up pilots well it aint gonna happen in the near future as it has been discussed to death. only reason I am against the pby is because it has no use in ah. it cannot spawn from a port only because it only has VH hangar. if you wish to have an airplane spawn from a port perhaps you should wish for an airplane/bomber hangar first.
the pby had a good role in ww2 but no such role in ah exists now and you guys havent come up with a good use for it. as for it being used in scenarios, you really think people are going to want to sit in the tower for hours while the pby goes looking for a cv that will most likely not find since the enemy fighters most likely will kill it before it finds anything.
you guys only saying you want it because you think it would be cool but in reality it will hardly be used as it really has no significant defensive armaments and seriously you think it will survive the ack to sink a cv even if it gets close to it?
semp
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you guys only saying you want it because you think it would be cool but in reality it will hardly be used as it really has no significant defensive armaments and seriously you think it will survive the ack to sink a cv even if it gets close to it?
semp
Done right, yes. You can drop the torps from outside the CV's ack range. The problem is the 185mph speed it does at best altitude, probably more like 150ish on the deck, that would make it very, very hard to reach torpedo range without being shot down by either a fighter or somebody in the 5" guns.
The H8K2 carried two torpedoes as well. Just sayin'.
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In that case I'm still confused, how are you going to turn a plane into a Bus? Especially in AH, what are you going to turn on AH before you go to bed, put the plane on the runway and pretend that your sleeping in it? :confused:
Real life. He's talking about real life. He likes the idea of taking a real world PBY and converting it into a recreational vehicle (RV) to live in.
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Since when has anyone successfully sunk a carrier with torpedoes? Not counting Ju-88 missions with 30 joiners and a CV a few miles off shore.
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Since when has anyone successfully sunk a carrier with torpedoes? Not counting Ju-88 missions with 30 joiners and a CV a few miles off shore.
I've seen it done, but not by me. Best I did was sink the cruiser using a formation of Ki-67s. Hitting with the torps is hard.
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It's easier if you use 30
http://www.youtube.com/user/devilsVtards?ob=5#p/u/8/hgtV-hZ-ZFo
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Since when has anyone successfully sunk a carrier with torpedoes? Not counting Ju-88 missions with 30 joiners and a CV a few miles off shore.
its easy to actually torp a cv its all about approach and timing and staying low.
but one thing the pby would add to torping is the fact it is slow..
currently if you want to torp a cv...you have to slow down in order to drop the torp(which means no descending) even a b5n2 has to slow down when on the deck to drop if you try to drop with 88s or g4s or b5s or tbms or 67s you all face the same problem all the planes go as fast if not faster then the max torp drop speed required which means slowing down anywhere from 50-100mph(in some cases) in about 300 yards before dropping is it easy to slow down... yes...but you are slowing down which if a gun is trained on you when you slow down... your pretty much dead of course the ju88 makes this easy with dive flaps..however all planes still require you to be low alt before dropping easy enough... but the problem comes with clearing the CV and the bridge of the cv..and yes ppl have actually ran into it...allot.....me included but the collision isn't the real killer its the pulling up over all those ships...and getting blasted with the some 140?'ish AK guns
pby doing 150-189 means you could actually approach on a decent which increases survivability massively(as your not sitting level with guns or pulling up over the AK) given the fact us torps are 250mph you could go in a decent of roughly 1000FPM on your final line up and accelerate drop the torp and possibly make it out
@guncrasher
as for defensive guns they are not that important but they would still be better then about 6 bombers but eitherway if a b5n2 can survive a cv's AK and shoot down a zero on its way to rtb i think a pby will be just fine......
as for the whole upping from port idea(im game for it do to fact ports are to easy to take..) and you wouldn't really need a hangar they could dock....but don't you think if they added the pby and added it to ports that they would add the hangar......just sayin
and if you don't think a b5n can do it il gladly go record it for you(In fact i think i already have one)
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Real life. He's talking about real life. He likes the idea of taking a real world PBY and converting it into a recreational vehicle (RV) to live in.
Got it.
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I sunk a Carrier and Cruiser with a PT boat here the other day using Torps, and managed to get out of there undamaged. Unfortunately, I still can't figure out how you land a PT boat. But if a PT boat can do it, I think a PBY would probably have a bit better chance... plus I bet you could actually land those.
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I sunk a Carrier and Cruiser with a PT boat here the other day using Torps, and managed to get out of there undamaged. Unfortunately, I still can't figure out how you land a PT boat. But if a PT boat can do it, I think a PBY would probably have a bit better chance... plus I bet you could actually land those.
pt boat like all other GV's has to stop moving and be 3-6k? away from any hostiles(includes gun sitters) but given the fact its a boat you have to kill the engine and drift for about 4 min to "fully" stop
note shooting guns on the pt boat cause it to drift/move
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+1 only if it could carry troops to capture bases. faster than lvts :bolt:
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I sunk a Carrier and Cruiser with a PT boat here the other day using Torps, and managed to get out of there undamaged. Unfortunately, I still can't figure out how you land a PT boat. But if a PT boat can do it, I think a PBY would probably have a bit better chance... plus I bet you could actually land those.
well a few men landed on the moon, if they can do it then anybody can :D.
semp