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Title: Yak 3
Post by: 321BAR on November 18, 2011, 12:59:38 PM
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Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 18, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
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+1
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 18, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
+1
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: mbailey on November 18, 2011, 01:22:46 PM
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Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: FireDrgn on November 19, 2011, 12:27:35 AM
 :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Volron on November 19, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
No...


Unless it comes with a Pe-2. :D
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 01:20:17 AM
Panzer III
M3 Stuart
BT-7
StuG III
Archer
Crusader
SdKfz 251/22
Cromwell
Hetzer

Just sayin' .....
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 19, 2011, 01:23:35 AM


BT-7

Archer

SdKfz 251/22
Cromwell
Hetzer

Just sayin' .....
those can wait...
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 01:33:22 AM
More needed than the damn Yak-3. Its almost identicle in preformance to the Yak-9, which I think most don't understand.

It will have the same limitations as far as weapons and ammo, but you'll just trade in a bit of top end speed for a bit of climb rate and maybe a bit tighter turn. Thats it, it won't really offer anything else over the Yak-9, and not much of those two benefits either.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 01:42:43 AM
More needed than the damn Yak-3. Its almost identicle in preformance to the Yak-9, which I think most don't understand.

It will have the same limitations as far as weapons and ammo, but you'll just trade in a bit of top end speed for a bit of climb rate and maybe a bit tighter turn. Thats it, it won't really offer anything else over the Yak-9, and not much of those two benefits either.

So does a Spitfire, yet we have a yak-9.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Krusty on November 19, 2011, 01:49:11 AM
2 comes before 3.


So we need the (Pe-/Tu-/SB-)2 before we get a (MiG-/LaGG-/Yak-)3...

It's linear that way!
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 01:49:19 AM
Yeah, but this is like asking for the Spitfire mk.9 LF, which would be identicle (and I mean IDENTICLE) to the sptifire Mk 16.


Quite frankly, theres no way you can twist it to make the Yak-3 more of a priority than any tank I just listed without one HELL of a lot of scotch.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 19, 2011, 01:53:27 AM
Quite frankly, theres no way you can twist it to make the Yak-3 more of a priority than any tank I just listed without one HELL of a lot of scotch.
what do you know about scotch, let alone any other type of alcohol?
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tyrannis on November 19, 2011, 01:54:24 AM
what do you know about scotch, let alone any other type of alcohol?
lol. what do you know? mr 14 yr old.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 02:02:03 AM
what do you know about scotch, let alone any other type of alcohol?

lol. what do you know? mr 14 yr old.  :rolleyes:

Lol, thats got to be the wierdest thread de-rail I've ever seen so far  :rofl.


Anywho...... no, I don't know anything about alcohol, since its illegal for a 17yo to be drinking   :angel:. That being said.....  nevermind, not gonna say it.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 19, 2011, 02:06:17 AM
lol. what do you know? mr 14 yr old.  :rolleyes:
and what exactly do you know mr "im 19"? :rolleyes:

legal drinking age is 21.



anyways...to get to get it back on topic, YAK-3!!!!!! :banana:
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:19:00 AM
Yeah, but this is like asking for the Spitfire mk.9 LF, which would be identicle (and I mean IDENTICLE) to the sptifire Mk 16.


Quite frankly, theres no way you can twist it to make the Yak-3 more of a priority than any tank I just listed without one HELL of a lot of scotch.

The Spitfire you mentioned are literally one airplane, Yak 3 & 9 are different.

Yak-3 is ~500lb lighter, it has 400hp less, it's range is half Yak-9's, and it's ~20kts slower. Don't know about you but I think those are pretty significant differences.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:22:44 AM
Regarding the scotch. A whole bunch of kids that are too young to drink are arguing who knows more about alcohol, in a thread that is asking for a Yak-3  :headscratch:.

Let's try to get back on topic.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 19, 2011, 02:29:01 AM
Regarding the scotch. A whole bunch of kids that are too young to drink are arguing who knows more about alcohol, in a thread that is asking for a Yak-3  :headscratch:.

Let's try to get back on topic.
aargh...you got it back on topic, derailed it then got it back on topic again.

now its off topic...


































































YAK-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: i just want to know why the 410 got in over this plane...that was ape crap...
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tyrannis on November 19, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
and what exactly do you know mr "im 19"? :rolleyes:

legal drinking age is 21.



anyways...to get to get it back on topic, YAK-3!!!!!! :banana:
difference: Im an adult who's atleast over 18, Im alot closer to the legal drinking age than you. and i don't even drink that much.

idc if your a redneck/hic/w.e you consider yourself, but 14 is way to young to be drinking any type of alcohol, let alone heavy alcohol.


Anyways, Anyone got a good link to read up on the yak 3? i know nothing about this A/C other than its russian. :salute
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:41:23 AM
stuff

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W4VuQL71E0o/TbOXxit4SzI/AAAAAAAAAAw/xQTYvEpgkz8/s1600/jesus-facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: skorpion on November 19, 2011, 02:43:47 AM
difference: Im an adult who's atleast over 18, Im alot closer to the legal drinking age than you. and i don't even drink that much.

idc if your a redneck/hic/w.e you consider yourself, but 14 is way to young to be drinking any type of alcohol, let alone heavy alcohol.


Anyways, Anyone got a good link to read up on the yak 3? i know nothing about this A/C other than its russian. :salute
age-nothing to do with the legal limit, but in wisconsin, i did my research, and the parents/legal guardian can give their child any type of alcohol, and id like to know why you being closer to the legal limit had anything to do with you being more educated on it.




back on topic.

Yak-3. its a yak. and delicious. we need it.
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/YAK3.jpg)
Someone top that pic.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:44:14 AM
Anyways, Anyone got a good link to read up on the yak 3? i know nothing about this A/C other than its russian. :salute

There you go:

http://www.wio.ru/tacftr/yak.htm (http://www.wio.ru/tacftr/yak.htm)

http://www.vectorsite.net/avyak1.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avyak1.html)


This is a manual for it: http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andrey_Platonov/Yak-3/PilotManual/index.htm (http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andrey_Platonov/Yak-3/PilotManual/index.htm), but it's in Russian, your going to have to find a way to translate it.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: BERN1 on November 19, 2011, 02:44:56 AM
heavy alcohol??? I have never had this heavu alcohol is it more expensive??
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:47:55 AM
Please stay on topic.

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Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: 321BAR on November 19, 2011, 07:54:53 AM
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Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: DMVIAGRA on November 19, 2011, 08:05:00 AM
Vodka
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: matt on November 19, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
F18  :furious
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: caldera on November 19, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
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difference: Im an adult who's atleast over 18, Im alot closer to the legal drinking age than you. and i don't even drink that much.

Ummmm, ok.  Your inner monologue apparently malfunctioned right there. 
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: titan312 on November 19, 2011, 09:42:53 AM
Bring on the Yak-3! :aok
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: IrishOne on November 19, 2011, 12:25:53 PM
are there any threads on this BBS where skorpion and Tyrannis don't wind up bickering like highschool girls?!   jeeeezus turn the record over already  :rolleyes:


to the O.P. bring on the Yak-3!!   i voted for it the whole way through and am all for ANYTHING soviet being added to the lineup :aok
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Mach-fly, the less hp is saying basically the same thing as less speed.

Main differences:

Reduced top speed
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)
Reduced range (not usually an issue)


Like I said, you trade performance in one area for performance in another, but neither of the changes will really give it a big advantage or handicap in a fight, much like the Yak-9.

Personally, I think that the biggest difference might come in the form of handling characteristics. Might be a bit harsher than the Yak-9, might be more lenient, might be almost the same, I don't know.


But the fact remains that the yak-3 is in no way 'needed', or even very high on the priority list (based on potential uses) for MAs OR special events. However, or EW and MW GV setup is pathetic and lacking, respectivly.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MAINER on November 19, 2011, 01:06:42 PM
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Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)

How do you know that?
If you have the numbers somewhere please let me know what they are. If your saying that just because of the hp & weight than it might not be accurate, the shape of the wing will also be a factor.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:12:51 PM
-1

Why?
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: 321BAR on November 19, 2011, 02:55:40 PM
Mach-fly, the less hp is saying basically the same thing as less speed.

Main differences:

Reduced top speed
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)
Reduced range (not usually an issue)


Like I said, you trade performance in one area for performance in another, but neither of the changes will really give it a big advantage or handicap in a fight, much like the Yak-9.

Personally, I think that the biggest difference might come in the form of handling characteristics. Might be a bit harsher than the Yak-9, might be more lenient, might be almost the same, I don't know.


But the fact remains that the yak-3 is in no way 'needed', or even very high on the priority list (based on potential uses) for MAs OR special events. However, or EW and MW GV setup is pathetic and lacking, respectivly.
jager... anything Russian is needed... and the yak 3's weight will be its major benefit. it would be everything the yak 9 is and also more maneuverable
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: TwinBoom on November 19, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
u got ur wish move along now :D
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
u got ur wish move along now :D

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 06:53:43 PM
How do you know that?
If you have the numbers somewhere please let me know what they are. If your saying that just because of the hp & weight than it might not be accurate, the shape of the wing will also be a factor.
Read the wiki article on it (yeah, I know, its wikipedia), and I've seen others talking about it.

I say possibly acceleration because of the aerodynamics, which I know nothing about.


No, it would be slower, have less range (although this is admitedly less of a handicap), but climb better, and be a bit more manuverable. You don't gain anything over the Yak-9 without also losing something.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Read the wiki article on it (yeah, I know, its wikipedia), and I've seen others talking about it.

I say possibly acceleration because of the aerodynamics, which I know nothing about.


No, it would be slower, have less range (although this is admitedly less of a handicap), but climb better, and be a bit more manuverable. You don't gain anything over the Yak-9 without also losing something.

Roger.

I never said that Yak-3 is better than Ya-9, I said they are different.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 07:21:20 PM
That last part was to BAR, should have made that clear.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
That last part was to BAR, should have made that clear.

Roger
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: icepac on November 19, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
Doesn't the yak3 outclimb the yak9?
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tilt on November 20, 2011, 08:22:08 AM
Doesn't the yak3 outclimb the yak9?


Time to 5000m

Yak3 prototype (yak1m dooblyor )4.1mins
Yak3 production 4.5 mins

Yak9u prototype 4.1 mins
Yak9u production 5.1 mins

By comparison an La7 using WEP best fully laden climb to 5000m is approx 4.8 / 4.9 mins. The Yak3 like the La7 achieves this thru it's initial acceleration and low altitude performance. Where as the Yak9u. Will have better acceleration , climb and performance above 2500/3000m.

Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Karnak on November 20, 2011, 08:30:20 AM

Time to 5000m

Yak3 prototype (yak1m dooblyor )4.1mins
Yak3 production 4.5 mins

Yak9u prototype 4.1 mins
Yak9u production 5.1 mins

By comparison an La7 using WEP best fully laden climb to 5000m is approx 4.8 / 4.9 mins. The Yak3 like the La7 achieves this thru it's initial acceleration and low altitude performance. Where as the Yak9u. Will have better acceleration , climb and performance above 2500/3000m.


Is that a Yaj-3 with a VK-105 or VK-107 engine?  If it is the VK-107 engine it is irrelevant as they didn't get them during the war.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tilt on November 20, 2011, 08:57:47 AM
Vk105pf2

the Vk107 equipped Yak3 purportedly achieved 5000m in 3.9 minutes. (same source)
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: BoilerDown on November 20, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
Hard alcohol diluted in heavy water = heavy alcohol.  Duh.  Iran?  Not secretly in the nuclear business, its in the distillery business.

Yak 3!  But I'll admit the only reason I voted for it was to get my Yak-9 a re-model.  Half the range of a Yak-9?  That's pretty f - ing bad, as I normally take 75% or 100% fuel in a Yak-9 right now.  Half the range would be very limiting.  I hope that's not accurate.

Edit for you can't say "f - i n g".
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: 321BAR on November 20, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
Hard alcohol diluted in heavy water = heavy alcohol.  Duh.  Iran?  Not secretly in the nuclear business, its in the distillery business.
all i gotta say is Jameson's over anything
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: IrishOne on November 20, 2011, 09:52:15 PM
all i gotta say is Jameson's over anything

 :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers:
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: DrBone1 on November 21, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
Meteor   :noid      :D
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 21, 2011, 12:15:29 AM
G.55  :noid
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: 321BAR on November 21, 2011, 06:22:17 PM
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers:
:aok
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: titan312 on November 22, 2011, 12:02:27 PM

Yak 3!  But I'll admit the only reason I voted for it was to get my Yak-9 a re-model.  Half the range of a Yak-9?  That's pretty f - ing bad, as I normally take 75% or 100% fuel in a Yak-9 right now.  Half the range would be very limiting.  I hope that's not accurate.


The Yak-3 had roughly 12% less range than the Yak-9U.  550km vs. 675km, respectively.  And, "Yes."  This is the 105 motor in the Yak-3 vs. the 107 motor in the Yak-9U.

To give a comparison, the La-7 had a range of 570km.  The Yak-3 could stay up roughly as long as our in-game La-7s.  Possibly longer, considering that the La-7 burns more fuel when WEP is engaged, under combat conditions.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Slade on November 22, 2011, 02:49:10 PM
Yak-3  +1

I don't mind if it has less range than the Yak-9.  I have no issue throttling back a bit to save fuel if using it for an extended sortie.  If I show up on your 6 you better believe I'll have ample fuel to finish what I start.  :lol
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: titan312 on November 25, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
Me either.  Climb like a rocket and set throttle to max cruise.  Man......I'd really like to have this plane.
Title: Re: Yak 3
Post by: Butcher on November 25, 2011, 06:56:25 PM
Yak-3  +1

I don't mind if it has less range than the Yak-9.  I have no issue throttling back a bit to save fuel if using it for an extended sortie.  If I show up on your 6 you better believe I'll have ample fuel to finish what I start.  :lol

Honestly the best way to approach an aircraft with this kinda of fuel issue is to climb at least to 10k then throttle back, i'm getting more used to doing this in a C205 rather then "full speed ahead" approach like a P51D or such.

Granted the Yak doesn't suffer from a WEP issue, C205 has a nasty wep where 10 minutes can burn through fuel in no time.