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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on November 19, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
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That a big part of my old gameplay was missing. I really miss being able to drive a GV half a sector to lay waste to a factory and to dodge the planes that tried to hit me along the way or at the factory once they knew I was there.
I also rarely fly bombers anymore. I used to regularily take runs at the strats. Ditto for attack planes. I simply have no desire to go flatten fields. Fields are supposed to spawn fights. Factories interspersed among the map also produced fights of a different nature. Those fights are gone.
I'd go as far as to say the current remote strat system actually encourages horde-play. There's simply less options for the lesser skilled to get into and make a difference in the war effort.
Please please please HT, bring back the old strat system. 3/5 of my game went away not counting the reduced buff and GV hunting options. Flying fighters and driving GV's is fun but a few more options would be much much better.
Otherwise... :uhoh I'm leaving. ;)
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I really miss the old zone bases and zone strat system. It added some amount of tactics to the game asside from horde flatten rinse repeat.
You needed to understand the dynamics, albiet very limited ones, of how convoys were dispatched, and how timers in areas were affected by local supplies being brought down. It was already difficult then for it to have a huge effect, unless you bombed 100% of the production capacity. Taking a zone base however had a huge disruption on supplies.
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i was not here when they had the old strat system but i have heard great things about it. +1
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Bring back the old strat system! :old:
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All pipe dreams.
One person would attack the strats and take them down all by themselves. One or two people would shoot them down.
Essentially it was something close to blow up.
wrongway
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+1 :rock....and whatever happened to trains?
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I hear ya BE! I feel the same.
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I realized last night that it was actually a Bald Eagle I was looking at, not some weird flying crow. :aok
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old strats had an effect on nme factories, nowadays it dont, or not as much. today u have to fly 1 hour to 2 hrs to get a good bomb run on it plus u have to be ina big ol horde to possibly make it back alive. BIG plus one need them back. imagine takin down a nme strat w a king tiger n a couple whirbys defending :O on the old strat system.
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:salute was or is there a reason for the change from the old strats to the new strats? just curious.
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what we have now is the 3rd version of strats since i've been playing. i can recollect some of the challenges with the zone system. the strats in 2002, almost can't recall clearly. oops, i think it's coming back . . . just recalling hitting grunt training to 0% with squaddies. and trying to get the city to 0% but coming up short.
you know, these things are "systems." they are interrelated -- have causal relationships which in turn can affect the game's outcome. And not just reset either. it was one of the features i liked best about AH back in 2002 to about 2004 if i'm recollecting correctly.
if the boards were any measure of player opinion, many hated that old strat system. and i think each revision was met by players with loud applause.
when i saw the bring back the old strats posts (have there been 2 over the past bit), i thought it curious.
the strats are still there, they still can be bombed. guess, i'll have to read more threads. oh joy ;)
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old strats had an effect on nme factories, nowadays it dont, or not as much. today u have to fly 1 hour to 2 hrs to get a good bomb run on it plus u have to be ina big ol horde to possibly make it back alive. BIG plus one need them back. imagine takin down a nme strat w a king tiger n a couple whirbys defending :O on the old strat system.
ty greens, i had forgotten, and now recall. since i started, i've always been a toolshedding warwinner. still am. but before y'all get all excited about the old system consider these things: the airfield, vbase, port elements of troops/supplies, ord, radar, and fuel (this one doesn't much count anymore because it can only be porked to 75% when it used to be able to be porked to 25% (ah, those were the days :)).
There's the furballing good fight side to the equation. Then there's the mega horders. How would such changes affect them? Then there's HTC's success as a business. Happy customers and lots and lots of them is the name of the game.
I guess my point is there is more to any change than the stuff that would suit me best. Which of course is a bummer.
But my heart and soul is with bald eagle.
An odd game have we: it's really games within a game.
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+1 :rock....and whatever happened to trains?
Trains supply the strats. When they were separate, each one had a supply train. Now that the strats are grouped together in the mega-city, only one train is used - with an enlarged resupply area to cover all the strats with that one train.
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Trains and sheep.
I miss you :cry
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+1 anything old or new we need to get more players to the game.
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Trains supply the strats. When they were separate, each one had a supply train. Now that the strats are grouped together in the mega-city, only one train is used - with an enlarged resupply area to cover all the strats with that one train.
I believe much like convoys they have to be built into the terrain painstakingly by the map builder. I don't think they're only gone because we moved to the megastrat (I suspect you could find ways to place them, maybe resupply airfields with them? Something), but that they are very demanding to get perfect.
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It's actually quite easy to place the "roads" and make them either train tracks or convoy roads. It's just that historically (game-wise) truck convoys (and barges on water) supplied fields and trains supplied strats. I'm not sure if HTC won't allow trains to supply fields, or the map-makers just don't use them.
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Trains supply the strats. When they were separate, each one had a supply train. Now that the strats are grouped together in the mega-city, only one train is used - with an enlarged resupply area to cover all the strats with that one train.
This is not correct, each factory still has it's own train just like they always have.
HiTech
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Hmmm...
Thanks for the clarification; good to know. I could have sworn I saw something along the lines of what I said.
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It isn't that the old strat system was any better or worse than the new system, the big factor is that under the old system there were targets to hit that were not heavily defended and gave an opportunity for a neutral ground engagement to happen. Under the new system, nothing but high bombers have a chance to hit the strats and more importantly the majority of the combat happens over an airfield or vbase which in turns encourages camping and vulching and hordes.
I think HTC needs to come up with a system in which to encourage combat out and away from the fields. Give the players a target to fight over. Sure, we have tank town on Trinity and a few other maps but there is nothing to gain per say from meeting there in the eyes of the score monkeys, base rollers, or "name in lights" guys.
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That a big part of my old gameplay was missing. I really miss being able to drive a GV half a sector to lay waste to a factory and to dodge the planes that tried to hit me along the way or at the factory once they knew I was there.
I also rarely fly bombers anymore. I used to regularily take runs at the strats. Ditto for attack planes. I simply have no desire to go flatten fields. Fields are supposed to spawn fights. Factories interspersed among the map also produced fights of a different nature. Those fights are gone.
I'd go as far as to say the current remote strat system actually encourages horde-play. There's simply less options for the lesser skilled to get into and make a difference in the war effort.
Please please please HT, bring back the old strat system. 3/5 of my game went away not counting the reduced buff and GV hunting options. Flying fighters and driving GV's is fun but a few more options would be much much better.
Otherwise... :uhoh I'm leaving. ;)
The strats effect on gameplay may not be enough to get folks to bomb it. How about doubling the bomber points for hitting strats as a way of encouraging folks to pork the strats instead of the fields?
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Bring back the old strat system! :old:
That and change the time limit to change country's back like it was . Having to wait 12 hour's to change country's is hog wash .
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I dont want to completly go back to the old strat system. BUT. I think there should be forward Depots that get supplied from the main factories to the front line. Then trains could bring that from the factories to the depots. Then convoys to the fields from the depots. IMHO. Also Shipping would be awesome too when we get subs. ;)
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This is not correct, each factory still has it's own train just like they always have.
HiTech
So, there have been alot of threads asking for something like the old strat system. Now would be a good time for some imput. Is it a pipe dream as some have stated or would you consider a change to the current system?
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That and change the time limit to change country's back like it was . Having to wait 12 hour's to change country's is hog wash .
Here here :aok
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Well I liked the old strat system and miss it. You can't spawn into a strat in a GV now.
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I dont want to completly go back to the old strat system. BUT. I think there should be forward Depots that get supplied from the main factories to the front line. Then trains could bring that from the factories to the depots. Then convoys to the fields from the depots. IMHO. Also Shipping would be awesome too when we get subs. ;)
Put the forward factories or depots closer to the field and town have trains running through the town and to the depots and everything from bombing strats to field captures and GV fights suddenly becomes much more interesting.
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That a big part of my old gameplay was missing. I really miss being able to drive a GV half a sector to lay waste to a factory and to dodge the planes that tried to hit me along the way or at the factory once they knew I was there.
I also rarely fly bombers anymore. I used to regularily take runs at the strats. Ditto for attack planes. I simply have no desire to go flatten fields. Fields are supposed to spawn fights. Factories interspersed among the map also produced fights of a different nature. Those fights are gone.
I'd go as far as to say the current remote strat system actually encourages horde-play. There's simply less options for the lesser skilled to get into and make a difference in the war effort.
Please please please HT, bring back the old strat system. 3/5 of my game went away not counting the reduced buff and GV hunting options. Flying fighters and driving GV's is fun but a few more options would be much much better.
Otherwise... :uhoh I'm leaving. ;)
I miss laying waste to a fuel depot
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I routinely drive tanks 2 sectors to hit enemy fields or cities as well as drive PT boats all the way up a river to deliver damage to the enemy HQ.
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yes in 02-06 was the prime fun days before things changed too much in the game. new planes gvs are great, but changing where strats are and impacting how an nme can have a impact onn the factories is now limited to nil now. <S> fer understanding, yah old strats woul dbring back crybabies who get bomb****ed but it would be all their choice.
ty greens, i had forgotten, and now recall. since i started, i've always been a toolshedding warwinner. still am. but before y'all get all excited about the old system consider these things: the airfield, vbase, port elements of troops/supplies, ord, radar, and fuel (this one doesn't much count anymore because it can only be porked to 75% when it used to be able to be porked to 25% (ah, those were the days :)).
There's the furballing good fight side to the equation. Then there's the mega horders. How would such changes affect them? Then there's HTC's success as a business. Happy customers and lots and lots of them is the name of the game.
I guess my point is there is more to any change than the stuff that would suit me best. Which of course is a bummer.
But my heart and soul is with bald eagle.
An odd game have we: it's really games within a game.
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Whatever happened to the players capturing bases in a direct path to the strats.
It's really not that hard to capture bases in a direct line until you have a tank spawn within 1/2 a sector or........drive a cv right up to the strats and just swarm the place.
It's a lot more fun than suiciding the same cv to the same small airfield over and over.